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Date: 02 Apr 2007 21:18:46
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: A year later...

It was one year ago today that we closed the gates on our store in the
mall for the last time, and drove home in a rental truck with 17 years
of our lives loaded into the back.

After being in a bit of a funk over it yesterday and this morning, I
celebrated this afternoon by doing something that was impossible at
the mall: I stepped outside between roast batches and flew a kite. It
is a warm, glorious spring day around here, with white puffy clouds in
a soft blue sky, and a 5-7mph breeze out of the south-southwest.

Business here is not as busy as at the mall and, indeed, not as busy
as it needs to be right now. That said, I've got about a dozen
customers in the store, sitting & chatting & drinking coffee & having
panini, and I'm feeling optimistic. There's a row of internet orders
taped to my cabinets, and the roaster is churning away next to me.
I've had a few wholesale leads develop in the last week or so, and my
ECAFE ethiopian sample is here for pre-delivery approval.

Now, if we could only convince the folks in the subdivision behind us
of their folly for expecting $195,000 for a $175000 house, then things
would be great and we could walk to work.

--barry "roast coffee, fly kites"





 
Date: 06 Apr 2007 06:25:31
From: Felix
Subject: Re: A year later...
Barry Jarrett patiently writes:
> we have a very long term view of things around here,
> and there's a lot of money up old collinsville road,
> and hartman and greenmount that we think we can
> tap in to. it's just a matter of getting the word out.

I'm eating at an Assyrian restaurant fairly often. It opened about a
year ago, and the owner doesn't expect to be successful for another
year. His source of optimism is condominium development. On the other
hand, he acknowledges that many restaurants will fail before then, as
their owners get ground down. Unfortunately, my favorite Jamaican
place seems to be in that category. It's been dark for over a week ...

The US coffee market reminds me of the beer market. First, there were
just big, supermarket brands. Then, there were brewpubs everywhere.
Larger companies responded, and most of the brewpubs were essentially
replaced by microbreweries. As you noted elsewhere, it doesn't make
sense to rent shopping mall space for some of the things you do.
Similarly, siting brewing equipment in a restaurant district is a
luxury few can afford.

At some point during my visit earlier this year, I looked at the
church property across the road and thought it would be a good place
to fly my kite. It's been too long ...


Felix



  
Date: 06 Apr 2007 18:34:56
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: A year later...
On 6 Apr 2007 06:25:31 -0700, "Felix" <felixyen@hotmail.com > wrote:

>At some point during my visit earlier this year, I looked at the
>church property across the road and thought it would be a good place
>to fly my kite. It's been too long ...


as the prevailing wind is from the south-southwest, i simply walk out
to the back parking lot & field and fly back there, with the kite over
the store. there's power lines out front, so i try to keep to the
south of lebanon ave.



 
Date: 03 Apr 2007 13:23:35
From: Rob Yokom
Subject: Re: A year later...

"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote in message
news:7kr213dvu4ep8oah3q4v8v3b6tr77ut8v6@4ax.com...
>
> It was one year ago today that we closed the gates on our store in the
> mall for the last time, and drove home in a rental truck with 17 years
> of our lives loaded into the back.
>
> After being in a bit of a funk over it yesterday and this morning, I
> celebrated this afternoon by doing something that was impossible at
> the mall: I stepped outside between roast batches and flew a kite. It
> is a warm, glorious spring day around here, with white puffy clouds in
> a soft blue sky, and a 5-7mph breeze out of the south-southwest.
>
> Business here is not as busy as at the mall and, indeed, not as busy
> as it needs to be right now. That said, I've got about a dozen
> customers in the store, sitting & chatting & drinking coffee & having
> panini, and I'm feeling optimistic. There's a row of internet orders
> taped to my cabinets, and the roaster is churning away next to me.
> I've had a few wholesale leads develop in the last week or so, and my
> ECAFE ethiopian sample is here for pre-delivery approval.
>
> Now, if we could only convince the folks in the subdivision behind us
> of their folly for expecting $195,000 for a $175000 house, then things
> would be great and we could walk to work.
>
> --barry "roast coffee, fly kites"
>

I've been curious about why you moved where you did. I can understand
getting out of the St. Clair mall, but why move to an out of the way area
instead of staying on or around Illinois St? It seems like you could do a
lot more business with shoppers than with the people who drive through where
you're at now.

Next time I have to make a run up to Scott or am just generally in the area
I'll stop by and check out the new place. It's 1 1/2 hours away so I don't
get up there often. As a matter of fact, the God-daughter needs some new
running shoes from Running Start in Shiloh, so it might be pretty soon.




  
Date: 03 Apr 2007 18:16:27
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:23:35 GMT, "Rob Yokom" <r.yokom@mchsi.com >
wrote:

>I've been curious about why you moved where you did. I can understand
>getting out of the St. Clair mall, but why move to an out of the way area
>instead of staying on or around Illinois St? It seems like you could do a
>lot more business with shoppers than with the people who drive through where
>you're at now.
>

one of the unexpected and interesting revelations that occurred during
last summer was where our dedicated customer base seemed to be. i
sold more coffee to belleville than any other town around here. i
sold no coffee whatsoever to o'fallon, and very little in fairview.
there are so many strip centers along 159 that we felt we would be
lost in there, and traffic is so bad that getting in and out of those
centers is more and more difficult. it's almost to the point that
yogi berra's comment "nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded"
makes sense (and we've had more than a few customers comment that they
now avoid fairview as much as possible because of the traffic). we
did look at some spaces along there, but apparently those landlords
think their property poops gold, too, as some of the rents were as
high or higher than what we were paying in the mall! we were in
negotiations for a space on frank scott parkway, but that landlord was
nuts and the lease was almost incomprehensible (and he refused to
change it, even though he misspelled the name of his own company).
further, frank scott parkway has turned into a virtual river of
traffic, and getting in/out of property along there is difficult, at
best.

traffic along lebanon avenue is steady, but broken up by the
stoplights at old collinsville and hartman, so there are plenty of
gaps for folks to get in/out of this space. i think the longest i've
had to wait was 45 seconds. we have a middle left-turn lane, too, so
that helps. our landlord isn't just a landlord, he has a silkscreen
printing business two doors down, so he has a real interest in making
sure things are going well here. he worked with us a lot on getting
us in here and, to be quite honest, i don't think we would have been
able to re-open if it hadn't been for his help. we were able to get
twice the space that we would otherwise have been able to afford,
which provides us plenty of room for the manufacturing end of things
(one of the painful realities of life in the mall was paying mall rent
for manufacturing space), and room for me to work on equipment
(instead of in my basement). the "grand plan" is to open a couple of
other, smaller, locations in the higher traffic areas, and use this
facility as the supply base.

we have a very long term view of things around here, and there's a lot
of money up old collinsville road, and hartman and greenmount that we
think we can tap in to. it's just a matter of getting the word out.


--barry "free drinks to anyone who helicopters in"



   
Date: 05 Apr 2007 14:23:33
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: A year later...
In the NW it's common to see "drive thru espresso" booths in the parking lot
of gas stations, etc. Some are little more than garden sheds. I assume they
are brought in on trailers and set up on blocks and belong to the owner of
the business, who must essentially rent a parking space and a utility hookup
from the land owner. I suspect that zoning laws would not allow this in many
other places - certainly they are unknown around here and in general you
can't put up so much as a picket fence without getting 7 permits and 3
variances.

I think there is a pretty good sized market for people who just want a cup
of coffee (or a latte/mocha/etc.) to drink in their car and if you had the
right location that had lots of driveby traffic but was easy enough to get
in and out of (hint- look for a McDonalds) you could create a viable coffee
business in a trailer sized space. Maybe it could even BE a trailer, which
you could take to special events on weekends when the commuter traffic was
not there. Or you could open a coffee bar inside a high traffic location
where it would be appreciated - I've seen them in the lobby of busy
hospitals/ medical centers for example.



"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote in message
news:v75513t04as4h3v31idevikqq46cfaerjf@4ax.com...
>the "grand plan" is to open a couple of
> other, smaller, locations in the higher traffic areas, and use this
> facility as the supply base.
>




    
Date: 05 Apr 2007 20:27:25
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: A year later...


    
Date: 05 Apr 2007 21:09:15
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:23:33 -0400, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>Or you could open a coffee bar inside a high traffic location
>where it would be appreciated - I've seen them in the lobby of busy
>hospitals/ medical centers for example.

these require really really tight leases in order not to get screwed.
many times the hospital/library/whatever will use the independent as
"proof of concept" testing, and when the coffeebar is successful, the
independent is replaced by a landlord owned/controlled operation.





 
Date: 02 Apr 2007 20:09:44
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Apr 2, 8:48 pm, Barry Jarrett <b...@rileys-coffee.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:44:13 -0700, Randy G. <f...@DESPAMMOcncnet.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Ahh, Barry. Be honest. You're just looking for an excuse so you don't
> >have to clean out the basement! ;-)
> >
>
> one of my former employees described out current house as "a fat chick
> in too small jeans".
>
> packing the basement is worthy of nightmares.
>
> --barry "i think we'll need a dumpster out back"

I like that, the former employee. Reminds me of the guy that
initially taught me to build computers, and his reaction to my house
I'd paid cash. "You've got enough room for two trashcans." It's
tripled in value in 10 years, an assessment by what floorplans have
been going for in the neighborhood, but before what I'm seeing now -
they're sitting longer, unsold. Last of the red hot, hot markets -
Florida. Like when I came in, and it had been on the market seems a
year. I got into it, though, with the owner (residing up north
through respective proxies) over some appliances -- namely her numb-
brained idea to remove them -- *after* showing the house. Moral of
that cheesy story - never get into it when there's still business
potential. Apples and oranges, and another friend and realtor helped
there. I came back and bought the house, non-existant appliances
withstanding (she'd already come down 10%). About what you're looking
at 10% discount, which is within reason (more often bite at a 5%
discounted range). Let some of the newly listed freshness wear off.
Chances may favor it's not going anywhere unless there's "command
factors" truer in line to a value than you're sensing (there may be
added premium on growth potential). Talk around with the realtors for
the angles.

Greenspan shot the market in the butt in 400-point DOW downday terms
with recesssion talk, much hinging off the housing market and
subprimers. I'd say at least a fiscal quarter for the effects of
skunk to wear off the realty/financial sectors (dropped my realty
investment exposure by half across lessened profit retainer risk). He
just may be hungrier by then.



 
Date: 03 Apr 2007 02:58:15
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:18:46 GMT, Barry Jarrett
<barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote:

>
>It was one year ago today that we closed the gates on our store in the
>mall for the last time, and drove home in a rental truck with 17 years
>of our lives loaded into the back.
>
>After being in a bit of a funk over it yesterday and this morning, I
>celebrated this afternoon by doing something that was impossible at
>the mall: I stepped outside between roast batches and flew a kite. It
>is a warm, glorious spring day around here, with white puffy clouds in
>a soft blue sky, and a 5-7mph breeze out of the south-southwest.
>
>Business here is not as busy as at the mall and, indeed, not as busy
>as it needs to be right now.

Who are your customers, Barry, and how do you reach them? I don't have
much feel for what your neighborhood is about, except that. it doesn't
look like a pedestrian area, and I don't think it's a college town.

Commuters? Moms with children? High school students? Self-employed
wi=fi squatters? Rebels-in-their-own-minds kids who still live with
their parents?

Marshall "probably fewer screenwriters per table than my neighborhood"


  
Date: 03 Apr 2007 03:14:33
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 02:58:15 GMT, Marshall
<mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:

>Commuters? Moms with children? High school students? Self-employed
>wi=fi squatters? Rebels-in-their-own-minds kids who still live with
>their parents?
>
>

yes.

but not so much of the latter two.

bankers, lawyers, mom's, kids, twenty-somethings, church folks,
high-schoolers who get their bus driver to stop here in the morning,
military, retired military, little old ladies, little old men, and
everyone in between.

that's always been a problem for us: there doesn't seem to be a solid
market that can be focused on, so marketing is a bit shotgunish...
shoot stuff out and see what it hits. the media around here doesn't
make it any easier. there's about a half dozen local papers, with no
dominant one (and they all think their space is gold).

--barry "life in the fringe towns"


   
Date: 03 Apr 2007 04:52:31
From: Danny
Subject: Re: A year later...
Barry Jarrett wrote:

> yes.
>
> but not so much of the latter two.
>
> bankers, lawyers, mom's, kids, twenty-somethings, church folks,
> high-schoolers who get their bus driver to stop here in the morning,
> military, retired military, little old ladies, little old men, and
> everyone in between.
>
> that's always been a problem for us: there doesn't seem to be a solid
> market that can be focused on, so marketing is a bit shotgunish...
> shoot stuff out and see what it hits. the media around here doesn't
> make it any easier. there's about a half dozen local papers, with no
> dominant one (and they all think their space is gold).
>
> --barry "life in the fringe towns"

Same here - we have a diverse customer base.

I've never advertised anyway, footfall is usually OK here - if I could
get 1 in 100 passers-by i'd be reasonably rich, but all I seem to get
is the (growing) population of regulars who like the coffee.

Good luck, I'm sure you'll succeed if you have *any* footfall :)


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



    
Date: 03 Apr 2007 00:08:52
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: A year later...
Is there any way to snag people in off the street? Hand out free samples of
brewed (little 2 oz. cups)? Flashing neon sign? A barker to grab them by
the elbow and drag them in? Buy one, get one free coupons? Most will be
there once and gone, but a few may "convert" to regulars.


"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:57e19vF2cunubU1@mid.individual.net...
> Barry Jarrett wrote:
>
>> yes.
>>
>> but not so much of the latter two.
>>
>> bankers, lawyers, mom's, kids, twenty-somethings, church folks,
>> high-schoolers who get their bus driver to stop here in the morning,
>> military, retired military, little old ladies, little old men, and
>> everyone in between.
>>
>> that's always been a problem for us: there doesn't seem to be a solid
>> market that can be focused on, so marketing is a bit shotgunish...
>> shoot stuff out and see what it hits. the media around here doesn't
>> make it any easier. there's about a half dozen local papers, with no
>> dominant one (and they all think their space is gold).
>>
>> --barry "life in the fringe towns"
>
> Same here - we have a diverse customer base.
>
> I've never advertised anyway, footfall is usually OK here - if I could get
> 1 in 100 passers-by i'd be reasonably rich, but all I seem to get is the
> (growing) population of regulars who like the coffee.
>
> Good luck, I'm sure you'll succeed if you have *any* footfall :)
>
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> (apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)
>
>




     
Date: 03 Apr 2007 04:14:19
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 00:08:52 -0400, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>Buy one, get one free coupons? Most will be
>there once and gone, but a few may "convert" to regulars.
>

that is our typical coupon... we call it the "bring a friend"
program. it encourages the regulars to bring new people to the shop,
and it encourages the social aspects of the coffeehouse. i'd rather
do that coupon than just about anything else, and coupons let us track
the success of the advert.



      
Date: 03 Apr 2007 05:24:42
From: Danny
Subject: Re: A year later...
Barry Jarrett wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 00:08:52 -0400, "Jack Denver"
> <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >Buy one, get one free coupons? Most will be
> >there once and gone, but a few may "convert" to regulars.
> >
>
> that is our typical coupon... we call it the "bring a friend"
> program. it encourages the regulars to bring new people to the shop,
> and it encourages the social aspects of the coffeehouse. i'd rather
> do that coupon than just about anything else, and coupons let us track
> the success of the advert.
>

This might work for us in the summer, thanks Jack (and Barry). We
don't have much competition, but at the other end of the precinct is a
Bar (J D Wetherspoons) who regularly walk through the precinct giving
away coupons inside empty cups for free coffee with any breakfast.

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



 
Date: 02 Apr 2007 19:14:30
From: Roger Shoaf
Subject: Re: A year later...

"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote in message
news:7kr213dvu4ep8oah3q4v8v3b6tr77ut8v6@4ax.com...

> Now, if we could only convince the folks in the subdivision behind us
> of their folly for expecting $195,000 for a $175000 house, then things
> would be great and we could walk to work.
>

Barry,

The cost difference in the mortgage payment on 20k is only about $100 a
month. If you can walk to work that is probably worth the cost.

If there are other factors in its favor like better school districts, nicer
neighborhood, probable appreciation rate etc. you might be better off going
for it.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.




  
Date: 03 Apr 2007 02:53:50
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:14:30 -0700, "Roger Shoaf"
<shoaf@nospamsyix.com > wrote:

>The cost difference in the mortgage payment on 20k is only about $100 a
>month. If you can walk to work that is probably worth the cost.
>

we're already using the "walk to work" to justify the $400+/mo in
property taxes....

my financier said, "what's $9000 over 30 years?" i responded, "about
$21,000."

these folks only paid $166,000 for it two years ago. property isn't
*that* hard to come by around here. there is new construction
everywhere, and plenty of existing housing. we are in a high turnover
area, as we're adjacent to an air force base, so houses come available
all the time. i think these folks are dreaming...



   
Date: 02 Apr 2007 20:07:05
From: Roger Shoaf
Subject: Re: A year later...

"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote in message
news:k8g313tuau9vkj499ib14ae8ipb4lgtpim@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:14:30 -0700, "Roger Shoaf"
> <shoaf@nospamsyix.com> wrote:
>
> >The cost difference in the mortgage payment on 20k is only about $100 a
> >month. If you can walk to work that is probably worth the cost.
> >
>
> we're already using the "walk to work" to justify the $400+/mo in
> property taxes....
>
> my financier said, "what's $9000 over 30 years?" i responded, "about
> $21,000."
>
> these folks only paid $166,000 for it two years ago. property isn't
> *that* hard to come by around here. there is new construction
> everywhere, and plenty of existing housing. we are in a high turnover
> area, as we're adjacent to an air force base, so houses come available
> all the time. i think these folks are dreaming...
>

Did you make them an offer for the $175k? They may be thinking that they
will net what they paid after their closing costs and commissions and hence
the price.

Sometimes you can also chat up the neighbors and see if they will tell you
the buyers motivation like a job transfer or divorce. Often 2 months later
they could have regretted not taking you up on your offer. Also there might
be some other circumstances that help like if you had not made an offer and
the listing is about to expire then they save the real estate commission or
something.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.




    
Date: 03 Apr 2007 03:20:27
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:07:05 -0700, "Roger Shoaf"
<shoaf@nospamsyix.com > wrote:

>Did you make them an offer for the $175k? They may be thinking that they
>will net what they paid after their closing costs and commissions and hence
>the price.
>

we were up to $181,200 when they broke off negotiations. the house
has been on the market for six months, and it's got to be costing them
close to $1500/mo in interest and taxes.

we'll see if they come back to us in a few weeks. we're not in any
hurry....



     
Date: 02 Apr 2007 20:57:21
From: Roger Shoaf
Subject: Re: A year later...

"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote in message
news:tsh313dquss9t4g8cf99k96vuir3g2ni06@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:07:05 -0700, "Roger Shoaf"
> <shoaf@nospamsyix.com> wrote:
>
>
> we were up to $181,200 when they broke off negotiations. the house
> has been on the market for six months, and it's got to be costing them
> close to $1500/mo in interest and taxes.
>
> we'll see if they come back to us in a few weeks. we're not in any
> hurry....
>

Sometimes the seller is not in a hurry either. To use this to your
advantage, sometimes if you can find out the true motivation for them to
sell you could offer to purchase the house and rent it to them until the
house they are building is ready for them to move into should that be a
reason.

The big trick is knowing the reason. With that you know which buttons are
likely the ones you need to push.

Good luck.

--
Roger Shoaf
If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent.




      
Date: 03 Apr 2007 04:03:49
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:57:21 -0700, "Roger Shoaf"
<shoaf@nospamsyix.com > wrote:

>Sometimes the seller is not in a hurry either. To use this to your
>advantage, sometimes if you can find out the true motivation for them to
>sell you could offer to purchase the house and rent it to them until the
>house they are building is ready for them to move into should that be a
>reason.
>

the house is vacant, and has been for months. iirc, the seller was
transferred. we're not the only ones for whom this whole negotiation
isn't making a lot of sense.... our agent is going to talk to their
agent to see what's going on, because something is fairly odd here.
the day they rejected our latest offer (w/o even countering), they
also lowered the listing price by $5k. if they're holding out for
more money, then why drop the price, and if they're anxious to make a
sale, then why break off negotiations?



       
Date: 03 Apr 2007 16:01:30
From: AlanM
Subject: Re: A year later...

>
> the house is vacant, and has been for months. iirc, the seller was
> transferred.

The owner was transfered may be the problem. When I was transfered to
Pittsburgh (a town which is the pits) the transfer management company
paid the full carrying costs of my old house until the sale. The
agreement was that they would pay ALL costs for 13 months which makes it
very easy to be picky. The final kicker was that after 13 months they
would buy the house from me at a preset price, for which I would have
accepted anyway, but that allowed me to pick up additional $$$ from the
buyer.


       
Date: 02 Apr 2007 22:30:58
From: Roger Shoaf
Subject: Re: A year later...

"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote in message
news:69k3139t5q1ibora2tch0j98nrl9qbfg35@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:57:21 -0700, "Roger Shoaf"
> <shoaf@nospamsyix.com> wrote:
>
> >Sometimes the seller is not in a hurry either. To use this to your
> >advantage, sometimes if you can find out the true motivation for them to
> >sell you could offer to purchase the house and rent it to them until the
> >house they are building is ready for them to move into should that be a
> >reason.
> >
>
> the house is vacant, and has been for months. iirc, the seller was
> transferred. we're not the only ones for whom this whole negotiation
> isn't making a lot of sense.... our agent is going to talk to their
> agent to see what's going on, because something is fairly odd here.
> the day they rejected our latest offer (w/o even countering), they
> also lowered the listing price by $5k. if they're holding out for
> more money, then why drop the price, and if they're anxious to make a
> sale, then why break off negotiations?
>

Like I suggested it is always to your advantage to know the reason people
have. Some folks are stubborn an refuse to negotiate, but later regret
their decision because they were gambling that the price would go up.

Wait a while and put in a lower offer or have a proxy do it for you. As I
see it you have the advantage unless the market heats up. And who knows
perhaps a house with a motivated seller will open up down the block and the
first house being vacant and on the market for a while may very well set the
second sellers price expectation somewhat more reasonably.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.




 
Date: 02 Apr 2007 20:38:14
From: jim schulman
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:18:46 GMT, Barry Jarrett
<barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote:

>Business here is not as busy as at the mall and, indeed, not as busy
>as it needs to be right now...
>... Now, if we could only convince the folks in the subdivision behind us
>of their folly for expecting $195,000 for a $175000 house, then things
>would be great and we could walk to work.

Tell them yopu'll pay the extra 20K if they all come and drink coffee
every day ;-)


 
Date: 03 Apr 2007 01:08:00
From: The Other Funk
Subject: Re: A year later...
Finding the keyboard operational
Barry Jarrett entered:

> --barry "roast coffee, fly kites"

That's is just a beautiful poetic vision. I'll have to post it over the
roaster tomorrow.
Thanks
Bob

--
--
Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times
www.moondoggiecoffee.com



 
Date: 02 Apr 2007 17:47:29
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: A year later...
Don't make me laugh - around here a $175,000 house is called a "one bedroom
apartment". Unfortunately, housing boom seems to be over for now so just
wait a little while and you may get your wish.




"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote in message
news:7kr213dvu4ep8oah3q4v8v3b6tr77ut8v6@4ax.com...
>
>
> Now, if we could only convince the folks in the subdivision behind us
> of their folly for expecting $195,000 for a $175000 house, then things
> would be great and we could walk to work.
>
> --barry "roast coffee, fly kites"
>




  
Date: 03 Apr 2007 11:41:12
From: Lavarock
Subject: Re: A year later...
Jack Denver wrote:
> Don't make me laugh - around here a $175,000 house is called a "one bedroom
> apartment". Unfortunately, housing boom seems to be over for now so just
> wait a little while and you may get your wish.
>
>

I don't want to get too far off topic, but here is a deal I found here
at $189,000, a spacious 850 sq ft and comes with its own cave.... er, I
mean, comes with its own outdoor wine cellar...

http://hawaiiinformation.com/REsearch/IDX/mlsHawaii/IndividualListing.asp?MLS=181905&MLSEVAL=y&page=1

or this one. Note they put the word ROOMS in quotes! That is a major
warning! Also they call it a "pig hunter's dream come true" :-)

http://hawaiiinformation.com/REsearch/IDX/mlsHawaii/IndividualListing.asp?MLS=169544&MLSEVAL=y&page=1

But you COULD grow coffee at either one!

--

They said that someone has to live in Hawaii and I raised my hand first!


   
Date: 03 Apr 2007 07:06:10
From:
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 11:41:12 GMT, Lavarock
<lavarock1@myhawaiiansite.com > wrote:

>Jack Denver wrote:
>> Don't make me laugh - around here a $175,000 house is called a "one bedroom
>> apartment". Unfortunately, housing boom seems to be over for now so just
>> wait a little while and you may get your wish.
>>
>>
>
>I don't want to get too far off topic, but here is a deal I found here
>at $189,000, a spacious 850 sq ft and comes with its own cave.... er, I
>mean, comes with its own outdoor wine cellar...
>
>http://hawaiiinformation.com/REsearch/IDX/mlsHawaii/IndividualListing.asp?MLS=181905&MLSEVAL=y&page=1
>
>or this one. Note they put the word ROOMS in quotes! That is a major
>warning! Also they call it a "pig hunter's dream come true" :-)
>
>http://hawaiiinformation.com/REsearch/IDX/mlsHawaii/IndividualListing.asp?MLS=169544&MLSEVAL=y&page=1
>
>But you COULD grow coffee at either one!

Bet that second one is near the latest lava flow with limited access
and not much soil. It looks dreadful. If you want to pig hunt- we
can offer that here <g >. We had a huge wild boar about 100 yards from
our house last evening. Bob got his 12 gauge and was about to get it
when our sweet Border Collie jumped in his way. He whispered "Mollie"
but the pig heard that and flew away.Pigs are so quick, but they'll be
back.

aloha,
Cea


    
Date: 03 Apr 2007 14:07:11
From: Roger Shoaf
Subject: Re: A year later...

<beans@smithfarms.com > wrote in message
news:462513tu2v26qq8fbhs4jsmpgsbanooouv@4ax.com...

If you want to pig hunt- we
> can offer that here <g>. We had a huge wild boar about 100 yards from
> our house last evening. Bob got his 12 gauge and was about to get it
> when our sweet Border Collie jumped in his way. He whispered "Mollie"
> but the pig heard that and flew away.Pigs are so quick, but they'll be
> back.

Bob might want to get some bigger artillery, a shot gun's pellets would
probably anger the pig, they have really tough skin and lots of bacon to
penetrate before any real damage is done.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.





     
Date: 03 Apr 2007 15:18:22
From:
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:07:11 -0700, "Roger Shoaf"
<shoaf@nospamsyix.com > wrote:

>
><beans@smithfarms.com> wrote in message
>news:462513tu2v26qq8fbhs4jsmpgsbanooouv@4ax.com...
>
> If you want to pig hunt- we
>> can offer that here <g>. We had a huge wild boar about 100 yards from
>> our house last evening. Bob got his 12 gauge and was about to get it
>> when our sweet Border Collie jumped in his way. He whispered "Mollie"
>> but the pig heard that and flew away.Pigs are so quick, but they'll be
>> back.
>
>Bob might want to get some bigger artillery, a shot gun's pellets would
>probably anger the pig, they have really tough skin and lots of bacon to
>penetrate before any real damage is done.

Thanks Roger. Bob is pretty good about guns. He got a sow a few
weeks ago in about the same spot. She did turn on him but he got her.
We do not like to kill anything believe me, but those wild pigs coming
down from the forest each evening are relentless and our Dept. of Land
and Natural Resources does nothing to protect us. They weigh the
difference between allowing hunters the "sport of hunting" while
protecting the farmer- in other words they do nothing now for us. It
is frustrating to say the least as our land is dug up nightly (!),
coffee trees attacked at times, and my ornamental plants seem like
great potential worm villages to them:(. Our dogs try to harass them,
but they can't take on something over 200 pounds. Just a major
problem.

aloha,
Cea


  
Date: 02 Apr 2007 23:56:26
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: A year later...
"Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:



   
Date: 02 Apr 2007 14:13:42
From:
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:56:26 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D.
Ross) wrote:

>"Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>


    
Date: 02 Apr 2007 18:26:31
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: A year later...
<beans@smithfarms.com > wrote in message
news:2p6313hhukqofjg9avsk3jd58apbk3b43a@4ax.com...
>>
> *Congratulations Barry*. Wow a whole year! Wishing you happy times
> and as many customers as you want. You know it is just a matter of
> time! "Hang tough", as the surfers say.
>
> aloha,
> Cea

I couldn't have said it better; we all wish you the best and are confident
in your success.

ken




  
Date: 02 Apr 2007 22:35:00
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:47:29 -0400, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>Don't make me laugh - around here a $175,000 house is called a "one bedroom
>apartment".

:) I know.

This one has three bedrooms, 2-1/2 baths, full basement & 3-car
garage; 1700+ sqft (about twice the size of our existing house), and
it's only about 4 blocks away.

--barry "ride bikes, fly kites, roast coffee"


   
Date: 02 Apr 2007 17:44:13
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: A year later...
Barry Jarrett <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote:

>On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:47:29 -0400, "Jack Denver"
><nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >Don't make me laugh - around here a $175,000 house is called a "one bedroom
> >apartment".
>
>:) I know.
>
>This one has three bedrooms, 2-1/2 baths, full basement & 3-car
>garage; 1700+ sqft (about twice the size of our existing house), and
>it's only about 4 blocks away.
>
>--barry "ride bikes, fly kites, roast coffee"


Ahh, Barry. Be honest. You're just looking for an excuse so you don't
have to clean out the basement! ;-)

The walk commute is worth a bit extra. It's good for the head after a
day's work. I use to have a flat 6 miles commute, and I would ride
home for time twice a week. Hard to dwell on work at 20-25mph in
traffic.

From Randy G.
Trek770 - full Campy Record
I don' need no stinkin' index shifting



    
Date: 03 Apr 2007 00:48:48
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:44:13 -0700, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com >
wrote:

>Ahh, Barry. Be honest. You're just looking for an excuse so you don't
>have to clean out the basement! ;-)
>

one of my former employees described out current house as "a fat chick
in too small jeans".

packing the basement is worthy of nightmares.


--barry "i think we'll need a dumpster out back"


     
Date: 04 Apr 2007 01:42:49
From: Ed Needham
Subject: Re: A year later...
Call me. I want to go dumpster diving!
--
*********************
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http://www.homeroaster.com
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*********************

"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote in message
news:v09313dkrn6ipq29ul9nrk6m517ch30edv@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:44:13 -0700, Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Ahh, Barry. Be honest. You're just looking for an excuse so you don't
> >have to clean out the basement! ;-)
> >
>
> one of my former employees described out current house as "a fat chick
> in too small jeans".
>
> packing the basement is worthy of nightmares.
>
>
> --barry "i think we'll need a dumpster out back"




   
Date: 02 Apr 2007 18:25:12
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: A year later...
"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote in message
news:151313hghe3b6pgj0lo5k1u7jpqb0ncc5i@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:47:29 -0400, "Jack Denver"
> <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >Don't make me laugh - around here a $175,000 house is called a "one
> >bedroom
> >apartment".
>
> :) I know.

and around here, it is called a "down payment."

ken




   
Date: 02 Apr 2007 18:42:15
From: North Sullivan
Subject: Re: A year later...
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 22:35:00 GMT, Barry Jarrett
<barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote:



>
>--barry "ride bikes, fly kites, roast coffee"

Sounds sweet. Good recipe for satisfaction.

North Sullivan