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Date: 10 Oct 2006 23:05:53
From: hfw
Subject: Adjusting Rocky Doserless?
Customer service at WholeLatteLove recently told me that I have to
adjust the grind while the grinder's running. Is that true of the
Doserless Rocky? That would seem to require a third hand--one hand on
the running switch, one on the lever that permits adjustment, and a
third to actually turn the thing.

--Heidi




 
Date: 11 Oct 2006 12:00:40
From: Shadd
Subject: Re: Adjusting Rocky Doserless?

hfw wrote:
> Customer service at WholeLatteLove recently told me that I have to
> adjust the grind while the grinder's running. Is that true of the
> Doserless Rocky? That would seem to require a third hand--one hand on
> the running switch, one on the lever that permits adjustment, and a
> third to actually turn the thing.
>
> --Heidi

This is suggested, but not really necessary. You can complete the
task by using the "butt" of your right hand (where the palm meets the
wrist) to depress the release on the adjuster collar while grasping the
bean hopper with your fingers. You kind of have to go in spurts, but
it is possible.
I've been told this is to prevent crushing a bean and is easier on
the burrs.

Shadd



 
Date: 11 Oct 2006 17:38:02
From: Rusty
Subject: Re: Adjusting Rocky Doserless?

"hfw" <nospam@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:4p35cdFgr9d9U1@individual.net...
> Customer service at WholeLatteLove recently told me that I have to adjust
> the grind while the grinder's running. Is that true of the Doserless
> Rocky? That would seem to require a third hand--one hand on the running
> switch, one on the lever that permits adjustment, and a third to actually
> turn the thing.
>
> --Heidi

You don't have to put beans in to adjust the grind.

Rusty




  
Date: 11 Oct 2006 09:49:56
From: St. John Smythe
Subject: Re: Adjusting Rocky Doserless?
Rusty wrote:
> "hfw" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:4p35cdFgr9d9U1@individual.net...
>> Customer service at WholeLatteLove recently told me that I have to adjust
>> the grind while the grinder's running. Is that true of the Doserless
>> Rocky? That would seem to require a third hand--one hand on the running
>> switch, one on the lever that permits adjustment, and a third to actually
>> turn the thing.
>>
>> --Heidi
>
> You don't have to put beans in to adjust the grind.

Yes, and in the case of the doserless, you mustn't have beans in it if
attempting to go from coarse to fine, unless you have a third hand
available. It's when:
o hopper has beans
AND
o adjusting from coarse to fine
that the motor needs to be running.

--
St. John
The real trouble with reality is that there's no background music.


   
Date: 12 Oct 2006 00:23:32
From: hfw
Subject: Re: Adjusting Rocky Doserless?
Thanks, all.

Actually, it would never have occurred to me to have beans in *while I
was adjusting.

I'd called WLL because I was suddenly getting soupy-on-top pucks and
didn't think I'd changed anything (Gaggia Classic). The rep was
insistent that my beans were not finely ground enough, despite my
telling her that I was getting 2 oz. doubles in 30- to 40-second pours.

The espresso was tasting much the same as it had been for the past six
months or so--which is to say, better than anything I'd had out (with
the exception of something *once that must've been a "god-shot" and that
I'll probably be trying to duplicate forever.) On the other hand,
although I know what bitter is, I can't quite get a sense of what "sour"
might mean in coffee, so was wondering whether the thermostat might be
off and the temps a little low.

The solenoid seems to be reducing the pressure appropriately.

I did try grinding a step coarser and using a bit more coffee and that's
helped a little, though it's been much harder to get the portafilter
into the machine.

Suggestions/explanations welcome!

--Heidi


St. John Smythe wrote:
> Rusty wrote:
>> "hfw" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:4p35cdFgr9d9U1@individual.net...
>>> Customer service at WholeLatteLove recently told me that I have to adjust
>>> the grind while the grinder's running. Is that true of the Doserless
>>> Rocky? That would seem to require a third hand--one hand on the running
>>> switch, one on the lever that permits adjustment, and a third to actually
>>> turn the thing.
>>>
>>> --Heidi
>> You don't have to put beans in to adjust the grind.
>
> Yes, and in the case of the doserless, you mustn't have beans in it if
> attempting to go from coarse to fine, unless you have a third hand
> available. It's when:
> o hopper has beans
> AND
> o adjusting from coarse to fine
> that the motor needs to be running.
>


 
Date: 11 Oct 2006 06:07:17
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Adjusting Rocky Doserless?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:05:53 -0400, hfw <nospam@nospam.com > wrote:

>I have to
>adjust the grind while the grinder's running.

Only the case if you are going from press to espresso, but not the
other direction.
If you grind per dose, there is less of an issue as minimal grind
remains between the burrs than if you fill the hopper and stop when
the PF is full, leaving partially cracked beans between the burrs.

FWIW, although the burrs are conical, not flat like Rocky, in several
years using a Maestro, cranking it stopped while empty from press to
espresso caused nary a complaint from the ginder... Never tried that
extreme an adjument with a flat burr grinder, but a two full turns on
the M4 Stepless elicit no complaints.


 
Date: 10 Oct 2006 22:32:43
From: JulesG
Subject: Re: Adjusting Rocky Doserless?

hfw wrote:
> Customer service at WholeLatteLove recently told me that I have to
> adjust the grind while the grinder's running. Is that true of the
> Doserless Rocky? That would seem to require a third hand--one hand on
> the running switch, one on the lever that permits adjustment, and a
> third to actually turn the thing.
>
> --Heidi

Before you start to use your Rocky, you have to find your zero point
while it is running. Slowly turn it toward zero until you hear the
burrs barely touch. This is your zero point. Of course, you do that
without coffee and get help if you need to. This may seem odd at first
but don't worry, you won't damage it and you will hear it easily.

The point after this one become your absolute minimum - if they touch
at 2, your minimum is 3. Start grinding 8 to 10 stops higher and
adjust according to your needs when the grinder is stopped. In my
case, the sweet spot is at around 13.

Enjoy ! You have purchased a fine grinder and WLL was right.



 
Date: 10 Oct 2006 20:43:03
From:
Subject: Re: Adjusting Rocky Doserless?
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:05:53 -0400, hfw <nospam@nospam.com > wrote:

>Customer service at WholeLatteLove recently told me that I have to
>adjust the grind while the grinder's running. Is that true of the
>Doserless Rocky? That would seem to require a third hand--one hand on
>the running switch, one on the lever that permits adjustment, and a
>third to actually turn the thing.
>
>--Heidi


Huh? Just the opposite. Adjust it when it's stopped. Seems to me
that's in the manual.

Not to beat an old drum yet again, but that poor advice is completely
consistent with my often-expressed low opinion of WLL "where custormer
service is our lowest priority". Others will disagree, but there are
enough other good retailers selling the same stuff at exactly the same
price with many fewer dissatisfied customers, so why go with an outfit
that manages to alienate significant numbers of customers with their
crappy service?







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Date: 11 Oct 2006 16:44:50
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Adjusting Rocky Doserless?
Roque wrote:

> Huh? Just the opposite. Adjust it when it's stopped. Seems to me
> that's in the manual.
>
> Not to beat an old drum yet again, but that poor advice is completely
> consistent with my often-expressed low opinion of WLL "where custormer
> service is our lowest priority". Others will disagree, but there are
> enough other good retailers selling the same stuff at exactly the same
> price with many fewer dissatisfied customers, so why go with an outfit
> that manages to alienate significant numbers of customers with their
> crappy service?
>

Not so, particularly if going from coarse to fine. Always adjust with
the grinder running (assuming beans are present in the grinding path).

--
Regards, Danny

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