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Date: 18 Sep 2007 05:29:05
From: Chris
Subject: Anyone know of a Rancilio Silvia for sale?
I'm looking to purchase my first espresso machine, and JUST missed out
on a working Silvia for $150. I thought I had it. I may be
purchasing a Gaggia Carezza with PID and PRV/OPV, but for a little
more than $150. I don't know how Gaggias compare with the Silvia,
since I'm so new to the home barista thing.

So...if anyone knows of a Silvia that someone wants to unload cheap,
or if anyone can console me by telling me that the Carezza really is
as good as the Silvia, please let me know!

Thanks!





 
Date: 21 Sep 2007 16:20:46
From: pm
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a Rancilio Silvia for sale?
On Sep 21, 12:10 am, Musicman <crisp...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > The Carezza operates off an ittybitty, mini-boiler/thermalblock. The
> > Silvia's boiler may hold five times the water of the Carezza. Only
> > one relevant end result matters, though, the best extraction
> > temperature for the best possible flavor. The Gaggia otherwise has a
> > fine pump and grouphead;- where it shaves itself for half-a-dozen or
> > more times less the Silvia, is by way of forgoing a 3-way pressure
> > release valve, and in a surrounding PVC casing it's cast. The big
> > advantage, but again this is all irrelevant, is the Gaggia boiler has
> > two heater elements: a) it draws near 2000 watts, b) the plug and
> > first six inches of cord at the outlet get toasty warm, c) things
> > momentarily bubble, expand, and make exciting crackling noises, d)
> > before, presto, in virtually less than no time, there's steam enough
> > to froth milk.
>
> > Yes, I think the Carezza is good, knowing good to be relevant to what
> > others ought rightfully be accorded as good for what. If you,
> > however, want to base your decision within a reasonable expectation
> > and cost of a $150 Carezza, I'd say you've closer chances of enjoying
> > a taste and processes of extracting espresso (over lesser-priced
> > machines), than ever bagging a $150 Silvia that wasn't run over by a
> > half-ton.
>
> Wow - you know your stuff! And you're right. I keep looking for
> Silvias on eBay, and on Cragslist all over the country, and not
> showing up anything less than $375. I've decided to go with the
> Carezza and use it to learn the ropes. If I'm still enjoying the
> process in a year, then I'll save up for an upgrade.
>
> Thanks for the info - it helps to know more.

How do you search craigslist all over the country (besides one
location at a time)? just curious.



 
Date: 21 Sep 2007 06:21:20
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a Rancilio Silvia for sale?
On Sep 21, 12:10 am, Musicman <crisp...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > The Carezza operates off an ittybitty, mini-boiler/thermalblock. The
> > Silvia's boiler may hold five times the water of the Carezza. Only
> > one relevant end result matters, though, the best extraction
> > temperature for the best possible flavor. The Gaggia otherwise has a
> > fine pump and grouphead;- where it shaves itself for half-a-dozen or
> > more times less the Silvia, is by way of forgoing a 3-way pressure
> > release valve, and in a surrounding PVC casing it's cast. The big
> > advantage, but again this is all irrelevant, is the Gaggia boiler has
> > two heater elements: a) it draws near 2000 watts, b) the plug and
> > first six inches of cord at the outlet get toasty warm, c) things
> > momentarily bubble, expand, and make exciting crackling noises, d)
> > before, presto, in virtually less than no time, there's steam enough
> > to froth milk.
>
> > Yes, I think the Carezza is good, knowing good to be relevant to what
> > others ought rightfully be accorded as good for what. If you,
> > however, want to base your decision within a reasonable expectation
> > and cost of a $150 Carezza, I'd say you've closer chances of enjoying
> > a taste and processes of extracting espresso (over lesser-priced
> > machines), than ever bagging a $150 Silvia that wasn't run over by a
> > half-ton.
>
> Wow - you know your stuff! And you're right. I keep looking for
> Silvias on eBay, and on Cragslist all over the country, and not
> showing up anything less than $375. I've decided to go with the
> Carezza and use it to learn the ropes. If I'm still enjoying the
> process in a year, then I'll save up for an upgrade.
>
> Thanks for the info - it helps to know more.

Seems they just recently went up. Some among Silvia fans feel the
price isn't what it once represented, the best value on quality
construction for an auto espresso maker. The quality is still there,
but the value is truer to considerations alongside alternative brand
offerings for potentially a step up. Silvia as a sub-$500, affordable
entry class machine has left the building, ladies and gentlemen.

First impression of the Carezza, out of the box, is, man, what a
gusher. There's desired mass to a 58mm brass PF, 5 lbs., offhand, a
well-constructed and salient selling point. Without a fine enough
grind, though, 25 seconds extractions tend turn into an unacceptable 5
or 10 seconds. If you've got a good grinder, great. Me, I'm
borderline - with an $80 Capresso Infinity, some complain work awhile
before ceasing to grind fine enough. Luckily I can and leave it alone
- it's a one-shot, either works or doesn't. No leeway except for
finest grind, where I get 25 second extractions -- any further
variations come from either the tamp or roasting my own (darker, sugar-
caramelized roasts tend to be harder pucks with longer extractions).

Good machine, overall. May not make SCAA certified espresso, but
definitely turns out a damn sight better taste anything I've had that
was brewed. Enjoy.

(Pardon duplicates and a top-post, occasional anomalies appear in
Google's machine, etc.)



 
Date: 21 Sep 2007 06:06:16
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a Rancilio Silvia for sale?
On Sep 21, 12:10 am, Musicman <crisp...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > The Carezza operates off an ittybitty, mini-boiler/thermalblock. The
> > Silvia's boiler may hold five times the water of the Carezza. Only
> > one relevant end result matters, though, the best extraction
> > temperature for the best possible flavor. The Gaggia otherwise has a
> > fine pump and grouphead;- where it shaves itself for half-a-dozen or
> > more times less the Silvia, is by way of forgoing a 3-way pressure
> > release valve, and in a surrounding PVC casing it's cast. The big
> > advantage, but again this is all irrelevant, is the Gaggia boiler has
> > two heater elements: a) it draws near 2000 watts, b) the plug and
> > first six inches of cord at the outlet get toasty warm, c) things
> > momentarily bubble, expand, and make exciting crackling noises, d)
> > before, presto, in virtually less than no time, there's steam enough
> > to froth milk.
>
> > Yes, I think the Carezza is good, knowing good to be relevant to what
> > others ought rightfully be accorded as good for what. If you,
> > however, want to base your decision within a reasonable expectation
> > and cost of a $150 Carezza, I'd say you've closer chances of enjoying
> > a taste and processes of extracting espresso (over lesser-priced
> > machines), than ever bagging a $150 Silvia that wasn't run over by a
> > half-ton.
>
> Wow - you know your stuff! And you're right. I keep looking for
> Silvias on eBay, and on Cragslist all over the country, and not
> showing up anything less than $375. I've decided to go with the
> Carezza and use it to learn the ropes. If I'm still enjoying the
> process in a year, then I'll save up for an upgrade.
>
> Thanks for the info - it helps to know more.

Seems they just recently went up. Some among Silvia fans feel the
price isn't what it once represented, the best value on quality
construction for an auto espresso maker. The quality is still there,
but the value is truer to considerations alongside alternative brand
offerings for potentially a step up. Silvia as a sub-$500, affordable
entry class machine has left the building, ladies and gentlemen.

First impression of the Carezza, out of the box, is, man, what a
gusher. There's desired mass to a 58mm brass PF, 5 lbs., offhand, a
well-constructed and salient selling point. Without a fine enough
grind, though, 25 seconds extractions tend turn into an unacceptable 5
or 10 seconds. If you've got a good grinder, great. Me, I'm
borderline - with an $80 Capresso Infinity, some complain work awhile
before ceasing to grind fine enough. Luckily I can and leave it alone
- it's a one-shot, either works or doesn't. No leeway except for
finest grind, where I get 25 second extractions -- any further
variations come from either the tamp or roasting my own (darker, sugar-
caramelized roasts tend to be harder pucks with longer extractions).

Good machine, overall. May not make SCAA certified espresso, but
definitely turns out a damn sight better taste anything I've had that
was brewed. Enjoy.



 
Date: 21 Sep 2007 04:10:51
From: Musicman
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a Rancilio Silvia for sale?
> The Carezza operates off an ittybitty, mini-boiler/thermalblock. The
> Silvia's boiler may hold five times the water of the Carezza. Only
> one relevant end result matters, though, the best extraction
> temperature for the best possible flavor. The Gaggia otherwise has a
> fine pump and grouphead;- where it shaves itself for half-a-dozen or
> more times less the Silvia, is by way of forgoing a 3-way pressure
> release valve, and in a surrounding PVC casing it's cast. The big
> advantage, but again this is all irrelevant, is the Gaggia boiler has
> two heater elements: a) it draws near 2000 watts, b) the plug and
> first six inches of cord at the outlet get toasty warm, c) things
> momentarily bubble, expand, and make exciting crackling noises, d)
> before, presto, in virtually less than no time, there's steam enough
> to froth milk.
>
> Yes, I think the Carezza is good, knowing good to be relevant to what
> others ought rightfully be accorded as good for what. If you,
> however, want to base your decision within a reasonable expectation
> and cost of a $150 Carezza, I'd say you've closer chances of enjoying
> a taste and processes of extracting espresso (over lesser-priced
> machines), than ever bagging a $150 Silvia that wasn't run over by a
> half-ton.

Wow - you know your stuff! And you're right. I keep looking for
Silvias on eBay, and on Cragslist all over the country, and not
showing up anything less than $375. I've decided to go with the
Carezza and use it to learn the ropes. If I'm still enjoying the
process in a year, then I'll save up for an upgrade.

Thanks for the info - it helps to know more.



 
Date: 20 Sep 2007 07:13:54
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a Rancilio Silvia for sale?
On Sep 18, 1:29 am, Chris <crisp...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I'm looking to purchase my first espresso machine, and JUST missed out
> on a working Silvia for $150. I thought I had it. I may be
> purchasing a Gaggia Carezza with PID and PRV/OPV, but for a little
> more than $150. I don't know how Gaggias compare with the Silvia,
> since I'm so new to the home barista thing.
>
> So...if anyone knows of a Silvia that someone wants to unload cheap,
> or if anyone can console me by telling me that the Carezza really is
> as good as the Silvia, please let me know!
>
> Thanks!

The Carezza operates off an ittybitty, mini-boiler/thermalblock. The
Silvia's boiler may hold five times the water of the Carezza. Only
one relevant end result matters, though, the best extraction
temperature for the best possible flavor. The Gaggia otherwise has a
fine pump and grouphead;- where it shaves itself for half-a-dozen or
more times less the Silvia, is by way of forgoing a 3-way pressure
release valve, and in a surrounding PVC casing it's cast. The big
advantage, but again this is all irrelevant, is the Gaggia boiler has
two heater elements: a) it draws near 2000 watts, b) the plug and
first six inches of cord at the outlet get toasty warm, c) things
momentarily bubble, expand, and make exciting crackling noises, d)
before, presto, in virtually less than no time, there's steam enough
to froth milk.

Yes, I think the Carezza is good, knowing good to be relevant to what
others ought rightfully be accorded as good for what. If you,
however, want to base your decision within a reasonable expectation
and cost of a $150 Carezza, I'd say you've closer chances of enjoying
a taste and processes of extracting espresso (over lesser-priced
machines), than ever bagging a $150 Silvia that wasn't run over by a
half-ton.



 
Date: 18 Sep 2007 23:56:19
From: Don C.
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a Rancilio Silvia for sale?
On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Chris <crisp...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 18, 8:57 am, "Craig Andrews" <alt.cof...@deletethis.rogers.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Chris" <crisp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1190121648.258725.105210@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> Chris, check out the Buy Sell & Trade section on the Coffeegeek forums!
> > >> There were a couple up there a few days ago.
> > >> Good luck!
> > >> Craig.
>
> > > Actually - that's where I saw the Slivia I missed out on! I think I
> > > saw it only an hour too late. Sigh....
>
> > Hey Chris, I see that., your handle cjbrubaker. I'm CraigA there. Maybe the
> > deal may not work out for him for the only guy before you (marcus) one
> > reason or another, & you'll be the very next in line!
> > Craig.
>
> Hi Craig - actually, I'm not cjbrubaker. At CoffeeGeek, I'm
> "musicman." I did send Jack an email shamelessly pleading with him to
> sell it to me if the deal with the current possible buyer doesn't work
> out. We'll see....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hey Chris,

I hope you're offering at least $5 to $6 hundred for that PID'ed
Silvia on CG now. Otherwise you might be insulting the seller.



 
Date: 18 Sep 2007 16:27:58
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a Rancilio Silvia for sale?
On Sep 18, 8:57 am, "Craig Andrews" <alt.cof...@deletethis.rogers.com >
wrote:
> "Chris" <crisp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1190121648.258725.105210@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> Chris, check out the Buy Sell & Trade section on the Coffeegeek forums!
> >> There were a couple up there a few days ago.
> >> Good luck!
> >> Craig.
>
> > Actually - that's where I saw the Slivia I missed out on! I think I
> > saw it only an hour too late. Sigh....
>
> Hey Chris, I see that., your handle cjbrubaker. I'm CraigA there. Maybe the
> deal may not work out for him for the only guy before you (marcus) one
> reason or another, & you'll be the very next in line!
> Craig.


Hi Craig - actually, I'm not cjbrubaker. At CoffeeGeek, I'm
"musicman." I did send Jack an email shamelessly pleading with him to
sell it to me if the deal with the current possible buyer doesn't work
out. We'll see....



 
Date: 18 Sep 2007 13:20:48
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a Rancilio Silvia for sale?
> Chris, check out the Buy Sell & Trade section on the Coffeegeek forums!
> There were a couple up there a few days ago.
> Good luck!
> Craig.

Actually - that's where I saw the Slivia I missed out on! I think I
saw it only an hour too late. Sigh....



  
Date: 18 Sep 2007 09:57:52
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a Rancilio Silvia for sale?

"Chris" <crispone@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1190121648.258725.105210@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> Chris, check out the Buy Sell & Trade section on the Coffeegeek forums!
>> There were a couple up there a few days ago.
>> Good luck!
>> Craig.
>
> Actually - that's where I saw the Slivia I missed out on! I think I
> saw it only an hour too late. Sigh....
>

Hey Chris, I see that., your handle cjbrubaker. I'm CraigA there. Maybe the
deal may not work out for him for the only guy before you (marcus) one
reason or another, & you'll be the very next in line!
Craig.



 
Date: 18 Sep 2007 12:12:14
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a Rancilio Silvia for sale?
On Sep 18, 1:29 am, Chris <crisp...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I'm looking to purchase my first espresso machine, and JUST missed out
> on a working Silvia for $150. I thought I had it. I may be
> purchasing a Gaggia Carezza with PID and PRV/OPV, but for a little
> more than $150. I don't know how Gaggias compare with the Silvia,
> since I'm so new to the home barista thing.
>
> So...if anyone knows of a Silvia that someone wants to unload cheap,
> or if anyone can console me by telling me that the Carezza really is
> as good as the Silvia, please let me know!
>
> Thanks!

Tough to find ANY silvia for $150, being new ones are up $100.00 to
$600.00 in the last year.

failing at that a Carezza, while not as good is a very good starter!

dave

www.hitechespresso.com



 
Date: 18 Sep 2007 10:37:00
From: BoldJava
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a Rancilio Silvia for sale?
Used Silivias come and go on CoffeeGeek, as Craig suggested. Be
patient and you will own one by Christmas. I scored a used one (5
mos old) and I wasn't even looking. At the offered price and
condition, I couldn't say no.

B


 
Date: 18 Sep 2007 01:41:27
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a Rancilio Silvia for sale?

"Chris" <crispone@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1190093345.114335.81970@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> I'm looking to purchase my first espresso machine, and JUST missed out
> on a working Silvia for $150. I thought I had it. I may be
> purchasing a Gaggia Carezza with PID and PRV/OPV, but for a little
> more than $150. I don't know how Gaggias compare with the Silvia,
> since I'm so new to the home barista thing.
>
> So...if anyone knows of a Silvia that someone wants to unload cheap,
> or if anyone can console me by telling me that the Carezza really is
> as good as the Silvia, please let me know!
>
> Thanks!
>

Chris, check out the Buy Sell & Trade section on the Coffeegeek forums!
There were a couple up there a few days ago.
Good luck!
Craig.