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Date: 04 Feb 2007 11:59:52
From: Flasherly
Subject: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
Bodum's award of excellence for its Assam glassware concepts is no
less deserving of the Pavini design. Air captured from glass blown by
craftsmen, is spaced between insular walls of borosilicate glass,
forming a thermally superior glass composite. Borosilicate's
evolvement into finer glasswares carry with it a legacy from precision
telescopic and lighting applications, as well as encasing spent
nuclear residual -- with a temperature resistance expansion and higher
temper for wear than traditional glass -- safely into the future.

Tactifully, to experience imbibing from a Pavini is reminiscent of an
impression created from the cross between porcelain, lead crystal, and
eggshells. A heft left to the Bodum is neglibly imperceptible.
Deceptively so, belying a fragility borosilicate otherwise imparts, as
implements emminently suited the dishwasher, microwave, or even so
slavish a construct as a scouring pad. I just may buy another set as a
good measure of delicate aesthetics these glasses impart.

Gastronomically, the experience is neither one to be detained.
Functionally, heat encased by the inner-wall is isolated, without
evidence of effective radiance to the outer-wall, so in leaving the
content's heat to transfer across an open-air surface contact arising
from a pool over an amply widened area the upper-cup compasses.
Better odoriferously to discretely sniff for decanted wafts for all
but the most perspicuously muzzled snouts. With a base profile
setting rounder than cylindrical, the pronounciation is one given care
to emphasize what may aptly roll away and, as will all falling
glassware, shatter irreparalby.

Consequently, I'm giving it a tentative four-point-five stars in
five. Twenty-five bias points are deducted for the missing handle,
with another for the stability issue.





 
Date: 14 Feb 2007 19:16:31
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
On Feb 14, 3:14 pm, pltrgyst <pltrg...@spamlessxhost.org > wrote:
>
> Yes, if you're providing a urine sample; no, if you're drinking espresso.

For a discriminating palate, there is of course preferential regard
granted a sense taste accomidates, as an elegant selection from
Piccola Passion=E8 tableware will no doubt exemplify. For your
continued consideration, I propose this splendid artifice to fulfill a
standard stringent customers demand. I hope the selection proves
sufficient to meet with your approval.

http://www.amazon.com/Bodum-5713-16-Passione-Espresso-Stainless/dp/B0000D9N=
FH/sr=3D1-146/qid=3D1171505349/ref=3Dsr_1_146/102-5891569-7364135?ie=3DUTF8=
&s=3Dhome-garden



 
Date: 12 Feb 2007 09:48:18
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
On Feb 12, 10:33 am, pltrgyst <pltrg...@spamlessxhost.org > wrote:
> On 12 Feb 2007 07:04:53 -0800, "Flasherly" <gjerr...@ij.net> wrote:
>
> >.... Pavina is all smooth, round surfaces and
> >perfect clarity. The slightest smudge k has nowhere to hide.
>
> Exactly -- which means you see every fingerprint as soon as you touch them.
>
> There's a reason why one is not supposed to grip the bowl of a wine glass, you
> know.
>
> Personally, while I like looking at the Pavinas and their ilk, I wouldn't have
> them.
>
> -- Larry


Anything, including smudged fingerprints, shows up prior, in the
dishrack. Picking it up, now here's a clean glass. Hold it to the
light before extracting cleanly, neatly. Coffee to taste hot and good
to reveal in its makings, transparently.

Need there be more? Very well.

Good wine, at times I've considered, as with good reasoning, having
come to the conclusion, that what's best is as important as what's
left forgone, looks withstanding, to an extant from swigging from a
bottle;-- otherwise, apart in all beholden glasses held by any
ornamental stem. Any ilk defined by a cruicible surrounding subtance,
is not, prima facto, of an essence therein;-- Anymore would it be to
define by walls surrounding a spirit -- being anything but by
conventions with which to associate truth -- for a church, then to
say, what should essence be by allegorical icons they contain.
Perhaps it is a whiteness in china from a 4 oz. cup taken lightly at
balance, held from a saucer, where a cube of sugar nestles by a dainty
spoon, or, from a shot-glass of whiskey taken neatly --tautly,
bracingly, wryly by a twist-- that serves most directly to encapsulate
subjectivity for the presentment of an espresso experience;-- and,
yet, to further grace discernment, as reasons do well to reveal. . .

Anything except a Styrofoam cup will do, Larry.



  
Date: 14 Feb 2007 15:14:58
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
On 12 Feb 2007 09:48:18 -0800, "Flasherly" <gjerrell@ij.net > wrote:

>Anything, including smudged fingerprints, shows up prior, in the
>dishrack. Picking it up, now here's a clean glass.

Except that it's now got fingerprints on it, which may or may not be visible.

>Hold it to the light before extracting cleanly, neatly.

Not if the glass now has visible fingerprints or smudges.

>Coffee to taste hot and good to reveal in its makings, transparently.

Not a sentence, and not necessarily transparent, as I've stated.

>Need there be more? Very well.

No, there needn't. [crappy Ulysses imitation deleted...]

>Anything except a Styrofoam cup will do, Larry.

Yes, if you're providing a urine sample; no, if you're drinking espresso.

-- Larry


 
Date: 12 Feb 2007 07:04:53
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
On Feb 11, 4:09 pm, Natarajan Krishnaswami <n...@cwru.edu > wrote:
> On 2007-02-11, hfw <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > But those aren't double-wall, even if they were in stock.

> Not as pretty as the Assam or Pavina,
> though (IMO):

Another benefit I find is the cleanliness of Pavina glasses. Very
nice from a standpoint of starting up an espresso machine, grinding
beans and getting it all ready, only to grab a glass from the sinkrack
and find resistant, concentrated coffee extractions that escaped
washing the night before. Pavina is all smooth, round surfaces and
perfect clarity. The slightest smudge k has nowhere to hide. A
"crystalline" quality to a glass with the molecular temper of pyrex.
A more fragile than hardy temper, nevertheless.



  
Date: 12 Feb 2007 10:33:31
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
On 12 Feb 2007 07:04:53 -0800, "Flasherly" <gjerrell@ij.net > wrote:

>.... Pavina is all smooth, round surfaces and
>perfect clarity. The slightest smudge k has nowhere to hide.

Exactly -- which means you see every fingerprint as soon as you touch them.

There's a reason why one is not supposed to grip the bowl of a wine glass, you
know.

Personally, while I like looking at the Pavinas and their ilk, I wouldn't have
them.

-- Larry


 
Date: 05 Feb 2007 17:21:34
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
On Feb 5, 12:36 pm, hfw <nos...@nospam.com > wrote:
> I'm wondering whether anyone's tried the double-wall glasses from Sun's
> Teas (via Amazon)http://www.amazon.com/Strong-Double-Wall-Thermo-Glasses/dp/B000M1AGV0...
>
> They're not as pretty as the Pavina, but are they stronger? (Yes, I know
> they're 13 oz. but we're --oh, the shame of it -- currently using 12 oz.
> Waechtersbach mugs)
>
> And while we're at it, is there a standard for measuring volume? It
> seems that some mfrs cite as filled to the top edge and others a
> half-inch or so down.

Borosilicate glass, again, which should shatter as a compound at the
same force of impact. High as 8:1 ratio of milk to coffee in what
some consider a "big" latte. I go between 2-4:1 coffee over milk --
milk as an aerated souffle. Smaller glass for that, which the Pavina
was accounted. Worked out great after wondering if 9 oz. was too
big. Something more than half-full serves about right. Tossed the
milk pitcher frothing thing from day one. Bowl curvature is actually
better now than cylindrical for wave motion to steam and heat is taken
up faster. Dispensed extra steps for preheating a cup, frothing
elsewhere, pouring and scooping, by just getting the right cup to do
it in all at once. Set aside the hot milk while the boiler recovers
then extract. Quick to make, quick to clean up.



 
Date: 05 Feb 2007 02:58:43
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
On Feb 5, 1:51 am, "Cordovero" <cordoveroremove...@yahooxxx.com >
wrote:
> FWIW, Amazon is having a buy 3 (pairs) get 1 free (pair) sale on them.

Where I got mine. An item qualifying for free shipping (@ $25 minimum
order purchase price across similarly qualified items). Also tried to
but couldn't beat it on ebay.



 
Date: 04 Feb 2007 13:59:10
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
On Feb 4, 4:17 pm, "Cordovero" <cordoveroremove...@yahooxxx.com >
wrote:

> Why would you need a handle when it's a double-layered glass and hence cool
> to the touch and without condensation? What would the handle do?

You don't, but I think a handle is just part of the coffee drinking
experience and it feels funny when there isn't one. I have three of
these glasses - bought two, broke one within days (they don't take
abuse well), and bought a couple more. I like 'em - 9 oz is a good
size for the cappa-lattes I like first thing in the morning and I
don't miind the lack of handle. My wife and daughter don't like 'em -
and its ALL about the lack of a handle.

What flasherly may or not have said (the deciphering can be
challenging at times) is that in addition to keeping the heat away
from your hands, they also keep the coffee hot longer than most cups.
Just great insulation in general and they look cool with a layer of
coffee and a layer of milk floating around in 'em.

-Ray



  
Date: 04 Feb 2007 22:51:44
From: Cordovero
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
FWIW, Amazon is having a buy 3 (pairs) get 1 free (pair) sale on them.

Best,
C

<ramboorider@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1170626350.837817.26000@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 4, 4:17 pm, "Cordovero" <cordoveroremove...@yahooxxx.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Why would you need a handle when it's a double-layered glass and hence
>> cool
>> to the touch and without condensation? What would the handle do?
>
> You don't, but I think a handle is just part of the coffee drinking
> experience and it feels funny when there isn't one. I have three of
> these glasses - bought two, broke one within days (they don't take
> abuse well), and bought a couple more. I like 'em - 9 oz is a good
> size for the cappa-lattes I like first thing in the morning and I
> don't miind the lack of handle. My wife and daughter don't like 'em -
> and its ALL about the lack of a handle.
>
> What flasherly may or not have said (the deciphering can be
> challenging at times) is that in addition to keeping the heat away
> from your hands, they also keep the coffee hot longer than most cups.
> Just great insulation in general and they look cool with a layer of
> coffee and a layer of milk floating around in 'em.
>
> -Ray
>




   
Date: 05 Feb 2007 12:36:24
From: hfw
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
I'm wondering whether anyone's tried the double-wall glasses from Sun's
Teas (via Amazon)
http://www.amazon.com/Strong-Double-Wall-Thermo-Glasses/dp/B000M1AGV0/sr=8-8/qid=1170696714/ref=sr_1_8/103-4462393-7111007?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden

They're not as pretty as the Pavina, but are they stronger? (Yes, I know
they're 13 oz. but we're --oh, the shame of it -- currently using 12 oz.
Waechtersbach mugs)

And while we're at it, is there a standard for measuring volume? It
seems that some mfrs cite as filled to the top edge and others a
half-inch or so down.

--Heidi

Cordovero wrote:
> FWIW, Amazon is having a buy 3 (pairs) get 1 free (pair) sale on them.
>
> Best,
> C
>
> <ramboorider@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1170626350.837817.26000@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>


 
Date: 04 Feb 2007 13:58:48
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
On Feb 4, 4:17 pm, "Cordovero" <cordoveroremove...@yahooxxx.com >
wrote:
> > Consequently, I'm giving it a tentative four-point-five stars in
> > five. Twenty-five bias points are deducted for the missing handle
>
> Why would you need a handle when it's a double-layered glass and hence cool
> to the touch and without condensation? What would the handle do?
>
> C

I'm used to handles. Been drinking from big, heavy clear-glass beer
steins for too long. Wide and easy to reach down inside for washing.
My coffee cups were miniatures of the larger steins. They'll tear out
nasty chunks of porcelain from the sink before breaking, the glass is
so thick. It's uncomfortable now to wrap my hand around something
where my lips go.

Had a thought to make the modification. A handle as an extension from
an added base for more stability. Both at once. Clear superglue
isn't a problem, but getting an attractive match might be.

I once drew out a piece of jewelry and had it cast by a smith from a
cluster of Ceylon rubies I'd individually acquired. Each ruby was
raised up on a gold stem. A gift I then presented my grandmother.
After a few months she wrote to ask that to redesign a less
conspicuous piece. Very forthright, upon reaching around to wipe her
butt, she informed me, she had scratched her toilet seat with my ring.

I'm very pleased the glasses and will adapt. There's no comparison to
the smaller steins. Top notch product apart from my quirks.



 
Date: 04 Feb 2007 13:17:08
From: Cordovero
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
> Consequently, I'm giving it a tentative four-point-five stars in
> five. Twenty-five bias points are deducted for the missing handle

Why would you need a handle when it's a double-layered glass and hence cool
to the touch and without condensation? What would the handle do?

C




  
Date: 09 Feb 2007 13:19:09
From: Steven Bookman
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 13:17:08 -0800, "Cordovero"
<cordoveroremovexxx@yahooxxx.com > wrote:

>> Consequently, I'm giving it a tentative four-point-five stars in
>> five. Twenty-five bias points are deducted for the missing handle
>
>Why would you need a handle when it's a double-layered glass and hence cool
>to the touch and without condensation? What would the handle do?

Perhaps this will do:

http://tinyurl.com/3bpxgh


   
Date: 10 Feb 2007 21:37:30
From: hfw
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
But those aren't double-wall, even if they were in stock.

--Heidi

Steven Bookman wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 13:17:08 -0800, "Cordovero"
> <cordoveroremovexxx@yahooxxx.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> Consequently, I'm giving it a tentative four-point-five stars in
>>> five. Twenty-five bias points are deducted for the missing handle
>>>
>> Why would you need a handle when it's a double-layered glass and hence cool
>> to the touch and without condensation? What would the handle do?
>>
>
> Perhaps this will do:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3bpxgh
>


    
Date: 11 Feb 2007 21:09:50
From: Natarajan Krishnaswami
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
On 2007-02-11, hfw <nospam@nospam.com > wrote:
> But those aren't double-wall, even if they were in stock.

The .2l (6.8oz) and .4l (13.5oz) mugs in the "canteen" line both are
double walled and have handles. Not as pretty as the Assam or Pavina,
though (IMO):

http://www.bodumusa.com/shop/line.asp?MD=1&GID=30&LID=488&HID=10325%2D10
http://www.bodumusa.com/shop/line.asp?MD=1&GID=30&LID=488&HID=10326%2D10


N.


     
Date: 11 Feb 2007 23:00:44
From: hfw
Subject: Re: Bodum mouth-blown Pavini (9oz. double set)
Nice, though.

I like the Pavina better, too.

Natarajan Krishnaswami wrote:
> On 2007-02-11, hfw <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> But those aren't double-wall, even if they were in stock.
>>
>
> The .2l (6.8oz) and .4l (13.5oz) mugs in the "canteen" line both are
> double walled and have handles. Not as pretty as the Assam or Pavina,
> though (IMO):
>
> http://www.bodumusa.com/shop/line.asp?MD=1&GID=30&LID=488&HID=10325%2D10
> http://www.bodumusa.com/shop/line.asp?MD=1&GID=30&LID=488&HID=10326%2D10
>
>
> N.
>