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Date: 14 Jun 2007 13:19:01
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
I noticed a small water leak on the underside of one of my Cimbali Juniors,
and on closer inspection it turned out to be due to a several-inches-long,
mostly straight, crack in the bottom of the plastic drip tray. I believe
this drip tray is about 12 years old as it is probably the one that came
with my old vibe Junior. Fortunately, I happened to have a spare drip tray
in the basement, so I just swapped it out.

The crack does not extend beyond to involve the side, only the bottom, but
when you look at it you can see light through it. I can't think of anyway
that this drip tray was damaged, just that it is an old piece of plastic and
it cracked. There are no other visible cracks present.

I'd like to repair this with some sort of glue or silicone or whatever, so
that I can keep it as a spare should one of the other drip trays leak in the
future. Would anyone have any recommendations as to what sort of epoxy or
filler or silicone or other product, would be suitable for repairing this
crack and eliminating the leak? I'd want to be able to use this repaired
tray for a few weeks until I could get a new one delivered, if needed in the
future.

Thanks in advance for any useful suggestions . . . .

ken






 
Date: 18 Jun 2007 12:33:17
From: Barutan Seijin
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
Am 17 Jun 2007, Roger Shoaf schrieb:



> My guess would be an ABS or PVC. Both can be solvent bonded using something
> like methylene chloride or if you have some of the cement used for plastic
> pipe that should work fine also, that is the solvent with a bit of filler
> plastic dissolved therein.

Acetone is often a good choice for jobs like this. We don't know what
the plastic is, but in any case, acetone is cheap, easily available, and
also relatively easy to use. It probably wouldn't hurt to try it.

I use a cheap paint brush and wick acetone in. Let the tray sit for at
least a day before you test the repair.

good luck

--
barutanseijin@gmail.com


 
Date: 15 Jun 2007 19:41:40
From: Felix
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
Brent suggests:
> if it is just a crack that is developing, then get some of
> the aforementioned repair gunks, and see what works

I would use cyanoacrylate, because it's inexpensive, readily
available, and thin enough to flow into the crack.

> you may also want to consider "welding" the crack.
> This can be done with a soldering iron, and if you do
> the ends of the crack, as a minimum, this should also
> prevent it from spreading.

Stop drilling is another technique people use to (try to) prevent the
crack from growing. I wouldn't do it here. I would just drip/draw
cyanocrylate along the bottom of the crack, and then work the liquid
into the crack by flexing the tray. If that doesn't work ...

> I would probably just replace it and be done with it

I agree that this salvage project doesn't deserve that much effort or
expense, but it's an opportunity to learn about materials, practice
gluing ... there's nothing to lose unless you mishandle the glue :-)


Felix



 
Date: 15 Jun 2007 06:46:06
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
On Jun 14, 3:19 pm, "Ken Fox"
<morceaudemerdeThisMerdeG...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I noticed a small water leak on the underside of one of my Cimbali Juniors,
> and on closer inspection it turned out to be due to a several-inches-long,
> mostly straight, crack in the bottom of the plastic drip tray. I believe
> this drip tray is about 12 years old as it is probably the one that came
> with my old vibe Junior. Fortunately, I happened to have a spare drip tray
> in the basement, so I just swapped it out.
>
> The crack does not extend beyond to involve the side, only the bottom, but
> when you look at it you can see light through it. I can't think of anyway
> that this drip tray was damaged, just that it is an old piece of plastic and
> it cracked. There are no other visible cracks present.
>
> I'd like to repair this with some sort of glue or silicone or whatever, so
> that I can keep it as a spare should one of the other drip trays leak in the
> future. Would anyone have any recommendations as to what sort of epoxy or
> filler or silicone or other product, would be suitable for repairing this
> crack and eliminating the leak? I'd want to be able to use this repaired
> tray for a few weeks until I could get a new one delivered, if needed in the
> future.
>
> Thanks in advance for any useful suggestions . . . .
>
> ken

As old as it is, cut out and form a template from a suitable plate
(Walmart container or kitchen section), something lasting and strong
to bolster from the back, and use two-stage (hardener/filler) epoxy --
2 hour set, 24 cure.



 
Date: 15 Jun 2007 13:09:44
From:
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
In alt.coffee, Ken Fox <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote:

> Thanks in advance for any useful suggestions . . . .

If it is styrene, pastic model cement will melt it together back into one
piece.

Otherwise, use duct tape on the bottom side. I used it to seal up a small
hole in an old boat hull once. It worked.


--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel



 
Date: 15 Jun 2007 11:22:43
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair


 
Date: 14 Jun 2007 15:45:40
From: Roger Shoaf
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair

"Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:5ddij8F33fnn8U1@mid.individual.net...
> I noticed a small water leak on the underside of one of my Cimbali
Juniors,
> and on closer inspection it turned out to be due to a several-inches-long,
> mostly straight, crack in the bottom of the plastic drip tray. I believe
> this drip tray is about 12 years old as it is probably the one that came
> with my old vibe Junior. Fortunately, I happened to have a spare drip
tray
> in the basement, so I just swapped it out.
>
> The crack does not extend beyond to involve the side, only the bottom, but
> when you look at it you can see light through it. I can't think of anyway
> that this drip tray was damaged, just that it is an old piece of plastic
and
> it cracked. There are no other visible cracks present.
>
> I'd like to repair this with some sort of glue or silicone or whatever, so
> that I can keep it as a spare should one of the other drip trays leak in
the
> future. Would anyone have any recommendations as to what sort of epoxy or
> filler or silicone or other product, would be suitable for repairing this
> crack and eliminating the leak? I'd want to be able to use this repaired
> tray for a few weeks until I could get a new one delivered, if needed in
the
> future.
>
> Thanks in advance for any useful suggestions . . . .
>
> ken
>
>

The best type of repair depends on what kind of plastic it is. For instance
if it is polyethylene or polypropylene, glue is not an option.

If it is made from something like styrene or ABS, then solvent bonding or an
adhesive like epoxy or crazy glue should work just fine.

If it is made from something like bakelite, then epoxy is probably your best
option.

--
Roger Shoaf
If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent.




  
Date: 14 Jun 2007 22:00:50
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
"Roger Shoaf" <shoaf@nospamsyix.com > wrote in message
news:1181861132.112467@news01.syix.com...
>
> The best type of repair depends on what kind of plastic it is. For
> instance
> if it is polyethylene or polypropylene, glue is not an option.
>
> If it is made from something like styrene or ABS, then solvent bonding or
> an
> adhesive like epoxy or crazy glue should work just fine.
>
> If it is made from something like bakelite, then epoxy is probably your
> best
> option.
>
> --
> Roger Shoaf
> If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent.
>
>

There are no marks on the drip tray to indicate what type of plastic it is
made from. The color is black and it is obviously injection molded.

ken




   
Date: 17 Jun 2007 19:07:19
From: Roger Shoaf
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
My guess would be an ABS or PVC. Both can be solvent bonded using something
like methylene chloride or if you have some of the cement used for plastic
pipe that should work fine also, that is the solvent with a bit of filler
plastic dissolved therein.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.


"Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:5deh5lF340429U1@mid.individual.net...
> "Roger Shoaf" <shoaf@nospamsyix.com> wrote in message
> news:1181861132.112467@news01.syix.com...
> >
> > The best type of repair depends on what kind of plastic it is. For
> > instance
> > if it is polyethylene or polypropylene, glue is not an option.
> >
> > If it is made from something like styrene or ABS, then solvent bonding
or
> > an
> > adhesive like epoxy or crazy glue should work just fine.
> >
> > If it is made from something like bakelite, then epoxy is probably your
> > best
> > option.
> >
> > --
> > Roger Shoaf
> > If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the
solvent.
> >
> >
>
> There are no marks on the drip tray to indicate what type of plastic it is
> made from. The color is black and it is obviously injection molded.
>
> ken
>
>




   
Date: 15 Jun 2007 16:15:08
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
>>
>> The best type of repair depends on what kind of plastic it is. For
>> instance
>> if it is polyethylene or polypropylene, glue is not an option.
>>
>> If it is made from something like styrene or ABS, then solvent bonding or
>> an
>> adhesive like epoxy or crazy glue should work just fine.
>>
>> If it is made from something like bakelite, then epoxy is probably your
>> best
>> option.
>>
>> --
>> Roger Shoaf
>> If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the
>> solvent.
>>
>>
>
> There are no marks on the drip tray to indicate what type of plastic it is
> made from. The color is black and it is obviously injection molded.
>
> ken
>
>

If the plastic is "shiny" as opposed to "white" then it's an old crack, that
has developed, probably with the temp fluctuations as you drop hot turning
cold water on it.

if its a combination, then the crack is developing for much the same reason

If the plastic is going brittle then the tray as a whole probably has a very
limited life left, on the other hand if it is just a crack that is
developing, then get some of the aforementioned repair gunks, and see what
works, but you may also want to consider "welding" the crack. This can be
done with a soldering iron, and if you do the ends of the crack, as a
minimum, this should also prevent it from spreading.

Just some thoughts...

Brent

( I would probably just replace it and be done with it, can you get a
stainless replacement?)




 
Date: 14 Jun 2007 14:00:44
From: espressoMarv
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
Hi Ken,

I used crazy glue to repair the crack in my Junior tray. It has been
about a year and is holding up well.

Marvin



On Jun 14, 1:19 pm, "Ken Fox"
<morceaudemerdeThisMerdeG...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I noticed a small water leak on the underside of one of my Cimbali Juniors,
> and on closer inspection it turned out to be due to a several-inches-long,
> mostly straight, crack in the bottom of the plastic drip tray. I believe
> this drip tray is about 12 years old as it is probably the one that came
> with my old vibe Junior. Fortunately, I happened to have a spare drip tray
> in the basement, so I just swapped it out.
>
> The crack does not extend beyond to involve the side, only the bottom, but
> when you look at it you can see light through it. I can't think of anyway
> that this drip tray was damaged, just that it is an old piece of plastic and
> it cracked. There are no other visible cracks present.
>
> I'd like to repair this with some sort of glue or silicone or whatever, so
> that I can keep it as a spare should one of the other drip trays leak in the
> future. Would anyone have any recommendations as to what sort of epoxy or
> filler or silicone or other product, would be suitable for repairing this
> crack and eliminating the leak? I'd want to be able to use this repaired
> tray for a few weeks until I could get a new one delivered, if needed in the
> future.
>
> Thanks in advance for any useful suggestions . . . .
>
> ken




 
Date: 14 Jun 2007 16:25:27
From: Moka Java
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
Ken Fox wrote:
> I noticed a small water leak on the underside of one of my Cimbali Juniors,
> and on closer inspection it turned out to be due to a several-inches-long,
> mostly straight, crack in the bottom of the plastic drip tray. I believe
> this drip tray is about 12 years old as it is probably the one that came
> with my old vibe Junior. Fortunately, I happened to have a spare drip tray
> in the basement, so I just swapped it out.
>
> The crack does not extend beyond to involve the side, only the bottom, but
> when you look at it you can see light through it. I can't think of anyway
> that this drip tray was damaged, just that it is an old piece of plastic and
> it cracked. There are no other visible cracks present.
>
> I'd like to repair this with some sort of glue or silicone or whatever, so
> that I can keep it as a spare should one of the other drip trays leak in the
> future. Would anyone have any recommendations as to what sort of epoxy or
> filler or silicone or other product, would be suitable for repairing this
> crack and eliminating the leak? I'd want to be able to use this repaired
> tray for a few weeks until I could get a new one delivered, if needed in the
> future.
>
> Thanks in advance for any useful suggestions . . . .
>
> ken
>
>

I had a cracked film developing tank that held together for years with a
Crazy glue repair but that was a tight crack. JB Weld, aka hillbilly
stick'um, should do the trick. Available in most hardware stores, even
in your small town.

http://www.deeteeenterprises.com/NS.JB.Weld.Adhesives.php

R "it ain't pretty but . . . " TF


  
Date: 14 Jun 2007 20:49:32
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:25:27 -0400, Moka Java <rtwatches@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>I had a cracked film developing tank that held together for years with a
> Crazy glue repair but that was a tight crack. JB Weld, aka hillbilly
>stick'um, should do the trick. Available in most hardware stores, even
>in your small town.
>
>http://www.deeteeenterprises.com/NS.JB.Weld.Adhesives.php
>
>R "it ain't pretty but . . . " TF

Plastic is forbidden by municipal ordinance in Ken's town. Most
repairs involve straightening bent platinum.

Marshall


   
Date: 14 Jun 2007 23:19:29
From: Espressopithecus (Java Man)
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
In article <fda373psped2sjt2n5efhc59nvs1lmfffb@4ax.com >,
mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net says...
> Plastic is forbidden by municipal ordinance in Ken's town.
>
Are you sure? That would put the horde of local cosmetic surgeons out
of business! ;)

Rick


    
Date: 14 Jun 2007 22:43:29
From: Moka Java
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
Espressopithecus (Java Man) wrote:
> In article <fda373psped2sjt2n5efhc59nvs1lmfffb@4ax.com>,
> mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net says...
>> Plastic is forbidden by municipal ordinance in Ken's town.
>>
> Are you sure? That would put the horde of local cosmetic surgeons out
> of business! ;)
>
> Rick

Are you suggesting that Ken had work done?

R "platinum is a very hard metal" TF


     
Date: 14 Jun 2007 21:58:02
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair

Moka Java" <rtwatches@fishyahoo.com > wrote in message
news:5decpiF34e5uuU1@mid.individual.net...
> Espressopithecus (Java Man) wrote:
>> In article <fda373psped2sjt2n5efhc59nvs1lmfffb@4ax.com>,
>> mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net says...
>>> Plastic is forbidden by municipal ordinance in Ken's town.
>> Are you sure? That would put the horde of local cosmetic surgeons out of
>> business! ;)
>>
>> Rick
>
> Are you suggesting that Ken had work done?
>
> R "platinum is a very hard metal" TF

if he did, judging by the results, the surgeon should be sued for
malpractice




 
Date: 14 Jun 2007 19:49:14
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair
Howdy Ken!
I've used this stuff to repair cracked Gaggia parts & it works:
http://www.plastex.ca/repairs/household.asp

--
Robert Harmon
--
My coffee pages. - http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj

My 'Guidelines For Newbies' - http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87

Gaggia Classic; a great machine! - http://www.tinyurl.com/2enxjo

Nuova Simonelli Mac & grinder price cut! - http://www.tinyurl.com/2aogu2

"Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:5ddij8F33fnn8U1@mid.individual.net...
>I noticed a small water leak on the underside of one of my Cimbali Juniors,
>and on closer inspection it turned out to be due to a several-inches-long,
>mostly straight, crack in the bottom of the plastic drip tray. I believe
>this drip tray is about 12 years old as it is probably the one that came
>with my old vibe Junior. Fortunately, I happened to have a spare drip tray
>in the basement, so I just swapped it out.
>
> The crack does not extend beyond to involve the side, only the bottom, but
> when you look at it you can see light through it. I can't think of anyway
> that this drip tray was damaged, just that it is an old piece of plastic
> and it cracked. There are no other visible cracks present.
>
> I'd like to repair this with some sort of glue or silicone or whatever, so
> that I can keep it as a spare should one of the other drip trays leak in
> the future. Would anyone have any recommendations as to what sort of
> epoxy or filler or silicone or other product, would be suitable for
> repairing this crack and eliminating the leak? I'd want to be able to use
> this repaired tray for a few weeks until I could get a new one delivered,
> if needed in the future.
>
> Thanks in advance for any useful suggestions . . . .
>
> ken
>
>




  
Date: 14 Jun 2007 16:36:22
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Cracked Plastic Drip Tray Repair

"Robert Harmon" <texas_coffee@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:_Ygci.128$iz5.80@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Howdy Ken!
> I've used this stuff to repair cracked Gaggia parts & it works:
> http://www.plastex.ca/repairs/household.asp
>
> --
> Robert Harmon
> --
> My coffee pages. - http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj
>
> My 'Guidelines For Newbies' - http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87
>
> Gaggia Classic; a great machine! - http://www.tinyurl.com/2enxjo
>
> Nuova Simonelli Mac & grinder price cut! - http://www.tinyurl.com/2aogu2
>
> "Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5ddij8F33fnn8U1@mid.individual.net...
>>I noticed a small water leak on the underside of one of my Cimbali
>>Juniors, and on closer inspection it turned out to be due to a
>>several-inches-long, mostly straight, crack in the bottom of the plastic
>>drip tray. I believe this drip tray is about 12 years old as it is
>>probably the one that came with my old vibe Junior. Fortunately, I
>>happened to have a spare drip tray in the basement, so I just swapped it
>>out.
>>
>> The crack does not extend beyond to involve the side, only the bottom,
>> but when you look at it you can see light through it. I can't think of
>> anyway that this drip tray was damaged, just that it is an old piece of
>> plastic and it cracked. There are no other visible cracks present.
>>
>> I'd like to repair this with some sort of glue or silicone or whatever,
>> so that I can keep it as a spare should one of the other drip trays leak
>> in the future. Would anyone have any recommendations as to what sort of
>> epoxy or filler or silicone or other product, would be suitable for
>> repairing this crack and eliminating the leak? I'd want to be able to
>> use this repaired tray for a few weeks until I could get a new one
>> delivered, if needed in the future.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any useful suggestions . . . .
>>
>> ken
>>
>>
>
>

Excellent recommendation Rob!, thanks & I've bookmarked the company. {:-)
That company is located only about 25 miles from me, & by their website., is
in every Home Hardware store too! This product looks to be about 100 times
better than the one that was & is still is being sold in Canadian Tire
stores that I've used for cowlings, flexible air dams on vehicles., etc.
Craig.