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Date: 18 Nov 2006 18:26:25
From: shareyourknowledge@hotmail.com
Subject: Coffee samplings
The L.A. Times ran an article on coffee a couple of weeks ago. A panel
of tasters said the following were the best in their opinion: Amante
Amalfi Dark Roast
Antigua Coffee House- Guatemela Antigua Medium
Coffee Klatch- Ethiopian Hache
Groundwork Panama Esmerelda Especial
Intelligentsia Coffee- Berkeley's Blend
Jones Coffee Roasters- Ethiopian Yrga Cheffe
Kean Coffee Guatemalan Maya Ixill Co-op.



I wanted to buy some for myself and also x-mas presents. I like a
reasonably strong coffee with little after taste, somewhat like Graffeo
coffee. Has anyone tried these coffees and if so, what are your
thoughts? Regards, Bob.





 
Date: 20 Nov 2006 07:25:02
From: shareyourknowledge@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings
I will be in Oakland and Berkeley this Friday. Are there any good
coffee stores i should check out?. I've been to Peete's in Berkeley but
want to try something different.
Alan wrote:
> "shall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:jp32m2tv3qnnpv58jfg2e1cul5cug2bloq@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:47:37 GMT, "Alan" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"shall" wrote
> >>[...]
> >>> I found what my mistake was. I was confusing Graffeo with the new
> >>> Coupa Cafe, an all-Venezuelan shop in the Bay Area that just opened on
> >>> North Canon in B.H. http://www.coupacafe.com/contact.html
> >>>
> >>> shall "now has two regrets"
> >>
> >>When did Beverly Hills become part of the "Bay Area" ???
> >>
> >>(Maybe I'm being a little geo-centric, but I always thought that (in
> >>California, at least) the Bay Area was the San Francisco Bay Area. Is
> >>there a Bay near Beverly Hills?)
> >>
> >>Alan
> >>(in the Bay Area) ;-)
> >
> > If you bother to click the hyperlink you will see what I meant (which
> > I suspect you already understood).
> >
> > shall (Cal '70)
>
> Ah ----- now I see. Coupa Cafe appears to be headquartered in Palo Alto --
> definitely Bay Area . . . .
>
> Alan (UCB '72)



 
Date: 19 Nov 2006 16:41:11
From: Felix
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings
shall asks:
> So, I've been regretting for four years?

Or 14, or none ... I certainly wouldn't expect a four-year old review
to hold up, even if it's from Davids. About a year ago, he awarded 92
points to the blend I just bought. What a difference a year makes ...
But doesn't Graffeo's iconic status and proximity justify a trial?


Felix



  
Date: 20 Nov 2006 01:23:50
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings
On 19 Nov 2006 16:41:11 -0800, "Felix" <felixyen@hotmail.com > wrote:

>shall asks:
>> So, I've been regretting for four years?
>
>Or 14, or none ... I certainly wouldn't expect a four-year old review
>to hold up, even if it's from Davids. About a year ago, he awarded 92
>points to the blend I just bought. What a difference a year makes ...
>But doesn't Graffeo's iconic status and proximity justify a trial?
>
>
>Felix

I found what my mistake was. I was confusing Graffeo with the new
Coupa Cafe, an all-Venezuelan shop in the Bay Area that just opened on
North Canon in B.H. http://www.coupacafe.com/contact.html

shall "now has two regrets"


   
Date: 20 Nov 2006 01:47:37
From: Alan
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings

"shall" wrote
[...]
> I found what my mistake was. I was confusing Graffeo with the new
> Coupa Cafe, an all-Venezuelan shop in the Bay Area that just opened on
> North Canon in B.H. http://www.coupacafe.com/contact.html
>
> shall "now has two regrets"

When did Beverly Hills become part of the "Bay Area" ???

(Maybe I'm being a little geo-centric, but I always thought that (in
California, at least) the Bay Area was the San Francisco Bay Area. Is
there a Bay near Beverly Hills?)

Alan
(in the Bay Area) ;-)




    
Date: 20 Nov 2006 02:14:44
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:47:37 GMT, "Alan" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com >
wrote:

>
>"shall" wrote
>[...]
>> I found what my mistake was. I was confusing Graffeo with the new
>> Coupa Cafe, an all-Venezuelan shop in the Bay Area that just opened on
>> North Canon in B.H. http://www.coupacafe.com/contact.html
>>
>> shall "now has two regrets"
>
>When did Beverly Hills become part of the "Bay Area" ???
>
>(Maybe I'm being a little geo-centric, but I always thought that (in
>California, at least) the Bay Area was the San Francisco Bay Area. Is
>there a Bay near Beverly Hills?)
>
>Alan
>(in the Bay Area) ;-)

If you bother to click the hyperlink you will see what I meant (which
I suspect you already understood).

shall (Cal '70)


     
Date: 20 Nov 2006 02:34:21
From: Alan
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings

"shall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote in message
news:jp32m2tv3qnnpv58jfg2e1cul5cug2bloq@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 01:47:37 GMT, "Alan" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"shall" wrote
>>[...]
>>> I found what my mistake was. I was confusing Graffeo with the new
>>> Coupa Cafe, an all-Venezuelan shop in the Bay Area that just opened on
>>> North Canon in B.H. http://www.coupacafe.com/contact.html
>>>
>>> shall "now has two regrets"
>>
>>When did Beverly Hills become part of the "Bay Area" ???
>>
>>(Maybe I'm being a little geo-centric, but I always thought that (in
>>California, at least) the Bay Area was the San Francisco Bay Area. Is
>>there a Bay near Beverly Hills?)
>>
>>Alan
>>(in the Bay Area) ;-)
>
> If you bother to click the hyperlink you will see what I meant (which
> I suspect you already understood).
>
> shall (Cal '70)

Ah ----- now I see. Coupa Cafe appears to be headquartered in Palo Alto --
definitely Bay Area . . . .

Alan (UCB '72)




 
Date: 19 Nov 2006 16:14:06
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings

shareyourknowledge@hotmail.com wrote:
> My comment about "aftertaste" comes from a long time drinker but a
> first time afficionado. I should learn the proper lingo!

I'm also new to aftertaste - very. Just started roasting and am
finding some coffee flavors seem linger longer. Not so much a
consideration is my impression, from a quality selection of green beans
with interesting origins. Differences I'd think subtle enough to be
close within a general affinity for coffee as its adapted globally to
growth by varied climes. Although aside from artificial or foreign
substances for curing or brewing into beans as added flavor. A
distinction for the very most expensive coffee perhaps included, as an
example of adding flavor. It's coffee said to be procured from an
animal that eats coffee cherries, as beans that are then taken from its
dung and sold as creme de la creme in coffee aficionado vernacular.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/k/kopiluwak.htm

Disclaimer: Might not go over so well in mention on a giftcard.



 
Date: 19 Nov 2006 15:35:34
From: Felix
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings
shall writes:
> Graffeo has only recently arrived in L.A. (Beverly Hills, actually),
> and I regret I haven't tried them yet. I see Ken Davids gave them
> high ks when he reviewed their two blends four years ago.

You responded to a posting about this location before these reviews
were published:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.coffee/msg/382a4a83d0b8db78

And I think this store opened in 1992! On the other hand, I predict
that you won't regret not making more of an effort to try these blends.
When I tried them (long ago), I thought the light one was too acidic
and that the dark one was too simple. Blend of blends?


Felix



  
Date: 19 Nov 2006 23:56:33
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings
On 19 Nov 2006 15:35:34 -0800, "Felix" <felixyen@hotmail.com > wrote:

>shall writes:
>> Graffeo has only recently arrived in L.A. (Beverly Hills, actually),
>> and I regret I haven't tried them yet. I see Ken Davids gave them
>> high ks when he reviewed their two blends four years ago.
>
>You responded to a posting about this location before these reviews
>were published:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.coffee/msg/382a4a83d0b8db78
>
>And I think this store opened in 1992! On the other hand, I predict
>that you won't regret not making more of an effort to try these blends.
>When I tried them (long ago), I thought the light one was too acidic
>and that the dark one was too simple. Blend of blends?
>
>
>Felix

So, I've been regretting for four years?

shall


 
Date: 19 Nov 2006 06:00:24
From: shareyourknowledge@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings
My comment about "aftertaste" comes from a long time drinker but a
first time afficionado. I should learn the proper lingo! I'm very close
to San Dimas so i might just drive to the Cofee Klatch.I just read
about another coffee company, Terroir which is supposed to be top
notch. Regards, Bob.
shall wrote:
> On 18 Nov 2006 18:26:25 -0800, "shareyourknowledge@hotmail.com"
> <shareyourknowledge@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The L.A. Times ran an article on coffee a couple of weeks ago. A panel
> >of tasters said the following were the best in their opinion: Amante
> >Amalfi Dark Roast
> > Antigua Coffee House- Guatemela Antigua Medium
> > Coffee Klatch- Ethiopian Hache
> > Groundwork Panama Esmerelda Especial
> > Intelligentsia Coffee- Berkeley's Blend
> > Jones Coffee Roasters- Ethiopian Yrga Cheffe
> > Kean Coffee Guatemalan Maya Ixill Co-op.
> >
> >
> >
> >I wanted to buy some for myself and also x-mas presents. I like a
> >reasonably strong coffee with little after taste, somewhat like Graffeo
> >coffee. Has anyone tried these coffees and if so, what are your
> >thoughts? Regards, Bob.
>
> Graffeo has only recently arrived in L.A. (Beverly Hills, actually),
> and I regret I haven't tried them yet. I see Ken Davids gave them high
> ks when he reviewed their two blends four years ago.
>
> I thought your "little aftertaste" comment was odd, as a nice finish
> is considered highly desirable by most people. I can't think of any
> coffee I drink regularly or would want to drink that lacks an
> aftertaste.
>
> That being said, all the coffees tasted by the Times panel came from
> top-notch roasters, and it would be worth your while to sample their
> offerings. If you live in the L.A. area, only Groundwork (Downtown,
> Hollywood and Santa Monica) and Jones (Pasadena) are really local.
> Coffee Klatch is great, but a bit of a drive, since it's in San Dimas.
> Intelligentsia will be arriving shortly in Silver Lake. But, all of
> the roasters ship, if you don't mind paying postage. I would also add
> Supreme Bean (North Hollywood) to the list. Russ Parsons (the author
> of the article) mentions in another article in that Times issue that
> he has a standing order with them. Kean is "almost local," being in
> Newport Beach.
>
> shall



  
Date: 19 Nov 2006 18:40:41
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings
On 19 Nov 2006 06:00:24 -0800, "shareyourknowledge@hotmail.com"
<shareyourknowledge@hotmail.com > wrote:

>My comment about "aftertaste" comes from a long time drinker but a
>first time afficionado. I should learn the proper lingo! I'm very close
>to San Dimas so i might just drive to the Cofee Klatch.I just read
>about another coffee company, Terroir which is supposed to be top
>notch. Regards, Bob.

The Perry's of Coffee Klatch are super coffee people and they know
their stuff. Strike up a conversation and let them know you are
learning. They'll be glad to mentor you. Ask when dad, Mike, or
daughter Heather will be in. Heather is a former U.S. (once) and
Western (multi-times) barista champion.

Terroir is in a Boston suburb and will be a longer drive. :-) Owner
George Howell is a legend in the specialty coffee game.

shall


 
Date: 19 Nov 2006 06:23:42
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings
On 18 Nov 2006 18:26:25 -0800, "shareyourknowledge@hotmail.com"
<shareyourknowledge@hotmail.com > wrote:

>The L.A. Times ran an article on coffee a couple of weeks ago. A panel
>of tasters said the following were the best in their opinion: Amante
>Amalfi Dark Roast
> Antigua Coffee House- Guatemela Antigua Medium
> Coffee Klatch- Ethiopian Hache
> Groundwork Panama Esmerelda Especial
> Intelligentsia Coffee- Berkeley's Blend
> Jones Coffee Roasters- Ethiopian Yrga Cheffe
> Kean Coffee Guatemalan Maya Ixill Co-op.
>
>
>
>I wanted to buy some for myself and also x-mas presents. I like a
>reasonably strong coffee with little after taste, somewhat like Graffeo
>coffee. Has anyone tried these coffees and if so, what are your
>thoughts? Regards, Bob.

Graffeo has only recently arrived in L.A. (Beverly Hills, actually),
and I regret I haven't tried them yet. I see Ken Davids gave them high
ks when he reviewed their two blends four years ago.

I thought your "little aftertaste" comment was odd, as a nice finish
is considered highly desirable by most people. I can't think of any
coffee I drink regularly or would want to drink that lacks an
aftertaste.

That being said, all the coffees tasted by the Times panel came from
top-notch roasters, and it would be worth your while to sample their
offerings. If you live in the L.A. area, only Groundwork (Downtown,
Hollywood and Santa Monica) and Jones (Pasadena) are really local.
Coffee Klatch is great, but a bit of a drive, since it's in San Dimas.
Intelligentsia will be arriving shortly in Silver Lake. But, all of
the roasters ship, if you don't mind paying postage. I would also add
Supreme Bean (North Hollywood) to the list. Russ Parsons (the author
of the article) mentions in another article in that Times issue that
he has a standing order with them. Kean is "almost local," being in
Newport Beach.

shall


  
Date: 19 Nov 2006 16:36:38
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings
On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:23:42 GMT, shall
<mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:

>Graffeo has only recently arrived in L.A. (Beverly Hills, actually),
>and I regret I haven't tried them yet.

They've been there for 5 years IIRC.

My sister in law loves them, but she likes *$.

She's given me several bags over the years, none of which were
considered exemplary.

To the OP:
Unless the recipients have equipment and the passion to properly
prepare the potion, other than giving them a new buzz word, you'll be
casting pearls before swine.


 
Date: 18 Nov 2006 20:03:53
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Coffee samplings

shareyourknowledge@hotmail.com wrote:
> The L.A. Times ran an article on coffee a couple of weeks ago. A panel
> of tasters said the following were the best in their opinion: Amante
> Amalfi Dark Roast
> Antigua Coffee House- Guatemela Antigua Medium
> Coffee Klatch- Ethiopian Hache
> Groundwork Panama Esmerelda Especial
> Intelligentsia Coffee- Berkeley's Blend
> Jones Coffee Roasters- Ethiopian Yrga Cheffe
> Kean Coffee Guatemalan Maya Ixill Co-op.
>
> I wanted to buy some for myself and also x-mas presents. I like a
> reasonably strong coffee with little after taste, somewhat like Graffeo
> coffee. Has anyone tried these coffees and if so, what are your
> thoughts? Regards, Bob.

Interesting selection, looking it over -

http://www.latimes.com/features/food/la-fo-coffeetaste25oct25,1,7745033.story?coll=la-headlines-food


Too diverse a selection to likely nail the head for individual
preference regarding exact aftertaste or boldness. Rather, look to it
as widening the tastebud spectrum. Especially with the objectivity of
cuppers present and the L.A. Times picking up the event. For others,
grind and better roast if possible at the most opportune time prior
sending out gifts, unless they're aficionados and already have their
own gear. Without which, portions will need be small enough to
encourage immediate consumption. Make specific mention in a sidenote
to the freshness effect. Also reprint the L.A. Times article and
include as part of the gift, inkjet on the backhalf of cards, so
they'll know they're getting extraordinary coffee. Fair amount of work
with ordering in time, but a great gift idea.