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Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:11:12
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Subject: BEST Espresso machine
I was thinking of buying a jura superauto until I actually tasted the
coffee it made ... blah!

So now I am wondering what to get I am thinking of spending no more
than $2,200 and want a grinder and a machine. Reccomendations?





 
Date: 20 Oct 2006 15:08:11
From: JoeP
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso setup

notbob wrote:
> On 2006-10-20, daveb <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus?lnk=gschg&hl=en
>
> Lousy reference, dave. Most ppl in the "Ready to buy" thread seem quite
> happy with their brewtus rigs. The most common bitch I see is against
> WLL. WLL is a retailer, not a machine.
>
> nb

Perhaps, but as a rule if its not an "Italian" made espresso machine
its not on my short list, especially at that price range. Expobar is
spanish if I remember correctly. I had an Olympia product and they make
those in switzerland which is really great untill you have to buy parts
or find a service tech etc....but quality wise they are second to none,
very robust parts that last seemingly forever. Is WLL the only retailer
to offer and service the Brewtus II? If so thats a big red flag.

Joe
www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com



 
Date: 20 Oct 2006 07:30:10
From: daveb
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso setup
"There is no question that in the past two months we have been hearing
more
and more complaints about WLL service and support. My own experience,
several months ago, was very good.

I wonder what is going on? Purely a guess on my part: the Brewtus is
proving
to have a high failure rate and overtaxing the service and support
capability of WLL. "

http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus?lnk=gschg&hl=en


Daveb


Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
> daveb wrote:
> > La Spaziale Vivaldi (reliable -- unlike brutus) -- $1800
>
> Supporting data, Dave? No? I didn't think so.



  
Date: 20 Oct 2006 10:04:59
From: notbob
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso setup
On 2006-10-20, daveb <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:

> I wonder what is going on? Purely a guess on my part.....

So, "a guess" is now conclusive supporting evidence, eh dave. You
should consider applying for a position in the Bush administration.

nb


 
Date: 20 Oct 2006 07:12:40
From: daveb
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso setup
http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus?lnk=gschg&hl=en



Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
> daveb wrote:
> > La Spaziale Vivaldi (reliable -- unlike brutus) -- $1800
>
> Supporting data, Dave? No? I didn't think so.



  
Date: 20 Oct 2006 09:59:47
From: notbob
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso setup
On 2006-10-20, daveb <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://groups.google.com/group/brewtus?lnk=gschg&hl=en

Lousy reference, dave. Most ppl in the "Ready to buy" thread seem quite
happy with their brewtus rigs. The most common bitch I see is against
WLL. WLL is a retailer, not a machine.

nb


 
Date: 20 Oct 2006 05:52:44
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso setup

daveb wrote:
> La Spaziale Vivaldi (reliable -- unlike brutus) -- $1800

Supporting data, Dave? No? I didn't think so.



 
Date: 20 Oct 2006 05:25:56
From: daveb
Subject: BEST Espresso setup
La Spaziale Vivaldi (reliable -- unlike brutus) -- $1800
Mazzer mini grinder $400

readily available as a package deal for $2,200.00

Dave
www.hitechespresso.com



 
Date: 20 Oct 2006 01:46:11
From: Todd94590
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso machine
I think the best one is the one that you research and find fits you. I
received a bonus
check awhile back, and then immediately thought of buying a super-auto,
do it all
machine. Then I did some soul searching and really thought about what
I wanted
out of it. First thoughts went to the simplicity of push a button and
drink; progressed
to the point where I wanted to actually have some elbow grease
involved, from
grinding to pulling the shot.

Myself, I ended up with a Quick Mill Andreja Premium, and now have a
decent grinder
(note: whatever grinder you have will directly impact the quality of
espresso!! well
above what espresso machine you have).

The process started, for me, two years ago when I received a Hot Top
roaster for
a birthday present. Now, my hobby has become my addiction, or is it
the other
way around... can't remember anymore.

Todd in Vallejo



 
Date: 19 Oct 2006 23:32:54
From: ZZ
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso machine

<entaotudobem@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1161277872.046023.223610@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I was thinking of buying a jura superauto until I actually tasted the
> coffee it made ... blah!
>
> So now I am wondering what to get I am thinking of spending no more
> than $2,200 and want a grinder and a machine. Reccomendations?

Have you reasearched the La Spaziale Vivaldi S1 espresso machine and the
MACAP M4 Stepless Grinder?




 
Date: 20 Oct 2006 09:19:08
From: Brent
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso machine
but was the coffee you tried actually any good?

I have had nice shots on several occaisions from jura superautos...

Brent

>I was thinking of buying a jura superauto until I actually tasted the
> coffee it made ... blah!
>
> So now I am wondering what to get I am thinking of spending no more
> than $2,200 and want a grinder and a machine. Reccomendations?
>




 
Date: 19 Oct 2006 12:40:02
From: Cordovero
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso machine
I'd add a homeroaster unless you live near a good roaster.

And you have to decide if you can do plumb in (which would mean plumbable
and rotary pump)

Maybe a Bricoletta (1100) or a Brewtus 2 (1400), a Mazzer Mini (400), and
one of those new roasters from Korea (500).

All prices estimated from memory.

C

<entaotudobem@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1161277872.046023.223610@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I was thinking of buying a jura superauto until I actually tasted the
> coffee it made ... blah!
>
> So now I am wondering what to get I am thinking of spending no more
> than $2,200 and want a grinder and a machine. Reccomendations?
>




 
Date: 19 Oct 2006 12:41:59
From: JoeP
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso machine

entaotudobem@gmail.com wrote:
> I was thinking of buying a jura superauto until I actually tasted the
> coffee it made ... blah!
>
> So now I am wondering what to get I am thinking of spending no more
> than $2,200 and want a grinder and a machine. Reccomendations?

Well thats a question that should make this thread extremely long.
Mazzer is a must and the rest is up for opinion. You could get an HX or
a double boiler I would imagine at your price range. If you like the HX
theory, I have been very pleased with my Bezzera bz02 which is
basically a cheaper Pasquini Livia 90(also a machine I would
reccommend). Your best bet is to find what features you are looking for
and prioritize them and then ask for reccommendatins.

Joe
www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com
"freinds getting together and splitting bags of coffee"



  
Date: 19 Oct 2006 21:49:26
From: Ken Wilson
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso machine
"JoeP"
> Mazzer is a must and the rest is up for opinion.

Oh, good heavens - when did this become an alt.c given?





   
Date: 19 Oct 2006 17:50:22
From: Cordovero
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso machine
"Ken Wilson" <ken@kwilsonDEDUCT.fsnet.co.uk > wrote in message
news:eh8ocj$vvf$1@emma.aioe.org...
> "JoeP"
>> Mazzer is a must and the rest is up for opinion.
>
> Oh, good heavens - when did this become an alt.c given?

It's in the FAQ, right next to the part on PID's.

C




   
Date: 20 Oct 2006 12:11:38
From: Brent
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso machine
> "JoeP"
>> Mazzer is a must and the rest is up for opinion.
>
> Oh, good heavens - when did this become an alt.c given?
>
>

I thought that the minimum had moved up from the Rocky to the mini. :)

(The SJ will be next, the thought of the robur being the "entry level" is
kind of scary)

Brent





 
Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:46:40
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: BEST Espresso machine
I think that most people here would urge you away from a superauto.

The Expobar Brewtus II at $1700 and a Mazzer Mini Electronic at $700 or
a non-electronic Mini for a couple hundred less (round figures;
discounts can be had) would be close to your target and a good
combination. But others have far more experience than I and may be
able to offer better recommendations.

Good luck. Let us know what you choose.



entaotudobem@gmail.com wrote:
> I was thinking of buying a jura superauto until I actually tasted the
> coffee it made ... blah!
>
> So now I am wondering what to get I am thinking of spending no more
> than $2,200 and want a grinder and a machine. Reccomendations?