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Date: 20 Jan 2007 11:54:53
From: FAROUK
Subject: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
Can someone supply me with the name(s) of a good place on the Internet
where I can buy just one of each: cappuccino and espresso cup/saucer?
I like the look of the Illy cups, but they are so expensive? Should I
look for a thicker cup or is thinner better?

I am alone and one of each is all I need, maybe two if need be.

Thank you.
O




 
Date: 28 Jan 2007 15:49:47
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
"Subtext"

Look it up.

Nah, I don't intend to be nasty but you were dismissive of my comment
and that always rankles.

What I am contending is that what really concerns people is not the
temperature of the cup or the specific heat of the borosilicate glass
or the convection loss in still air but rather what customers and
individuals prefer.

In the end, that is what matters.




On Jan 28, 10:48 am, "Alan" <in_flagra...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> <Omni...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > No, not resolvable except in the mind of the individual. If you think
> > that temperature measurement is really what is being discussed here,
> > you haven't been listening.Sorry --- it was only because more than half the posts under this subject
> made direct reference to heat retention that I made the (apparently)
> ridiculous assumption that heat retention was under discussion. How stupid
> of me to have missed what was *really* being discussed. Guess I wasn't
> listening.



  
Date: 29 Jan 2007 02:52:54
From: Alan
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
And customer/individual preferences are just as unobservable and
unquantifiable as pinhead-dancing angels. (Whatever you do, don't spread
that around --- the bottom could drop out of the keting industry). ;-)

<Omniryx@gmail.com > wrote
> "Subtext"
>
> Look it up.
>
> Nah, I don't intend to be nasty but you were dismissive of my comment
> and that always rankles.
>
> What I am contending is that what really concerns people is not the
> temperature of the cup or the specific heat of the borosilicate glass
> or the convection loss in still air but rather what customers and
> individuals prefer.
>
> In the end, that is what matters.
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 10:48 am, "Alan" <in_flagra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> <Omni...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> > No, not resolvable except in the mind of the individual. If you think
>> > that temperature measurement is really what is being discussed here,
>> > you haven't been listening.

>>Sorry --- it was only because more than half the posts under this subject
>> made direct reference to heat retention that I made the (apparently)
>> ridiculous assumption that heat retention was under discussion. How
>> stupid
>> of me to have missed what was *really* being discussed. Guess I wasn't
>> listening.
>




 
Date: 28 Jan 2007 09:26:58
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
Just ordered a Bodum Pavina 9oz pair for 10.99 from Amazon - better
than anything on Ebay. Added an Bialetti Moka Express (continental) 6-
cup moka pot to make $25 for free shipping, the latter not being much
more for altogether a good bargain.

On Jan 26, 12:29 pm, shall <mrf...@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:
> For most readers of this newsgroup (consumers), most of this
> discussion is irrelevant, because their demitasse cups will rarely, if
> ever, be properly preheated. Under real-world home conditions (cups on
> a shelf or on top of a "passively heated" non-HX (or even HX)
> machine), the Pavinas outperform everything else by a long shot.
>
> shall



 
Date: 28 Jan 2007 06:41:38
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
No, not resolvable except in the mind of the individual. If you think
that temperature measurement is really what is being discussed here,
you haven't been listening.



On Jan 26, 7:00 pm, "Alan" <in_flagra...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> <Omni...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1169824919.710846.129450@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Actually, it was not a poor analogy at all. And it has nothing to do
> > with my interest or lack thereof. Rather, it denotes endless debate
> > over a trivial, insignificant, and ultimately irresolvable point.
>
> > Your mileage may vary, of course.Trivial, insignificant --- perhaps. Irresolvable, no.
> Quite easily resolvable, actually, by direct observation and measurement.
> Not at all the same as dancing angels on pinheads . . .
>
> > On Jan 25, 4:32 pm, "Alan" <in_flagra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Danny" wrote
>
> >> > Omni...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> Ummmmm....and how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
>
> >> > Sorry, your point is?
>
> >> > --
> >> > Regards, DannyI'm hazarding the guess that he was trying to express his
> >> > lack of interest
> >> in the subject; however, since he was referring to a phenomenon which
> >> exists
> >> in theory only and is, of course, immeasurable, his choice of analogy was
> >> rather poor.
>
> >> In any case, I still do have an interest in the subject (just naturally
> >> curious), and I'm wondering if you ever did find the time to do that
> >> heat-retention comparison between thin and thick walled cups. What have
> >> you
> >> found out?
>
> >> --
> >> Alan



  
Date: 28 Jan 2007 15:48:36
From: Alan
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?

<Omniryx@gmail.com > wrote
> No, not resolvable except in the mind of the individual. If you think
> that temperature measurement is really what is being discussed here,
> you haven't been listening.

Sorry --- it was only because more than half the posts under this subject
made direct reference to heat retention that I made the (apparently)
ridiculous assumption that heat retention was under discussion. How stupid
of me to have missed what was *really* being discussed. Guess I wasn't
listening.




 
Date: 26 Jan 2007 10:38:17
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
Relax, Danny. I didn't mean to be taking you (or anyone) on.

I readily agree that when one is in retail, customer satisfaction is
vital. That wasn't my point at all.

What I meant was that there is (apparently--at least in terms of this
thread) no objective answer, only ipsative answers specific to each
time, place, person.

It is precisely your point that makes additional discussion pointless.
It is, apparently, fascinating to some, though, so I'll hush and let
y'all go at it.

Have a great weekend, everyone.



On Jan 26, 1:29 pm, Danny <d...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote:
> Omni...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Actually, it was not a poor analogy at all. And it has nothing to do
> > with my interest or lack thereof. Rather, it denotes endless debate
> > over a trivial, insignificant, and ultimately irresolvable point.
>
> > Your mileage may vary, of course.It's not trivial or insignificant if you run a business and customers
> note the difference, and thereby express a preference which makes it
> completely solveable.
>
> It's alt.coffee (known for mammoth threads on the most inane subjects)
> - 10 or so posts in my part of the thread doesn't make it endless debate.
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com(a purely hobby site)http://www.malabargold.co.uk(UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)



 
Date: 26 Jan 2007 07:21:59
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
Actually, it was not a poor analogy at all. And it has nothing to do
with my interest or lack thereof. Rather, it denotes endless debate
over a trivial, insignificant, and ultimately irresolvable point.

Your mileage may vary, of course.




On Jan 25, 4:32 pm, "Alan" <in_flagra...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "Danny" wrote
>
> > Omni...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Ummmmm....and how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
>
> > Sorry, your point is?
>
> > --
> > Regards, DannyI'm hazarding the guess that he was trying to express his lack of interest
> in the subject; however, since he was referring to a phenomenon which exists
> in theory only and is, of course, immeasurable, his choice of analogy was
> rather poor.
>
> In any case, I still do have an interest in the subject (just naturally
> curious), and I'm wondering if you ever did find the time to do that
> heat-retention comparison between thin and thick walled cups. What have you
> found out?
>
> --
> Alan



  
Date: 27 Jan 2007 00:00:15
From: Alan
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?

<Omniryx@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1169824919.710846.129450@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Actually, it was not a poor analogy at all. And it has nothing to do
> with my interest or lack thereof. Rather, it denotes endless debate
> over a trivial, insignificant, and ultimately irresolvable point.
>
> Your mileage may vary, of course.

Trivial, insignificant --- perhaps. Irresolvable, no.
Quite easily resolvable, actually, by direct observation and measurement.
Not at all the same as dancing angels on pinheads . . .

> On Jan 25, 4:32 pm, "Alan" <in_flagra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Danny" wrote
>>
>> > Omni...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> Ummmmm....and how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
>>
>> > Sorry, your point is?
>>
>> > --
>> > Regards, DannyI'm hazarding the guess that he was trying to express his
>> > lack of interest
>> in the subject; however, since he was referring to a phenomenon which
>> exists
>> in theory only and is, of course, immeasurable, his choice of analogy was
>> rather poor.
>>
>> In any case, I still do have an interest in the subject (just naturally
>> curious), and I'm wondering if you ever did find the time to do that
>> heat-retention comparison between thin and thick walled cups. What have
>> you
>> found out?
>>
>> --
>> Alan
>




  
Date: 26 Jan 2007 18:29:00
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
> Actually, it was not a poor analogy at all. And it has nothing to do
> with my interest or lack thereof. Rather, it denotes endless debate
> over a trivial, insignificant, and ultimately irresolvable point.
>
> Your mileage may vary, of course.

It's not trivial or insignificant if you run a business and customers
note the difference, and thereby express a preference which makes it
completely solveable.

It's alt.coffee (known for mammoth threads on the most inane subjects)
- 10 or so posts in my part of the thread doesn't make it endless debate.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)



 
Date: 24 Jan 2007 04:42:29
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
Ummmmm....and how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?



  
Date: 25 Jan 2007 20:50:11
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:
> Ummmmm....and how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
>

Sorry, your point is?

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)



   
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 17:31:40
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
Ditto w/ teflon or plastic coatings.

hfw wrote:
> Some people (I'm one of them, unfortunately) get a funny taste from
> coffee in metal, even (particularly?) stainless steel.
>



 
Date: 22 Jan 2007 17:30:56
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
Ditto w/ teflon or plastic coatings.

hfw wrote:
> Some people (I'm one of them, unfortunately) get a funny taste from
> coffee in metal, even (particularly?) stainless steel.
>



 
Date: 21 Jan 2007 09:25:26
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
hazzmat wrote:
>
> My preference for thick walled cups is conditioned on preheating them of
> course, in which case they will retain heat better than thin walled cups
> of the same material. The only cups that don't require preheating, in my
> opinion, are the Bodum double walled borosilicate glass cups.

I've looked them over carefully, and they're virtually without handles,
except for larger-sized latte monstrosities. When watching History's
recent coffee expo, surprised me to see how big people like espresso
serving portions. A webophile, I've never been inside such
establishments, and have developed into tiny, dainty little lattes,
from 5 or 6oz. cups, tops. Light on the moo, but whipped exceedingly
hard for extracting directly onto, in a frothy sprinkling of
interspersed crema, above but not overflowing brim. Latte made in the
cup is then heated and rotated beneath while extracting. I'd consider
$35 for a set of two 6, well, maybe 8oz. Bodum cups -with coffeecup
handles the way God intended- and wide enough to fit a handsgirth to
wash. More for outerwall lead crystal and decorative texture, and a
thin gold strip to overlay the lip (in my dreams).



 
Date: 21 Jan 2007 08:59:47
From: John Frank
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
You also might want to check out the ones offered by Sweet ias--I
bought my cups from them (the Moka Brown espresso and cappuccino cups)
and they're great. They now have a much wider selection of colors and
styles and whenever their prices are similar I try to support Sweet
ias. I got my start down this coffee-roasting espresso-pulling path
via their web site and I still am learning about new origins from them.

John


FAROUK wrote:
> Can someone supply me with the name(s) of a good place on the Internet
> where I can buy just one of each: cappuccino and espresso cup/saucer?
> I like the look of the Illy cups, but they are so expensive? Should I
> look for a thicker cup or is thinner better?
>
> I am alone and one of each is all I need, maybe two if need be.
>
> Thank you.
> O



  
Date: 21 Jan 2007 20:19:17
From: FAROUK
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
Another question I have: initially I was thinking about getting the
metal cups saucers as I thought they looked nice, but then I figured
they would cool faster. Is that a correct assumption?

Thanks.
O


   
Date: 22 Jan 2007 09:49:58
From: hfw
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
Some people (I'm one of them, unfortunately) get a funny taste from
coffee in metal, even (particularly?) stainless steel.

--Heidi

FAROUK wrote:
> Another question I have: initially I was thinking about getting the
> metal cups saucers as I thought they looked nice, but then I figured
> they would cool faster. Is that a correct assumption?
>
> Thanks.
> O
>


    
Date: 22 Jan 2007 14:22:06
From: FAROUK
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
Someone suggested going to Sweet ias to get a single cappuccino
cup/saucer and one for espresso too. I went there and found exactly
what I was looking for. So much to choose from. I decided on the Sweet
ia's Skunk Cups from Italy. Go here and let me know what you think
of my decision or if you see something better. Once at this page, just
scroll down and you will see my choice:

http://www.sweetias.com/prod.espresso.shtml

Thanks for all your help.
O


   
Date: 22 Jan 2007 14:34:29
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
Stainless look nice, but ceramic are just nicer to drink from. Can't
remember what it was, but ceramic I found to be better.

Better enough that our collection of stainless coffee cups has been
relegated to kids toys ever since I acquired my ACF cup collection, and as
the children break that collection it will get replaced :)

Brent

> Another question I have: initially I was thinking about getting the
> metal cups saucers as I thought they looked nice, but then I figured
> they would cool faster. Is that a correct assumption?
>
> Thanks.
> O




 
Date: 21 Jan 2007 15:44:52
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Cappuccino/espresso cup combo?
FAROUK wrote:
> Can someone supply me with the name(s) of a good place on the Internet
> where I can buy just one of each: cappuccino and espresso cup/saucer?
> I like the look of the Illy cups, but they are so expensive? Should I
> look for a thicker cup or is thinner better?
>
> I am alone and one of each is all I need, maybe two if need be.
>
> Thank you.
> O

In the uk, Restaurant supplies places or 2nd hand catering supply
places often have single cups and saucers, I guess the same applies
where you are. Thin walled cups hold the heat better (for espresso
cup size) since thick walled cups rob the heat from such a small
volume of liquid. I have both thick and thin and the customers prefer
thin. Actually, the difference (in the Trucillo cups I use) is that
thick walled are single and thin walled are double, allowing for the
same exterior size of cup with different capacity.

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)



  
Date: 21 Jan 2007 07:51:08
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Can a leopard really change his spots?
why are you STILL blabbing about this, "JACK"???



 
Date: 20 Jan 2007 11:35:32
From: kawatson
Subject: Re: UNIMAX 2000 MICRO ROASTER? Any good?

Does anybody know where I can buy a MicroRoast Unimax 2000?

--
kawatso
Please reply to the newsgroup or PM me at TRAVEL.com



 
Date: 20 Jan 2007 11:59:14
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: HotTop Capacity? 8oz? More?
In <1169311532.668615.24530@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >, on 20 Jan 2007
08:45:32 -0800, tampaRoadie wrote:
> I usually roast about 8oz in my Hottop. I think that is what the manual
> suggests. Has anyone tried roasting more in the Hottop? What results
> did you get?

I have occosionally roasted 300 g (10.6 oz) in mine,
but that stretched the roast out to 19 minutes or so.
Routinely roasted loads in the 200-275 g range.
For cupping, I like to roast 100-125 grams to get the
roast time down in the 12-13 minute range.

This is the beta machine with the 2nd (of 3)
control chips.