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Date: 02 Dec 2006 11:19:47
From: RGF
Subject: Bezzera vs. Rancillio
Hi,
We are looking to buy a new grinder to match our Isomac Mondiale (for
home use), we are considering either of the following doser grinders:

Bezzera BB003
Bezzera BB004
Rancillio Rocky

The Bezzera seems like a safe/good choice (looks, construction, etc)
over the well known Rocky.
But for all you connoisseurs out there! please share with us - which
one would you recommend?

Regards,
Ralph





 
Date: 04 Dec 2006 07:38:44
From: RGF
Subject: Re: Bezzera vs. Rancillio
Will do Joe, I found "Caficultores" (growers/processors) which do work
with both natural and dry processes, as soon as I get some beans I will
contact you for a shipping address.

I will be seeking local Caturra, Borboun, and Catimur - but in the
island I noticed that there are other coffee tree varieties, the ones
mentioned are the most commercial types.

Cheers,
Ralph

On Dec 3, 10:59 pm, "JoeP" <j...@internet-realty.com > wrote:
> RGF wrote:
> > Hi Joe, thanks for the additional comments. I think that we are going
> > to go for theBezzeraBB004, it is not a stepless grinder, but some
> > folks who contacted me directly seem very satisfied with the results
> > and more so with the looks. The Cunill was a runner up in my book but
> > my boss (wife...:)) does not like how it will look in the kitchen, and
> > I could not sell her into the specs (larger bur, etc.)... so next week
> > I am ordering theBezzera.
>
> > My next venture is to take a trip into the mountain coffee region (we
> > live in Puerto Rico) were coffee can be bought directly from the
> > growers, I wanted to get some peaberry or caturra grains to roast and
> > grind.
>
> > Best regards,
> > RalphAwesome!! Let me know if you have a good line on some dry-processed or
> natural processed coffee there and maybe we can set something up for
> the Green Coffee Buying club! You should be very satisfied with theBezzeraI love my espresso machine.
>
> Joe



 
Date: 03 Dec 2006 19:59:56
From: JoeP
Subject: Re: Bezzera vs. Rancillio

RGF wrote:
> Hi Joe, thanks for the additional comments. I think that we are going
> to go for the Bezzera BB004, it is not a stepless grinder, but some
> folks who contacted me directly seem very satisfied with the results
> and more so with the looks. The Cunill was a runner up in my book but
> my boss (wife...:)) does not like how it will look in the kitchen, and
> I could not sell her into the specs (larger bur, etc.)... so next week
> I am ordering the Bezzera.
>
> My next venture is to take a trip into the mountain coffee region (we
> live in Puerto Rico) were coffee can be bought directly from the
> growers, I wanted to get some peaberry or caturra grains to roast and
> grind.
>
> Best regards,
> Ralph
>
>

Awesome!! Let me know if you have a good line on some dry-processed or
natural processed coffee there and maybe we can set something up for
the Green Coffee Buying club! You should be very satisfied with the
Bezzera I love my espresso machine.


Joe



 
Date: 03 Dec 2006 09:07:32
From: RGF
Subject: Re: Bezzera vs. Rancillio
Hi Joe, thanks for the additional comments. I think that we are going
to go for the Bezzera BB004, it is not a stepless grinder, but some
folks who contacted me directly seem very satisfied with the results
and more so with the looks. The Cunill was a runner up in my book but
my boss (wife...:)) does not like how it will look in the kitchen, and
I could not sell her into the specs (larger bur, etc.)... so next week
I am ordering the Bezzera.

My next venture is to take a trip into the mountain coffee region (we
live in Puerto Rico) were coffee can be bought directly from the
growers, I wanted to get some peaberry or caturra grains to roast and
grind.

Best regards,
Ralph


JoeP wrote:
> Actually I made a mistake the cheap grinder was an Innova not Cunill I
> haven't used a Cunill before. Sorry about that.
>
> Joe
> www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com



 
Date: 02 Dec 2006 14:28:58
From: JoeP
Subject: Re: Bezzera vs. Rancillio
Actually I made a mistake the cheap grinder was an Innova not Cunill I
haven't used a Cunill before. Sorry about that.

Joe
www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com



 
Date: 02 Dec 2006 14:19:13
From: JoeP
Subject: Re: Bezzera vs. Rancillio
Hi RGF,

I'm not sure you'll be able to taste a difference in your espresso
between a larger burr set. The Burr size as far as its been explained
to me is mostly relevent to the amount of coffee you'll be running
through them on a daily basis. It will take less time to grind with a
bigger burr set. My used Super Jolly has 64mm burrs if I remember right
and it seems to grind fairly fast. I have seen a Mazzer Mini and a
Macap grinder also and I'm not sure how many seconds faster mine is
over the others. I would say that you get the grinder that best serves
your budget, at that level its really petty issues that seperate them.
There have been several reviews of the rocky and its a very capable
grinder, the only knock on it is the rocky isn't stepless meaning there
could be some dead zone between the steps. Supposedly you can get
around this with some modifications but I would rather buy a used
Mazzer anyday. So my reccomendation is get a Macap or an used Mazzer
Super Jolly, the cunill Tranquilo I have tried felt very toyish the PF
fork was thin it was light weight and seemed cheaply made. I wouldn't
waste my time with it.


Joe
www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com


RGF wrote:
> Thanks Joe...
>
> I forgot to post an additional grinder which we are considering..Cunill
> Tranquilo, thus the final list would more likely read as follows:
>
> Cunill Tranquilo
> Bezzera BB003
> Bezzera BB004
> Rancillio Rocky
>
> with regards to the Bezzera, based on your understanding do you have a
> preference between either model listed above. I believe that the burr
> size is the main difference between the two, why eyes are on the BB004
> but it has a 50 mm burr, does the 60 mm burr on the BB003 offers a real
> advantage? and is the Cunill a worth contender to the Bezzera?
>
> regards,
> Ralph
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2:46 pm, "JoeP" <j...@internet-realty.com> wrote:
> > RGF wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > We are looking to buy a new grinder to match our Isomac Mondiale (for
> > > home use), we are considering either of the following doser grinders:
> >
> > > Bezzera BB003
> > > Bezzera BB004
> > > Rancillio Rocky
> >
> > > The Bezzera seems like a safe/good choice (looks, construction, etc)
> > > over the well known Rocky.
> > > But for all you connoisseurs out there! please share with us - which
> > > one would you recommend?
> >
> > > Regards,
> > > RalphThe Bezzera Models are commercial grinders and the rocky is not. Most,
> > if not all, commercial grinders will be superior to a rocky. However it
> > is most likely overkill for you to have a commercial grinder at home,
> > as you will be able to get excellent results from a rocky for about
> > half the cost or less. I have a used Mazzer Super Jolly grinder and I
> > wouldn't trade it for anything. Bezzera is a good brand name, I have a
> > Bezzera BZ02 Espresso machine, Bezerra make the pasquini Livia 90 and
> > they have been on the commercial espresso scene for a very long time.
> >
> > Joe
> > www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com



 
Date: 02 Dec 2006 12:05:45
From: RGF
Subject: Re: Bezzera vs. Rancillio
Thanks Joe...

I forgot to post an additional grinder which we are considering..Cunill
Tranquilo, thus the final list would more likely read as follows:

Cunill Tranquilo
Bezzera BB003
Bezzera BB004
Rancillio Rocky

with regards to the Bezzera, based on your understanding do you have a
preference between either model listed above. I believe that the burr
size is the main difference between the two, why eyes are on the BB004
but it has a 50 mm burr, does the 60 mm burr on the BB003 offers a real
advantage? and is the Cunill a worth contender to the Bezzera?

regards,
Ralph



On Dec 2, 2:46 pm, "JoeP" <j...@internet-realty.com > wrote:
> RGF wrote:
> > Hi,
> > We are looking to buy a new grinder to match our Isomac Mondiale (for
> > home use), we are considering either of the following doser grinders:
>
> > Bezzera BB003
> > Bezzera BB004
> > Rancillio Rocky
>
> > The Bezzera seems like a safe/good choice (looks, construction, etc)
> > over the well known Rocky.
> > But for all you connoisseurs out there! please share with us - which
> > one would you recommend?
>
> > Regards,
> > RalphThe Bezzera Models are commercial grinders and the rocky is not. Most,
> if not all, commercial grinders will be superior to a rocky. However it
> is most likely overkill for you to have a commercial grinder at home,
> as you will be able to get excellent results from a rocky for about
> half the cost or less. I have a used Mazzer Super Jolly grinder and I
> wouldn't trade it for anything. Bezzera is a good brand name, I have a
> Bezzera BZ02 Espresso machine, Bezerra make the pasquini Livia 90 and
> they have been on the commercial espresso scene for a very long time.
>
> Joewww.greencoffeebuyingclub.com



 
Date: 02 Dec 2006 11:46:48
From: JoeP
Subject: Re: Bezzera vs. Rancillio

RGF wrote:
> Hi,
> We are looking to buy a new grinder to match our Isomac Mondiale (for
> home use), we are considering either of the following doser grinders:
>
> Bezzera BB003
> Bezzera BB004
> Rancillio Rocky
>
> The Bezzera seems like a safe/good choice (looks, construction, etc)
> over the well known Rocky.
> But for all you connoisseurs out there! please share with us - which
> one would you recommend?
>
> Regards,
> Ralph

The Bezzera Models are commercial grinders and the rocky is not. Most,
if not all, commercial grinders will be superior to a rocky. However it
is most likely overkill for you to have a commercial grinder at home,
as you will be able to get excellent results from a rocky for about
half the cost or less. I have a used Mazzer Super Jolly grinder and I
wouldn't trade it for anything. Bezzera is a good brand name, I have a
Bezzera BZ02 Espresso machine, Bezerra make the pasquini Livia 90 and
they have been on the commercial espresso scene for a very long time.

Joe
www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com