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Date: 28 Feb 2007 22:36:27
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
Browsing the coffee/tea aisle at Costco turned up bags of 100% Kona from
Parry Farms (Gold Coffee Company), $23 for 40oz. Seemed like a good price so
I picked up a bag. It's a Full City++ & it smells great. I cleaned out the
Mazzer & poured in the Kona and ground enough for my Silex vac pot. It makes
a very good, clean tasting, cup of coffee, as good as any other Kona I've
ever tasted (and a whole lot better than the Jam Blue Mtn my neighbor raves
about).

I don't normally buy preroasted (goes flat too fast) or Kona (too pricey for
this country boy), but my church is having a fund raising bazaar & I've been
asked to provide the coffee (at my expense of course, the pastor knows I
love to show off my coffee skills). Normally I'd buy the Ruta Maya coffee
that Costco stocks (if you buy preroasted I highly recommend these folks in
Austin, TX @ www.rutamaya.net), but they normally only have the Kona blend
so I thought I'd give this normally hard to find coffee a try.
--
Robert (100% of anything is usually a good thing!) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/psfob
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r






 
Date: 01 Mar 2007 06:12:38
From:
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:36:27 GMT, "Robert Harmon"
<r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote:

>Browsing the coffee/tea aisle at Costco turned up bags of 100% Kona from
>Parry Farms (Gold Coffee Company), $23 for 40oz. Seemed like a good price so
>I picked up a bag. It's a Full City++ & it smells great. I cleaned out the
>Mazzer & poured in the Kona and ground enough for my Silex vac pot. It makes
>a very good, clean tasting, cup of coffee, as good as any other Kona I've
>ever tasted (and a whole lot better than the Jam Blue Mtn my neighbor raves
>about).
>
>I don't normally buy preroasted (goes flat too fast) or Kona (too pricey for
>this country boy), but my church is having a fund raising bazaar & I've been
>asked to provide the coffee (at my expense of course, the pastor knows I
>love to show off my coffee skills). Normally I'd buy the Ruta Maya coffee
>that Costco stocks (if you buy preroasted I highly recommend these folks in
>Austin, TX @ www.rutamaya.net), but they normally only have the Kona blend
>so I thought I'd give this normally hard to find coffee a try.

Checked out their site. First of all, if their farm was 791 acres,
that would represent 26% of the total acerage in Kona. It would be a
humongous farm. Secondly, the price per pound works out to $9 roasted
and sent all the way to Florida from here over 5000 miles? Somehow it
doesn't all add up. Even if they were using XXX ( the lowest kind of
Kona but it must be called Hawaii XXX), it just doesn't calculate out.
Going to ask some other sources.

And btw, your neighbor's JBM could be a 10% blend that is sold by the
nation's largest retailer. Read the fine print. All JBM is not the
same.

aloha,
Cea


  
Date: 01 Mar 2007 17:31:38
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
Howdy Cea!
Why is it that you seem SO negative & threatened by anything but the
boutique Kona farms? Don't rush to denigrate the efforts of someone willing
to invest in the product you're so rightfully proud of. Kona is a geographic
label applied to a coffee grown in your specific region. Maybe what you &
the other Kona planters need to lobby for is micro climate status for their
particular farms.

Napa Valley produces grapes from tiny, postage stamp sized vineyards as well
as grapes grown on huge vineyards of hundreds of acres. The only way for the
true ripple fanatic to tell one from the other is by brand & specific
local.--
Robert (Some folks will never see anything but a half empty glass!) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/psfob
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r

<beans@smithfarms.com > wrote in message
news:vcudu2danfc9nd3pr6s0f55jjr1k2gii05@4ax.com...
> Checked out their site. First of all, if their farm was 791 acres,
> that would represent 26% of the total acerage in Kona. It would be a
> humongous farm. Secondly, the price per pound works out to $9 roasted
> and sent all the way to Florida from here over 5000 miles? Somehow it
> doesn't all add up. Even if they were using XXX ( the lowest kind of
> Kona but it must be called Hawaii XXX), it just doesn't calculate out.
> Going to ask some other sources.
>
> And btw, your neighbor's JBM could be a 10% blend that is sold by the
> nation's largest retailer. Read the fine print. All JBM is not the
> same.
>
> aloha,
> Cea




   
Date: 01 Mar 2007 20:43:11
From: Espressopithecus (Java Man)
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
In article <_5EFh.7950$Jl.136@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com says...
> Why is it that you seem SO negative & threatened by anything but the
> boutique Kona farms?
>
Experience?

Rick


  
Date: 01 Mar 2007 12:06:11
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
See this article:

http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2001/04/23/story4.html

They really have acquired 800 acres on long term lease from Kamehameha
Schools. About 300 acres is preserve and 500 is supposed to be put in coffee
EVENTUALLY, which will indeed be a very significant chunk of the total Kona
crop. They are "thinking big". I don't know how many are actually planted
as of this date - I suspect far less than the full 500. If you read the
website closely they claim they will have 40% of the crop when they reach
"full production" which might mean decades from now or never. As of 2001
when the article was written they had planted 60 which is still a
significant size for a Kona farm. As for the price, I guess there are
economies of scale when you are fully integrated and own the whole supply
chain. They are labeling the coffee " Kona Fancy" which I assume is a
grade - I'm not familiar with the Kona grading system.

AFAIK, they are a legitimate company and not crooks. Again they are
operating on a much bigger scale than the usual Kona farmer. I don't know
whether they are taking any "short cuts" but their profile is high enough
that I don't think they could get away with outright fraud.


<beans@smithfarms.com > wrote in message
news:vcudu2danfc9nd3pr6s0f55jjr1k2gii05@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:36:27 GMT, "Robert Harmon"
> <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Browsing the coffee/tea aisle at Costco turned up bags of 100% Kona from
>>Parry Farms (Gold Coffee Company), $23 for 40oz. Seemed like a good price
>>so
>>I picked up a bag. It's a Full City++ & it smells great. I cleaned out the
>>Mazzer & poured in the Kona and ground enough for my Silex vac pot. It
>>makes
>>a very good, clean tasting, cup of coffee, as good as any other Kona I've
>>ever tasted (and a whole lot better than the Jam Blue Mtn my neighbor
>>raves
>>about).
>>
>>I don't normally buy preroasted (goes flat too fast) or Kona (too pricey
>>for
>>this country boy), but my church is having a fund raising bazaar & I've
>>been
>>asked to provide the coffee (at my expense of course, the pastor knows I
>>love to show off my coffee skills). Normally I'd buy the Ruta Maya coffee
>>that Costco stocks (if you buy preroasted I highly recommend these folks
>>in
>>Austin, TX @ www.rutamaya.net), but they normally only have the Kona blend
>>so I thought I'd give this normally hard to find coffee a try.
>
> Checked out their site. First of all, if their farm was 791 acres,
> that would represent 26% of the total acerage in Kona. It would be a
> humongous farm. Secondly, the price per pound works out to $9 roasted
> and sent all the way to Florida from here over 5000 miles? Somehow it
> doesn't all add up. Even if they were using XXX ( the lowest kind of
> Kona but it must be called Hawaii XXX), it just doesn't calculate out.
> Going to ask some other sources.
>
> And btw, your neighbor's JBM could be a 10% blend that is sold by the
> nation's largest retailer. Read the fine print. All JBM is not the
> same.
>
> aloha,
> Cea




   
Date: 03 Mar 2007 08:56:22
From: Lavarock
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
Jack Denver wrote:
> See this article:
>
> http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2001/04/23/story4.html
>
> They really have acquired 800 acres on long term lease from Kamehameha
> Schools. About 300 acres is preserve and 500 is supposed to be put in coffee

A real estate guy I know is familiar with the land and said that a lot
of it is not able to support coffee. I seem to remember that there is
300 acres of park land up there included in the parcel.

I fought with a seller on Ebay who sold a version of Kona Gold which was
a blend but not advertised as such. They were from the same town as
where the coffee was roasted and sold a lot of it. I also had Ebay go
after people selling the blend as 100%. So it seems like it is an easy
coffee to pass off.


--

They said that someone has to live in Hawaii and I raised my hand first!


    
Date: 03 Mar 2007 14:46:02
From:
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
On Sat, 03 2007 08:56:22 GMT, Lavarock
<lavarock1@myhawaiiansite.com > wrote:

>Jack Denver wrote:
>> See this article:
>>
>> http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2001/04/23/story4.html
>>
>> They really have acquired 800 acres on long term lease from Kamehameha
>> Schools. About 300 acres is preserve and 500 is supposed to be put in coffee
>
>A real estate guy I know is familiar with the land and said that a lot
>of it is not able to support coffee. I seem to remember that there is
>300 acres of park land up there included in the parcel.
>
>I fought with a seller on Ebay who sold a version of Kona Gold which was
>a blend but not advertised as such. They were from the same town as
>where the coffee was roasted and sold a lot of it. I also had Ebay go
>after people selling the blend as 100%. So it seems like it is an easy
>coffee to pass off.

Thanks k. I remember seeing a package of Kona Gold - a friend sent
the empty package from MD and it did appear to look like Kona until
one read all over the bag and on the back in teeny tiny print, it said
"Arabica beans"- IIRC.

Rainy season has begun:)- 1.78 inches last 24 hours.

aloha,
Cea


   
Date: 01 Mar 2007 09:32:57
From:
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
On Thu, 1 2007 12:06:11 -0500, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>See this article:
>
>http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2001/04/23/story4.html
>
>They really have acquired 800 acres on long term lease from Kamehameha
>Schools. About 300 acres is preserve and 500 is supposed to be put in coffee
>EVENTUALLY, which will indeed be a very significant chunk of the total Kona
>crop. They are "thinking big". I don't know how many are actually planted
>as of this date - I suspect far less than the full 500. If you read the
>website closely they claim they will have 40% of the crop when they reach
>"full production" which might mean decades from now or never. As of 2001
>when the article was written they had planted 60 which is still a
>significant size for a Kona farm. As for the price, I guess there are
>economies of scale when you are fully integrated and own the whole supply
>chain. They are labeling the coffee " Kona Fancy" which I assume is a
>grade - I'm not familiar with the Kona grading system.
>
>AFAIK, they are a legitimate company and not crooks. Again they are
>operating on a much bigger scale than the usual Kona farmer. I don't know
>whether they are taking any "short cuts" but their profile is high enough
>that I don't think they could get away with outright fraud.
>
>
>
Thanks Jack. Yes, Kona Fancy is one grade--- Here's the Hawaii Dept
of Ag rules:
*Kona Extra Fancy= is the largest bean size, 19/64ths of an inch, with
the least allowed number of defects allowed --less than 10 defects per
pound.

*Kona Fancy = 18/64" and 16 or less defects per pound

*Kona No. 1 =16/64" and 20 or less defects per pound

*Kona Prime = Beans of any size, 15% defective beans by weight
and
*Hawaii XXX is the lowest and can not be called Kona.

In Kona right now, parchment is going for $9/lb and one loses about
20% in weight to get to green.

All Kona Fancy, huh? He probably isn't being fraudulent, but something
still seems odd.

aloha,
Cea


    
Date: 01 Mar 2007 16:10:55
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
If Parry was selling the production from 500 acres on the open ket for
$9/lb. in parchment, then the price wouldn't be $9/lb. any more. Be glad
that he isn't. They have a completely different model in mind than the way
most Kona farmers operate. Selling the production from 500 acres is not
that simple. When Costco buys from you they don't order a lb. of coffee,
they order a BUNCH. So a lot of the normal overhead associated with a sale -
keting, credit risk, etc. goes away. This is the devil's bargain that
Costco will dangle in front of you - a HUGE order, but an aggressive price
in return. If he is looking to put 500 acres of coffee into production then
it may not be a bad deal. Maybe he figures that in the long run their name
will become better known and they can find a channel that carries a higher
price.





<beans@smithfarms.com > wrote in message
news:fu9eu25avvasset3e98n3bc2mglqv7rfrs@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 1 2007 12:06:11 -0500, "Jack Denver"
>>
> Thanks Jack. Yes, Kona Fancy is one grade--- Here's the Hawaii Dept
> of Ag rules:
> *Kona Extra Fancy= is the largest bean size, 19/64ths of an inch, with
> the least allowed number of defects allowed --less than 10 defects per
> pound.
>
> *Kona Fancy = 18/64" and 16 or less defects per pound
>
> *Kona No. 1 =16/64" and 20 or less defects per pound
>
> *Kona Prime = Beans of any size, 15% defective beans by weight
> and
> *Hawaii XXX is the lowest and can not be called Kona.
>
> In Kona right now, parchment is going for $9/lb and one loses about
> 20% in weight to get to green.
>
> All Kona Fancy, huh? He probably isn't being fraudulent, but something
> still seems odd.
>
> aloha,
> Cea




     
Date: 09 Mar 2007 19:24:20
From:
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
FGS brands may or may not be Francisco Gavina & Sons in Vernon CA. one
of the largest family owned roasters in the country.

-Donald Schoenholt



     
Date: 09 Mar 2007 06:03:05
From:
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
Jack, I went to COSTCO yesterday and noted the 100% Kona Coffee
offered by Mountain Thunder - a large local company.

Okay Mountain Thunder (MT) costs $18.59/pound at our Costco. The MT
bag says only "100% Kona"- "Premium 100% Kona" and "Premium whole
bean". Never does it say the size of the bean - as the K.Gold
indicated theirs was Fancy IIRC. So I could make some assumptions
about the grade of MT's beans, but I won't.

Just to conclude, the MT coffee is grown and processed here. MT is a
large enough company so it has soem sort of economy of scale as well.
MT's coffee is sold just down the street from its coffee fields, and
processing company for $18.59 per pound to Costco. That Parry Kona
Gold cited by OP is sold 5000 miles away for $9.20 per pound- albeit
in 40 ounce bags.

aloha,
Cea



roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona


      
Date: 11 Mar 2007 16:53:02
From: Bob Wilson
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
<beans@smithfarms.com > wrote:

> Jack, I went to COSTCO yesterday and noted the 100% Kona Coffee
> offered by Mountain Thunder - a large local company.
>
> Okay Mountain Thunder (MT) costs $18.59/pound at our Costco. The MT
> bag says only "100% Kona"- "Premium 100% Kona" and "Premium whole
> bean". Never does it say the size of the bean - as the K.Gold
> indicated theirs was Fancy IIRC. So I could make some assumptions
> about the grade of MT's beans, but I won't.
>
> Just to conclude, the MT coffee is grown and processed here. MT is a
> large enough company so it has soem sort of economy of scale as well.
> MT's coffee is sold just down the street from its coffee fields, and
> processing company for $18.59 per pound to Costco. That Parry Kona
> Gold cited by OP is sold 5000 miles away for $9.20 per pound- albeit
> in 40 ounce bags.

Rats!

Now I have to go to my Costco to see what they've got. The last time I
checked, it was a 'blend', which means 'don't bother.'

Bob Wilson


      
Date: 09 Mar 2007 19:13:39
From: Harry Avant
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
This COSTCO/Kona thing is confusing to me.

Two days ago I went to my local (Glendale, CA) Costco and bought a
pound of Jose's 100% Kona Fancy, which seems to be distributed by
F.G.S. Brands, Veron CA.

Is this the same as the Mountain Thunder you discussed?

Cost was $18.89 before taxes.

Harry


beans@smithfarms.com wrote:

>Jack, I went to COSTCO yesterday and noted the 100% Kona Coffee
>offered by Mountain Thunder - a large local company.
>
>Okay Mountain Thunder (MT) costs $18.59/pound at our Costco. The MT
>bag says only "100% Kona"- "Premium 100% Kona" and "Premium whole
>bean". Never does it say the size of the bean - as the K.Gold
>indicated theirs was Fancy IIRC. So I could make some assumptions
>about the grade of MT's beans, but I won't.
>
>Just to conclude, the MT coffee is grown and processed here. MT is a
>large enough company so it has soem sort of economy of scale as well.
>MT's coffee is sold just down the street from its coffee fields, and
>processing company for $18.59 per pound to Costco. That Parry Kona
>Gold cited by OP is sold 5000 miles away for $9.20 per pound- albeit
>in 40 ounce bags.
>
>aloha,
>Cea
>
>
>
>roast beans to kona to email
> farmers of Pure Kona


       
Date: 09 Mar 2007 10:21:01
From:
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
On Fri, 09 2007 19:13:39 GMT, Harry Avant <havant@earthlink.net >
wrote:

>This COSTCO/Kona thing is confusing to me.
>
>Two days ago I went to my local (Glendale, CA) Costco and bought a
>pound of Jose's 100% Kona Fancy, which seems to be distributed by
>F.G.S. Brands, Veron CA.
>
>Is this the same as the Mountain Thunder you discussed?
>
>Cost was $18.89 before taxes.
>
>Harry
>
>

It is indeed confusing. I don't know of a "Jose's" brand but I do not
know everything about Mountain Thunder. I think they only have that
one brand.

I hope you read the original post about buying 40 oz of Kona Fancy for
$23 in Fl. Fancy is a grade of coffee and I just think there is
something very odd about someone from Florida- Parry Kona Gold, being
able to sell purported 100% Kona Coffee for half the price it is in
our Kona Costco.

Your price in CA does sound reasonable, I guess, because you are only
2800 miles away.

aloha,
Cea


>beans@smithfarms.com wrote:
>
>>Jack, I went to COSTCO yesterday and noted the 100% Kona Coffee
>>offered by Mountain Thunder - a large local company.
>>
>>Okay Mountain Thunder (MT) costs $18.59/pound at our Costco. The MT
>>bag says only "100% Kona"- "Premium 100% Kona" and "Premium whole
>>bean". Never does it say the size of the bean - as the K.Gold
>>indicated theirs was Fancy IIRC. So I could make some assumptions
>>about the grade of MT's beans, but I won't.
>>
>>Just to conclude, the MT coffee is grown and processed here. MT is a
>>large enough company so it has soem sort of economy of scale as well.
>>MT's coffee is sold just down the street from its coffee fields, and
>>processing company for $18.59 per pound to Costco. That Parry Kona
>>Gold cited by OP is sold 5000 miles away for $9.20 per pound- albeit
>>in 40 ounce bags.
>>
>>aloha,
>>Cea
>>
>>
>>
>>roast beans to kona to email
>> farmers of Pure Kona


     
Date: 01 Mar 2007 12:17:00
From:
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
On Thu, 1 2007 16:10:55 -0500, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>If Parry was selling the production from 500 acres on the open ket for
>$9/lb. in parchment, then the price wouldn't be $9/lb. any more. Be glad
>that he isn't. They have a completely different model in mind than the way
>most Kona farmers operate. Selling the production from 500 acres is not
>that simple. When Costco buys from you they don't order a lb. of coffee,
>they order a BUNCH. So a lot of the normal overhead associated with a sale -
>keting, credit risk, etc. goes away. This is the devil's bargain that
>Costco will dangle in front of you - a HUGE order, but an aggressive price
>in return. If he is looking to put 500 acres of coffee into production then
>it may not be a bad deal. Maybe he figures that in the long run their name
>will become better known and they can find a channel that carries a higher
>price.

Jack, I do not mean to beat the dead horse but here's a thought.
Mountain Thunder, a local Kona company, sells to our Kona Costco and
we think it is about $16-18/pound- no less than that. (I am not about
to toodle north 25 miles to get the exact cost but I will check the
next time I am there.)

The company in question is obviously going for volume sales- yes- but
yet...the demand for Kona is far more than the supply every year. ( I
personally got 3 requests within the last week to give them - Italy,
Canada and US people- a quote for 100 pound or 100 kilos quote, and I
said I couldn't possibly. Asia writes often too.) Wal-t asked our
Farmers group this year too. We couldn't do it.

It may indeed be that magical economy of scale.

aloha,
Cea


 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 21:27:11
From: konapage
Subject: Re: 100% Parry Kona at Costco
On Feb 28, 12:36 pm, "Robert Harmon" <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com > wrote:
> Browsing the coffee/tea aisle at Costco turned up bags of 100% Kona from
> Parry Farms (Gold Coffee Company), $23 for 40oz. Seemed like a good price so
> I picked up a bag. It's a Full City++ & it smells great. I cleaned out the
> Mazzer & poured in the Kona and ground enough for my Silex vac pot. It makes
> a very good, clean tasting, cup of coffee, as good as any other Kona I've
> ever tasted (and a whole lot better than the Jam Blue Mtn my neighbor raves
> about).
>
> I don't normally buy preroasted (goes flat too fast) or Kona (too pricey for
> this country boy), but my church is having a fund raising bazaar & I've been
> asked to provide the coffee (at my expense of course, the pastor knows I
> love to show off my coffee skills). Normally I'd buy the Ruta Maya coffee
> that Costco stocks (if you buy preroasted I highly recommend these folks in
> Austin, TX @www.rutamaya.net), but they normally only have the Kona blend
> so I thought I'd give this normally hard to find coffee a try.
> --
> Robert (100% of anything is usually a good thing!) Harmonhttp://tinyurl.com/pou2yhttp://tinyurl.com/psfobhttp://tinyurl.com/fkd6r



It's not so hard to find. I am a Kona coffee farmer. We sell only 100%
Kona coffee and would be pleased to provide you with the same.