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Date: 13 Jan 2007 23:00:06
From:
Subject: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
If you are within driving distance and didn't show, you missed a great
day.
John, his business partner Sultan, and the CHCC baristas (Chris, Allie
and Jason) had us set up in a reserved area on the second floor of
Chestnut Hill Coffee Company. They couldn't do enough for us!
They had a Mazzer Mini filled with the CHCC espresso blend beans
(roaster on Wednesday) and an airpot of brewed coffee.
I brought Silvia and shots were being pulled most of the afternoon. The
baristas who were working took turns coming upstairs to try Silvia and
once we showed them the pump switch they had a great time.
Alties in attendance were Ramboorider, Bourboncoffee, Jack Denver and
(winner of the furthest drive) DaveB (please hold all daveb flames
until at least mid-week) and potential altie , JohnS. (I'll get him)
John Hornall spent the entire afternoon with us and pulled a Silvia
double.
Everything was discussed, from beans, to roasting, to the measurable
caffeine levels in Puget Sound water.John set up a cupping and
explained how to do it correctly, had three coffees which we cupped and
we probably drove out a few customers between the snorting, slurping
and spitting.
After a lunch break, those of us interested in roasting, went over to
CHCC's roastery. John did an extensive explanation of roasting on big
batch (bigger than most of us have ) machines, had us smelling bags and
bags of green, and then roasted a few batches for the shop. Anything
that is bright yellow and chrome and has flames inside gets my
attention.
I want to thank John, Sultan, Chris, Allie and Jason for making this an
excellent day. They are super people and run a great shop.

If there is enough interest I can convince John to let us come again in
the summer. I think he enjoyed this as much as we did.
Pix are at

http://www.stanshire.com/Hornall/John%20Hornall/Home.html

John S has also posted some pics and short videos at

http://picasaweb.google.com/jonspielberg/Jan07CoffeeShop

Note to Barry:
I told John what you asked. In an effort to keep this post reasonably
family-friendly, I'll withold his comments.

Stan S





 
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 18:14:14
From:
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?

a1beanboy@hotmail.com wrote:
> Holy Moses!! Can't we all just get along! All this dribble is Dumb!! No
> matter who starts it, maybe we should all grow up a little. Thank You!
> Mama Mia!!!
> Roque wrote:
> > On 14 Jan 2007 18:39:43 GMT, RoughJaw <rj@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> > Some of his/her usual drivel.
> >
> > It must be sad to have as your priy purpose in life the need to
> > belittle others. It must be horrid being you.
> >
> > I've tried to ignore your inanities for a long time now, but it gets
> > harder and harder. You're a sick little fool who really should seek
> > help.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________
> > Please Note: If you find a posting or message from me
> > offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
> > If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
> > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate.
Absolutely correct!
I will no longer comment, debate or otherwise participate in these OT
childish ravings,
The espresso discussions are extremely valuable to me and have improved
my shots and my understanding of the process immeasurably.
They have also provided a new outlet for discretionary expenditures.
Prior to Silvia I didn't even know what a datalogging thermocouple
was...now I own one.
Keep up the fascinating and useful information and debates.
Stan "Straight and narrow" S



  
Date: 18 Jan 2007 17:39:27
From: Ken Wilson
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
< >> Holy Moses!! Can't we all just get along! All this dribble is Dumb!! No
>> matter who starts it, maybe we should all grow up a little. Thank You!
> Absolutely correct!
> I will no longer comment, debate or otherwise participate in these OT
> childish ravings,


Do you remember that kid's thing from, probably, the Beano or the Boys Own
paper in about 1960 that had a poem in it which pointed out that, no matter
how pointless an article was, and how much you feel you shouldn't join in,
one felt compelled to read the thing through to the bitter end because that
was just human nature that one should do such a silly thing and, after all,
one does feel that one ought to get one's halfpenny worth from this internet
and learn all one can about coffee , which, when all is said and done, is
absolutely worthwhile.

Ken




   
Date: 18 Jan 2007 12:51:52
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
Some cultural references don't travel - American kids don't read Beano (the
name of an anti-flatulence pill here, not a comic) or Boys Own. We used to
read Highlights for Children or Archie, which I assume resonate with the
same nothingness to you as Beano and Boys Own mean to us.

But your point is well taken, though I think the better analogy is passing
the scene of a highway accident at the side of the road - you know it's
wrong to look but you look anyway.



"Ken Wilson" <ken@kwilsonDEDUCT.fsnet.co.uk > wrote in message
news:eoobce$n57$1@aioe.org...
><>> Holy Moses!! Can't we all just get along! All this dribble is Dumb!! No
>>> matter who starts it, maybe we should all grow up a little. Thank You!
>> Absolutely correct!
>> I will no longer comment, debate or otherwise participate in these OT
>> childish ravings,
>
>
> Do you remember that kid's thing from, probably, the Beano or the Boys
> Own paper in about 1960 that had a poem in it which pointed out that, no
> matter how pointless an article was, and how much you feel you shouldn't
> join in, one felt compelled to read the thing through to the bitter end
> because that was just human nature that one should do such a silly thing
> and, after all, one does feel that one ought to get one's halfpenny worth
> from this internet and learn all one can about coffee , which, when all is
> said and done, is absolutely worthwhile.
>
> Ken
>




    
Date: 20 Jan 2007 21:37:09
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
"Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>
>But your point is well taken, though I think the better analogy is passing
>the scene of a highway accident at the side of the road - you know it's
>wrong to look but you look anyway.
>

It's human nature to look... it's wrong to drive by without offering
or attempting to render some sort of assistance, even if it is just
directing traffic or comforting someone..

Randy "always stops" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




     
Date: 21 Jan 2007 09:22:42
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
I was referring to an accident where the authorities have already arrived.
Of course if you are the first on the scene of an accident you should stop
and render assistance until the police arrive. Nowadays when everyone and
his brother has a cell phone, the police are usually there pretty quickly,
at least around here.



"Randy G." <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote in message
news:4tu5r2p0ljjdqlc71283oag9d9i0hrnadh@4ax.com...
> "Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>But your point is well taken, though I think the better analogy is passing
>>the scene of a highway accident at the side of the road - you know it's
>>wrong to look but you look anyway.
>>
>
> It's human nature to look... it's wrong to drive by without offering
> or attempting to render some sort of assistance, even if it is just
> directing traffic or comforting someone..
>
> Randy "always stops" G.
> http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com
>
>




 
Date: 17 Jan 2007 16:53:29
From:
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
Holy Moses!! Can't we all just get along! All this dribble is Dumb!! No
matter who starts it, maybe we should all grow up a little. Thank You!
Mama Mia!!!
Roque wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2007 18:39:43 GMT, RoughJaw <rj@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> Some of his/her usual drivel.
>
> It must be sad to have as your priy purpose in life the need to
> belittle others. It must be horrid being you.
>
> I've tried to ignore your inanities for a long time now, but it gets
> harder and harder. You're a sick little fool who really should seek
> help.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________
> Please Note: If you find a posting or message from me
> offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
> If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
> me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate.



 
Date: 16 Jan 2007 14:01:06
From: RoughJaw
Subject: Re: ?
~

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:10:27 -0800, daveb wrote:

> " Some of his/her usual drivel.
>
> It must be sad to have as your priy purpose in life the need to
> belittle others. It must be horrid being you.
>
> I've tried to ignore your inanities for a long time now, but it gets
> harder and harder. You're a sick little fool who really should seek
> help."

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Date: 15 Jan 2007 16:10:27
From: daveb
Subject: Re: ?
" Some of his/her usual drivel.

It must be sad to have as your priy purpose in life the need to
belittle others. It must be horrid being you.

I've tried to ignore your inanities for a long time now, but it gets
harder and harder. You're a sick little fool who really should seek
help."



 
Date: 15 Jan 2007 22:20:45
From: RoughJaw
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:46:10 -0800, daveb wrote:

> it is convenient for you to hide behind your silly anonymous ID.

Yes, Miss Penny, it is.

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Date: 15 Jan 2007 09:22:00
From: Jenn
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
Wow, that sounds like a totally awesome afternoon. I'm sorry I missed
it. My husband and I would love to come along if you pull something
like this together another time! What a treat!!

Jenn

stan.shire@gmail.com wrote:
> If you are within driving distance and didn't show, you missed a great
> day.
> John, his business partner Sultan, and the CHCC baristas (Chris, Allie
> and Jason) had us set up in a reserved area on the second floor of
> Chestnut Hill Coffee Company. They couldn't do enough for us!
> They had a Mazzer Mini filled with the CHCC espresso blend beans
> (roaster on Wednesday) and an airpot of brewed coffee.
> I brought Silvia and shots were being pulled most of the afternoon. The
> baristas who were working took turns coming upstairs to try Silvia and
> once we showed them the pump switch they had a great time.
> Alties in attendance were Ramboorider, Bourboncoffee, Jack Denver and
> (winner of the furthest drive) DaveB (please hold all daveb flames
> until at least mid-week) and potential altie , JohnS. (I'll get him)
> John Hornall spent the entire afternoon with us and pulled a Silvia
> double.
> Everything was discussed, from beans, to roasting, to the measurable
> caffeine levels in Puget Sound water.John set up a cupping and
> explained how to do it correctly, had three coffees which we cupped and
> we probably drove out a few customers between the snorting, slurping
> and spitting.
> After a lunch break, those of us interested in roasting, went over to
> CHCC's roastery. John did an extensive explanation of roasting on big
> batch (bigger than most of us have ) machines, had us smelling bags and
> bags of green, and then roasted a few batches for the shop. Anything
> that is bright yellow and chrome and has flames inside gets my
> attention.
> I want to thank John, Sultan, Chris, Allie and Jason for making this an
> excellent day. They are super people and run a great shop.
>
> If there is enough interest I can convince John to let us come again in
> the summer. I think he enjoyed this as much as we did.
> Pix are at
>
> http://www.stanshire.com/Hornall/John%20Hornall/Home.html
>
> John S has also posted some pics and short videos at
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/jonspielberg/Jan07CoffeeShop
>
> Note to Barry:
> I told John what you asked. In an effort to keep this post reasonably
> family-friendly, I'll withold his comments.
>
> Stan S



 
Date: 15 Jan 2007 07:49:06
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
Good idea,

Texas and the south are very deprived -- generally!! that is a sure
thang!!

dave


Godzilla wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 06:23:30 -0800, daveb wrote:
>
> > A great account, -- journalism is yet another of your talents. stan
> >
> > very enjoyable to meet my customers face to face - Ray, Jeremy.
> >
> > I don't think I've EVER seen a coffee business so well run.
> >
> > Great coffee, prepared with loving care by real pros. Superb pastries
> > and goodies. A very warm and welcoming place, spacious yet cozy.
> > Friendly people, clearly pleased to be there.
> >
> > my deep appreciation to John, Sultan and his great staff.
> >
> > Next -- Shytown? or NYC?
>
> How about South Texas for the "Espresso Deprived Set?" ;-)
>
> Godzilla



 
Date: 15 Jan 2007 07:46:10
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
it is convenient for you to hide behind your silly anonymous ID.

D


RoughJaw wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:45:04 -0800, daveb wrote:
>
> > you, whose handle has the sole purpose of following me around?
>
> If you weren't so egocentric, you might have noticed I've commented to
> other spammers.
>
> > you will about how your rants and that of others does much more to lower
> > the 'tone' of this group than do I
>
> Stop spamming, I'll stop commenting on it.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com



 
Date: 15 Jan 2007 14:51:01
From: RoughJaw
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:24:15 -0800, Roque Ja wrote:

> It must be sad to have as your priy purpose in life the need to
> belittle others. It must be horrid being you.

LOL! Mr. anti-WLL. Look in the mirror.

_____________________________________
> Please Note: If you find a posting or message from me
> offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
> If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
> me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate.

So ignore me.

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Date: 15 Jan 2007 14:48:23
From: RoughJaw
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:45:04 -0800, daveb wrote:

> you, whose handle has the sole purpose of following me around?

If you weren't so egocentric, you might have noticed I've commented to
other spammers.

> you will about how your rants and that of others does much more to lower
> the 'tone' of this group than do I

Stop spamming, I'll stop commenting on it.

--
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Date: 15 Jan 2007 09:28:19
From: Godzilla
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 06:23:30 -0800, daveb wrote:

> A great account, -- journalism is yet another of your talents. stan
>
> very enjoyable to meet my customers face to face - Ray, Jeremy.
>
> I don't think I've EVER seen a coffee business so well run.
>
> Great coffee, prepared with loving care by real pros. Superb pastries
> and goodies. A very warm and welcoming place, spacious yet cozy.
> Friendly people, clearly pleased to be there.
>
> my deep appreciation to John, Sultan and his great staff.
>
> Next -- Shytown? or NYC?

How about South Texas for the "Espresso Deprived Set?" ;-)

Godzilla


 
Date: 15 Jan 2007 06:23:30
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
A great account, -- journalism is yet another of your talents. stan

very enjoyable to meet my customers face to face - Ray, Jeremy.

I don't think I've EVER seen a coffee business so well run.

Great coffee, prepared with loving care by real pros. Superb pastries
and goodies. A very warm and welcoming place, spacious yet cozy.
Friendly people, clearly pleased to be there.

my deep appreciation to John, Sultan and his great staff.

Next -- Shytown? or NYC?



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 16:45:04
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
you, whose handle has the sole purpose of following me around?think if
you will about how your rants and that of others does much more to
lower the 'tone' of this group than do I


warmest regards, dave
www.hitechespresso.com



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 16:19:24
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
after reading all this I am disapponted by the tone, and the usual OT
flames..

SOS.

but anyway, Stan thank you for being SUCH a gracious host!

dave



stan.shire@gmail.com wrote:
> If you are within driving distance and didn't show, you missed a great
> day.
> John, his business partner Sultan, and the CHCC baristas (Chris, Allie
> and Jason) had us set up in a reserved area on the second floor of
> Chestnut Hill Coffee Company. They couldn't do enough for us!
> They had a Mazzer Mini filled with the CHCC espresso blend beans
> (roaster on Wednesday) and an airpot of brewed coffee.
> I brought Silvia and shots were being pulled most of the afternoon. The
> baristas who were working took turns coming upstairs to try Silvia and
> once we showed them the pump switch they had a great time.
> Alties in attendance were Ramboorider, Bourboncoffee, Jack Denver and
> (winner of the furthest drive) DaveB (please hold all daveb flames
> until at least mid-week) and potential altie , JohnS. (I'll get him)
> John Hornall spent the entire afternoon with us and pulled a Silvia
> double.
> Everything was discussed, from beans, to roasting, to the measurable
> caffeine levels in Puget Sound water.John set up a cupping and
> explained how to do it correctly, had three coffees which we cupped and
> we probably drove out a few customers between the snorting, slurping
> and spitting.
> After a lunch break, those of us interested in roasting, went over to
> CHCC's roastery. John did an extensive explanation of roasting on big
> batch (bigger than most of us have ) machines, had us smelling bags and
> bags of green, and then roasted a few batches for the shop. Anything
> that is bright yellow and chrome and has flames inside gets my
> attention.
> I want to thank John, Sultan, Chris, Allie and Jason for making this an
> excellent day. They are super people and run a great shop.
>
> If there is enough interest I can convince John to let us come again in
> the summer. I think he enjoyed this as much as we did.
> Pix are at
>
> http://www.stanshire.com/Hornall/John%20Hornall/Home.html
>
> John S has also posted some pics and short videos at
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/jonspielberg/Jan07CoffeeShop
>
> Note to Barry:
> I told John what you asked. In an effort to keep this post reasonably
> family-friendly, I'll withold his comments.
>
> Stan S



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 14:58:17
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
On Jan 14, 2:36 pm, shall <mrf...@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:
> And how was the espresso? Learn anything?
>
> I think I'm the one who first urged Philly pholks to visit. So, I've
> got a kind of vested interest.
>
> shall "worth a walk, worth a trip, worth a journey?"

shall,

You recommended a trip to CHCC to me in my first days with the Silvia.
It took a while, but I went a few weeks later and learned TONS. John
wasn't there that day, but a couple of his baristas, Jason and another
guy who wasn't there yesterday, spent a bit of time with me on their
machine and showed me some of what was going on. The mojo definitely
rubbed off a bit and I saw a ked improvement in my shots almost
immediately after that visit. Partially just because I knew what really
good espresso COULD taste like and knew what I was shooting for.

Yesterday we really didn't spend as much time on espresso except that
the baristas and a few in the group tried their hand on Stan's Silvia.
But the couple of shots I had sips of were nothing to write home about
and many were tossed immediately. Either the machine or grinder or
blend was new to pretty much everyone who tried it - not the way to
optimize results! Sort of fun but not really instructive. This get
together was more about socializing, hanging out, TALKING about coffee,
and the cupping. Which, as I mentioned above, was mostly lost on me
given my lack of smeller - but at least I know what 'cupping' IS now.
And roasting for those who took in that part of it.

CHCC is a nice place to have nearby. I used to live in Seattle before I
was getting into this hobby and didn't fully appreciate what I had
there. I just knew I could get a good cappa just about anywhere. Here,
I can get a great one at John's shop when I feel like making the trip
and a pretty good one at home pretty much anytime. I personally
wouldn't travel cross country just for a visit, but I'd sure check it
out if you're in the area.

-Ray



  
Date: 15 Jan 2007 00:43:21
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
On 14 Jan 2007 14:58:17 -0800, "ramboorider@gmail.com"
<ramboorider@gmail.com > wrote:

Sounds like people had a great time. Glad to hear it!

shall


 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 14:27:46
From:
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop

shall wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:23:36 -0500, "Jack Denver"
> <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >Thanks again to Stan for setting this up and to John and Sultan for hosting
> >us. They really put a lot of effort into it.
>
> And how was the espresso? Learn anything?
>
> I think I'm the one who first urged Philly pholks to visit. So, I've
> got a kind of vested interest.
>
> shall "worth a walk, worth a trip, worth a journey?"
shall
The shots were excellent. Too bad you couldn't be there. It amazes me
how consistantly high the quality is at CHCC with John or any of his
baristas behind the bar.
What did I learn?
1. The level of excellence that can be maintained with a long line of
customers ordering double shots, milk drinks ( and who knows what else)
when you have very well trained people who are passionate about coffee.
Doesn't seem to make a difference who is pulling shots. It is all at a
very high level.
2. Roasting requires a major level of concentration and committment to
constant improvement - John is determined to make his roasts
spectacular. Sure is diffent than doing 64gm in my Fresh Roast.
3. There are some uniquely interesting people on this group.
4. John is very willing to share his experience if people would pay
attention. I'm very fortunate to live a five minute drive from CHCC.
5. A four-group LM does not prepare one for a Silvia (and I'm sure
vice-versa)
Stan



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 14:14:20
From:
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?

Jack Denver wrote:
> Stan -
>
> You were great for setting this event up and I have nothing but good things
> to say about you - I had a great time. I apologize if I've insulted you in
> some way - it certainly wasn't my intent. My post was intended to be tongue
> in cheek - I guess this didn't come thru in writing. It wouldn't be the
> first time that my sense of humor has sailed over the head of others.
>
> The reason you know my "real name" is 'cause I told you. I've never tried to
> conceal my identity from those alties I've had reason to meet or deal
> personally - I told you the story yesterday of how I came to have my pen
> name. Discretion better part of valor, etc.
>
> I didn't realized that our meeting was "off the record" or "not for
> attribution". I though it was rekable that Dave showed up from 500 miles
> away and I thought that the other alties would be interested in hearing
> about what he had to say as much as they would about coffee. We are humans,
> not coffee robots and the personalities in this business are just as much of
> interest (at least to me) as stacks of hardware and sacks of beans - that
> what was so great about seeing John in action. I didn't mean this as a
> rant on DaveB at all. He really was more amiable in person than he has been
> (in the past) on alt.coffee. I really meant it when I "shook" with him last
> night and didn't think I said anything in the way of rant. I take no
> responsibility for the repy of RJ or anyone else.
>
> The internet and the world being what it is, you can set the agenda for an
> event or a comment thread but once it is begun it is like a child that you
> send out into the world - it's not yours to control anymore.
>
> As for plaid, I was just joking w/ Ken, who apparently didn't like my shirt
> (how dare he mention it in a coffee forum). Thanks for letting me know more
> about plaid and tartan - I really had no idea (and sad to say I still don't
> care). It was just light hearted banter. AFAIK, in common American usage
> "plaid" refers to a pattern, as in "plaid shirt" while tartan is a sauce
> that you have with seafood. Or something like that.
>
>
>
>
>
> <stan.shire@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1168808871.695128.300880@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > notbob wrote:
> >> On 2007-01-14, RoughJaw <rj@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Now all of a sudden Chris gives him "advice" and he's "going along"
> >> > with
> >> > it.
> >>
> >> Chris' Coffee is a long established no-nonsense business. Chris has a
> >> link to Hi Tech and visa versa, which is no doubt a real coup for Db.
> >> I suspect the "advice", though couched in the most amiable of terms,
> >> basically boiled down to, 'if that petulant-6-yr-old act of yours
> >> reflects poorly on my business, I'll drop you like a cheap cigar'.
> >>
> >> nb
> > I am amazed that RoughJaw jumped on DaveB less than 12 hours after my
> > post.
> > A few comments
> > 1. Much of what "Jack Denver" (We all know your real name) wrote was
> > mentioned in a very casual way in the course of some other
> > conversation. He, however, felt compelled to include it in the report
> > of an event which had everthing to do with coffee and very little to do
> > with personalities. My son used to do that when he was in pre-school.
> > 2. Who asked anyone to change topic. If you want to rant on DaveB, go
> > ahead and create your own, but allow at least one thread to continue on
> > topic.
> > 3. RJ (and a number of folks here) seem to be much more interested in
> > turning this into alt.jackass.
> > 4. Jack, if you insist on pontificating, at least know what you're
> > talking about.Plaid is not a pattern, it is a garment. The earliest
> > record of the Plaid, or kilt, is about 1560. It was probably worn
> > before this but there are no records of it. You are actually referring
> > to "tartan."
> > StanS
> >
Jack
Accepted. Very, very few things go over my head.
BTW, the seafood sauce is "tartar"
Stan S



  
Date: 14 Jan 2007 18:10:12
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
Originally I was joking (again) but I checked into it just for fun.

http://digital.lib.msu.edu/projects/cookbooks/coldfusion/display.cfm?ID=oldv&PageNum=305


Note that in this 1878 recipe book TARTAN SAUCE is rendered in upper case
and repeatedly, so it's no typo. The recipe is clearly for what we call
"tartar sauce" today.



If my humor didn't go over your head, then it must have trickled by in the
gutter, where it often is.



<stan.shire@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1168812860.334016.72530@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> >
> Jack
> Accepted. Very, very few things go over my head.
> BTW, the seafood sauce is "tartar"
> Stan S
>




 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 13:07:51
From:
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?

notbob wrote:
> On 2007-01-14, RoughJaw <rj@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > Now all of a sudden Chris gives him "advice" and he's "going along" with
> > it.
>
> Chris' Coffee is a long established no-nonsense business. Chris has a
> link to Hi Tech and visa versa, which is no doubt a real coup for Db.
> I suspect the "advice", though couched in the most amiable of terms,
> basically boiled down to, 'if that petulant-6-yr-old act of yours
> reflects poorly on my business, I'll drop you like a cheap cigar'.
>
> nb
I am amazed that RoughJaw jumped on DaveB less than 12 hours after my
post.
A few comments
1. Much of what "Jack Denver" (We all know your real name) wrote was
mentioned in a very casual way in the course of some other
conversation. He, however, felt compelled to include it in the report
of an event which had everthing to do with coffee and very little to do
with personalities. My son used to do that when he was in pre-school.
2. Who asked anyone to change topic. If you want to rant on DaveB, go
ahead and create your own, but allow at least one thread to continue on
topic.
3. RJ (and a number of folks here) seem to be much more interested in
turning this into alt.jackass.
4. Jack, if you insist on pontificating, at least know what you're
talking about.Plaid is not a pattern, it is a garment. The earliest
record of the Plaid, or kilt, is about 1560. It was probably worn
before this but there are no records of it. You are actually referring
to "tartan."
StanS



  
Date: 14 Jan 2007 17:22:40
From: hfw
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
Guys, really, is this necessary? I realize I'm a goody-two-shoes (who
was Goody-Two-Shoes, anyway?), but nobody comes off well in these
exchanges. It's like being subjected to a family fight in the middle of
a department store. And even more uncomfortable when you kind of know
the family.

l'shalom,

--Heidi


>


   
Date: 14 Jan 2007 18:30:29
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?


"Little Goody Two-Shoes" was the heroine of a children's story of the same
title, first published in 1765 and often attributed to that favorite of
English graduate students everywhere, Oliver Goldsmith. The story, such as
it is, concerns a poor waif who has somehow managed to make it through life
with only one shoe. Finally rewarded with another, she scampers over hill
and dale pointing at her feet and crying "Two shoes! Two shoes!" in so
cloying a manner that her name has lived through the ages as a symbol of
puerility. "Goody" is a contraction of "Goodwife," a form of address roughly
equivalent to our "Mrs.," and now archaic.

http://straightdope.com/classics/a1_291a.html

And in an exclusive, I have located a photo of Ms. 2-shoes in her 1 shoe
days:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2862/372/1600/Duke_photo_12-30-12AM_.jpg



"hfw" <nospam@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:50vopcF1hqm59U1@mid.individual.net...
> Guys, really, is this necessary? I realize I'm a goody-two-shoes (who was
> Goody-Two-Shoes, anyway?), but nobody comes off well in these exchanges.
> It's like being subjected to a family fight in the middle of a department
> store. And even more uncomfortable when you kind of know the family.
>
> l'shalom,
>
> --Heidi
>
>
>>




  
Date: 14 Jan 2007 16:49:12
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
Stan -

You were great for setting this event up and I have nothing but good things
to say about you - I had a great time. I apologize if I've insulted you in
some way - it certainly wasn't my intent. My post was intended to be tongue
in cheek - I guess this didn't come thru in writing. It wouldn't be the
first time that my sense of humor has sailed over the head of others.

The reason you know my "real name" is 'cause I told you. I've never tried to
conceal my identity from those alties I've had reason to meet or deal
personally - I told you the story yesterday of how I came to have my pen
name. Discretion better part of valor, etc.

I didn't realized that our meeting was "off the record" or "not for
attribution". I though it was rekable that Dave showed up from 500 miles
away and I thought that the other alties would be interested in hearing
about what he had to say as much as they would about coffee. We are humans,
not coffee robots and the personalities in this business are just as much of
interest (at least to me) as stacks of hardware and sacks of beans - that
what was so great about seeing John in action. I didn't mean this as a
rant on DaveB at all. He really was more amiable in person than he has been
(in the past) on alt.coffee. I really meant it when I "shook" with him last
night and didn't think I said anything in the way of rant. I take no
responsibility for the repy of RJ or anyone else.

The internet and the world being what it is, you can set the agenda for an
event or a comment thread but once it is begun it is like a child that you
send out into the world - it's not yours to control anymore.

As for plaid, I was just joking w/ Ken, who apparently didn't like my shirt
(how dare he mention it in a coffee forum). Thanks for letting me know more
about plaid and tartan - I really had no idea (and sad to say I still don't
care). It was just light hearted banter. AFAIK, in common American usage
"plaid" refers to a pattern, as in "plaid shirt" while tartan is a sauce
that you have with seafood. Or something like that.





<stan.shire@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1168808871.695128.300880@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> notbob wrote:
>> On 2007-01-14, RoughJaw <rj@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> > Now all of a sudden Chris gives him "advice" and he's "going along"
>> > with
>> > it.
>>
>> Chris' Coffee is a long established no-nonsense business. Chris has a
>> link to Hi Tech and visa versa, which is no doubt a real coup for Db.
>> I suspect the "advice", though couched in the most amiable of terms,
>> basically boiled down to, 'if that petulant-6-yr-old act of yours
>> reflects poorly on my business, I'll drop you like a cheap cigar'.
>>
>> nb
> I am amazed that RoughJaw jumped on DaveB less than 12 hours after my
> post.
> A few comments
> 1. Much of what "Jack Denver" (We all know your real name) wrote was
> mentioned in a very casual way in the course of some other
> conversation. He, however, felt compelled to include it in the report
> of an event which had everthing to do with coffee and very little to do
> with personalities. My son used to do that when he was in pre-school.
> 2. Who asked anyone to change topic. If you want to rant on DaveB, go
> ahead and create your own, but allow at least one thread to continue on
> topic.
> 3. RJ (and a number of folks here) seem to be much more interested in
> turning this into alt.jackass.
> 4. Jack, if you insist on pontificating, at least know what you're
> talking about.Plaid is not a pattern, it is a garment. The earliest
> record of the Plaid, or kilt, is about 1560. It was probably worn
> before this but there are no records of it. You are actually referring
> to "tartan."
> StanS
>




 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 18:39:43
From: RoughJaw
Subject: Can a leopard really change his spots?
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:23:36 -0500, Jack Denver wrote:

> I've notice a change in DaveB's postings lately (to the extent they snuck by
> my killfile) - they've actually seemed constructive. Dave told me that Chris
> (of Chriscoffee, his supplier) had given him (wise) advice to tone down his
> act 'cause it was bad for business and that Dave was going along with this
> advice and was going to play nice with the other kids in the sandbox from
> now on (I'm paraphrasing).

Let's see... Danny, Barry, Steve, David, and countless others tried
to patiently and reasonably explain to DaveB that spamming was neither
"nice" nor "acceptable" behavior on newsgroups, and DaveB basically
responded that he has the right to be an asshole and nobody, not even Randy
was going to stop him from exercising his god-given right to spam as much
as he cared to.

Now all of a sudden Chris gives him "advice" and he's "going along" with
it. Well, I suppose even a crasshole can be a good actor, but at his
core, he's still who he is.

> It must be tough being "on the wagon" in the
> nice department but Dave is clearly making an effort to stay "dry".

Don't forget that good ol' daveb has resolved in the past to play nice.
I hope this resolution outlasts his previous ones.

> At
> the end of the evening we shook hands and promised not to insult each
> other (too much). I had my fingers crossed so it doesn't really count,
> but I'll do it anyway.

You're a better entity than I.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com



  
Date: 14 Jan 2007 20:24:15
From:
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
On 14 Jan 2007 18:39:43 GMT, RoughJaw <rj@gmail.invalid > wrote:
Some of his/her usual drivel.

It must be sad to have as your priy purpose in life the need to
belittle others. It must be horrid being you.

I've tried to ignore your inanities for a long time now, but it gets
harder and harder. You're a sick little fool who really should seek
help.








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Date: 14 Jan 2007 14:43:48
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
On 2007-01-14, RoughJaw <rj@gmail.invalid > wrote:
>
> Now all of a sudden Chris gives him "advice" and he's "going along" with
> it.

Chris' Coffee is a long established no-nonsense business. Chris has a
link to Hi Tech and visa versa, which is no doubt a real coup for Db.
I suspect the "advice", though couched in the most amiable of terms,
basically boiled down to, 'if that petulant-6-yr-old act of yours
reflects poorly on my business, I'll drop you like a cheap cigar'.

nb


 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 10:23:36
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
Thanks again to Stan for setting this up and to John and Sultan for hosting
us. They really put a lot of effort into it.

Chestnut Hill Coffee is like a little slice of Seattle dropped into the
middle of an old money Philadelphia neighborhood. I think a lot of
Philadelphian's don't quite know what to make of this - they know that
generally speaking the coffee is good if they wander in, but they have no
idea what a treasure John is or what Seattle coffee culture is all about.
It's as if Mick Jagger has been exiled to Outer Mongolia and no one has
ever heard of the Rolling Stones there and he is working a lounge act throat
singing at the local yurt. I feel kinda sorry for John, but his talent is
such that the word will spread here eventually and maybe he'll even have
groupies again. I guess Stan counts as a groupie but I don't think he is
John's type exactly. In the mean time, CHCC is the winner of Philadelphia
Magazine's "Best Kid Friendly Coffeee Shop" award, which is better than no
award at all but is a bizarrely inappropriate award for a top line espresso
place.

John showed us his 15kg Ambex roaster in operation. He also disclosed the
formula for his secret blends. I now have these for sale to the highest
bidder, if anyone is interested. John runs around like a maniac (I mean this
in a good way) when is is roasting, racing back and forth from the tryer to
the PID control panel and the gas throttle valve, writing entries in his
logbook, checking his stopwatch, trying to stick to the schedule of his
profile. He takes a very serious and dedicated approach to roasting and his
efforts pay off judging from the results. We do need to fix him up with
some kind of data logger so that he can "play back" his roasts.

I've notice a change in DaveB's postings lately (to the extent they snuck by
my killfile) - they've actually seemed constructive. Dave told me that Chris
(of Chriscoffee, his supplier) had given him (wise) advice to tone down his
act 'cause it was bad for business and that Dave was going along with this
advice and was going to play nice with the other kids in the sandbox from
now on (I'm paraphrasing). It must be tough being "on the wagon" in the nice
department but Dave is clearly making an effort to stay "dry". At the end
of the evening we shook hands and promised not to insult each other (too
much). I had my fingers crossed so it doesn't really count, but I'll do it
anyway.




<stan.shire@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1168758006.696932.130560@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> If you are within driving distance and didn't show, you missed a great
> day.
> John, his business partner Sultan, and the CHCC baristas (Chris, Allie
> and Jason) had us set up in a reserved area on the second floor of
> Chestnut Hill Coffee Company. They couldn't do enough for us!
> They had a Mazzer Mini filled with the CHCC espresso blend beans
> (roaster on Wednesday) and an airpot of brewed coffee.
> I brought Silvia and shots were being pulled most of the afternoon. The
> baristas who were working took turns coming upstairs to try Silvia and
> once we showed them the pump switch they had a great time.
> Alties in attendance were Ramboorider, Bourboncoffee, Jack Denver and
> (winner of the furthest drive) DaveB (please hold all daveb flames
> until at least mid-week) and potential altie , JohnS. (I'll get him)
> John Hornall spent the entire afternoon with us and pulled a Silvia
> double.
> Everything was discussed, from beans, to roasting, to the measurable
> caffeine levels in Puget Sound water.John set up a cupping and
> explained how to do it correctly, had three coffees which we cupped and
> we probably drove out a few customers between the snorting, slurping
> and spitting.
> After a lunch break, those of us interested in roasting, went over to
> CHCC's roastery. John did an extensive explanation of roasting on big
> batch (bigger than most of us have ) machines, had us smelling bags and
> bags of green, and then roasted a few batches for the shop. Anything
> that is bright yellow and chrome and has flames inside gets my
> attention.
> I want to thank John, Sultan, Chris, Allie and Jason for making this an
> excellent day. They are super people and run a great shop.
>
> If there is enough interest I can convince John to let us come again in
> the summer. I think he enjoyed this as much as we did.
> Pix are at
>
> http://www.stanshire.com/Hornall/John%20Hornall/Home.html
>
> John S has also posted some pics and short videos at
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/jonspielberg/Jan07CoffeeShop
>
> Note to Barry:
> I told John what you asked. In an effort to keep this post reasonably
> family-friendly, I'll withold his comments.
>
> Stan S
>




  
Date: 14 Jan 2007 19:36:43
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:23:36 -0500, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>Thanks again to Stan for setting this up and to John and Sultan for hosting
>us. They really put a lot of effort into it.

And how was the espresso? Learn anything?

I think I'm the one who first urged Philly pholks to visit. So, I've
got a kind of vested interest.

shall "worth a walk, worth a trip, worth a journey?"


   
Date: 14 Jan 2007 15:25:44
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
A far sight better than anything else I've had in Philadelphia. John's
barista skills are awesome but I think he was used to having more of a
support network in Seattle - here in exile he's been forced to wear many
hats - not just head barista but cupper, roaster, blender, the whole nine
yards. I think even he would say that his roasting skills are a work in
progress that are improving as he learns. He also uses a lot of clean wet
process Centrals and Colombian in his espresso blend - more than my personal
preference. So I'd book the air tickets but make them for next summer.

"shall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote in message
news:fc1lq29le96katvc4mel5cp7ml8eo9r3i3@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:23:36 -0500, "Jack Denver"
>>
> And how was the espresso?
>




  
Date: 14 Jan 2007 19:25:19
From: Ken Wilson
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
Now, now - Maddy told me you were a nice person and i believed her.

Dunno with that shirt though - don't wear that when you come over here - all
right?



Oh - what's the bit of brown cloth in the roaster cooling tray on page 4.
(I want it bad - La M G3) - a tea shirt?

Ken





"Jack At the end
> of the evening we shook hands and promised not to insult each other (too
> much). I had my fingers crossed so it doesn't really count, but I'll do
> it anyway.





   
Date: 14 Jan 2007 15:04:17
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
I think Maddy (R.I.P) would have liked Alice Roosevelt's embroidered pillow,
which read "If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit next to me."

So far I have one person saying I'm being too easy on Mr. B and one (you)
implying I'm not being nice so I must be doing something right.

Is plaid originally a British Isle's thing? Us Amurricans wear it on our
shirts 'cause real men don't wear skirts. That's the tartan of the Clan
McDenver.

It's indeed an LM shirt. John's technique was that he would dump the samples
from the tryer onto this shirt and then he'd remove both shirt and beans
from the cooling dray before dumping the drum. You have to have some kind of
regular ritual and everything in its usual place because at the end of the
roast things are happening very fast and you don't have time to think about
what you are doing or start looking for items.






"Ken Wilson" <ken@kwilsonDEDUCT.fsnet.co.uk > wrote in message
news:eoe02v$mod$1@aioe.org...
> Now, now - Maddy told me you were a nice person and i believed her.
>
> Dunno with that shirt though - don't wear that when you come over here -
> all right?
>
>
>
> Oh - what's the bit of brown cloth in the roaster cooling tray on page 4.
> (I want it bad - La M G3) - a tea shirt?
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jack At the end
>> of the evening we shook hands and promised not to insult each other (too
>> much). I had my fingers crossed so it doesn't really count, but I'll do
>> it anyway.
>
>
>




    
Date: 14 Jan 2007 23:21:58
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:04:17 -0500, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>I think Maddy (R.I.P) would have liked Alice Roosevelt's embroidered pillow,
>which read "If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit next to me."
>

...and she as much as said those words to june when the topic of
conversation drifted to someone neither particularly admired.




 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 07:17:36
From:
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
Hi everybody, I want to thank Stan for putting this event together, it
was an amazing pleasure to hang out and talk coffee with all of the
altcoffee folks. Whatup Barry?

On Jan 14, 4:12 am, "CoffeeKid" <Coffee...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Looked like a ton of fun! Damn, I miss Jonnie Nitro. Or at least miss
> being able to drive for only a couple of hours and have him pull me 10
> macchiatos in a row.
>
> He's still pummelling the hell out of that portafilter, huh. ;)
>
> k
>
>
>
> stan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > If you are within driving distance and didn't show, you missed a great
> > day.
> > John, his business partner Sultan, and the CHCC baristas (Chris, Allie
> > and Jason) had us set up in a reserved area on the second floor of
> > Chestnut Hill Coffee Company. They couldn't do enough for us!
> > They had a Mazzer Mini filled with the CHCC espresso blend beans
> > (roaster on Wednesday) and an airpot of brewed coffee.
> > I brought Silvia and shots were being pulled most of the afternoon. The
> > baristas who were working took turns coming upstairs to try Silvia and
> > once we showed them the pump switch they had a great time.
> > Alties in attendance were Ramboorider, Bourboncoffee, Jack Denver and
> > (winner of the furthest drive) DaveB (please hold all daveb flames
> > until at least mid-week) and potential altie , JohnS. (I'll get him)
> > John Hornall spent the entire afternoon with us and pulled a Silvia
> > double.
> > Everything was discussed, from beans, to roasting, to the measurable
> > caffeine levels in Puget Sound water.John set up a cupping and
> > explained how to do it correctly, had three coffees which we cupped and
> > we probably drove out a few customers between the snorting, slurping
> > and spitting.
> > After a lunch break, those of us interested in roasting, went over to
> > CHCC's roastery. John did an extensive explanation of roasting on big
> > batch (bigger than most of us have ) machines, had us smelling bags and
> > bags of green, and then roasted a few batches for the shop. Anything
> > that is bright yellow and chrome and has flames inside gets my
> > attention.
> > I want to thank John, Sultan, Chris, Allie and Jason for making this an
> > excellent day. They are super people and run a great shop.
>
> > If there is enough interest I can convince John to let us come again in
> > the summer. I think he enjoyed this as much as we did.
> > Pix are at
>
> >http://www.stanshire.com/Hornall/John%20Hornall/Home.html
>
> > John S has also posted some pics and short videos at
>
> >http://picasaweb.google.com/jonspielberg/Jan07CoffeeShop
>
> > Note to Barry:
> > I told John what you asked. In an effort to keep this post reasonably
> > family-friendly, I'll withold his comments.
>
> > Stan S- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -



  
Date: 14 Jan 2007 19:05:01
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
On 14 Jan 2007 07:17:36 -0800, a1beanboy@hotmail.com wrote:

>Hi everybody, I want to thank Stan for putting this event together, it
>was an amazing pleasure to hang out and talk coffee with all of the
>altcoffee folks. Whatup Barry?
>

heh-heh-heh....


hiya john!



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 07:14:27
From:
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
Hey k, too bad you missed out. Your well I hope, you know me... one
can never pack hard enough. Cheers!! get to Philly, Man.

On Jan 14, 4:12 am, "CoffeeKid" <Coffee...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Looked like a ton of fun! Damn, I miss Jonnie Nitro. Or at least miss
> being able to drive for only a couple of hours and have him pull me 10
> macchiatos in a row.
>
> He's still pummelling the hell out of that portafilter, huh. ;)
>
> k
>
>
>
> stan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > If you are within driving distance and didn't show, you missed a great
> > day.
> > John, his business partner Sultan, and the CHCC baristas (Chris, Allie
> > and Jason) had us set up in a reserved area on the second floor of
> > Chestnut Hill Coffee Company. They couldn't do enough for us!
> > They had a Mazzer Mini filled with the CHCC espresso blend beans
> > (roaster on Wednesday) and an airpot of brewed coffee.
> > I brought Silvia and shots were being pulled most of the afternoon. The
> > baristas who were working took turns coming upstairs to try Silvia and
> > once we showed them the pump switch they had a great time.
> > Alties in attendance were Ramboorider, Bourboncoffee, Jack Denver and
> > (winner of the furthest drive) DaveB (please hold all daveb flames
> > until at least mid-week) and potential altie , JohnS. (I'll get him)
> > John Hornall spent the entire afternoon with us and pulled a Silvia
> > double.
> > Everything was discussed, from beans, to roasting, to the measurable
> > caffeine levels in Puget Sound water.John set up a cupping and
> > explained how to do it correctly, had three coffees which we cupped and
> > we probably drove out a few customers between the snorting, slurping
> > and spitting.
> > After a lunch break, those of us interested in roasting, went over to
> > CHCC's roastery. John did an extensive explanation of roasting on big
> > batch (bigger than most of us have ) machines, had us smelling bags and
> > bags of green, and then roasted a few batches for the shop. Anything
> > that is bright yellow and chrome and has flames inside gets my
> > attention.
> > I want to thank John, Sultan, Chris, Allie and Jason for making this an
> > excellent day. They are super people and run a great shop.
>
> > If there is enough interest I can convince John to let us come again in
> > the summer. I think he enjoyed this as much as we did.
> > Pix are at
>
> >http://www.stanshire.com/Hornall/John%20Hornall/Home.html
>
> > John S has also posted some pics and short videos at
>
> >http://picasaweb.google.com/jonspielberg/Jan07CoffeeShop
>
> > Note to Barry:
> > I told John what you asked. In an effort to keep this post reasonably
> > family-friendly, I'll withold his comments.
>
> > Stan S- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 06:08:36
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
Yes indeed, a VERY nice time. Thanks again to Stan for pulling it all
together and John and Sultan for being the consumate hosts. Nice to put
faces with names and everyone was good company. It was great seeing
Jack Denver (not his real name - something about insulting some guys
daughter online) and DaveB conversing in a friendly manner and even
seeming to enjoy each other's company. I didn't learn as much about
pulling espresso as on my first visit to the shop, but I learned what
cupping is and that's its 95% wasted on a guy with no sense of smell!
The other 5% was the actual tasting portion that I could take part in
and get a bit out of, particularly the differences as the cups cooled.

We should do it again sometime.

-Ray


On Jan 14, 2:00 am, stan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
> If you are within driving distance and didn't show, you missed a great
> day.
> John, his business partner Sultan, and the CHCC baristas (Chris, Allie
> and Jason) had us set up in a reserved area on the second floor of
> Chestnut Hill Coffee Company. They couldn't do enough for us!
> They had a Mazzer Mini filled with the CHCC espresso blend beans
> (roaster on Wednesday) and an airpot of brewed coffee.
> I brought Silvia and shots were being pulled most of the afternoon. The
> baristas who were working took turns coming upstairs to try Silvia and
> once we showed them the pump switch they had a great time.
> Alties in attendance were Ramboorider, Bourboncoffee, Jack Denver and
> (winner of the furthest drive) DaveB (please hold all daveb flames
> until at least mid-week) and potential altie , JohnS. (I'll get him)
> John Hornall spent the entire afternoon with us and pulled a Silvia
> double.
> Everything was discussed, from beans, to roasting, to the measurable
> caffeine levels in Puget Sound water.John set up a cupping and
> explained how to do it correctly, had three coffees which we cupped and
> we probably drove out a few customers between the snorting, slurping
> and spitting.
> After a lunch break, those of us interested in roasting, went over to
> CHCC's roastery. John did an extensive explanation of roasting on big
> batch (bigger than most of us have ) machines, had us smelling bags and
> bags of green, and then roasted a few batches for the shop. Anything
> that is bright yellow and chrome and has flames inside gets my
> attention.
> I want to thank John, Sultan, Chris, Allie and Jason for making this an
> excellent day. They are super people and run a great shop.
>
> If there is enough interest I can convince John to let us come again in
> the summer. I think he enjoyed this as much as we did.
> Pix are at
>
> http://www.stanshire.com/Hornall/John%20Hornall/Home.html
>
> John S has also posted some pics and short videos at
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/jonspielberg/Jan07CoffeeShop
>
> Note to Barry:
> I told John what you asked. In an effort to keep this post reasonably
> family-friendly, I'll withold his comments.
>
> Stan S



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 01:12:48
From: CoffeeKid
Subject: Re: Alt.coffee visit to John Hornall's shop
Looked like a ton of fun! Damn, I miss Jonnie Nitro. Or at least miss
being able to drive for only a couple of hours and have him pull me 10
macchiatos in a row.

He's still pummelling the hell out of that portafilter, huh. ;)

k


stan.shire@gmail.com wrote:
> If you are within driving distance and didn't show, you missed a great
> day.
> John, his business partner Sultan, and the CHCC baristas (Chris, Allie
> and Jason) had us set up in a reserved area on the second floor of
> Chestnut Hill Coffee Company. They couldn't do enough for us!
> They had a Mazzer Mini filled with the CHCC espresso blend beans
> (roaster on Wednesday) and an airpot of brewed coffee.
> I brought Silvia and shots were being pulled most of the afternoon. The
> baristas who were working took turns coming upstairs to try Silvia and
> once we showed them the pump switch they had a great time.
> Alties in attendance were Ramboorider, Bourboncoffee, Jack Denver and
> (winner of the furthest drive) DaveB (please hold all daveb flames
> until at least mid-week) and potential altie , JohnS. (I'll get him)
> John Hornall spent the entire afternoon with us and pulled a Silvia
> double.
> Everything was discussed, from beans, to roasting, to the measurable
> caffeine levels in Puget Sound water.John set up a cupping and
> explained how to do it correctly, had three coffees which we cupped and
> we probably drove out a few customers between the snorting, slurping
> and spitting.
> After a lunch break, those of us interested in roasting, went over to
> CHCC's roastery. John did an extensive explanation of roasting on big
> batch (bigger than most of us have ) machines, had us smelling bags and
> bags of green, and then roasted a few batches for the shop. Anything
> that is bright yellow and chrome and has flames inside gets my
> attention.
> I want to thank John, Sultan, Chris, Allie and Jason for making this an
> excellent day. They are super people and run a great shop.
>
> If there is enough interest I can convince John to let us come again in
> the summer. I think he enjoyed this as much as we did.
> Pix are at
>
> http://www.stanshire.com/Hornall/John%20Hornall/Home.html
>
> John S has also posted some pics and short videos at
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/jonspielberg/Jan07CoffeeShop
>
> Note to Barry:
> I told John what you asked. In an effort to keep this post reasonably
> family-friendly, I'll withold his comments.
>
> Stan S