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Date: 01 Nov 2006 10:36:24
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?
I mean other than the one they tell you is bad.

Every time I order, I always order a sampler just to get a feel for the
different beans that they offer. So far, with one exception, I've loved
all of them. Well, not counting the decafs that I didn't like at all.

The one exception was Moka Kadir. Just a bit too intense for me.

My preferred brew is a cafe crema. For me, that means a 14g load in the
portafilter, slightly coarser grind than for espresso, and a lighter
tamp. Pulled to 2 4oz. cups.

Espresso is only done when I want a cap or latte.




 
Date: 02 Nov 2006 19:38:51
From: rasqual
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?

On Nov 1, 3:54 pm, "Anon" <a...@anon.com > wrote:
> On the Sweet ia's web page he states "I buy coffees that rate over 85 ...
> and that is just the absolute minimum requirement. It also has to have a
> real positive "origin character" to the cup, something that represents the
> place it is from in an extraordinary way. I also have to like it; I can't
> offer a coffee I think is unattractive (I am not that good of a "salesman")."

That's a good quote.

I'm still at the point where I'm just thankful for being able to roast,
that even non-optimal levels for a given origin are still a pleasure.
Heck, let's face it -- I could over-extract a two week old bogus roast
of SM's worst beans (well, not Tom's ugh beans), and it'd still be
better than anything I could buy within a mile.

Actually . . . LOL . . . wait, let me measure this in Google Earth . .
.

2.0 miles by car, 1512.33 Smoots as the crow flies from my front door
to the coffee shop's front door.

Googling that locution, it looks as if I'm the first person ever to
measure a distance in "Smoots as the crow flies."

- S



 
Date: 01 Nov 2006 13:54:23
From: Anon
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?

"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-F4D64A.10362401112006@individual.net...
>I mean other than the one they tell you is bad.
>
> Every time I order, I always order a sampler just to get a feel for the
> different beans that they offer. So far, with one exception, I've loved
> all of them. Well, not counting the decafs that I didn't like at all.
>
> The one exception was Moka Kadir. Just a bit too intense for me.
>
> My preferred brew is a cafe crema. For me, that means a 14g load in the
> portafilter, slightly coarser grind than for espresso, and a lighter
> tamp. Pulled to 2 4oz. cups.
>
> Espresso is only done when I want a cap or latte.

On the Sweet ia's web page he states "I buy coffees that rate over 85 …
and that is just the absolute minimum requirement. It also has to have a
real positive "origin character" to the cup, something that represents the
place it is from in an extraordinary way. I also have to like it; I can't
offer a coffee I think is unattractive (I am not that good of a "salesman").
"

I can't say I have loved all the different beans I have purchased from them
but none were really bad. It is a matter of personal taste, I just like some
varieties better than others.

Anon




 
Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:31:50
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?
My favorite blend for espresso. Try a bit lighter roast. The beans will
not all be the same color. I roast just about thirty seconds into second
crack.

"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-F4D64A.10362401112006@individual.net...
>
>
> The one exception was Moka Kadir. Just a bit too intense for me.




  
Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:51:44
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?
On 2006-11-01, Harry Moos <harrym@ruraltel.net > wrote:
> My favorite blend for espresso. Try a bit lighter roast. The beans will
> not all be the same color.

This depends on the method of roasting. I find roasting SM's liquid
amber in my friend's hot top results in much less difference in bean
color than roasting in my poppery II, in which different bean colors
vary greatly. The poppery's don't roast blends well due to the
differences in bean size/weight not circulating equally.

nb



 
Date: 01 Nov 2006 19:50:35
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:36:24 -0500, Lloyd Parsons
<lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote:

>I mean other than the one they tell you is bad.
>
>Every time I order, I always order a sampler just to get a feel for the
>different beans that they offer. So far, with one exception, I've loved
>all of them. Well, not counting the decafs that I didn't like at all.
>
>The one exception was Moka Kadir. Just a bit too intense for me.

Quite possibly, and this is not a flame, your roasting did not extract
the maximum possible from the bean. Try roasting more or less weight
than normal, dumping the beans and cooling manually, preheating the
roaster, going ± 2nd crack. Then try blending with a 'sampler' bean
that you found a tad blasé. Nirvana may be just around the corner.


  
Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:09:22
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?
In article <94uhk2lfc5834pas7a86h15leit9qja0gh@4ax.com >,
"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:36:24 -0500, Lloyd Parsons
> <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >I mean other than the one they tell you is bad.
> >
> >Every time I order, I always order a sampler just to get a feel for the
> >different beans that they offer. So far, with one exception, I've loved
> >all of them. Well, not counting the decafs that I didn't like at all.
> >
> >The one exception was Moka Kadir. Just a bit too intense for me.
>
> Quite possibly, and this is not a flame, your roasting did not extract
> the maximum possible from the bean. Try roasting more or less weight
> than normal, dumping the beans and cooling manually, preheating the
> roaster, going ± 2nd crack. Then try blending with a 'sampler' bean
> that you found a tad blasé. Nirvana may be just around the corner.

Hmm...

I hadn't thought about blending with that Moka. But after your comment,
I'm thinking maybe a lighter roasting instead of the darker as suggested
by SM. I only roasted one batch, at a vienna roast level and found it
the way I described.

Worst that will happen is I won't like it, huh?

The only blends I have done so far have been what I call mixumups. When
I get down to not enough beans for a cuppa, I pitch them in a jar and
then do the same with the next bean. I've had some interesting cups
from that, but can't reproduce them 'cause I don't track the % of each.


   
Date: 03 Nov 2006 15:32:51
From: Cordovero
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?

> The only blends I have done so far have been what I call mixumups.

Sounds like a Christopher Walken-ism.

C




   
Date: 01 Nov 2006 15:27:11
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?

"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-A45278.14092201112006@individual.net...
> In article <94uhk2lfc5834pas7a86h15leit9qja0gh@4ax.com>,
> "I->Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:36:24 -0500, Lloyd Parsons
>> <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I mean other than the one they tell you is bad.
>> >
>> >Every time I order, I always order a sampler just to get a feel for
>> >the
>> >different beans that they offer. So far, with one exception, I've
>> >loved
>> >all of them. Well, not counting the decafs that I didn't like at
>> >all.
>> >
>> >The one exception was Moka Kadir. Just a bit too intense for me.
>>
>> Quite possibly, and this is not a flame, your roasting did not
>> extract
>> the maximum possible from the bean. Try roasting more or less weight
>> than normal, dumping the beans and cooling manually, preheating the
>> roaster, going ± 2nd crack. Then try blending with a 'sampler' bean
>> that you found a tad blasé. Nirvana may be just around the corner.
>
> Hmm...
>
> I hadn't thought about blending with that Moka. But after your
> comment,
> I'm thinking maybe a lighter roasting instead of the darker as
> suggested
> by SM. I only roasted one batch, at a vienna roast level and found it
> the way I described.
>
> Worst that will happen is I won't like it, huh?
>
> The only blends I have done so far have been what I call mixumups.
> When
> I get down to not enough beans for a cuppa, I pitch them in a jar and
> then do the same with the next bean. I've had some interesting cups
> from that, but can't reproduce them 'cause I don't track the % of
> each.

I personally wouldn't roast ANY bean to that level..
Craig.



    
Date: 01 Nov 2006 14:33:56
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?
In article <4qse8pFojgmtU1@individual.net >,
"Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:

> > Hmm...
> >
> > I hadn't thought about blending with that Moka. But after your
> > comment,
> > I'm thinking maybe a lighter roasting instead of the darker as
> > suggested
> > by SM. I only roasted one batch, at a vienna roast level and found it
> > the way I described.
> >
> > Worst that will happen is I won't like it, huh?
> >
> > The only blends I have done so far have been what I call mixumups.
> > When
> > I get down to not enough beans for a cuppa, I pitch them in a jar and
> > then do the same with the next bean. I've had some interesting cups
> > from that, but can't reproduce them 'cause I don't track the % of
> > each.
>
> I personally wouldn't roast ANY bean to that level..
> Craig.

I roast both the Monkey Blend and Classic Italian blend to that level.
They are very good for my caps and lattes that way, imo.

But most of my roasting is to City to City+, with a smattering of FC in
there now and then.


    
Date: 01 Nov 2006 20:31:05
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?
On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:27:11 -0500, "Craig Andrews"
<alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:
>
>I personally wouldn't roast ANY bean to that level..
>Craig.

I 10¹²³ that!


 
Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:42:32
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?

"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-F4D64A.10362401112006@individual.net...
>I mean other than the one they tell you is bad.
>
> Every time I order, I always order a sampler just to get a feel for
> the
> different beans that they offer. So far, with one exception, I've
> loved
> all of them. Well, not counting the decafs that I didn't like at all.
>
> The one exception was Moka Kadir. Just a bit too intense for me.


It doesn't mean it was "bad" then.. One man's shit is another man's
sugar!
Craig.


>
> My preferred brew is a cafe crema. For me, that means a 14g load in
> the
> portafilter, slightly coarser grind than for espresso, and a lighter
> tamp. Pulled to 2 4oz. cups.
>
> Espresso is only done when I want a cap or latte.



  
Date: 01 Nov 2006 10:54:18
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?
In article <4qs13iFo913dU1@individual.net >,
"Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:

> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:lloydparsons-F4D64A.10362401112006@individual.net...
> >I mean other than the one they tell you is bad.
> >
> > Every time I order, I always order a sampler just to get a feel for
> > the
> > different beans that they offer. So far, with one exception, I've
> > loved
> > all of them. Well, not counting the decafs that I didn't like at all.
> >
> > The one exception was Moka Kadir. Just a bit too intense for me.
>
>
> It doesn't mean it was "bad" then.. One man's shit is another man's
> sugar!
> Craig.
>
So true.

I just went on a road trip to take care of my mom while my sister took a
break for a while. I took along my Senseo, some pods, and some fresh
roasted beans (DP Sidamo and a Indonesian). Miss Silvia will go next
time for the longer visit.

While both my sisters loved the fresh roasts, my mom was just completely
turned off by them. She didn't like the pods either.

She wanted her Folgers from the drip pot. Mom is 86 and she knows what
she likes, and what she likes is Folgers. I can't remember the last
time I even had a cup of that.


   
Date: 01 Nov 2006 12:26:50
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?

"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-01826C.10541801112006@individual.net...
> In article <4qs13iFo913dU1@individual.net>,
> "Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
>> news:lloydparsons-F4D64A.10362401112006@individual.net...
>> >I mean other than the one they tell you is bad.
>> >
>> > Every time I order, I always order a sampler just to get a feel for
>> > the
>> > different beans that they offer. So far, with one exception, I've
>> > loved
>> > all of them. Well, not counting the decafs that I didn't like at
>> > all.
>> >
>> > The one exception was Moka Kadir. Just a bit too intense for me.
>>
>>
>> It doesn't mean it was "bad" then.. One man's shit is another man's
>> sugar!
>> Craig.
>>
> So true.
>
> I just went on a road trip to take care of my mom while my sister took
> a
> break for a while. I took along my Senseo, some pods, and some fresh
> roasted beans (DP Sidamo and a Indonesian). Miss Silvia will go next
> time for the longer visit.
>
> While both my sisters loved the fresh roasts, my mom was just
> completely
> turned off by them. She didn't like the pods either.
>
> She wanted her Folgers from the drip pot. Mom is 86 and she knows
> what
> she likes, and what she likes is Folgers. I can't remember the last
> time I even had a cup of that.


Lloyd, sorry., I didn't mean any disrespect.., I meant in the saying of
"one man's trash is another man's treasure". I know what you mean with
older folks, my Mom's 83 & before I started out on the true espresso
quest enlightenment, homeroasting thing starting out near the end of
2000, it was Maxwell House freeze dried in the house!!
{:-O , but everyone's been converted since then. {:-D
Craig.
www.andrewsgreenbeans.com



    
Date: 01 Nov 2006 11:28:25
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?
In article <4qs3mkFoeslkU1@individual.net >,
"Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote:

> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:lloydparsons-01826C.10541801112006@individual.net...
> > In article <4qs13iFo913dU1@individual.net>,
> > "Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
> >> news:lloydparsons-F4D64A.10362401112006@individual.net...
> >> >I mean other than the one they tell you is bad.
> >> >
> >> > Every time I order, I always order a sampler just to get a feel for
> >> > the
> >> > different beans that they offer. So far, with one exception, I've
> >> > loved
> >> > all of them. Well, not counting the decafs that I didn't like at
> >> > all.
> >> >
> >> > The one exception was Moka Kadir. Just a bit too intense for me.
> >>
> >>
> >> It doesn't mean it was "bad" then.. One man's shit is another man's
> >> sugar!
> >> Craig.
> >>
> > So true.
> >
> > I just went on a road trip to take care of my mom while my sister took
> > a
> > break for a while. I took along my Senseo, some pods, and some fresh
> > roasted beans (DP Sidamo and a Indonesian). Miss Silvia will go next
> > time for the longer visit.
> >
> > While both my sisters loved the fresh roasts, my mom was just
> > completely
> > turned off by them. She didn't like the pods either.
> >
> > She wanted her Folgers from the drip pot. Mom is 86 and she knows
> > what
> > she likes, and what she likes is Folgers. I can't remember the last
> > time I even had a cup of that.
>
>
> Lloyd, sorry., I didn't mean any disrespect.., I meant in the saying of
> "one man's trash is another man's treasure". I know what you mean with
> older folks, my Mom's 83 & before I started out on the true espresso
> quest enlightenment, homeroasting thing starting out near the end of
> 2000, it was Maxwell House freeze dried in the house!!
> {:-O , but everyone's been converted since then. {:-D
> Craig.
> www.andrewsgreenbeans.com

I didn't see any disrespect and read your reply just as you explained.


     
Date: 01 Nov 2006 18:10:44
From: Jeffrey Pawlan
Subject: Re: Does Sweetmarias have any bad coffee?
Everyone has different taste preferences including food, coffee, wine,
and music.

All of you know that I really love an intense espresso, so Yemen or Eth.
beans are on the top of my list. As much as I am involved in roasting, I
am the only one here that drinks coffee. My wife likes the smell but
can't stand the taste, regardless of the bean origin or the method of
preparation.

I took some of my roast of SM's Costa Rica Tarrazú - Hacienda La
Minita to my parents and they said it was too subtle and weak for them.
My mother asked for her canned Yuban instead.

They are very old and have a helper come in during the day. The helper
is from Guatamala. She tasted the coffee and her eyes lit up.