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Date: 08 May 2007 09:13:19
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: AC stats
A lot of groups have weekly postings of their
article and author stats with various formats and info
collected/displayed.

Is there any interest in seeing something like this
here?

============================================================================
Analysis of posts to alt.coffee
============================================================================
(stats compiled with a script by Garry Knight)


Total posts considered: 225 over 7 days
Latest article: Tue May 8 08:47:03 2007
Original articles: 34, replies: 191
Total size of posts: 451,313 bytes (440K) (0.43M)
Average 32 articles per day, 0.06 MB per day, 2,005 bytes per article
Total headers: 229 KB bodies: 210 KB
Body text - quoted: 87 KB, original: 98 KB = 53.11%, sigs: 24 KB
Total number of posters: 90, average 5,014 bytes per poster
Total number of threads: 43, average 10,495 bytes per thread
Total number of User-Agents: 29

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Top 20 posters by number of articles
============================================================================
1: Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com >....................... : 15
2: ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross).......................... : 14
3: "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com >...................... : 8
4: "Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com >............. : 8
5: Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com >................................ : 7
6: Dr.Xenon1@gmail.com............................................ : 6
7: "I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com>................................. : 6
8: Sophie <none@yours >............................................ : 6
9: "Cordovero" <cordoveroremovexxx@yahooxxx.com >.................. : 6
10: Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com >........................... : 6
11: bernie <bdigman@zianet.com >.................................... : 6
12: beans@smithfarms.com........................................... : 5
13: "Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net >.......................... : 4
14: Godzilla <godzilla@monsters.org >............................... : 4
15: "theotherjo@gmail.com" <theotherjo@gmail.com >.................. : 4
16: Matt <towmissle666@yahoo.com >.................................. : 4
17: Chandi Bernier <burni13@hotmail.com >........................... : 3
18: "Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com >..................... : 3
19: "Bill (Adopt)" <adopt@billsimpson.com >......................... : 3
20: sprsso@yahoo.com............................................... : 3

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Top 20 posters by article size in Kbytes
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1: Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com >....................... : 28
2: ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross).......................... : 25
3: "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com >...................... : 18
4: "Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com >............. : 16
5: Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com >................................ : 15
6: "Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net >.......................... : 15
7: bernie <bdigman@zianet.com >.................................... : 12
8: Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com >........................... : 11
9: happy <islamguide@msn.com >..................................... : 10
10: Dr.Xenon1@gmail.com............................................ : 9
11: Sophie <none@yours >............................................ : 9
12: coffeeemail@gmail.com.......................................... : 9
13: "I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com>................................. : 9
14: beans@smithfarms.com........................................... : 8
15: "Bill (Adopt)" <adopt@billsimpson.com >......................... : 8
16: Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com >............................. : 8
17: "Cordovero" <cordoveroremovexxx@yahooxxx.com >.................. : 8
18: Godzilla <godzilla@monsters.org >............................... : 8
19: "theotherjo@gmail.com" <theotherjo@gmail.com >.................. : 8
20: Chandi Bernier <burni13@hotmail.com >........................... : 8

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Top 20 responders by original text ( > 5 posts)
============================================================================
1: "Cordovero" <cordoveroremovexxx@yahooxxx.com >.................. : 72.17%
2: Dr.Xenon1@gmail.com............................................ : 65.80%
3: "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com >...................... : 62.97%
4: Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com >....................... : 59.44%
5: bernie <bdigman@zianet.com >.................................... : 54.97%
6: Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com >........................... : 49.50%
7: beans@smithfarms.com........................................... : 40.18%
8: "Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com >............. : 35.48%
9: Sophie <none@yours >............................................ : 32.35%
10: "I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com>................................. : 29.66%
11: Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com >................................ : 14.13%

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Bottom 20 responders by original text ( > 5 posts)
============================================================================
1: Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com >................................ : 14.13%
2: "I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com>................................. : 29.66%
3: Sophie <none@yours >............................................ : 32.35%
4: "Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com >............. : 35.48%
5: beans@smithfarms.com........................................... : 40.18%
6: Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com >........................... : 49.50%
7: bernie <bdigman@zianet.com >.................................... : 54.97%
8: Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com >....................... : 59.44%
9: "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com >...................... : 62.97%
10: Dr.Xenon1@gmail.com............................................ : 65.80%
11: "Cordovero" <cordoveroremovexxx@yahooxxx.com >.................. : 72.17%

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Top 20 threads by no. of articles
============================================================================
1: Quote from an owner of one of my 'pid' quick mill HX units..... : 32
2: coffee in France & adventure................................... : 24
3: Doserless Super Jolly.......................................... : 20
4: Espresso newbie help-- to the poiint........................... : 17
5: LONG BEACH: Headcount.......................................... : 13
6: size of tube from pump output to boiler inlet on silvia........ : 12
7: Further proof of staling....................................... : 10
8: Any top notch coffee shops in the DC area?..................... : 8
9: Mazzer & Rio grinders.......................................... : 6
10: Good Coffee Beans in Austin?................................... : 5
11: Temperature control with hot air roasting...................... : 5
12: Has anyone worked on a Franke Saphira?......................... : 5
13: roast exothermy................................................ : 5
14: Yet another wild hair.......................................... : 5
15: Cupping Events in San Diego?................................... : 4
16: bitterness of espresso......................................... : 4
17: Some Gene Cafe roast profiles.................................. : 4
18: Gaggia aluminum boiler - which water should I use.............. : 4
19: Umm....doughnuts............................................... : 3
20: grinder static................................................. : 3

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Top 20 threads by size in KB
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1: Quote from an owner of one of my 'pid' quick mill HX units..... : 72
2: coffee in France & adventure................................... : 44
3: Doserless Super Jolly.......................................... : 39
4: Espresso newbie help-- to the poiint........................... : 30
5: size of tube from pump output to boiler inlet on silvia........ : 21
6: Further proof of staling....................................... : 21
7: LONG BEACH: Headcount.......................................... : 15
8: Mazzer & Rio grinders.......................................... : 15
9: Temperature control with hot air roasting...................... : 12
10: Any top notch coffee shops in the DC area?..................... : 12
11: Did you read about that?....................................... : 10
12: roast exothermy................................................ : 10
13: Yet another wild hair.......................................... : 10
14: Good Coffee Beans in Austin?................................... : 9
15: Cupping Events in San Diego?................................... : 7
16: Gaggia aluminum boiler - which water should I use.............. : 7
17: Has anyone worked on a Franke Saphira?......................... : 7
18: bitterness of espresso......................................... : 7
19: Some Gene Cafe roast profiles.................................. : 6
20: Umm....doughnuts............................................... : 6

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Top 0 cross-posted groups
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Top 10 User Agents by poster
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1: G2/1.0......................................................... : 28
2: Microsoft Outlook Express...................................... : 21
3: Forte Agent.................................................... : 12
4: Thunderbird.................................................... : 10
5: Mozilla........................................................ : 3
6: rn............................................................. : 3
7: Unknown........................................................ : 3
8: Forte Free Agent............................................... : 2
9: Xnews.......................................................... : 2
10: MicroPlanet Gravity............................................ : 1

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Top 10 User Agents by number of posts
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1: G2........................................................ : 57 (25%)
2: Outlook Express........................................... : 52 (23%)
3: Forte Agent............................................... : 33 (15%)
4: Mozilla................................................... : 22 (10%)
5: unknown................................................... : 16 ( 7%)
6: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows............................. : 9 ( 4%)
7: Forte Free Agent.......................................... : 7 ( 3%)
8: MT-NewsWatcher............................................ : 6 ( 3%)
9: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows.............................. : 5 ( 2%)
10: KNode..................................................... : 4 ( 2%)

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Top 10 time zones
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1: -0700.......................................................... : 89
2: UTC............................................................ : 45
3: -0400.......................................................... : 32
4: +0100.......................................................... : 21
5: -0500.......................................................... : 18
6: -0600.......................................................... : 7
7: -1000.......................................................... : 5
8: +1200.......................................................... : 4
9: +0200.......................................................... : 3
10: +1000.......................................................... : 1

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Date: 15 May 2007 12:30:23
From: Steve Johnson
Subject: Re: AC stats
On Tue, 8 May 2007 09:13:19 -0400, Steve Ackman
<steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote:

> A lot of groups have weekly postings of their
>article and author stats with various formats and info
>collected/displayed.
>
> Is there any interest in seeing something like this
>here?
>
>============================================================================
> Analysis of posts to alt.coffee
>============================================================================
> (stats compiled with a script by Garry Knight)
>
>
>Total posts considered: 225 over 7 days
>Latest article: Tue May 8 08:47:03 2007
>Original articles: 34, replies: 191
>Total size of posts: 451,313 bytes (440K) (0.43M)
>Average 32 articles per day, 0.06 MB per day, 2,005 bytes per article
>Total headers: 229 KB bodies: 210 KB
>Body text - quoted: 87 KB, original: 98 KB = 53.11%, sigs: 24 KB
>Total number of posters: 90, average 5,014 bytes per poster
>Total number of threads: 43, average 10,495 bytes per thread
>Total number of User-Agents: 29
>

< more data snipped >

Can you automate the process ? -- this is interesting ( seems like my
poor memory has some comments on posters years ago -- it was a back
and for with Mark and Barry in that time frame ) -- but it appears
like a lot of work.

I've done similar things here at the office ; put together a data base
to track quotes / projects -- no one seemed to be reading them, I quit
issuing them and not a person complained.

Regards --


  
Date: 15 May 2007 15:52:34
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: AC stats
In <2mnj43h5v0iirr3p043i07h57dg69t5ct8@4ax.com >, on Tue, 15 May 2007
12:30:23 -0400, Steve Johnson wrote:

> Can you automate the process ?

The cron jobs are already in place to run the script
weekly and monthly. I just have to insert the result
file into a post. That'll be automated too when I get
an extra round tuit.

> it appears like a lot of work.

I'm sure Garry Knight put a bit of time into his perl
script that does all the heavy lifting, but on my end,
not any work at all really.



   
Date: 15 May 2007 15:18:32
From: bernie
Subject: Re: AC stats
Steve Ackman wrote:
> In <2mnj43h5v0iirr3p043i07h57dg69t5ct8@4ax.com>, on Tue, 15 May 2007
> 12:30:23 -0400, Steve Johnson wrote:
>
>
>>Can you automate the process ?
>
>
> The cron jobs are already in place to run the script
> weekly and monthly. I just have to insert the result
> file into a post. That'll be automated too when I get
> an extra round tuit.
>
>
>>it appears like a lot of work.
>
>
> I'm sure Garry Knight put a bit of time into his perl
> script that does all the heavy lifting, but on my end,
> not any work at all really.
>

Do they still have the tuit mines up there in the Four Corners area?
Didn't notice the last time we were in town.
Bernie


    
Date: 15 May 2007 17:39:32
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: AC stats
In <464a23a8$1@nntp.zianet.com >, on Tue, 15 May 2007 15:18:32 -0600,
bernie wrote:
>
> Do they still have the tuit mines up there in the Four Corners area?
> Didn't notice the last time we were in town.

We moved back to NH almost a year ago, so you were
probably there more recently than we were. Then again,
I can only imagine what a mined tuit might look like...
aside from it being round. Hint?


     
Date: 15 May 2007 20:35:08
From: bernie
Subject: Re: AC stats
Steve Ackman wrote:
> In <464a23a8$1@nntp.zianet.com>, on Tue, 15 May 2007 15:18:32 -0600,
> bernie wrote:
>
>> Do they still have the tuit mines up there in the Four Corners area?
>>Didn't notice the last time we were in town.
>
>
> We moved back to NH almost a year ago, so you were
> probably there more recently than we were. Then again,
> I can only imagine what a mined tuit might look like...
> aside from it being round. Hint?


I've only see tuits after they have been processed into rounds. Never
seen a tuit in the raw state. So, what was it that took you out of the
garden city of Shiprock and it's surrounds? j
Bernie


      
Date: 16 May 2007 11:29:04
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: AC stats
In <464a6ddc@nntp.zianet.com >, on Tue, 15 May 2007 20:35:08 -0600,
bernie wrote:

> I've only see tuits after they have been processed into rounds.

I've also heard of "walk tuits" so guess they don't
all get processed into rounds. (Best imagined in a
Jeff Foxworthy voice, "Truck's ina shop, so I guess
I'll needa walk tuit.") There's also the rare "drive
tuit" and a few other obscure varieties.

> So, what was it that took you out of the
> garden city of Shiprock and it's surrounds?

The better question might be what took us there in
the first place... an IHS contract. That's done, so
we came back "home" sort of. Deb's at Dartmouth-
Hitchcock now... and the drive down to the old Diedrich
where I used to work is about 150 miles (not too far
from where you went to a seafood festival, IIRC).


       
Date: 16 May 2007 16:18:10
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: AC stats
My fav is the SeaTuit "Nag, nag - I'll see tuit farst thang tamara, Mama."
Not sure, but it may be a first cousin to Sea Biscuit?
--
Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
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"Steve Ackman" <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote in message
news:slrnf4m8r9.6rk.steve@sorceror.wizard.dyndns.org...
> In <464a6ddc@nntp.zianet.com>, on Tue, 15 May 2007 20:35:08 -0600,
> bernie wrote:
>
>> I've only see tuits after they have been processed into rounds.
>
> I've also heard of "walk tuits" so guess they don't
> all get processed into rounds. (Best imagined in a
> Jeff Foxworthy voice, "Truck's ina shop, so I guess
> I'll needa walk tuit.") There's also the rare "drive
> tuit" and a few other obscure varieties.
>
>> So, what was it that took you out of the
>> garden city of Shiprock and it's surrounds?
>
> The better question might be what took us there in
> the first place... an IHS contract. That's done, so
> we came back "home" sort of. Deb's at Dartmouth-
> Hitchcock now... and the drive down to the old Diedrich
> where I used to work is about 150 miles (not too far
> from where you went to a seafood festival, IIRC).




 
Date: 13 May 2007 17:25:12
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: AC stats
On May 13, 5:25 pm, Randy G. <f...@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote:
> Steve <n...@use.net> wrote:
> >On 13 May 2007 08:06:15 -0700, Miss Penny <penny...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>who else besides daveb has "damaged" this group? and their OWN
> >>reputations?
>
> >>Not that a rational answer is expected.
>
> >From: "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com>
> >Message-ID: <1172233228.023930.220...@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.150.168.98
>
> >From: Miss Penny <penny...@yahoo.com>
> >Message-ID: <1179068775.278059.84...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.150.170.151
>
> >Your idiocy has reached new lows, Dave b <davebobbl...@gmail.com>
> >www.hitechespresso.com.
>
> >>When persons like fox, rg, "steve", bernie and others call me names, revile
> >>me, assault my business practices, and indulge in ineffective attempts at
> >>character assassination here in this forum -- THEY are the ones who lower
> >>the quality of the content of AC.
>
> >>These accusations are baseless, obsessive and extremely boring.
>
> >>Then there are the cowards such as "steve" (Lars) who hide behind fake names
> >>and made up addresses. they do not deserve to be dignified with a response.
>
> >Idiot.
>
> </understatement> ;-)
>
> He likes to attack me personally here along with the few others who
> regularly stand up to him. But if you look through the archives you
> will see that there is a preponderance of evidence to show that I am
> not alone in my dislike for his anti-social behavior. The majority of
> responses to his manners here have been negative. The number of folks
> fighting with him has lessened over the last year or so because people
> became sick of dealing with this anti-social loser and have left the
> group (or at least, do not post any longer). What he seems to be doing
> is chasing off the regulars who have tried to keep this group a
> valuable place to come for information. Many have left because of his
> attacks.
>
> For the record, once again, let's examine some of his history here:
>
> let's begin with his b personality disorder. Note the indicated
> similarities, taken from separate messages:
>
> ------------------------------------------
> From: joebobfe...@hotmail.com
> Newsgroups: alt.coffee
> Subject: Re: Why the hostility?
> Date: 21 Jan 2005 06:31:03 -0800
> Organization:http://groups.google.com>NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.221.247.245 <----
>
> -------------------------------------------
> From: "DAVE4830" <edna...@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.coffee
> Subject: Re: Why the hostility?
> Date: 21 Jan 2005 06:34:44 -0800
> Organization:http://groups.google.com>NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.221.247.245 <-----
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> From: "PIDFAN" <edna...@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.coffee
> Subject: Re: Question Regarding Adding PID to Sylvia
> Date: 22 Jan 2005 05:15:23 -0800>NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.221.247.103 <------
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> dave - "dave" <edna...@yahoo.com>
> DAVE4830 - "DAVE4830" <edna...@yahoo.com>
> edna713 - "edna713" <edna...@yahoo.com>
> joebobfeeny - joebobfe...@hotmail.com
> PIDFAN - edna...@yahoo.com
>
> He had tried to cover his tracks by frequently changing his screen
> name
> (five back than that I had found) and yet he had the nerve to post the
> following:
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "DAVE4830" <edna...@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.coffee
> Subject: Re: Pardon me
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.221.247.245
>
> HOOK UP?? HERE? not hardly, pal. Just not hiding behind a handle,
> and alt. posts.
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> And we go on to his expert opinions (his statements here follow the
> "--" in each section below:
>
> On dealing with short thermocouple leads:
> -- I also splice #20 -- solder and heat shrink -- on the TC leads,
> then I don't have the stiff tc leads to deal with.
> [info from an electronics engineer who specializes in these things
> stated that this procedure is not acceptable.]
>
> On ventilating the PID box:
> -- Holes are not needed Holes unnecessarily expose the works to water
> and steam things you do not want There is a reason electronic things
> have cases around them
> [PIDs need to sense the air temp and their own cases are ventilated]
>
> Concerning using Silvia:
> -- You do not have to "temp surf " to get decent shots from the
> Silvia
> [Stock Silvias have a very wide brew temp swing like most single
> boiler machines and not controlling that makes getting good espresso
> from them guesswork and luck]
>
> In a thread about leaving Silvia on for extended periods:
> -- ...and no the stock Silvia will not be very happy being on 8 - 9
> hrs /day as it tends to boil out most of the water due to overshoot a
> pid microcontroller cures this issue but will not help with the change
> over from coffee to steam.
> [leaving Silvia on for extended periods is fine as long as there are
> no leaks, and even then, just top off the boiler every few hours.]
>
> When questioned about where the water goes if Silvia is left on:
> -- Out the pressure relief hose back into the boiler!!do you own a
> silvia and: It just keeps going with each cycle of the 'stat!
> [based on the laws of physics, this cannot happen.]
>
> To Barry Jerrett on the Silvia subject above he wrote:
> -- do you own a silvia Barry?oops shoulda asked have you USED silvias
> on the shelf they won't use much water
>
> Demonstrating his lack of understanding of the operation of the
> machines he repairs:
> -- If it is OK to leave the silvia on all the time why is it a
> problem that it does not have an autofill feature?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> And it is not just the fact that he has been wrong (as we all have at
> one time or another), but that he persistently fights al attempts to
> show him that he is wrong. Again, take a look at his statements
> concerning backflushing. Contrast those against his representing
> himself as an "expert" and try to make sense of it. I can't.
>
> Beyond all that drivel, I would say to anyone, if you would like to
> decide for yourself whether you would like to do business with this
> person/company, Google the aliases listed above (go to Google Groups
> for alt.coffee at:>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.coffee
>
> and read his comments to others, particularly when they disagree with
> him. Whether is was backflushing, leaving Silvia on, or most any other
> subject, when faced with facts, data, or statements from recognized
> experts, his responses were negative at best and insulting quite
> often. His first post to this group was Spam and it went down into the
> mud from there.
>
> I would urge you to vote with your dollars and find someone else with
> which to spend your money.
>
> I think this group needs an alt.coffee bot to post a message every
> three or four days warning new visitors to stay clear of him, his
> posts, and his business.
>
> Randy "" G.http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com

isn't this pathetic? rg hauling up posts from over two years ago.

and re: backflushing?

WHY is this guy expending SO much energy?

dave
877 286 2833



  
Date: 14 May 2007 00:34:43
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: AC stats
Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in
news:1179102312.577628.226450@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
> isn't this pathetic? rg hauling up posts from over two years ago.
>
> and re: backflushing?
>
> WHY is this guy expending SO much energy?
>
> dave
> 877 286 2833
>
>

It's sort like driving by a bad car wreck; it's gruesome, makes you sick to
your stomach, & may cause nightmares, but you just have to look.

Sooner or later everyone who'd like to do business with you will see enough
of these posts & put two & two together, realizing that some of the folks
who vilify you might have reason to do so. I know you'll counter that
you've dome however many you've done & point to that as success. But since
you like to think of yourself as a *businessman*, just how many potential
customers do you think we might have already turned away from you. You're a
sad little boy with no future & no past to brag of.

Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

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Date: 13 May 2007 08:06:15
From: Miss Penny
Subject: Re: AC stats
On May 12, 10:31 am, Randy G. <f...@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote:
> Danny <d...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com> wrote:
> >Dave b wrote:
> >> surprising that you can ascribe that much power to that person.
>
> >> just amazing.
>
> >> dave
>
> >Yes, it's amazing. Despite your recent (shallow) attempts at civility
> >you still don't get that you did that much damage, and don't even
> >acknowledge or express regret that you drove so many good posters away.
>
> >It's ok to be wrong, or to change one's opinions over time, and with
> >experience - we've all done that (there probably isn't one person here
> >that wouldn't cringe if they looked at their earliest posts here), but
> >you resolutely refuse to appear human in the group, even trying to
> >walk the high ground now, despite the fact that you are apparently an
> >OK person off-line or in the flesh.
>
> You are a very kind person, Danny. It actually is worse than that. He
> recently denied that any of his motivation was financial, but some of
> you will remember that one of his early "genuine" attempts at civility
> was right after I posted that folks had contacted me stating that
> after reading my posts they decided not to do business with him. He
> got real nice when he realized his attitude here was costing him
> money, but it didn't last long. He seems to get a lot of positive
> feedback on eBay, so it does indeed seem that if you do business with
> him he is quite nice and civil, so money does seem to be some sort of
> motivational factor to him despite his denial of same here. His recent
> attempt at face-to-face 'civility' with me was also very odd after my
> repeated requests that he stay away from me and not attempt to contact
> me.
>
> And with his most recent denial of the damage done to this group, we
> can add delusional to the list of his personal problems.
>
> Randy "three clues for the price of two" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com

how obsessed is randy?

who else besides daveb has "damaged" this group? and their OWN
reputations?

Not that a rational answer is expected.



  
Date: 13 May 2007 15:29:24
From: Steve
Subject: Re: AC stats
On 13 May 2007 08:06:15 -0700, Miss Penny <pennypey@yahoo.com > wrote:

>who else besides daveb has "damaged" this group? and their OWN
>reputations?
>
>Not that a rational answer is expected.


From: "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com >
Message-ID: <1172233228.023930.220620@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.150.168.98

From: Miss Penny <pennypey@yahoo.com >
Message-ID: <1179068775.278059.84560@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com >
NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.150.170.151

Your idiocy has reached new lows, Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com >
www.hitechespresso.com .

>When persons like fox, rg, "steve", bernie and others call me names, revile
>me, assault my business practices, and indulge in ineffective attempts at
>character assassination here in this forum -- THEY are the ones who lower
>the quality of the content of AC.
>
>These accusations are baseless, obsessive and extremely boring.
>
>Then there are the cowards such as "steve" (Lars) who hide behind fake names
>and made up addresses. they do not deserve to be dignified with a response.

Idiot.


   
Date: 13 May 2007 14:25:20
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: AC stats
Steve <not@use.net > wrote:

>On 13 May 2007 08:06:15 -0700, Miss Penny <pennypey@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>who else besides daveb has "damaged" this group? and their OWN
>>reputations?
>>
>>Not that a rational answer is expected.
>
>
>From: "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com>
>Message-ID: <1172233228.023930.220620@z35g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.150.168.98
>
>From: Miss Penny <pennypey@yahoo.com>
>Message-ID: <1179068775.278059.84560@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.150.170.151
>
>Your idiocy has reached new lows, Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com>
>www.hitechespresso.com .
>
>>When persons like fox, rg, "steve", bernie and others call me names, revile
>>me, assault my business practices, and indulge in ineffective attempts at
>>character assassination here in this forum -- THEY are the ones who lower
>>the quality of the content of AC.
>>
>>These accusations are baseless, obsessive and extremely boring.
>>
>>Then there are the cowards such as "steve" (Lars) who hide behind fake names
>>and made up addresses. they do not deserve to be dignified with a response.
>
>Idiot.
</understatement > ;-)


He likes to attack me personally here along with the few others who
regularly stand up to him. But if you look through the archives you
will see that there is a preponderance of evidence to show that I am
not alone in my dislike for his anti-social behavior. The majority of
responses to his manners here have been negative. The number of folks
fighting with him has lessened over the last year or so because people
became sick of dealing with this anti-social loser and have left the
group (or at least, do not post any longer). What he seems to be doing
is chasing off the regulars who have tried to keep this group a
valuable place to come for information. Many have left because of his
attacks.

For the record, once again, let's examine some of his history here:

let's begin with his b personality disorder. Note the indicated
similarities, taken from separate messages:

------------------------------------------
From: joebobfeeny@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.coffee
Subject: Re: Why the hostility?
Date: 21 Jan 2005 06:31:03 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.221.247.245 <----
-------------------------------------------
From: "DAVE4830" <edna713@yahoo.com >
Newsgroups: alt.coffee
Subject: Re: Why the hostility?
Date: 21 Jan 2005 06:34:44 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.221.247.245 <-----
---------------------------------------------
From: "PIDFAN" <edna713@yahoo.com >
Newsgroups: alt.coffee
Subject: Re: Question Regarding Adding PID to Sylvia
Date: 22 Jan 2005 05:15:23 -0800
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.221.247.103 <------
----------------------------------------------


dave - "dave" <edna713@yahoo.com >
DAVE4830 - "DAVE4830" <edna713@yahoo.com >
edna713 - "edna713" <edna713@yahoo.com >
joebobfeeny - joebobfeeny@hotmail.com
PIDFAN - edna713@yahoo.com

He had tried to cover his tracks by frequently changing his screen
name
(five back than that I had found) and yet he had the nerve to post the
following:
--------------------------------------------------
From: "DAVE4830" <edna713@yahoo.com >
Newsgroups: alt.coffee
Subject: Re: Pardon me
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.221.247.245

HOOK UP?? HERE? not hardly, pal. Just not hiding behind a handle,
and alt. posts.
--------------------------------------------------

And we go on to his expert opinions (his statements here follow the
"--" in each section below:

On dealing with short thermocouple leads:
-- I also splice #20 -- solder and heat shrink -- on the TC leads,
then I don't have the stiff tc leads to deal with.
[info from an electronics engineer who specializes in these things
stated that this procedure is not acceptable.]

On ventilating the PID box:
-- Holes are not needed Holes unnecessarily expose the works to water
and steam things you do not want There is a reason electronic things
have cases around them
[PIDs need to sense the air temp and their own cases are ventilated]

Concerning using Silvia:
-- You do not have to "temp surf " to get decent shots from the
Silvia
[Stock Silvias have a very wide brew temp swing like most single
boiler machines and not controlling that makes getting good espresso
from them guesswork and luck]

In a thread about leaving Silvia on for extended periods:
-- ...and no the stock Silvia will not be very happy being on 8 - 9
hrs /day as it tends to boil out most of the water due to overshoot a
pid microcontroller cures this issue but will not help with the change
over from coffee to steam.
[leaving Silvia on for extended periods is fine as long as there are
no leaks, and even then, just top off the boiler every few hours.]

When questioned about where the water goes if Silvia is left on:
-- Out the pressure relief hose back into the boiler!!do you own a
silvia and: It just keeps going with each cycle of the 'stat!
[based on the laws of physics, this cannot happen.]

To Barry Jerrett on the Silvia subject above he wrote:
-- do you own a silvia Barry?oops shoulda asked have you USED silvias
on the shelf they won't use much water

Demonstrating his lack of understanding of the operation of the
machines he repairs:
-- If it is OK to leave the silvia on all the time why is it a
problem that it does not have an autofill feature?

------------------------------------------------------------------------

And it is not just the fact that he has been wrong (as we all have at
one time or another), but that he persistently fights al attempts to
show him that he is wrong. Again, take a look at his statements
concerning backflushing. Contrast those against his representing
himself as an "expert" and try to make sense of it. I can't.

Beyond all that drivel, I would say to anyone, if you would like to
decide for yourself whether you would like to do business with this
person/company, Google the aliases listed above (go to Google Groups
for alt.coffee at:
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.coffee
and read his comments to others, particularly when they disagree with
him. Whether is was backflushing, leaving Silvia on, or most any other
subject, when faced with facts, data, or statements from recognized
experts, his responses were negative at best and insulting quite
often. His first post to this group was Spam and it went down into the
mud from there.

I would urge you to vote with your dollars and find someone else with
which to spend your money.


I think this group needs an alt.coffee bot to post a message every
three or four days warning new visitors to stay clear of him, his
posts, and his business.

Randy "" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




 
Date: 13 May 2007 08:02:16
From: Miss Penny
Subject: Re: AC stats
On May 13, 4:04 am, Danny <d...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote:
> Ken Fox wrote:
>
> -snip-
>
> > I wish I had a good solution to this mess. It sure would be nice to
> > recapture what we once had here. Rather than looking through the rear-view
> > mirror, it sure would be great if someone, anyone, could figure out a way to
> > fix this mess of a ng and return it to its former glory. Maybe some of the
> > former regulars would come back. It would be worth a try, but I have no
> > idea on how to accomplish this.
>
> > A more foreward-looking approach would be very welcome, at least in my view.
>
> > ken
>
> I'm with you, 100%. I too would love to have the friendship and
> genuine helpfulness of this group back. At least in those days if
> someone disagreed with another poster there was usually a good
> natured, spirited discussion about it rather than the immediate
> nastiness and mud slinging that it seems to degenerate to currently.
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> (apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)

yes Danny and you are talking to one of the chief slingers -- fox.



 
Date: 12 May 2007 06:00:01
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: AC stats
stalking my ass.

oh geez, I just really LIKE randy.

amazing that his scraggly beard and stringy hair was the very first
face I saw. upon entering the show at 12:15

BTW there are a half dozen or maybe a few more here who dislike me
intensely. rg leads the chorus.

writes hundreds of words about me, almost daily -- rises to my
comment about backflushing and is SO egotistical that he thinks I
actually sought him out on a trade show floor of over 250,000 sqare
feet.

and then WHINES about it here like a 3 year old -- trying to solicit
support. clearly obesessive and bizarre.

I have my supporters, and hundreds of happy customers.

too bad he is so obsessed.

Dave



  
Date: 12 May 2007 13:18:05
From: Steve
Subject: Re: AC stats
On 12 May 2007 06:00:01 -0700, Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:

>BTW there are a half dozen or maybe a few more here who dislike me
>intensely. rg leads the chorus.

You are such an idiot.


 
Date: 11 May 2007 18:44:06
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: AC stats
surprising that you can ascribe that much power to that person.

just amazing.

dave




  
Date: 12 May 2007 13:03:39
From: Steve
Subject: Re: AC stats
On 11 May 2007 18:44:06 -0700, Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:

>surprising that you can ascribe that much power to that person.
>
>just amazing.
>
>dave
>
Gosh, you're an idiot.


  
Date: 12 May 2007 09:11:54
From: Danny
Subject: Re: AC stats
Dave b wrote:
> surprising that you can ascribe that much power to that person.
>
> just amazing.
>
> dave
>
>

Yes, it's amazing. Despite your recent (shallow) attempts at civility
you still don't get that you did that much damage, and don't even
acknowledge or express regret that you drove so many good posters away.

It's ok to be wrong, or to change one's opinions over time, and with
experience - we've all done that (there probably isn't one person here
that wouldn't cringe if they looked at their earliest posts here), but
you resolutely refuse to appear human in the group, even trying to
walk the high ground now, despite the fact that you are apparently an
OK person off-line or in the flesh.

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



   
Date: 12 May 2007 16:28:12
From: Steve
Subject: Re: AC stats
On Sat, 12 May 2007 09:11:54 +0100, Danny
<danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote:

>Despite your recent (shallow) attempts at civility
>you still don't get that you did that much damage, and don't even
>acknowledge or express regret that you drove so many good posters away.

That's his plan, Danny.
Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com > www.hitechespresso.com has had it in
mind to become the "expert" in alt.coffee as a way to increase his
so-called business base since taking the work of the originators as
his foundation.
When you try to pass yourself off as an expert it helps if the people
that actually know what they are talking about are not around.
It's in Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com > www.hitechespresso.com 's best
interest to empty this group of any truly knowledgeable people.
If he can fool a newbie into believing that he knows more than what is
written on Murph's page, he wins a potential new client.

Not long after Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com > www.hitechespresso.com
took the work of the original creators of the PID concept and
implementation and cobbled an Ebay page together he began to brag on
the Ebay forums that he was "making a fortune".

And that's what it's about for Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com >
www.hitechespresso.com.





    
Date: 12 May 2007 10:42:45
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: AC stats
"Steve" <not@use.net > wrote in message
news:iepb43l4j04qtjelnqg7hbmhcjb3ekv695@4ax.com...
> >
> That's his plan, Danny.

I've managed to avoid reading most of the threads and posts regarding this
individual for the last year or two. It takes me back to the time when I
used to respond to him, leading to nothing but aggravation for myself, and
resulting in several AC regulars letting me know it would be better if I
just stopped responding, which is what I did. I tried to encourage others
to do the same, but over time grew weary of the effort and found that what I
said didn't have any effect, anyway.

It is interesting for me to see how all of this is/has evolved. When I used
to respond to him, I was one of only a couple forum regulars who did. Now
it appears that he has worn out his welcome even more than before, and we
end up with threads like this. No period of time passes anymore without
threads that are or become centered on this individual taking prominence in
the ng. Of course, this is unfortunate and detracts yet further from an
already broken group.

I wish I had a good solution to this mess. It sure would be nice to
recapture what we once had here. Rather than looking through the rear-view
mirror, it sure would be great if someone, anyone, could figure out a way to
fix this mess of a ng and return it to its former glory. Maybe some of the
former regulars would come back. It would be worth a try, but I have no
idea on how to accomplish this.

A more foreward-looking approach would be very welcome, at least in my view.

ken




     
Date: 13 May 2007 09:04:36
From: Danny
Subject: Re: AC stats
Ken Fox wrote:
-snip-
> I wish I had a good solution to this mess. It sure would be nice to
> recapture what we once had here. Rather than looking through the rear-view
> mirror, it sure would be great if someone, anyone, could figure out a way to
> fix this mess of a ng and return it to its former glory. Maybe some of the
> former regulars would come back. It would be worth a try, but I have no
> idea on how to accomplish this.
>
> A more foreward-looking approach would be very welcome, at least in my view.
>
> ken
>
>

I'm with you, 100%. I too would love to have the friendship and
genuine helpfulness of this group back. At least in those days if
someone disagreed with another poster there was usually a good
natured, spirited discussion about it rather than the immediate
nastiness and mud slinging that it seems to degenerate to currently.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



   
Date: 12 May 2007 07:31:16
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: AC stats
Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote:

>Dave b wrote:
>> surprising that you can ascribe that much power to that person.
>>
>> just amazing.
>>
>> dave
>>
>>
>
>Yes, it's amazing. Despite your recent (shallow) attempts at civility
>you still don't get that you did that much damage, and don't even
>acknowledge or express regret that you drove so many good posters away.
>
>It's ok to be wrong, or to change one's opinions over time, and with
>experience - we've all done that (there probably isn't one person here
>that wouldn't cringe if they looked at their earliest posts here), but
>you resolutely refuse to appear human in the group, even trying to
>walk the high ground now, despite the fact that you are apparently an
>OK person off-line or in the flesh.
>

You are a very kind person, Danny. It actually is worse than that. He
recently denied that any of his motivation was financial, but some of
you will remember that one of his early "genuine" attempts at civility
was right after I posted that folks had contacted me stating that
after reading my posts they decided not to do business with him. He
got real nice when he realized his attitude here was costing him
money, but it didn't last long. He seems to get a lot of positive
feedback on eBay, so it does indeed seem that if you do business with
him he is quite nice and civil, so money does seem to be some sort of
motivational factor to him despite his denial of same here. His recent
attempt at face-to-face 'civility' with me was also very odd after my
repeated requests that he stay away from me and not attempt to contact
me.

And with his most recent denial of the damage done to this group, we
can add delusional to the list of his personal problems.


Randy "three clues for the price of two" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




 
Date: 09 May 2007 23:15:31
From: Max
Subject: Re: AC stats
Steve wrote:

> A lot of groups have weekly postings of their
>article and author stats with various formats and info
>collected/displayed.
>
> Is there any interest in seeing something like this
>here?

Yes, I think it's pretty cool. If it isn't too much trouble for
you, keep doing it.



 
Date: 08 May 2007 21:04:24
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: AC stats

"Steve Ackman" <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote in message
news:slrnf40ts9.3f6.steve@sorceror.wizard.dyndns.org...
> A lot of groups have weekly postings of their
> article and author stats with various formats and info
> collected/displayed.
>
> Is there any interest in seeing something like this
> here?
>
Not much response but none negative...

3 posts and I'm in the top 20? damn! no-one posts any more.





  
Date: 10 May 2007 10:45:15
From: bernie
Subject: Re: AC stats
Johnny wrote:
> "Steve Ackman" <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnf40ts9.3f6.steve@sorceror.wizard.dyndns.org...
>
>> A lot of groups have weekly postings of their
>>article and author stats with various formats and info
>>collected/displayed.
>>
>> Is there any interest in seeing something like this
>>here?
>>
>
> Not much response but none negative...
>
> 3 posts and I'm in the top 20? damn! no-one posts any more.
>
>
>


Sad state of affairs. Read the stats and you can easily discern that
one particular individual has almost single-handedly ruined what used to
be a wonderful group. Take a look at the top volume of responses and
thread content and it goes to a nasty, self-serving and self-promoting
poster. Then look back at his threads and see which ones contain nothing
but negativity, self-promotion and divisivness. The folks who used to
post a lot here and had a hell of a lot to offer are largely gone. They
grew weary of the childishness and pathos this character spews. I
haven't responded to his posts in quite some time, having grown tired of
his pathological need to impress and his neediness in general. We used
to be a community of genial but spirited lovers of coffee and things
coffee until this character showed up. His relentless diatribes, his
hatred, his invective, his childishness and constant negativity has
taken it's toll. I don't blame those who have abandoned this once great
group and gone to private and monitored groups where civil discourse is
the norm. It is so sad that he has been allowed by his sheer force of
grinding monontony and invective to drive away those posters who used to
frequent the group and add so much. Now all we get from him is the
"watch me" or "stay tuned" self promotions of a fraud. So, as far as
posting stats my view is it will just be another avenue for this
charlatan to add a script to his running tally of how many machines he
has PID'd and shoves in our faces every chance.
Bernie


   
Date: 11 May 2007 17:28:34
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: AC stats
It is sad, indeed. One anti-social, self promoting fool has turned
what use to be an extremely valuable resource into what is becoming a
wasteland. I spotted him for what he was after about his second or
third post and his subsequent participation here has proved me
correct. Not only spamming under his own name but using that of
another respected business as well, somewhat running down the value of
that name, temporarily anyway. The self-promotion Spams are bad
enough, but the mass of inaccurate and wrong advice under the guise of
being a 'professional' makes it all the worse. it would be fairly easy
for us to ignore his drivel, but allowing it to exist unquestioned
just fills the archives with inaccurate information, and without
rebuttals it would appear to a newbie visitor that these incorrect
statements were accurate.

Three and four years ago I use to be proud of being at the top of the
list of participants here. But in the last year or two the group
statistics have only been valuable to prove that quantity does not at
all indicate quality. Many regulars have gone off to other avenues of
information and it has caused a deterioration here. I suppose it could
be worse- he could be stalking YOU as well... :-/

I use to recommend this group as a valuable resource but no longer
feel comfortable recommending it to friends or acquaintances. I send
them to HB or CoffeeGeek where the moderated nature of the group
precludes anti-social behavior.

I met a person working at a vendor booth at Long Beach and he said he
had Googled this person's name and after reading about ten posts he
closed the page. His comment to me was, "What the F... is this guy's
problem?" What, indeed? it didn't take him long, and I have to assume
that he is not alone in his opinion which would be a factor in this
group's low activity level..


Randy "work to defeat ignorance, but kick stupidity in the ass" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com



bernie <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote:
>
> Sad state of affairs. Read the stats and you can easily discern that
>one particular individual has almost single-handedly ruined what used to
>be a wonderful group. Take a look at the top volume of responses and
>thread content and it goes to a nasty, self-serving and self-promoting
>poster. Then look back at his threads and see which ones contain nothing
>but negativity, self-promotion and divisivness. The folks who used to
>post a lot here and had a hell of a lot to offer are largely gone. They
>grew weary of the childishness and pathos this character spews. I
>haven't responded to his posts in quite some time, having grown tired of
>his pathological need to impress and his neediness in general. We used
>to be a community of genial but spirited lovers of coffee and things
>coffee until this character showed up. His relentless diatribes, his
>hatred, his invective, his childishness and constant negativity has
>taken it's toll. I don't blame those who have abandoned this once great
>group and gone to private and monitored groups where civil discourse is
>the norm. It is so sad that he has been allowed by his sheer force of
>grinding monontony and invective to drive away those posters who used to
>frequent the group and add so much. Now all we get from him is the
>"watch me" or "stay tuned" self promotions of a fraud. So, as far as
>posting stats my view is it will just be another avenue for this
>charlatan to add a script to his running tally of how many machines he
>has PID'd and shoves in our faces every chance.
>Bernie


    
Date: 15 May 2007 12:40:11
From: Steve Johnson
Subject: Re: AC stats
On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:28:34 -0700, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com >
wrote:

<stuff snipped >
>
>I use to recommend this group as a valuable resource but no longer
>feel comfortable recommending it to friends or acquaintances. I send
>them to HB or CoffeeGeek where the moderated nature of the group
>precludes anti-social behavior.

Coffeegeek is interesting for me -- but it's not like the USENET group
where I can pull all the messages down and read even if not connected
to internet -- I never was a major contributor, but have lurked for
many years. Now I'm more aggresively using filters to try and
find content quicker --

Arrgg -- HB ? -- is this home-barista.com ?

My problem -- if it is -- I cannot access from the office ; see below
======================================

Websense Enterprise
Your organization's Internet use policy restricts access to this web
page at this time.


Reason:


The Websense category "Society and Lifestyles" is filtered.


URL:


http://www.home-barista.com/


==================================

Steve " being protected from myself " Johnson



    
Date: 12 May 2007 16:06:38
From:
Subject: Re: AC stats
Alert! Alert! Now Hear This: This is usenet. It would not be usenet if
there wasn't someone to pile onto. It's the nature of the lowly beast.
Those of you who think that it's anything else (google groups? be
serious) just got off the virtual boat.

Anyone who doesn't like it can go elsewhere. It's called voting with
your feet. But to ascribe the decline of the group to a single
individual is absurd. Usenet is an obsolete forum for the most part.
It's been replaced by the moderated groups, as many have noticed.
There may still be those who like the anarchic nature of usenet. There
may still be those who are willing to say something stinks when it's
clearly self-serving bullshit without having to put up with some
bullshiting moderator who may be offended. But, for the
touchy-feely-let's-not-offend-anyone bunch it's the wrong place.
Probably good idea to go elsewhere. But don't start with that whiney
"I miss the good old days" crapola, please.

I do notice that it remains a good place to drop into an appropriate
group, ask a naive question, and get a answer. As long as the group is
active there are still a few oldtimers (complaining, as always, about
the loss of the good old days) who enjoy sharing their knowledge. Sure
a lot of condescending smarminess will come with it (Hello Randy), but
in any active group, someone (or some dozen) will respond. Hell of a
good way to get up to speed on something new to you quickly. Just
leave your thin skin in the closet.

Usenet will survive however. Why? Because it remains the premiere
source of music and films. Anarchy reigns and no money changes hands,
ever. So, the suits in hollywood simply cannot begin to deal with it.
But that's a different usenet, isn't it?



On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:28:34 -0700, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com >
wrote:

>It is sad, indeed. One anti-social, self promoting fool has turned
>what use to be an extremely valuable resource into what is becoming a
>wasteland. I spotted him for what he was after about his second or
>third post and his subsequent participation here has proved me
>correct. Not only spamming under his own name but using that of
>another respected business as well, somewhat running down the value of
>that name, temporarily anyway. The self-promotion Spams are bad
>enough, but the mass of inaccurate and wrong advice under the guise of
>being a 'professional' makes it all the worse. it would be fairly easy
>for us to ignore his drivel, but allowing it to exist unquestioned
>just fills the archives with inaccurate information, and without
>rebuttals it would appear to a newbie visitor that these incorrect
>statements were accurate.
>
>Three and four years ago I use to be proud of being at the top of the
>list of participants here. But in the last year or two the group
>statistics have only been valuable to prove that quantity does not at
>all indicate quality. Many regulars have gone off to other avenues of
>information and it has caused a deterioration here. I suppose it could
>be worse- he could be stalking YOU as well... :-/
>
>I use to recommend this group as a valuable resource but no longer
>feel comfortable recommending it to friends or acquaintances. I send
>them to HB or CoffeeGeek where the moderated nature of the group
>precludes anti-social behavior.
>
>I met a person working at a vendor booth at Long Beach and he said he
>had Googled this person's name and after reading about ten posts he
>closed the page. His comment to me was, "What the F... is this guy's
>problem?" What, indeed? it didn't take him long, and I have to assume
>that he is not alone in his opinion which would be a factor in this
>group's low activity level..
>
>
> Randy "work to defeat ignorance, but kick stupidity in the ass" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>
>
>bernie <bdigman@zianet.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sad state of affairs. Read the stats and you can easily discern that
>>one particular individual has almost single-handedly ruined what used to
>>be a wonderful group. Take a look at the top volume of responses and
>>thread content and it goes to a nasty, self-serving and self-promoting
>>poster. Then look back at his threads and see which ones contain nothing
>>but negativity, self-promotion and divisivness. The folks who used to
>>post a lot here and had a hell of a lot to offer are largely gone. They
>>grew weary of the childishness and pathos this character spews. I
>>haven't responded to his posts in quite some time, having grown tired of
>>his pathological need to impress and his neediness in general. We used
>>to be a community of genial but spirited lovers of coffee and things
>>coffee until this character showed up. His relentless diatribes, his
>>hatred, his invective, his childishness and constant negativity has
>>taken it's toll. I don't blame those who have abandoned this once great
>>group and gone to private and monitored groups where civil discourse is
>>the norm. It is so sad that he has been allowed by his sheer force of
>>grinding monontony and invective to drive away those posters who used to
>>frequent the group and add so much. Now all we get from him is the
>>"watch me" or "stay tuned" self promotions of a fraud. So, as far as
>>posting stats my view is it will just be another avenue for this
>>charlatan to add a script to his running tally of how many machines he
>>has PID'd and shoves in our faces every chance.
>>Bernie





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Date: 11 May 2007 20:12:10
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: AC stats

"Randy G." <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote in message
news:ge1a439g4n96haurjn5gasljb12ngoc5up@4ax.com...
> bernie <bdigman@zianet.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sad state of affairs. Read the stats and you can easily discern that
> >one particular individual has almost single-handedly ruined what used to
> >be a wonderful group.
>
>"Randy G." <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com> wrote
> It is sad, indeed. One anti-social, self promoting fool has turned
> what use to be an extremely valuable resource into what is becoming a
> wasteland. I spotted him for what he was after about his second or
> third post and his subsequent participation here has proved me
> correct. Not only spamming under his own name but using that of
> another respected business as well, somewhat running down the value of
> that name, temporarily anyway. The self-promotion Spams are bad
> enough, but the mass of inaccurate and wrong advice under the guise of
> being a 'professional' makes it all the worse. it would be fairly easy
> for us to ignore his drivel, but allowing it to exist unquestioned
> just fills the archives with inaccurate information, and without
> rebuttals it would appear to a newbie visitor that these incorrect
> statements were accurate.
>
> Three and four years ago I use to be proud of being at the top of the
> list of participants here. But in the last year or two the group
> statistics have only been valuable to prove that quantity does not at
> all indicate quality. Many regulars have gone off to other avenues of
> information and it has caused a deterioration here. I suppose it could
> be worse- he could be stalking YOU as well... :-/
>
> I use to recommend this group as a valuable resource but no longer
> feel comfortable recommending it to friends or acquaintances. I send
> them to HB or CoffeeGeek where the moderated nature of the group
> precludes anti-social behavior.
>
> I met a person working at a vendor booth at Long Beach and he said he
> had Googled this person's name and after reading about ten posts he
> closed the page. His comment to me was, "What the F... is this guy's
> problem?" What, indeed? it didn't take him long, and I have to assume
> that he is not alone in his opinion which would be a factor in this
> group's low activity level..
>
>
> Randy "work to defeat ignorance, but kick stupidity in the ass" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>
>

Missed you at the SCAA but then I was only there Saturday looking at the
booths.

Like many others here I don't see his posts only others replies to them
quoting him.
Perhaps we need an inclusiion in the alt-coffee-bot text warning newbies ;-)
I still like this group but Ken is right about where the action is mostly
these days: elsewhere.

Johnny




     
Date: 11 May 2007 22:25:42
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: AC stats
"Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com > wrote:

>Missed you at the SCAA but then I was only there Saturday looking at the
>booths.
>
I was REALLY busy both days. There were so many people I had to see, a
number of others I wanted to make contact with, and I spent a number
of hours each day working with the Hottop folks. Even getting onto the
floor early with an exhibitor pass I still didn't get to talk with all
the vendors I would have liked to.

I did get to talk with a number of folks whom I had 'met' here on
alt.coffee and in other online venues over the years but never got a
face to face with- it was really great. For the first time I had
really felt the impact I had made in the world of coffee. Sure, it's a
small impact, all things considered, but it is still so much fun to be
able to take a hobby (if you want to call it that) and have so much
fun with it, and yet still make a little money on the side doing it as
well.


>Like many others here I don't see his posts only others replies to them
>quoting him.
>
I was not so lucky. Even after making it QUITE clear last year at
Charlotte that I wanted nothing to do with him, and even after
numerous posts here (on and off for about the last 18 months) stating
I wanted him to leave me alone, and after a number of E-Mails to him
telling him I did not wish communication with him of ANY sort, he
STILL walked up to me in Long Beach and tried to enter in some sort of
apologetic dialogue. No need to enter into the details here, but the
witnesses around me stated that my point to him was quite clear this
time and that there was no way to mistake the meaning of what I said.

[STALK v. - To follow or observe (a person) persistently, especially
out of obsession or derangement.]

>Perhaps we need an inclusiion in the alt-coffee-bot text warning newbies ;-)
>
Re-worded cigarette side-panel warnings would be a start.

>I still like this group but Ken is right about where the action is mostly
>these days: elsewhere.
>
And that is just so sad, but I suppose that when someone walks through
the dog run with disregard as to what is under foot and then tracks it
over the white carpeting in the Beverly Hills mansion, the plate of
caviar at the other end of the room loses its appeal. Anyone know of
an effective Internet carpet cleaning service?

I suppose he won't be happy until he is the only one left and the
group becomes his personal billboard.


Randy "some new stuff coming to my website soon" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
^ still non-commercial as always!




      
Date: 11 May 2007 23:04:50
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: AC stats

"Randy G." <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote in message
news:dria43l1fjliq024gbndicr0g9in2tduto@4ax.com...
<snip/ >
>I suppose that when someone walks through
> the dog run with disregard as to what is under foot and then tracks it
> over the white carpeting in the Beverly Hills mansion, the plate of
> caviar at the other end of the room loses its appeal. Anyone know of
> an effective Internet carpet cleaning service?
>

Maybe Steve Ackman could host a filtered version of alt.coffee on his server
;-)





       
Date: 12 May 2007 09:22:33
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: AC stats
In <9Nc1i.12077$%P1.1847@newsfe07.phx >, on Fri, 11 May 2007 23:04:50
-0700, Johnny wrote:
>
> Maybe Steve Ackman could host a filtered version of alt.coffee on his server
> ;-)

Actually, I did approach my web host about allowing
a news.twoloonscoffee.com which would just carry
alt.coffee -- they didn't go for it.

My LAN news server has been allowing DB for several
months. For reasons I won't bore you with, I decided
to filter DB at the client instead of the server.
I do server-filter X-posts over 4 though... so I
don't end up carrying a lot of the *really OT* crap,
for instance, whatever it was that KF recently
complained about.

Over the years, I've extended the offer several
times to alties who were experiencing difficulties
with their servers to access alt.coffee here, so yeah...
it's certainly been known to happen.


        
Date: 13 May 2007 06:52:28
From: F3
Subject: Re: AC stats
It is possible to have a mailing-list feed a newsgroup. Lightlink.com
has had a list feeding alt.clearing.technology for years. That way,
list-members don't get spammed but public still get the contributions.

I've been reading this group since the early 90s and would hate to see
it dwindle to nothing. Any chance of getting weekly digests posted
here from the more popular web-forums? It could cross-pollinate
those lists and provide more on-topic and accurate info here.

Lastly, Steve, I've always appreciated your contributions.
Many regulars here and gone deserve such acknowledgment.

F3


Steve Ackman wrote:
> In <9Nc1i.12077$%P1.1847@newsfe07.phx>, on Fri, 11 May 2007 23:04:50
> -0700, Johnny wrote:
>> Maybe Steve Ackman could host a filtered version of alt.coffee on his server
>> ;-)
>
> Actually, I did approach my web host about allowing
> a news.twoloonscoffee.com which would just carry
> alt.coffee -- they didn't go for it.
>
> My LAN news server has been allowing DB for several
> months. For reasons I won't bore you with, I decided
> to filter DB at the client instead of the server.
> I do server-filter X-posts over 4 though... so I
> don't end up carrying a lot of the *really OT* crap,
> for instance, whatever it was that KF recently
> complained about.
>
> Over the years, I've extended the offer several
> times to alties who were experiencing difficulties
> with their servers to access alt.coffee here, so yeah...
> it's certainly been known to happen.


         
Date: 14 May 2007 01:55:46
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: AC stats
In <d9ce6$4646fbfc$4088db4f$26299@EVERESTKC.NET >, on Sun, 13 May 2007
06:52:28 -0500, F3 wrote:
> It is possible to have a mailing-list feed a newsgroup.

It's been about 7 years since I participated in the
MySQL newsgroup(s) but IIRC, that was the only way to
post to them.

> Lightlink.com
> has had a list feeding alt.clearing.technology for years. That way,
> list-members don't get spammed but public still get the contributions.

If you want to use your newsreader, you still get
the redundancy of everything showing up in your inbox
though right? ISTR that was something I didn't like
about the MySQL group/list.

> Lastly, Steve, I've always appreciated your contributions.

Thanks, that makes at least one. ;-)



          
Date: 20 May 2007 05:25:20
From: F3
Subject: Re: AC stats
Steve Ackman wrote:

> If you want to use your newsreader, you still get
> the redundancy of everything showing up in your inbox
> though right? ISTR that was something I didn't like
> about the MySQL group/list.
>

This is true. And list-only readers would miss chances to correct
misinformation posted to the newsgroup. Still, it would allow more
info to change hands.

F3


          
Date: 13 May 2007 23:48:14
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: AC stats

"Steve Ackman" <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote in message
news:slrnf4fug1.5l8.steve@sorceror.wizard.dyndns.org...
> Thanks, that makes at least one. ;-)

make that at least two. ;-) I've appreciated your contributions here for
quite a while now. Several very interesting threads instigated by you as I
recall. Liked your pressure vs boiling temp scripts and the freezing coffee
tests. Lots of great stuff. Keep it up.




           
Date: 15 May 2007 15:39:05
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: AC stats
In <3CT1i.302541$JN6.38885@newsfe17.phx >, on Sun, 13 May 2007 23:48:14
-0700, Johnny wrote:
>
> I've appreciated your contributions here for quite a while now.

Thanks.

> Keep it up.

You never know when something will come along to
pique the curiosity, or just plain "needs" addressing.



        
Date: 12 May 2007 08:18:40
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: AC stats
"Steve Ackman" <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote in message
news:slrnf4bftp.5l8.steve@sorceror.wizard.dyndns.org...
>> I do server-filter X-posts over 4 though... so I
> don't end up carrying a lot of the *really OT* crap,
> for instance, whatever it was that KF recently
> complained about.
>

I think you are referring to a trolling thread that was crossposted among
several groups and had "Starbucks" in the title. An AC regular got into a
personal religious discussion with someone else who happened to be from
alt.atheism or somesuch, a group to which it had been crossposted. I've
been reading and posting to this ng so infrequently that I didn't notice
that it was a multi-crosspost, and when the a.c. regular was called various
names I posted that this was unacceptable.

When you no longer participate much in usenet, it is easy to overlook stuff
like crossposts.




         
Date: 14 May 2007 00:37:26
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: AC stats
In <5am0lsF2ojrj9U1@mid.individual.net >, on Sat, 12 May 2007 08:18:40
-0600, Ken Fox wrote:

> I think you are referring to a trolling thread that was crossposted among
> several groups and had "Starbucks" in the title.

So once again, filtering crossposts served its
intended purpose; I didn't see what sounds like
something I had no interest in seeing. :-)


       
Date: 12 May 2007 09:15:15
From: Danny
Subject: Re: AC stats
Johnny wrote:

> Maybe Steve Ackman could host a filtered version of alt.coffee on his server
> ;-)
>
>
>

That would be a bad idea. You can filter what you like here anyway,
but it won't do anything to resolve the issues that hurt the group in
the first place.

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



        
Date: 12 May 2007 08:08:10
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: AC stats

"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:5albdfF2pe81sU2@mid.individual.net...
> Johnny wrote:
>
> > Maybe Steve Ackman could host a filtered version of alt.coffee on his
server
> > ;-)
> >
> >
> >
>
> That would be a bad idea. You can filter what you like here anyway,
> but it won't do anything to resolve the issues that hurt the group in
> the first place.
>

Hi Danny,

I guess you missed the wink ;-) I was not seriously suggesting that as a
solution.


However such a scheme, at least a variation on that, does work. I'll
elaborate on where what I suggested, jokingly with no intention of it ever
happening, heads == > to a site such as coffeegeek,homebarista, the forum
version of sweet marias mailing list,etc., i.e., a moderated group where
posters can be erased if they don't behave themselves as defined by the
owner or moderator.
But that is a lot of work for the host of such. Not my cup of tea thanks.
<grin > alt.coffee.moderated
and you can be the moderator Danny :-) and then you can censor me when I
offend you. :-) but I hope you'll still pull me a shot from your trailer
when I visit maybe mid 2008....

and now back to talk of coffee which is what we come here for. This morning
I tried some of the Brazil #16 placegetter in the recent COE competition
rested 12 hours after roasting in a split wired 1400W Wherever pumper. 4.0
oz == > 3.3 oz. quite good after such a short rest. presspot-brewed. good wet
aroma, ceamy mouthfeel, well-balanced. I'm looking forward to more of that.





         
Date: 13 May 2007 09:06:56
From: Danny
Subject: Re: AC stats
Johnny wrote:

> Hi Danny,
>
> I guess you missed the wink ;-) I was not seriously suggesting that as a
> solution.
>
>
> However such a scheme, at least a variation on that, does work. I'll
> elaborate on where what I suggested, jokingly with no intention of it ever
> happening, heads ==> to a site such as coffeegeek,homebarista, the forum
> version of sweet marias mailing list,etc., i.e., a moderated group where
> posters can be erased if they don't behave themselves as defined by the
> owner or moderator.
> But that is a lot of work for the host of such. Not my cup of tea thanks.
> <grin> alt.coffee.moderated
> and you can be the moderator Danny :-) and then you can censor me when I
> offend you. :-) but I hope you'll still pull me a shot from your trailer
> when I visit maybe mid 2008....

I'll gladly pull shots for you when you visit :)

Actually, I much prefer usenet to forums, where moderation can in
itself lead to ill-feeling. And you can't easily moderate usenet
groups...

>
> and now back to talk of coffee which is what we come here for. This morning
> I tried some of the Brazil #16 placegetter in the recent COE competition
> rested 12 hours after roasting in a split wired 1400W Wherever pumper. 4.0
> oz ==> 3.3 oz. quite good after such a short rest. presspot-brewed. good wet
> aroma, ceamy mouthfeel, well-balanced. I'm looking forward to more of that.

Never was much good at roasting ;)


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



   
Date: 10 May 2007 11:35:41
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: AC stats
"bernie" <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote in message
news:46434c1b@nntp.zianet.com...
>> Sad state of affairs. Read the stats and you can easily discern that
> one particular individual has almost single-handedly ruined what used to
> be a wonderful group. Take a look at the top volume of responses and
> thread content and it goes to a nasty, self-serving and self-promoting
> poster. Then look back at his threads and see which ones contain nothing
> but negativity, self-promotion and divisivness. The folks who used to post
> a lot here and had a hell of a lot to offer are largely gone. They grew
> weary of the childishness and pathos this character spews. I haven't
> responded to his posts in quite some time, having grown tired of his
> pathological need to impress and his neediness in general. We used to be a
> community of genial but spirited lovers of coffee and things coffee until
> this character showed up. His relentless diatribes, his hatred, his
> invective, his childishness and constant negativity has taken it's toll. I
> don't blame those who have abandoned this once great group and gone to
> private and monitored groups where civil discourse is the norm. It is so
> sad that he has been allowed by his sheer force of grinding monontony and
> invective to drive away those posters who used to frequent the group and
> add so much. Now all we get from him is the "watch me" or "stay tuned"
> self promotions of a fraud. So, as far as posting stats my view is it will
> just be another avenue for this charlatan to add a script to his running
> tally of how many machines he has PID'd and shoves in our faces every
> chance.
> Bernie

I hear you Bernie, but it is a lost cause, unfortunately. The sorts of
behavior to which you refer would not be tolerated on the moderated forums.
I especially like HB, and suggest you have a look at it.

ken




    
Date: 10 May 2007 13:42:35
From: bernie
Subject: Re: AC stats
Ken Fox wrote:
> "bernie" <bdigman@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:46434c1b@nntp.zianet.com...
>
>>> Sad state of affairs. Read the stats and you can easily discern that
>>
>>one particular individual has almost single-handedly ruined what used to
>>be a wonderful group. Take a look at the top volume of responses and
>>thread content and it goes to a nasty, self-serving and self-promoting
>>poster. Then look back at his threads and see which ones contain nothing
>>but negativity, self-promotion and divisivness. The folks who used to post
>>a lot here and had a hell of a lot to offer are largely gone. They grew
>>weary of the childishness and pathos this character spews. I haven't
>>responded to his posts in quite some time, having grown tired of his
>>pathological need to impress and his neediness in general. We used to be a
>>community of genial but spirited lovers of coffee and things coffee until
>>this character showed up. His relentless diatribes, his hatred, his
>>invective, his childishness and constant negativity has taken it's toll. I
>>don't blame those who have abandoned this once great group and gone to
>>private and monitored groups where civil discourse is the norm. It is so
>>sad that he has been allowed by his sheer force of grinding monontony and
>>invective to drive away those posters who used to frequent the group and
>>add so much. Now all we get from him is the "watch me" or "stay tuned"
>>self promotions of a fraud. So, as far as posting stats my view is it will
>>just be another avenue for this charlatan to add a script to his running
>>tally of how many machines he has PID'd and shoves in our faces every
>>chance.
>>Bernie
>
>
> I hear you Bernie, but it is a lost cause, unfortunately. The sorts of
> behavior to which you refer would not be tolerated on the moderated forums.
> I especially like HB, and suggest you have a look at it.
>
> ken
>
>

Ah, well. Pursuer of lost causes and beater of dead horses. That
would be me. I did take a look at HB and was impressed. Liked your
article on fresh vs. frozen espresso. Nicely done, Ken. That's the sort
of stuff I miss here.
Bernie


     
Date: 10 May 2007 14:55:08
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: AC stats
"bernie" <bdigman@zianet.com > wrote in message
news:464375ac@nntp.zianet.com...
>>
> Ah, well. Pursuer of lost causes and beater of dead horses. That would
> be me. I did take a look at HB and was impressed. Liked your article on
> fresh vs. frozen espresso. Nicely done, Ken. That's the sort of stuff I
> miss here.
> Bernie

You might also find coffeed.com to be of interest. You'd have to contact
the owner (Alistair) to get registered. The emphasis is a bit too much
"third-wave cafe" for me and I don't post there but occasionally use the
search function if I'm seeking information or opinions. Don't know if you
would like it, have a look.

CG seems to have its own solar system in which my planet does not orbit:-)

All in all, HB is probably the most useful. If there are more pros such as
yourself who might desire their own "pro" type forum, Dan could possibly be
convinced to add one to the list, although the more individual forums
present, the more the information gets fragmented.

ken




      
Date: 11 May 2007 18:40:54
From: North Sullivan
Subject: Re: AC stats
On Thu, 10 May 2007 14:55:08 -0600, "Ken Fox"
<morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote:


>All in all, HB is probably the most useful. If there are more pros such as
>yourself who might desire their own "pro" type forum, Dan could possibly be
>convinced to add one to the list, although the more individual forums
>present, the more the information gets fragmented.
>
>ken
>

I still like alt.coffee, even though I don't post much anymore.
There's something comforting alt.coffee; it's the only newsgroup that
I read. Eventually, the pendulum will swing, and it'll come back.
Or not. I'm going to keep hanging around. I do think about the
people who used to hang around here five or six years ago and wonder
what happened to them. It used to be a pleasant task reading the 100
posts per day. Glad to see Richard back here posting.

North Sulllivan
(done with espresso for the day; sipping Italian wine at night)


       
Date: 13 May 2007 20:33:26
From: Moka Java
Subject: Re: AC stats
North Sullivan wrote:
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 14:55:08 -0600, "Ken Fox"
> <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> All in all, HB is probably the most useful. If there are more pros such as
>> yourself who might desire their own "pro" type forum, Dan could possibly be
>> convinced to add one to the list, although the more individual forums
>> present, the more the information gets fragmented.
>>
>> ken
>>
>
> I still like alt.coffee, even though I don't post much anymore.
> There's something comforting alt.coffee; it's the only newsgroup that
> I read. Eventually, the pendulum will swing, and it'll come back.
> Or not. I'm going to keep hanging around. I do think about the
> people who used to hang around here five or six years ago and wonder
> what happened to them. It used to be a pleasant task reading the 100
> posts per day. Glad to see Richard back here posting.
>
> North Sulllivan
> (done with espresso for the day; sipping Italian wine at night)

Hi North. Nice to see you posting again too. Not to mention Dave Ross.
Responding to this thread in general, it isn't any one person who has
caused the downfall of a.c and to think so is deluding yourself. More
damaging, to a.c in general and some ReGulars in particular, is the
continuous and vitriolic responses to Dave. I've managed to lose a lot
of respect for some ReGulars more than develop a hatred for Dave. If
you simply posted around him rather than at him the spam would not be so
magnified.

Apart from that, the internet is a different place than it was 7 or 8
years ago when I began to read and post here. There are more web forums
and there's much more information is available on-line in general. Few
people even know what usent is and fewer still ever read and post to it.
Is usenet an anachronism that will wither and die? I dunno.

A.c was never a perfect place. There was always a harangue or 2 or 3.
What I find missing of late is the humor. Randy, you used to be funny!

R "done with posting for the day, gonna finish my glass of Italian wine
and watch the Sopranos" TF


  
Date: 09 May 2007 08:44:04
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: AC stats
In <MKb0i.259075$115.163422@newsfe10.phx >, on Tue, 8 May 2007 21:04:24
-0700, Johnny wrote:

> 3 posts and I'm in the top 20? damn! no-one posts any more.

Lots of people were at SCAA this weekend. I'm sure
that skews the numbers.


   
Date: 09 May 2007 07:04:57
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: AC stats

"Steve Ackman" <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote in message
news:slrnf43ghe.3f6.steve@sorceror.wizard.dyndns.org...
> In <MKb0i.259075$115.163422@newsfe10.phx>, on Tue, 8 May 2007 21:04:24
> -0700, Johnny wrote:
>
> > 3 posts and I'm in the top 20? damn! no-one posts any more.
>
> Lots of people were at SCAA this weekend. I'm sure
> that skews the numbers.

Yep I couldn't post when I was there ;-) but Bob Yellin OTOH was posting
from there to the GCC forums.

Please do keep doing this regularly long as it's not too much work for you.
Hopefully it's a script you run.






    
Date: 09 May 2007 18:18:40
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: AC stats
In <Nxk0i.281718$JN6.221236@newsfe17.phx >, on Wed, 9 May 2007 07:04:57
-0700, Johnny wrote:
>
> Please do keep doing this regularly long as it's not too much work for you.
> Hopefully it's a script you run.

Yup, as easy as editing the script for the number of
days to analyze, and then saving the ouput to a file
which I can import to the newsreader... or eventually
I'll probably just automate it via a cron job.



     
Date: 14 May 2007 15:10:46
From: JC Dill
Subject: Re: AC stats
On Wed, 9 May 2007 18:18:40 -0400, Steve Ackman
<steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote:

>In <Nxk0i.281718$JN6.221236@newsfe17.phx>, on Wed, 9 May 2007 07:04:57
>-0700, Johnny wrote:
>>
>> Please do keep doing this regularly long as it's not too much work for you.
>> Hopefully it's a script you run.
>
> Yup, as easy as editing the script for the number of
>days to analyze, and then saving the ouput to a file
>which I can import to the newsreader... or eventually
>I'll probably just automate it via a cron job.

I like seeing these reports - they seem to work best if they are
monthly. Weekly reports tend to generate too many posts about where
someone is on this week's report. IMHO, etc.

Thanks!

jc

--

"The nice thing about a mare is you get to ride a lot
of different horses without having to own that many."
~ Eileen Morgan of The Mare's Nest, PA


      
Date: 15 May 2007 15:41:12
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: AC stats
In <nhnh439i25oh4ckepmcqfb9fqp4tq2bhca@4ax.com >, on Mon, 14 May 2007
15:10:46 -0700, JC Dill wrote:

> I like seeing these reports - they seem to work best if they are
> monthly.

I'm initially planning on weekly, monthly, yearly.

> Weekly reports tend to generate too many posts about where
> someone is on this week's report. IMHO, etc.

That doesn't seem to be a problem at this point, but
I can always stretch it out to 10 days or fornightly
if that changes.



    
Date: 09 May 2007 17:54:36
From: Moka Java
Subject: Re: AC stats
Johnny wrote:

>
> Bob Yellin OTOH was posting
> from there to the GCC forums.
>

What is GCC?

R "acronimbicil" TF


     
Date: 09 May 2007 19:01:39
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: AC stats

"Moka Java" <rtwatches@fishyahoo.com > wrote in message
news:5aeua2F2o50j8U1@mid.individual.net...
> Johnny wrote:
>
> >
> > Bob Yellin OTOH was posting
> > from there to the GCC forums.
> >
>
> What is GCC?
>
sorry.
green coffee coop




  
Date: 10 May 2007 00:10:56
From: Brent
Subject: Re: AC stats
>> A lot of groups have weekly postings of their
>> article and author stats with various formats and info
>> collected/displayed.
>>
>> Is there any interest in seeing something like this
>> here?
>>
> Not much response but none negative...
>
> 3 posts and I'm in the top 20? damn! no-one posts any more.
>
>

Depends,

Like a few people I suspect, I read and post from multiple machines, so I am
not necessarily going to get tagged as a "group"

Brent





   
Date: 09 May 2007 09:33:41
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: AC stats
In <5ads2mF2o4cdtU1@mid.individual.net >, on Thu, 10 May 2007 00:10:56
+1200, Brent wrote:

> I read and post from multiple machines, so I am
> not necessarily going to get tagged as a "group"

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but looking at
the stats for the last 31 days, there's an individual
who shows up as all three of his identities in various
categories, so even nymshifting doesn't necessarily
keep you out of the listings.

These stats are fleeting snapshots though that can
change noticebly even by the hour or drastically by
the day.


    
Date: 10 May 2007 09:52:24
From: Brent
Subject: Re: AC stats
It was just a thought...

>> I read and post from multiple machines, so I am
>> not necessarily going to get tagged as a "group"
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by that, but looking at
> the stats for the last 31 days, there's an individual
> who shows up as all three of his identities in various
> categories, so even nymshifting doesn't necessarily
> keep you out of the listings.
>
> These stats are fleeting snapshots though that can
> change noticebly even by the hour or drastically by
> the day.




 
Date: 08 May 2007 12:16:21
From: Neal Reid
Subject: Re: AC stats
In article <slrnf40ts9.3f6.steve@sorceror.wizard.dyndns.org >,
Steve Ackman <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote:

> A lot of groups have weekly postings of their
> article and author stats with various formats and info
> collected/displayed.
>
> Is there any interest in seeing something like this
> here?
As long as it doesn't start a frenzy - "I posted the mostest this
month!" sort of thing...

Which reader identifies itself as G2?

--
M for N in address to mail reply


  
Date: 08 May 2007 16:54:41
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: AC stats
In <NealReid-0011F3.12162008052007@news.isp.giganews.com >, on Tue, 08
May 2007 12:16:21 -0400, Neal Reid wrote:
> In article <slrnf40ts9.3f6.steve@sorceror.wizard.dyndns.org>,
> Steve Ackman <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there any interest in seeing something like this
>> here?
> As long as it doesn't start a frenzy - "I posted the mostest this
> month!" sort of thing...

Back when Forum Manager on delphi.com transitioned
from a fixed monthly amount to an one determined by ad
hits, I saw it happen.
Since usenet doesn't have that incentive, stats
seem to serve solely an informational role.

> Which reader identifies itself as G2?

Google... sure, technically not a newsreader, but it
pretends to be one.