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Date: 04 Jun 2007 20:44:42
From: D. Ross
Subject: Coffee bean & tea leaf
Is there any back story to this company? They entered the Hawaii market
when I was away on sabbatical in 2005-6, now they are cropping up like weeds
here. The coffee seems to my taste a step up from Starbucks but a huge step
down from Peets, I'm curious as to what especially let them survive 40 years
of competition with Peets in California.

- David R.
--
Less information than you ever thought possible:
http://www.demitasse.net




 
Date: 08 Jun 2007 21:59:55
From: Kyle
Subject: Re: Coffee bean & tea leaf
On Jun 4, 3:44 pm, r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
> Is there any back story to this company? They entered the Hawaii market
> when I was away on sabbatical in 2005-6, now they are cropping up like weeds
> here. The coffee seems to my taste a step up from Starbucks but a huge step
> down from Peets, I'm curious as to what especially let them survive 40 years
> of competition with Peets in California.

CB&TL is where I used to buy beans when I lived in Southern CA. when I
became hooked on good (or good as possible) coffee in the early 80s.
Starbucks didn't appear until the mid-90s; and Peet's didn't appear
until around '00 (I emphasize that this was Southern CA, -- Santa
Barbara to be specific). In other words, CB&TL was pretty much my
only non-supermarket option at the time.




 
Date: 06 Jun 2007 15:53:45
From: karlseidel
Subject: Re: Coffee bean & tea leaf
On Jun 4, 1:44 pm, r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
> Is there any back story to this company? They entered the Hawaii market
> when I was away on sabbatical in 2005-6, now they are cropping up like weeds
> here. The coffee seems to my taste a step up from Starbucks but a huge step
> down from Peets, I'm curious as to what especially let them survive 40 years
> of competition with Peets in California.
>
> - David R.
> --
> Less information than you ever thought possible:http://www.demitasse.net

It's interesting and informative to hear this type of banter from
alt.coffee folks - if you took the time and made the effort to buy
their coffees by the pound and prepared it to your taste I think you'd
be surprised. Their buyer and roastmaster are world-class by any
standard. They buy top-grade coffees & roast and blend them well. The
issue may be the deployment of their fine coffees by the people behind
the counter who typically serve up the coffee "lite" version of what
Peet's might serve - obviously not brewed to the strength an aspiring
coffee aficionado might consider appropriate.



  
Date: 07 Jun 2007 13:21:45
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Coffee bean & tea leaf
> Their buyer and roastmaster are world-class by any
> standard. They buy top-grade coffees & roast and blend them well.

I have a friend who fits that description, and his stuff is good when he
roasts it.

Thats more or less where it reliably finishes, and that is the problem...

If he supplied me direct, it would be great.

Brent




  
Date: 06 Jun 2007 21:45:57
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Coffee bean & tea leaf


  
Date: 06 Jun 2007 11:53:02
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Coffee bean & tea leaf
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:53:45 -0000, karlseidel <karl.seidel@gmail.com >
wrote:

>On Jun 4, 1:44 pm, r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
>> Is there any back story to this company? They entered the Hawaii market
>> when I was away on sabbatical in 2005-6, now they are cropping up like weeds
>> here. The coffee seems to my taste a step up from Starbucks but a huge step
>> down from Peets, I'm curious as to what especially let them survive 40 years
>> of competition with Peets in California.
>>
>> - David R.
>> --
>> Less information than you ever thought possible:http://www.demitasse.net
>
>It's interesting and informative to hear this type of banter from
>alt.coffee folks - if you took the time and made the effort to buy
>their coffees by the pound and prepared it to your taste I think you'd
>be surprised. Their buyer and roastmaster are world-class by any
>standard. They buy top-grade coffees & roast and blend them well. The
>issue may be the deployment of their fine coffees by the people behind
>the counter who typically serve up the coffee "lite" version of what
>Peet's might serve - obviously not brewed to the strength an aspiring
>coffee aficionado might consider appropriate.

It's pretty difficult to get coffee roasted within 3 days at any of
the aforementioned. My sweet spot for espresso is normally days 4-8.
Brewed, 2-6.

Should I have the misfortune to receive some as a gift, I open the
bag, sniff, dump the coffee and use the bag for an alternate purpose,
similar to those supplied on airlines.

If I must consume, it's with a large dollop of 'alf & 'alf.


 
Date: 05 Jun 2007 20:43:11
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Coffee bean & tea leaf
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:44:42 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D.
Ross) wrote:

>Is there any back story to this company? They entered the Hawaii market
>when I was away on sabbatical in 2005-6, now they are cropping up like weeds
>here. The coffee seems to my taste a step up from Starbucks but a huge step
>down from Peets, I'm curious as to what especially let them survive 40 years
>of competition with Peets in California.
>
>- David R.

Peet's focused for decades on the Bay Area, while Coffee Bean focused
on Southern California (currently 104 outlets in L.A. County).

Peet's has a grown-up ambiance: Craftsman decor & Baroque music.
Coffee Bean is Teen Hangout Central.

Marshall


 
Date: 05 Jun 2007 12:04:20
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Coffee bean & tea leaf
If taste had anything to do with success in a coffee chain, how can you
explain Starbucks? The taste of the coffee must be somewhere down toward the
bottom of the list in what allows coffee chains to succeed, somewhere below
how comfortable the armchairs are and how effective the little sleeves are
that allow you to hold the hot cup in your hands.



"D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu > wrote in message
news:46647740.3392167@localhost...
> Is there any back story to this company? They entered the Hawaii market
> when I was away on sabbatical in 2005-6, now they are cropping up like
> weeds
> here. The coffee seems to my taste a step up from Starbucks but a huge
> step
> down from Peets, I'm curious as to what especially let them survive 40
> years
> of competition with Peets in California.
>
> - David R.
> --
> Less information than you ever thought possible:
> http://www.demitasse.net




  
Date: 05 Jun 2007 20:35:08
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Coffee bean & tea leaf
"Jack Denver" <nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:



 
Date: 04 Jun 2007 14:10:21
From:
Subject: Re: Coffee bean & tea leaf
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:44:42 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D.
Ross) wrote:

>Is there any back story to this company? They entered the Hawaii market
>when I was away on sabbatical in 2005-6, now they are cropping up like weeds
>here. The coffee seems to my taste a step up from Starbucks but a huge step
>down from Peets, I'm curious as to what especially let them survive 40 years
>of competition with Peets in California.
>
>- David R.
I can't answer your question directly but I'd like to comment. My
sister, in her job, needed 100 cups of coffee for a memorial service
and always went to Starbucks for this kind of need. She commented
that Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf (CB&TL) had come to Honolulu and so she
tried them for the memorial service and she said their coffee was much
better that the (burnt tasting) Starbucks. She knows good coffee:).
The CB&TL price was good,they did not need as much lead time as *$,
they gave all the necessary paper ware, and they also had a great
coffee warmer. One of those gray things with pull up locks on either
side- sorry forgot the name. So all in all I think CB&TL is indeed
making a good impression on Oahu.

aloha from down the island chain in rainy south Kona,
Cea
roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona


  
Date: 05 Jun 2007 20:42:05
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Coffee bean & tea leaf


 
Date: 04 Jun 2007 14:36:32
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Coffee bean & tea leaf
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:44:42 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D.
Ross) wrote:

>Is there any back story to this company? They entered the Hawaii market
>when I was away on sabbatical in 2005-6, now they are cropping up like weeds
>here. The coffee seems to my taste a step up from Starbucks but a huge step
>down from Peets, I'm curious as to what especially let them survive 40 years
>of competition with Peets in California.
>
>- David R.

you can fool some of the people ALL of the time?

It's Hobson's choice between *$, Peets, CB&TL and the headache.


  
Date: 06 Jun 2007 11:27:54
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Coffee bean & tea leaf
CBTL -- slightly better than starbucks, no where near peets

BTW, IMO, the larchmont peets seems to have the slowest 'baristi' I have
seen in a while!

dave
www.hitechespresso.com



"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:44:42 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D.
> Ross) wrote:
>
>>Is there any back story to this company? They entered the Hawaii market
>>when I was away on sabbatical in 2005-6, now they are cropping up like
>>weeds
>>here. The coffee seems to my taste a step up from Starbucks but a huge
>>step
>>down from Peets, I'm curious as to what especially let them survive 40
>>years
>>of competition with Peets in California.
>>
>>- David R.
>
> you can fool some of the people ALL of the time?
>
> It's Hobson's choice between *$, Peets, CB&TL and the headache.