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Date: 14 Dec 2006 09:50:49
From: Guy Snape
Subject: Beware Silvia seller on Ebay UK
Looks like I've had a lucky escape - last week I won the auction for a
Silvia on Ebay UK (the seller referred to it as "Sylvia" but everything
else looked convincing, there was a decent tamper thrown in and it
mentioned a blank plate for backflushing, and they'd bought an E61 hence
the sale). However: the seller had 0 feedback history and insisted on
payment by bank transfer. He emailed me once right after the auction
ended, to say that he would send the machine the next day. I wanted him
to use an insured parcel service and also some confirmation of his
identity as I wouldn't be covered for the full amount as it wasn't going
through paypal, so I held off paying until I had some more communication
from him. Despite emailing lots of times and phoning the number Ebay
gave me, I couldn't get in touch, so I still haven't paid.

This morning I got an email from someone else in the auction who said
he'd mailed them to say he was relisting the machine and they paid him
by bank transfer but have not received the machine or heard anything
else since.

I shall of course retract my bid and put negative feedback for the
seller, not that he's likely to use that account again.

- guy
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 21:23:33
From: razmoo
Subject: Re: Beware Silvia seller on Ebay UK
Just adding that on Ebay AU, some recommended ways of paying are bank
transfer, and paypal. They don't allow western union etc.



 
Date: 17 Dec 2006 21:17:45
From: razmoo
Subject: Re: Beware Silvia seller on Ebay UK
I'm not exactly sure I get it still, some clarification would be great.

I live in Australia btw, and to do a bank transfer the seller sends you
his account name, bank account number and BSB number
(bank/state/branch).

So then you transfer the money from your account to theirs. I suppose
the seller might receive the money and not send the item, but it isn't
exactly easy to open a bank account and then at least you have their
details?



 
Date: 14 Dec 2006 23:21:37
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Beware Silvia seller on Ebay UK
the chances of recovering any of the [stolen] money is just about ZERO.

there are plenty of SAFEer ways to pay.

DAVE -- seven years of buying / selling on ebay -- worldwide.

razmoo wrote:
> isn't bank transfer kind of safe as you know who's bank account it is
> and I assume you can get the authorities involved if its a scam?



 
Date: 14 Dec 2006 22:42:15
From: Hunter
Subject: Re: Beware Silvia seller on Ebay UK

razmoo wrote:
> isn't bank transfer kind of safe as you know who's bank account it is
> and I assume you can get the authorities involved if its a scam?

NO.

Let me explain the number one scam on Ebay...I know this because my
retail website was subject to this, but luckily we were able to
straighten everything out.

Here is what happens:

The scammer places an item up for bid on ebay. Someone wins the
auction and then the scammer asks for wire transfer for payment. Often
when the winner refuses to do this, the scammer then offers to ship the
item, and once the auction winner receives the item and trusts the
seller the winner can wire the money. At this point the scammer places
an order through a retail website with the ship-to address as the
person who won the auction, but the payment is made using stolen credit
card information. All of the billing information, even the phone
number, is correct. Because of this, merchants can get screwed real
quick, especially during the holiday season when it is more common to
have a different shipping address for gifts. Typically the credit card
information was gained through some phishing scheme and this is the
first time that particular card information has been used by the
scammer, so of course none of the credit card processing company's
fraud-checks throw up any red flags.

They even go through the trouble of stealing someone elses IP address
when they place the order. There is very little help from law
enforcement agencies when online fraud like this happens.

So, buyers beware...



 
Date: 14 Dec 2006 20:15:53
From: razmoo
Subject: Re: Beware Silvia seller on Ebay UK
isn't bank transfer kind of safe as you know who's bank account it is
and I assume you can get the authorities involved if its a scam?



  
Date: 17 Dec 2006 17:55:34
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Beware Silvia seller on Ebay UK
Don't assume. Most law enforcement agencies aren't equipped to handle
computer fraud. Your chances of recovery are almost nil. Use a credit card
and be safe[r]. But check the other vital signs as well before you venture
more than you can afford to lose. I still can't believe the case of a
person who bought a [non-existent] car online and sent a cashier's check for
the total amount. But it happens.

"razmoo" <anson.d@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1166156153.399177.157270@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> isn't bank transfer kind of safe as you know who's bank account it is
> and I assume you can get the authorities involved if its a scam?
>




 
Date: 14 Dec 2006 07:56:25
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Beware Silvia seller on Ebay UK


On Dec 14, 10:37 am, "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net > wrote:
> Never ever pay by bank transfer. This is a sure sign of a scam on ebay. You
> might as well put cash in an envelope and leave it under a rock in the park.
>
Or set it on fire!

dave



 
Date: 14 Dec 2006 10:37:12
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Beware Silvia seller on Ebay UK
Never ever pay by bank transfer. This is a sure sign of a scam on ebay. You
might as well put cash in an envelope and leave it under a rock in the park.

"Guy Snape" <guy@snapefamily.theobvious.org.uk > wrote in message
news:Z79gh.16069$HV6.7359@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
> Looks like I've had a lucky escape - last week I won the auction for a
> Silvia on Ebay UK (the seller referred to it as "Sylvia" but everything
> else looked convincing, there was a decent tamper thrown in and it
> mentioned a blank plate for backflushing, and they'd bought an E61 hence
> the sale). However: the seller had 0 feedback history and insisted on
> payment by bank transfer. He emailed me once right after the auction
> ended, to say that he would send the machine the next day. I wanted him to
> use an insured parcel service and also some confirmation of his identity
> as I wouldn't be covered for the full amount as it wasn't going through
> paypal, so I held off paying until I had some more communication from him.
> Despite emailing lots of times and phoning the number Ebay gave me, I
> couldn't get in touch, so I still haven't paid.
>
> This morning I got an email from someone else in the auction who said he'd
> mailed them to say he was relisting the machine and they paid him by bank
> transfer but have not received the machine or heard anything else since.
>
> I shall of course retract my bid and put negative feedback for the seller,
> not that he's likely to use that account again.
>
> - guy
> --
> Remove the obvious to reply.