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Date: 09 Sep 2007 00:50:38
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: AC Stats - week ending 070908
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Analysis of posts to alt.coffee
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(stats compiled with a script by Garry Knight)


Total posts considered: 258 over 7 days
Latest article: Sat Sep 8 22:55:04 2007
Original articles: 32, replies: 226
Total size of posts: 519,839 bytes (507K) (0.50M)
Average 36 articles per day, 0.07 MB per day, 2,014 bytes per article
Total headers: 276 KB bodies: 231 KB
Body text - quoted: 88 KB, original: 115 KB = 56.59%, sigs: 26 KB
Total number of posters: 93, average 5,589 bytes per poster
Total number of threads: 50, average 10,396 bytes per thread
Total number of User-Agents: 30

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Top 20 posters by number of articles
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1: "Dee Dee" <deedovey@shentel.net >............................... : 15
2: lockjaw <davebobbl@gmail.com >.................................. : 15
3: "Robert Harmon" <Texas_Coffee@earthlink.net >................... : 12
4: Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com >....................... : 10
5: SJM <cajamadimail-google@yahoo.com >............................ : 9
6: Marshall <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net >....................... : 7
7: "Ed Needham" <ed@NOSPAMhomeroaster.com >........................ : 7
8: "daveb" <davebobbl@gmail.com >.................................. : 6
9: "Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com >..................... : 6
10: "*alan*" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com >............................ : 6
11: Steve <not@use.net >............................................ : 6
12: Flasherly <gjerrell@ij.net >.................................... : 6
13: ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross).......................... : 5
14: "Bill (Adopt)" <adopt@billsimpson.com >......................... : 5
15: "Ken Wilson" <ken@kwilsonDEDUCT.fsnet.co.uk >................... : 5
16: Andy Schecter <schecter@remove.me.rochester.rr.com >............ : 4
17: sprsso <sprsso@yahoo.com >...................................... : 4
18: "( ) David De Cristoforo" <david@daviddecristoforo.com >........ : 4
19: Moka Java <rtwatches@fishyahoo.com >............................ : 4
20: pltrgyst <pltrgyst@spamlessxhost.org >.......................... : 4

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Top 20 posters by article size in Kbytes
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1: "Dee Dee" <deedovey@shentel.net >............................... : 35
2: "Robert Harmon" <Texas_Coffee@earthlink.net >................... : 33
3: SJM <cajamadimail-google@yahoo.com >............................ : 23
4: lockjaw <davebobbl@gmail.com >.................................. : 23
5: Flasherly <gjerrell@ij.net >.................................... : 18
6: "Bill (Adopt)" <adopt@billsimpson.com >......................... : 16
7: "Ed Needham" <ed@NOSPAMhomeroaster.com >........................ : 16
8: Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com >....................... : 15
9: "Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com >..................... : 15
10: "*alan*" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com >............................ : 12
11: Moka Java <rtwatches@fishyahoo.com >............................ : 10
12: Marshall <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net >....................... : 10
13: Elias <thegreatpain@gmail.com >................................. : 8
14: "daveb" <davebobbl@gmail.com >.................................. : 8
15: ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross).......................... : 8
16: Steve <not@use.net >............................................ : 8
17: Ken Blake <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain >................... : 8
18: "Ken Wilson" <ken@kwilsonDEDUCT.fsnet.co.uk >................... : 7
19: "Brian Colwell" <bmcolwell@shaw.ca >............................ : 7
20: "Bertie Doe" <montebrasite4@ntl.com >........................... : 7

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Top 20 responders by original text ( > 5 posts)
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1: "Ed Needham" <ed@NOSPAMhomeroaster.com >........................ : 89.67%
2: Steve <not@use.net >............................................ : 73.45%
3: "daveb" <davebobbl@gmail.com >.................................. : 72.67%
4: "Ken Wilson" <ken@kwilsonDEDUCT.fsnet.co.uk >................... : 69.70%
5: Flasherly <gjerrell@ij.net >.................................... : 59.18%
6: "Bill (Adopt)" <adopt@billsimpson.com >......................... : 58.42%
7: Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com >....................... : 58.10%
8: "Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com >..................... : 56.75%
9: ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross).......................... : 52.59%
10: lockjaw <davebobbl@gmail.com >.................................. : 51.56%
11: "*alan*" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com >............................ : 45.18%
12: "Dee Dee" <deedovey@shentel.net >............................... : 39.08%
13: Marshall <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net >....................... : 36.98%
14: SJM <cajamadimail-google@yahoo.com >............................ : 19.32%

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Top 20 threads by no. of articles
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1: What's the minimum it takes to make quality espresso?.......... : 33
2: What's the minimum it takes to make quaality espresso?......... : 24
3: Any solid rules for pulling espresso shots?.................... : 13
4: figuring caffeine levels....................................... : 13
5: Illy's 'Hyper Espresso' article in the WSJ..................... : 12
6: Dandy brew light problem being subverted by adding PID......... : 12
7: Coffee Questions............................................... : 11
8: Gene Cafe 1/2 pound roaster question........................... : 9
9: paper demitasse source?........................................ : 9
10: Convert Vibe to Rotary?........................................ : 8
11: mounting SSR internally in a classic........................... : 7
12: Alfred Peet passed away........................................ : 7
13: Coffee Filters................................................. : 6
14: New Gaggia Classic - is it working ok?......................... : 6
15: Ultimate shot to date.......................................... : 5
16: To what degree does chaff affect cup taste?.................... : 5
17: Florida Restaurant and Lodging Show............................ : 5
18: Nicaragua & Honduras........................................... : 5
19: Stove top espresso............................................. : 4
20: Techno gicleur................................................. : 4

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Top 20 threads by size in KB
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1: What's the minimum it takes to make quality espresso?.......... : 71
2: What's the minimum it takes to make quaality espresso?......... : 53
3: figuring caffeine levels....................................... : 31
4: Dandy brew light problem being subverted by adding PID......... : 27
5: Illy's 'Hyper Espresso' article in the WSJ..................... : 23
6: Gene Cafe 1/2 pound roaster question........................... : 21
7: Any solid rules for pulling espresso shots?.................... : 19
8: Muddy crema.................................................... : 16
9: mounting SSR internally in a classic........................... : 14
10: paper demitasse source?........................................ : 14
11: Coffee Questions............................................... : 14
12: Convert Vibe to Rotary?........................................ : 13
13: Alfred Peet passed away........................................ : 13
14: Stove top espresso............................................. : 13
15: Coffee Filters................................................. : 12
16: New Gaggia Classic - is it working ok?......................... : 10
17: Nicaragua & Honduras........................................... : 10
18: Now this was an eye opener about how *our little friend* operat : 10
19: Ultimate shot to date.......................................... : 9
20: To what degree does chaff affect cup taste?.................... : 8

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Top 0 cross-posted groups
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Top 10 User Agents by poster
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1: G2/1.0......................................................... : 37
2: Microsoft Outlook Express...................................... : 19
3: Forte Agent.................................................... : 12
4: Thunderbird.................................................... : 8
5: slrn........................................................... : 3
6: Pan............................................................ : 2
7: Xnews.......................................................... : 2
8: Unknown........................................................ : 2
9: Unison......................................................... : 1
10: (65) http://www.nonsolonews.it................................. : 1

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Top 10 User Agents by number of posts
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1: G2........................................................ : 86 (33%)
2: Outlook Express........................................... : 80 (31%)
3: Forte Agent............................................... : 35 (14%)
4: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows.............................. : 13 ( 5%)
5: Mozilla................................................... : 11 ( 4%)
6: unknown................................................... : 7 ( 3%)
7: slrn...................................................... : 7 ( 3%)
8: Pluto..................................................... : 5 ( 2%)
9: Unison.................................................... : 2 ( 1%)
10: Pan....................................................... : 2 ( 1%)

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Top 10 time zones
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1: -0700.......................................................... : 81
2: UTC............................................................ : 62
3: -0400.......................................................... : 56
4: +0100.......................................................... : 26
5: -0500.......................................................... : 23
6: -1000.......................................................... : 4
7: +1200.......................................................... : 3
8: +1000.......................................................... : 3

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Date: 14 Sep 2007 09:38:36
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908

>
> As Bill pointed out, there are still plenty of free servers carrying a.c. I
> use several, and multiplex them - that way I can be sure never to miss one
> of lockjaw's valuable posts.
>
> - David R.
> --
> Less information than you ever thought possible:http://www.demitasse.net

a very wise idea!

btw - no response from ackman.



 
Date: 13 Sep 2007 05:50:05
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
On Sep 12, 10:17 pm, Steve Ackman <st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com >
wrote:
> In <5kpsrrF4uko...@mid.individual.net>, on Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:21:03
>
> +0100, Danny, da...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com wrote:
> > lockjaw wrote:
>
> >> Hmmm. still dishing, danny.
>
> >> thanx for your input, as always.
> >> pls enumerate where I have changed my opinion(s) and how that may
> >> have helped sell my 'wares'.
>
> > Dislike HX machines (actually, you disliked them with a vengeance,
> > aggressively asserting your own POV), now love selling them, or PID
> > for them...
>
> Also don't forget that copper t/c extensions are
> perfectly fine... until much gnashing of teeth and
> pulling of hair by a lot of informed people FINALLY
> convinced him he was wrong...
> or that he stated he would NEVER sell a PID kit because
> he would have no control over the installation, so
> therefore could not warranty it... but shortly after
> that proclamation he had a kit for sale anyway.
>
> I'm sure there were more, but I've had Dave semi
> killfiled off and on for at least half the time he's
> been here.

SEMI-kill filed? WTF?

very amusing! and those kits I sold? No warranty. Ever -- express or
implied, and no instructions.

And my error on the T/C connections? I admitted that -- over TWO
years ago, but it still bothers you, evidently. seems you are now
taking up the banner for some of our dear departed users.

(Ackman, I've always enjoyed the term "kill-file" -- made obsolete by
google access of Usenet)

And BTW, what IS the purpose of the ac stats? timekill? filler?
what?




 
Date: 12 Sep 2007 23:43:21
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908

>
> Ok, thanks., we're supposed to guess the price Mark? {;-p
> Craig.


I'm paying $2.95 / month -- month to month.

dave



  
Date: 12 Sep 2007 19:59:33
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908

"lockjaw" <davebobbl@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1189640601.877538.242270@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> Ok, thanks., we're supposed to guess the price Mark? {;-p
>> Craig.
>
>
> I'm paying $2.95 / month -- month to month.
>
> dave
>

For what Mark mentioned Dave, Forte's news server? That's $35.40US/yr versus
News.Individual.Net @ $13.90US. I'll stick with what I got.
Thanks & Cheers!
Craig.



 
Date: 12 Sep 2007 21:13:55
From: CoffeeKid
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
On Sep 12, 1:34 pm, "Craig Andrews" <alt.cof...@deletethis.rogers.com >
wrote:
> "shane" <shane.ol...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189627714.212942.320590@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sep 11, 1:25 pm, Danny <da...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com> wrote:
>
> >> UK broadband, UK mobile telecom - many groups. I can't believe that
> >> people subscribe to usenet for one group.
>
> >> Google groups has done much to damage the usenet structure.
>
> >> --
> >> Regards, Danny
>
> >>http://www.gaggia-espresso.com(a purely hobby site)
> >> (apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I use Google to access the Usenet groups. Why? It is free, available
> > and convienient.
> > My ISP does not provide a news server.
> > I only look at alt.coffee with any regularity, so paying to access
> > usenet for one group seems silly.
>
> > Shane
>
> Well, I do for one group., this one! Since my ISP dropped NNTP newsfeed f=
romhttp://www.giganews.com/some time ago, the alternative is to pay the same
> company that my ISP used to provide for free (GigaNews)., $7.99USD (cheap=
est
> "Bronze" service) for one month, so Individual.net @ =8010 1=80 =3D $1.=
39USD
> $13.90USD for 1 YEAR is an excellent deal, do the math.
> Cheers!
> Craig.

I use Forte's news server, the cheapest package, for a yearly
subscription, but almost never use Agent any longer for newsgroups...
always use google these days. I may not renew Forte, but I do
recommend it regardless - retention, esp. of the binaries, is huge.

Mark



  
Date: 12 Sep 2007 19:04:52
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908

"CoffeeKid" <Coffeekid@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1189631635.234611.23420@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 12, 1:34 pm, "Craig Andrews" <alt.cof...@deletethis.rogers.com >
wrote:
> "shane" <shane.ol...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189627714.212942.320590@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sep 11, 1:25 pm, Danny <da...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com> wrote:
>
> >> UK broadband, UK mobile telecom - many groups. I can't believe that
> >> people subscribe to usenet for one group.
>
> >> Google groups has done much to damage the usenet structure.
>
> >> --
> >> Regards, Danny
>
> >>http://www.gaggia-espresso.com(a purely hobby site)
> >> (apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I use Google to access the Usenet groups. Why? It is free, available
> > and convienient.
> > My ISP does not provide a news server.
> > I only look at alt.coffee with any regularity, so paying to access
> > usenet for one group seems silly.
>
> > Shane
>
> Well, I do for one group., this one! Since my ISP dropped NNTP newsfeed
> fromhttp://www.giganews.com/some time ago, the alternative is to pay the
> same
> company that my ISP used to provide for free (GigaNews)., $7.99USD
> (cheapest
> "Bronze" service) for one month, so Individual.net @ 10 1 = $1.39USD
> $13.90USD for 1 YEAR is an excellent deal, do the math.
> Cheers!
> Craig.

I use Forte's news server, the cheapest package, for a yearly
subscription, but almost never use Agent any longer for newsgroups...
always use google these days. I may not renew Forte, but I do
recommend it regardless - retention, esp. of the binaries, is huge.

Mark

Ok, thanks., we're supposed to guess the price Mark? {;-p
Craig.



 
Date: 12 Sep 2007 13:08:34
From: shane
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
On Sep 11, 1:25 pm, Danny <da...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote:

> UK broadband, UK mobile telecom - many groups. I can't believe that
> people subscribe to usenet for one group.
>
> Google groups has done much to damage the usenet structure.
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> (apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I use Google to access the Usenet groups. Why? It is free, available
and convienient.
My ISP does not provide a news server.
I only look at alt.coffee with any regularity, so paying to access
usenet for one group seems silly.

Shane




  
Date: 12 Sep 2007 16:34:18
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908

"shane" <shane.olson@juno.com > wrote in message
news:1189627714.212942.320590@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 11, 1:25 pm, Danny <da...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com> wrote:
>
>> UK broadband, UK mobile telecom - many groups. I can't believe that
>> people subscribe to usenet for one group.
>>
>> Google groups has done much to damage the usenet structure.
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Danny
>>
>> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
>> (apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I use Google to access the Usenet groups. Why? It is free, available
> and convienient.
> My ISP does not provide a news server.
> I only look at alt.coffee with any regularity, so paying to access
> usenet for one group seems silly.
>
> Shane
>
>

Well, I do for one group., this one! Since my ISP dropped NNTP newsfeed from
http://www.giganews.com/ some time ago, the alternative is to pay the same
company that my ISP used to provide for free (GigaNews)., $7.99USD (cheapest
"Bronze" service) for one month, so Individual.net @ 10 1 = $1.39USD
$13.90USD for 1 YEAR is an excellent deal, do the math.
Cheers!
Craig.



 
Date: 12 Sep 2007 18:59:19
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908


and the POV of over 50 of my pid / HX customers, danny.

and since when was aggressively asserting a POV a bad thing????

but as I have said to you before, sir, I really do NOT care what you
think.

Dave




 
Date: 12 Sep 2007 07:26:30
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
On Sep 12, 5:19 am, Danny <da...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote:
> Robert Harmon wrote:
> > That's an interesting POV, Danny. How is Usenet being damaged by Google,
> > other than making it more visible to everyone?-snip-
>
> Preferred it when deja held the archives. I'm old fashioned I
> suppose, in that I prefer that the rules for usenet posting are
> adhered too - snippage, bottom posting etc - things that you don't
> seem overly concerned about anyway, hence your POV.
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> (apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)

Howdy Danny!
RULES, WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING RULES.

It's a software issue - some readers are set up for top posting,
others for bottom. Some ignore small responses to long posts, others
pop up with advisory messages when you're too brief.

Some say tomato, some say tomawto, but the Usenet always was intended
to lean towards anarchy, that's why moderated newsgroups was one of
the last add-ins. Anyone wishing to startup a moderated group for our
use is encouraged to do so - I will be one of the first to join &
volunteer to help the moderator.

Being a Luddite myself, I prefer the old ways myself. Being a retired
businessman, I also like innovation. It just depends on whose ox is
being gored and where; sometimes change drives me around the bend,
sometimes I love it.



 
Date: 12 Sep 2007 03:19:40
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908


Hmmm. still dishing, danny.

thanx for your input, as always.
pls enumerate where I have changed my opinion(s) and how that may
have helped sell my 'wares'.






  
Date: 12 Sep 2007 11:21:03
From: Danny
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
lockjaw wrote:
>
> Hmmm. still dishing, danny.
>
> thanx for your input, as always.
> pls enumerate where I have changed my opinion(s) and how that may
> have helped sell my 'wares'.
>
>
>
>

Dislike HX machines (actually, you disliked them with a vengeance,
aggressively asserting your own POV), now love selling them, or PID
for them...

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



   
Date: 12 Sep 2007 22:17:34
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
In <5kpsrrF4uko0U3@mid.individual.net >, on Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:21:03
+0100, Danny, danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com wrote:
> lockjaw wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm. still dishing, danny.
>>
>> thanx for your input, as always.
>> pls enumerate where I have changed my opinion(s) and how that may
>> have helped sell my 'wares'.
>>
>
> Dislike HX machines (actually, you disliked them with a vengeance,
> aggressively asserting your own POV), now love selling them, or PID
> for them...

Also don't forget that copper t/c extensions are
perfectly fine... until much gnashing of teeth and
pulling of hair by a lot of informed people FINALLY
convinced him he was wrong...
or that he stated he would NEVER sell a PID kit because
he would have no control over the installation, so
therefore could not warranty it... but shortly after
that proclamation he had a kit for sale anyway.

I'm sure there were more, but I've had Dave semi
killfiled off and on for at least half the time he's
been here.


 
Date: 11 Sep 2007 01:40:48
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
On Sep 9, 2:24 pm, "*alan*" <in_flagra...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "lockjaw" <davebo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189332569.572081.46960@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > ================================================================
>
> > Sep 2007 MTD : 281
> > last year full month 1971
>
> > Last month August full month:1029
> > August 2006 full month 1929
>
> Since you've posted similar stats in the past illustrating an overall
> decrease in posts, it's obvious that you're concerned and have given the
> situation some thought.
> Please share your thoughts ---- what do you think has contributed to the
> decrease?
> I think I've asked you this before, but don't recall getting an answer . . .
> --
> alan

let's see, Alan:

A) vitriolic personal attacks just MAY have been a turnoff,
esprecially to newbies

B) veiled references to ONE person who has "ruined" this group --
whomever that may be as if he / she had that power. (fox?)

C) Crappy presentation with paid usenet server(s). I use one too, on
occasion. It sucks.

D) Attacks and posts from anonymous users -- who insist on staying
that way, and who existed ONLY to follow around a certain poster or
posters.

E) MUCH richer content on other .com sites and NO or highly
constrained personal attacks and flaming.

F) No "spam" from me. which is really NOT spam, by any definition.

G) Struggles by some former members to be THE majordomo(s) of this
group.
example: jumping on newbies asking sincere questions and who are
attacked erroneously as "trolls"

example terryz and markp's little dialog a few months back as one of
many, many examples

H) Just plain fiction being dished as good advice, and when
corrected, the correct advice attacked as b.s.


and the reason I make note of the stats? because the MOST important
"stat" is ignored!
the total volume of posts.

I mean who gives a shit about who wrote the longest bunch of posts in
the last week
and of what value is that knowledge? infinitesimally small, IMHO.

anyone can run a script in 10 seconds and past the results.

So?

dave
www.hitechespresso.com

[Hi, Danny]






  
Date: 11 Sep 2007 03:06:50
From: Steve
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:40:48 -0000, lockjaw <davebobbl@gmail.com >
wrote:

>B) veiled references to ONE person who has "ruined" this group --
>whomever that may be as if he / she had that power. (fox?)

You don't have any power.
You're just so obnoxious that many have left.


   
Date: 11 Sep 2007 01:50:34
From: daveb
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908

"Steve" <not@use.net > wrote in message
news:dg1ce3p6touamnieibhl6rvsm079fqid2h@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:40:48 -0000, lockjaw <davebobbl@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>B) veiled references to ONE person who has "ruined" this group --
>>whomever that may be as if he / she had that power. (fox?)
>
> You don't have any power.
> You're just so obnoxious that many have left.

See Item D, "Steve"

responding to "steve" -- another anonymous fool -- is a waste of time but,

I never claimed to have 'power'. The back and forth whining and sniveling
from virtual entities like you -- and others ---comprised a huge part of
the volume.




    
Date: 11 Sep 2007 19:29:59
From: Danny
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
daveb wrote:

> See Item D, "Steve"
>
> responding to "steve" -- another anonymous fool -- is a waste of time but,
>
> I never claimed to have 'power'. The back and forth whining and sniveling
> from virtual entities like you -- and others ---comprised a huge part of
> the volume.
>
>
Dave - I understand that you will never accept it, but your online
persona led to the near-destruction of this group. Don't worry,
though - people are beigger than that, and I'm sure this group will
live again, whether you play a contructive role, or whether you just
continue advertising your wares as you (frequently) change your
opinion on various technologies, according to whether they co-incide
with your current selling practices.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



    
Date: 11 Sep 2007 15:54:40
From: Steve
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:50:34 -0400, "daveb" <davebobbl@gmail.com >
wrote:

>responding to "steve" -- another anonymous fool -- is a waste of time but,

You can't help yourself.
Idiot.


 
Date: 09 Sep 2007 10:09:29
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
================================================================

Sep 2007 MTD : 281
last year full month 1971

Last month August full month:1029
August 2006 full month 1929




  
Date: 09 Sep 2007 11:24:53
From: *alan*
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908

"lockjaw" <davebobbl@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1189332569.572081.46960@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> ================================================================
>
> Sep 2007 MTD : 281
> last year full month 1971
>
> Last month August full month:1029
> August 2006 full month 1929

Since you've posted similar stats in the past illustrating an overall
decrease in posts, it's obvious that you're concerned and have given the
situation some thought.
Please share your thoughts ---- what do you think has contributed to the
decrease?
I think I've asked you this before, but don't recall getting an answer . . .
--
alan



   
Date: 10 Sep 2007 15:50:24
From: Brent
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908

>>
>> Sep 2007 MTD : 281
>> last year full month 1971
>>
>> Last month August full month:1029
>> August 2006 full month 1929
>
> Since you've posted similar stats in the past illustrating an overall
> decrease in posts, it's obvious that you're concerned and have given the
> situation some thought.
> Please share your thoughts ---- what do you think has contributed to the
> decrease?
> I think I've asked you this before, but don't recall getting an answer . .
> .
> --
> alan

Hi Alan,

The decline has been evident for some tim elonger than 12 months...

I owuld put it down to several things,

1. It is getting harder to get a usenet feed
(1.b my feed at home is a pig compared to work, but same ISP)
2. More targeted forums that are gathering momentum
(2.b which means as a rule a lot of people are spreading same time over more
places)
3. invariably people will move on, the problem being that (2) above are
attracting the people that would have traditionally appeared here, partially
because of (1) above also making life difficult. People take the path of
least resistance in the end, and usenet is putting up more and more
resistance...

just some thoughts
(I am seriously considering the value of paying for a usenet subscription
myself...)




    
Date: 10 Sep 2007 17:50:10
From: Danny
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
Brent wrote:
>>>Sep 2007 MTD : 281
>>>last year full month 1971
>>>
>>>Last month August full month:1029
>>>August 2006 full month 1929
>>
>>Since you've posted similar stats in the past illustrating an overall
>>decrease in posts, it's obvious that you're concerned and have given the
>>situation some thought.
>>Please share your thoughts ---- what do you think has contributed to the
>>decrease?
>>I think I've asked you this before, but don't recall getting an answer . .
>>.
>>--
>>alan
>
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> The decline has been evident for some tim elonger than 12 months...
>
> I owuld put it down to several things,
>
> 1. It is getting harder to get a usenet feed
> (1.b my feed at home is a pig compared to work, but same ISP)
> 2. More targeted forums that are gathering momentum
> (2.b which means as a rule a lot of people are spreading same time over more
> places)
> 3. invariably people will move on, the problem being that (2) above are
> attracting the people that would have traditionally appeared here, partially
> because of (1) above also making life difficult. People take the path of
> least resistance in the end, and usenet is putting up more and more
> resistance...
>
> just some thoughts
> (I am seriously considering the value of paying for a usenet subscription
> myself...)
>
>

You missed the one most significant reason why this group all but
died. I expect he'll be along shortly

/watches this space/

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



    
Date: 10 Sep 2007 00:22:09
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
"Brent" <me@privacy.net > wrote in message
news:5kjt7sF3vuudU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> just some thoughts
> (I am seriously considering the value of paying for a usenet subscription
> myself...)
>
>

that's an easy one. I'm letting mine lapse the next time around.




     
Date: 10 Sep 2007 17:49:11
From: Danny
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
Ken Fox wrote:
> "Brent" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:5kjt7sF3vuudU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>>just some thoughts
>>(I am seriously considering the value of paying for a usenet subscription
>>myself...)
>>
>>
>
>
> that's an easy one. I'm letting mine lapse the next time around.
>
>

Even easier one - get a free, or at least very cheap, usenet server.
Many here use individual.net, for 10 euro/year.

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



      
Date: 11 Sep 2007 12:05:35
From: Brent
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
>>>just some thoughts
>>>(I am seriously considering the value of paying for a usenet subscription
>>>myself...)
>>
>> that's an easy one. I'm letting mine lapse the next time around.
>
> Even easier one - get a free, or at least very cheap, usenet server. Many
> here use individual.net, for 10 euro/year.
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
Hi Danny and Ken,

I use (as does Ken I believe) individual.net I only use it to access
alt.coffee. I dislike using google groups

Yes the service is good (except from home) but it is a hassle to pay, as by
the time the renewal rolls around, I will probably have cancelled my credit
card...

Unless someone knows how to setup a newsserver for alt.coffee (there is a
possibility I could host one)

Brent




       
Date: 11 Sep 2007 08:25:46
From: Bill (Adopt)
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
In article <5km4eaF4hsadU1@mid.individual.net >,
Brent <me@privacy.net > wrote:
> >>>just some thoughts
> >>>(I am seriously considering the value of paying for a usenet subscription
> >>>myself...)

> >> that's an easy one. I'm letting mine lapse the next time around.

> > Even easier one - get a free, or at least very cheap, usenet server. Many
> > here use individual.net, for 10 euro/year.

> I use (as does Ken I believe) individual.net I only use it to access
> alt.coffee. I dislike using google groups

> Yes the service is good (except from home) but it is a hassle to pay, as by
> the time the renewal rolls around, I will probably have cancelled my credit
> card...

So why are you all still paying? There are a lot
of free newservers, or newservers with a virtually
free access out there and willing to assist you in
your search for information...

One such is

news.aeio.net

(for a temporary and limited access but which
still includes a.c.), or it's better resourced
University parent also including a.c.

nntp.aeio.net

(This server network isn't designed for large
scale use over hundreds of groups, or with large
multi-access demands. Abuse of the server will
result in the offender being removed, initially
for 24 hours, then increasingly longer periods.
However, it's more than serviceable for a private
individual user ..and carries a full range of
groups including alt.coffee)...

There are various other servers around the world
that provide similar access - and to keep the whole
Internet alive. Use any one of your favourite search
engines to resource all the free Usenet servers, or
access points, that are available.

btw, 'Google groups' is a commercial concern. It
is NOT the Internet - and never, ever, has been.

> Unless someone knows how to setup a newsserver for alt.coffee (there is a
> possibility I could host one)

So can anybody! ..it doesn't need great skill!

My newsreader (also mail etc) has full onboard
software enabling the handling of just such groups.
The machine here is capable of acting as an ultra
reliable server, should that need ever arise.

One such type of 'group', however, that is easily
hosted is and may be set up as a subscriber 'mail
list' - which can be quite private and protected
from the outside world - and care for the established
'rights' of those that believe they have a 'right' to
those 'rights'.

- but -

..it will be useless, to all intents and purposes,
for gaining and disseminating broad information and
knowledge of anything surrounding the chosen subject
from around the rest of the World.

It will display knowledge little more than the limits
of it's eclecticly protected inhabitants, given the
natural limits of knowledge that they will display.

Unless actively replenished by 'new blood', such
maillists or 'sites' tend to become gradually extint,
which, as the alternative and given the History of
the Internet, alt.coffee as a Usenet 'newsgroup' is
never likely to become..

..just another thought or three.. :))

Bill ZFC

--
Adoption InterLink UK with -=- http://www.billsimpson.com/
Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/


      
Date: 10 Sep 2007 17:09:28
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:5klarkF4bgqfU1@mid.individual.net...
> Ken Fox wrote:
>> "Brent" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:5kjt7sF3vuudU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>>just some thoughts
>>>(I am seriously considering the value of paying for a usenet subscription
>>>myself...)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> that's an easy one. I'm letting mine lapse the next time around.
>
> Even easier one - get a free, or at least very cheap, usenet server. Many
> here use individual.net, for 10 euro/year.
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> (apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)
>

Individual.net is what I have used for years. What I'm getting at is that
a.c. isn't worth 10 euro/year to me, anymore.

ken




       
Date: 14 Sep 2007 08:41:03
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
"Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote:



       
Date: 11 Sep 2007 06:11:03
From: Danny
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
Ken Fox wrote:

> Individual.net is what I have used for years. What I'm getting at is that
> a.c. isn't worth 10 euro/year to me, anymore.
>
> ken
>
>

Two points. Firstly, any usenet group is only as good as it's
participants - it's the sum of the whole. Everyone goes, it dies, for
a while at least.

Secondly, I'd be quite surprised if the majority of people subscribed
to usenet for access to just one group. There are many text groups
that I follow.

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



        
Date: 11 Sep 2007 08:33:26
From: Bill (Adopt)
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
In article <5kmmakF4hmm0U1@mid.individual.net >,
Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote:
> Ken Fox wrote:

> > Individual.net is what I have used for years. What I'm getting at is that
> > a.c. isn't worth 10 euro/year to me, anymore.
> >
> > ken
> >
> >

> Two points. Firstly, any usenet group is only as good as it's
> participants - it's the sum of the whole. Everyone goes, it dies, for
> a while at least.

Absolutely.

..and if it does 'die'..?

There's a thriving uderground community whose sole purpose
is to resurrect defunct Usenet groups!

The theory is that Nature abhors a vacuum ..and that there's
also someone who's willing to attempt re-ordering the natural
order of Chaos.. ;))

> Secondly, I'd be quite surprised if the majority of people subscribed
> to usenet for access to just one group. There are many text groups
> that I follow.

..around 100,000 or more such 'newsgroups' ..covering just
about every subject.

Usenet is, as it were, the primary part of the real Inter-Net!

:))

Bill ZFC

--
Adoption InterLink UK with -=- http://www.billsimpson.com/
Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/


         
Date: 11 Sep 2007 19:25:57
From: Danny
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
Bill (Adopt) wrote:
> In article <5kmmakF4hmm0U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com> wrote:
>
>>Ken Fox wrote:
>
>
>>>Individual.net is what I have used for years. What I'm getting at is that
>>>a.c. isn't worth 10 euro/year to me, anymore.
>>>
>>>ken
>>>
>>>
>
>
>>Two points. Firstly, any usenet group is only as good as it's
>>participants - it's the sum of the whole. Everyone goes, it dies, for
>>a while at least.
>
>
> Absolutely.
>
> ..and if it does 'die'..?
>
> There's a thriving uderground community whose sole purpose
> is to resurrect defunct Usenet groups!
>
> The theory is that Nature abhors a vacuum ..and that there's
> also someone who's willing to attempt re-ordering the natural
> order of Chaos.. ;))
>
>
>>Secondly, I'd be quite surprised if the majority of people subscribed
>>to usenet for access to just one group. There are many text groups
>>that I follow.
>
>
> ..around 100,000 or more such 'newsgroups' ..covering just
> about every subject.
>
> Usenet is, as it were, the primary part of the real Inter-Net!
>
> :))
>
> Bill ZFC
>

Couldn't agree more. I follow the jeep newsgroup (although I don't
have a jeep cherokee any more, same with landrover) I follow the UK
motorcycling group, and also caravans (don't have one of them either),
UK broadband, UK mobile telecom - many groups. I can't believe that
people subscribe to usenet for one group.

Google groups has done much to damage the usenet structure.

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



          
Date: 11 Sep 2007 13:56:09
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
That's an interesting POV, Danny. How is Usenet being damaged by Google,
other than making it more visible to everyone? Twenty years ago the Usenet
was mostly a figment of the imagination - down loaded by a handful of BBS',
with a four to seven day turn around on message posting and replies. Then
ISP's made limited and censored groups available to subscribers and interest
grew, but they usually dropped posts after a few days, making a prolonged
and to-the-point discussion difficult. Then along came Deja News and the
archiving of posts, making a cohesive and on-topic thread possible for the
first time. Deja News was bought out by Google, which added posting to the
archive service and the Usenet has since become one of the *killer* apps of
the internet. So how does Google deserve your condemnation - they're just an
extension of the growth that predated them.
--
Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:5ko4t1F4pk4uU1@mid.individual.net...

snipped

> Google groups has done much to damage the usenet structure.
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>




           
Date: 12 Sep 2007 11:19:27
From: Danny
Subject: Re: AC Stats - week ending 070908
Robert Harmon wrote:
> That's an interesting POV, Danny. How is Usenet being damaged by Google,
> other than making it more visible to everyone?-snip-

Preferred it when deja held the archives. I'm old fashioned I
suppose, in that I prefer that the rules for usenet posting are
adhered too - snippage, bottom posting etc - things that you don't
seem overly concerned about anyway, hence your POV.

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)