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Date: 23 Mar 2007 22:33:54
From: Steve Pope
Subject: Briel ES42F opinions?
Can anyone offer an opinion on this machine?

Thanks,

Steve





 
Date: 24 Mar 2007 08:07:09
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Briel ES42F opinions?
On 24, 11:03 am, "Flasherly" <gjerr...@ij.net > wrote:
> On 23, 11:40 pm, spop...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
> > Flasherly <gjerr...@ij.net> wrote:
(I should get a bird-dog fee from aabreecoffee for this :).
>
> http://www.aabreecoffee.com/Gaggia/ga_carezza.cfm

Forgot to mention - promotion price includes ground shipping.




 
Date: 24 Mar 2007 08:03:30
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Briel ES42F opinions?
On 23, 11:40 pm, spop...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
> Flasherly <gjerr...@ij.net> wrote:
> >On 23, 6:33 pm, spop...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
> >> Can anyone offer an opinion on this machine?
> >Thing I might ask is, do I or have I ever drank an espresso. . . From
> >18 reviewers on Amazon, I'd wonder (may be some more on CoffeeGeeks).
> >I'd side with the inconsistent. Looks similar to a $50 Delonghi.
> >Small thermalblock for inconsistent temperatures and quick fun for
> >recovery and surfing. Teflon/aluminum boiler for Briel's newer stuff.
> >Disassemble/dump the patented "core" sempre creama faux filter is
> >always interesting, as playing around with smaller double doses,
> >depending on the grinder, pump and grouphead, for a drinkable latte.
> >$150 is for starting to look at Gaggias, or $300 for an missing
> >ancillary steam-tube, almost brandnew Europiccola. (50-position
> >grinders are always nice to have, too). Overall, looks like two
> >thumbs up for 50 bucks w/ shipping for milk-based drinks. Hardly
> >noticeable if you've never been anywhere for coffee-coffee other than
> >Denny's (the pits) and MacDonalds (so-so and weak).
>
> Thanks for the analysis. I was trying to decipher from the
> reviews whether the inconsistent behavior was cockpit error
> or the unit, you suspect it's possibly the unit. Also I'd rather
> get something where I don't have to immediately replace any
> components with better ones.
>
> My interest is in producing good espressos at a fairly low volume
> (not so much interested in milk-based drinks). Also I do not
> have much counter space.
>
> Steve

Allow me, then, since I was busy doing the footwork last evening. You
might not have found this new for this price, bearing in mind it's
only in white. Maybe an overstock color, general promotion, but for
$25 more a new machine instead of a 30-day used return with half the
warantee removed. Stellar (pro) reviews, among the few if only sub-
$200 units regarded as the "real deal". Take an additional $25 off
(what it's going everywhere else) and get some nice bodum steel
glasses or a milk jug -- the can of espresso is also included. Enjoy.
(I should get a bird-dog fee from aabreecoffee for this :).

http://www.aabreecoffee.com/Gaggia/ga_carezza.cfm



 
Date: 23 Mar 2007 19:45:12
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Briel ES42F opinions?
On 23, 6:33 pm, spop...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
> Can anyone offer an opinion on this machine?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve


Thing I might ask is, do I or have I ever drank an espresso. . . From
18 reviewers on Amazon, I'd wonder (may be some more on CoffeeGeeks).
I'd side with the inconsistent. Looks similar to a $50 Delonghi.
Small thermalblock for inconsistent temperatures and quick fun for
recovery and surfing. Teflon/aluminum boiler for Briel's newer stuff.
Disassemble/dump the patented "core" sempre creama faux filter is
always interesting, as playing around with smaller double doses,
depending on the grinder, pump and grouphead, for a drinkable latte.
$150 is for starting to look at Gaggias, or $300 for an missing
ancillary steam-tube, almost brandnew Europiccola. (50-position
grinders are always nice to have, too). Overall, looks like two
thumbs up for 50 bucks w/ shipping for milk-based drinks. Hardly
noticeable if you've never been anywhere for coffee-coffee other than
Denny's (the pits) and MacDonalds (so-so and weak).

I've noticed people that liked a cheap Krups -- liked, doesn't appear
Krups is putting out the same gear these days. Like what I was
reading about Gaggia recently, but priced twice and some more on a
premium at less likelihood for deviation. ine grade head brass and
17bar pressure, though for an entry semiauto.



  
Date: 24 Mar 2007 03:40:35
From: Steve Pope
Subject: Re: Briel ES42F opinions?
Flasherly <gjerrell@ij.net > wrote:

>On 23, 6:33 pm, spop...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:

>> Can anyone offer an opinion on this machine?

>Thing I might ask is, do I or have I ever drank an espresso. . . From
>18 reviewers on Amazon, I'd wonder (may be some more on CoffeeGeeks).
>I'd side with the inconsistent. Looks similar to a $50 Delonghi.
>Small thermalblock for inconsistent temperatures and quick fun for
>recovery and surfing. Teflon/aluminum boiler for Briel's newer stuff.
>Disassemble/dump the patented "core" sempre creama faux filter is
>always interesting, as playing around with smaller double doses,
>depending on the grinder, pump and grouphead, for a drinkable latte.
>$150 is for starting to look at Gaggias, or $300 for an missing
>ancillary steam-tube, almost brandnew Europiccola. (50-position
>grinders are always nice to have, too). Overall, looks like two
>thumbs up for 50 bucks w/ shipping for milk-based drinks. Hardly
>noticeable if you've never been anywhere for coffee-coffee other than
>Denny's (the pits) and MacDonalds (so-so and weak).

Thanks for the analysis. I was trying to decipher from the
reviews whether the inconsistent behavior was cockpit error
or the unit, you suspect it's possibly the unit. Also I'd rather
get something where I don't have to immediately replace any
components with better ones.

My interest is in producing good espressos at a fairly low volume
(not so much interested in milk-based drinks). Also I do not
have much counter space.

Steve