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Date: 06 Sep 2006 00:57:50
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Drip VS Perk?
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Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to make one
much better than the other as far as flavor?
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- Mama Bear
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 11:25:27
From: Alan Moorman
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:57:50 -0500, Mama Bear <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo >
wrote:
>Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to make one
>much better than the other as far as flavor?
Never perc! It boils the coffee and makes it taste like it's been on
the warmer for an hour, already.
Drip passes the water once, below boiling temp, and it tastes fresh
and delicious!
Alan
==
It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death.
I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything
and let the problem take care of itself.
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 14:35:55
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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> Robert Harmon wrote:
> > Sounds like they mistook you for some dumb 'broad'! Happens to my PhD spouse
> > all the time (blond, attractive & a Southern drawl dripping with honey). She
> > had an air conditioning tech patiently explaining the venturi effect to a
> > NASA rocket (actually liquid propellants) scientist! She listened to every
> > patronizing word as though it was a sermon from the Pope himself.
Happens to my PhD computer scientist partner, too. A day or so ago he
patiently listened to a clerk at Best Buy telling him in slow,
one-syllable words (partner is Taiwanese) the difference between
Windows and Linux.
Will
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 12:58:50
From:
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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AlanM wrote:
> Last year after Hurricane Wilma, I became an avid admirer of Percolator
> coffee. I was using a Krups Moka Brew before the lights went out for
> three weeks. The only device which I could find to run on my propane
> camp stove was a percolator. After the lights finally returned I quickly
> ordered a stove top vaccuum pot. I must admit that as good as the perk
> coffee tasted, after an only two day drought, I just could not find the
> formula to make a good cup.
^ remember that Moka Pot doesn't equal Percolator. In a good Moka brew,
the water should only go through the coffee once, and then into the top
basket.
I'd definitely recommend a Moka Pot over a Perc, and maybe even a drip,
if low-tech is what you're going for. You seriously can't go wrong with
a Moka pot and can of Bustelo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moka_pot
Robert Harmon wrote:
> Sounds like they mistook you for some dumb 'broad'! Happens to my PhD spouse
> all the time (blond, attractive & a Southern drawl dripping with honey). She
> had an air conditioning tech patiently explaining the venturi effect to a
> NASA rocket (actually liquid propellants) scientist! She listened to every
> patronizing word as though it was a sermon from the Pope himself. She's
> epitomizes the grace of a saint, an especially useful trait since she's
> ried to me, who like the ol' davester can piss fifteen people off by
> uttering a single word (doesn't matter which word - it just has to come from
> us!)
um, what the hell?
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 12:18:44
From: Alan Moorman
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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On 15 Sep 2006 12:58:50 -0700, o.o.Pb.o.o@gmail.com wrote:
>
>AlanM wrote:
>> Last year after Hurricane Wilma, I became an avid admirer of Percolator
>> coffee. I was using a Krups Moka Brew before the lights went out for
>> three weeks. The only device which I could find to run on my propane
>> camp stove was a percolator. After the lights finally returned I quickly
>> ordered a stove top vaccuum pot. I must admit that as good as the perk
>> coffee tasted, after an only two day drought, I just could not find the
>> formula to make a good cup.
>
>^ remember that Moka Pot doesn't equal Percolator. In a good Moka brew,
>the water should only go through the coffee once, and then into the top
>basket.
>
>I'd definitely recommend a Moka Pot over a Perc, and maybe even a drip,
>if low-tech is what you're going for. You seriously can't go wrong with
>a Moka pot and can of Bustelo.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moka_pot
>
>
I used to use one of those, now and then, to make espresso.
It finally sprung a leak, and I never got a new gasket for it.
Alan
==
It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death.
I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything
and let the problem take care of itself.
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 20:34:13
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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That's what happens when someone snips out only pieces of a message - the
context is lost & confusion reigns. Back somewhere along this thread of
messages this would've had meaning.
--
Robert (Stop X posting!) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/psfob
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
<o.o.Pb.o.o@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>
> Robert Harmon wrote:
>> Sounds like they mistook you for some dumb 'broad'! Happens to my PhD
>> spouse
>> all the time (blond, attractive & a Southern drawl dripping with honey).
>> She
>> had an air conditioning tech patiently explaining the venturi effect to a
>> NASA rocket (actually liquid propellants) scientist! She listened to
>> every
>> patronizing word as though it was a sermon from the Pope himself. She's
>> epitomizes the grace of a saint, an especially useful trait since she's
>> ried to me, who like the ol' davester can piss fifteen people off by
>> uttering a single word (doesn't matter which word - it just has to come
>> from
>> us!)
>
> um, what the hell?
>
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 07:50:48
From: John S.
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Mama Bear wrote:
> "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote :
>
> >
> > Mama Bear wrote:
> >> "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote :
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Mama Bear wrote:
> >> >> Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to
> >> >> make one much better than the other as far as flavor?
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> - Mama Bear
> >> >
> >> > I'm confused and wondering if this little more than trolling.
> >>
> >> As soon as someone doesn't like what you say, you get accused of
> >> trolling. Jeez.
> >
> > It would help a lot if you simply asked whatever question you wanted
> > answered. Your messages include a lot of extraneous information.
>
> Well as Steve tin would say; Well excuuuuuuuse! MEEEEEEE! :)
>
> >>
> >> > On the
> >> > one hand you are "poor" and are "presently building my own
> >> > spring-wound timer switch box from parts that I bought at Home
> >> > Depot.
> >>
> >> Let me rephrase that then. I'm presently low income, not poor. The
> >> parts for that time cost me $32 at Home Depot.
> >
> > What possible bearing does all of this have given you are looking at
> > $80.00 Cuisinart coffee makers.
>
> From doing some research and reading this group, I'm changing my mind.
> Yes, it can happen. :)
>
> Yes, I'm low income, but it looks like the cheaper coffee makers, even
> if they do reach the right temperature ( and few do ), are unreliable
> anyway.
>
> The Technivorm is looking more attractive all the time. It reaches the
> right temp and is said to be reliable.
>
> So I'm thinking more in terms of what can I sell around here, to get the
> money to buy one. I am low income but have been a packrat all my life,
> and I have things like books and other things around here that I can
> sell.
>
> And if I can find work soon, that will sure help. I can justify buying
> it on credit then. My credit is fine, I'm just low income at present.
>
> >> > I was going to use it on the drip maker too, so it would shut off
> >> > after it brews and I can have cold coffee after a couple of hours,
> >> > without worrying about forgetting it."
> >
> > There are inexpensive coffee makers with automatic shutoffs - Black
> > and Decker comes to mind, but I believe Proctor Silex makes several
> > as well. And there are plug in the wall timers that cost under
> > $10.00.
>
> I built one with parts from Home Depot, so that's no longer an issue.
> The wall plug ones are generally more like clock timers. I put together
> one that's a spring wound 20 amp switch. I can set it for 15 minutes and
> my machine will brew and then shut off. It works great.
You paid more to build a timer than you would have paid for a drip
coffee pot with it's own built-in timer. We just bought a
Proctor-Silex pot to take to the beach. For $24.99 we have a 12 cup
drip pot with programmable timer, automatic off and it came with a gold
filter.
>
>
>
>
> --
> - Mama Bear
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Date: 12 Sep 2006 16:10:33
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"John S." <hjsjms@cs.com > wrote :
>
> Mama Bear wrote:
>> "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote :
>>
>> >
>> > Mama Bear wrote:
>> >> "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote :
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Mama Bear wrote:
>> >> >> Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing,
>> >> >> to make one much better than the other as far as flavor?
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> - Mama Bear
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm confused and wondering if this little more than trolling.
>> >>
>> >> As soon as someone doesn't like what you say, you get accused of
>> >> trolling. Jeez.
>> >
>> > It would help a lot if you simply asked whatever question you
>> > wanted answered. Your messages include a lot of extraneous
>> > information.
>>
>> Well as Steve tin would say; Well excuuuuuuuse! MEEEEEEE! :)
>>
>> >>
>> >> > On the
>> >> > one hand you are "poor" and are "presently building my own
>> >> > spring-wound timer switch box from parts that I bought at Home
>> >> > Depot.
>> >>
>> >> Let me rephrase that then. I'm presently low income, not poor.
>> >> The parts for that time cost me $32 at Home Depot.
>> >
>> > What possible bearing does all of this have given you are looking
>> > at $80.00 Cuisinart coffee makers.
>>
>> From doing some research and reading this group, I'm changing my
>> mind. Yes, it can happen. :)
>>
>> Yes, I'm low income, but it looks like the cheaper coffee makers,
>> even if they do reach the right temperature ( and few do ), are
>> unreliable anyway.
>>
>> The Technivorm is looking more attractive all the time. It reaches
>> the right temp and is said to be reliable.
>>
>> So I'm thinking more in terms of what can I sell around here, to get
>> the money to buy one. I am low income but have been a packrat all my
>> life, and I have things like books and other things around here that
>> I can sell.
>>
>> And if I can find work soon, that will sure help. I can justify
>> buying it on credit then. My credit is fine, I'm just low income at
>> present.
>>
>> >> > I was going to use it on the drip maker too, so it would shut
>> >> > off after it brews and I can have cold coffee after a couple of
>> >> > hours, without worrying about forgetting it."
>> >
>> > There are inexpensive coffee makers with automatic shutoffs -
>> > Black and Decker comes to mind, but I believe Proctor Silex makes
>> > several as well. And there are plug in the wall timers that cost
>> > under $10.00.
>>
>> I built one with parts from Home Depot, so that's no longer an
>> issue. The wall plug ones are generally more like clock timers. I
>> put together one that's a spring wound 20 amp switch. I can set it
>> for 15 minutes and my machine will brew and then shut off. It works
>> great.
>
>
> You paid more to build a timer than you would have paid for a drip
> coffee pot with it's own built-in timer. We just bought a
> Proctor-Silex pot to take to the beach. For $24.99 we have a 12 cup
> drip pot with programmable timer, automatic off and it came with a
> gold filter.
>
What model? Was it this one?:
http://tinyurl.com/o6dtv
I'm in the process of looking for a 4-cup one that will heat the brewing
water to at least 200 degrees.
Looks like the Technivorm 741 is the best one that's reliable and well
made.
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 21 Nov 2006 18:58:18
From:
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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If you are as serious a coffee drinker as you appear then it is definately
worth while to save $ and buy yourself a special coffee maker that meets
your expectations.
"Mama Bear" <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo > wrote in message
news:Xns983C9A63FAE47Mama@216.196.97.142...
> "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote :
>
>>
>> Mama Bear wrote:
>>> "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote :
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Mama Bear wrote:
>>> >> "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote :
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mama Bear wrote:
>>> >> >> Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing,
>>> >> >> to make one much better than the other as far as flavor?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> - Mama Bear
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'm confused and wondering if this little more than trolling.
>>> >>
>>> >> As soon as someone doesn't like what you say, you get accused of
>>> >> trolling. Jeez.
>>> >
>>> > It would help a lot if you simply asked whatever question you
>>> > wanted answered. Your messages include a lot of extraneous
>>> > information.
>>>
>>> Well as Steve tin would say; Well excuuuuuuuse! MEEEEEEE! :)
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> > On the
>>> >> > one hand you are "poor" and are "presently building my own
>>> >> > spring-wound timer switch box from parts that I bought at Home
>>> >> > Depot.
>>> >>
>>> >> Let me rephrase that then. I'm presently low income, not poor.
>>> >> The parts for that time cost me $32 at Home Depot.
>>> >
>>> > What possible bearing does all of this have given you are looking
>>> > at $80.00 Cuisinart coffee makers.
>>>
>>> From doing some research and reading this group, I'm changing my
>>> mind. Yes, it can happen. :)
>>>
>>> Yes, I'm low income, but it looks like the cheaper coffee makers,
>>> even if they do reach the right temperature ( and few do ), are
>>> unreliable anyway.
>>>
>>> The Technivorm is looking more attractive all the time. It reaches
>>> the right temp and is said to be reliable.
>>>
>>> So I'm thinking more in terms of what can I sell around here, to get
>>> the money to buy one. I am low income but have been a packrat all my
>>> life, and I have things like books and other things around here that
>>> I can sell.
>>>
>>> And if I can find work soon, that will sure help. I can justify
>>> buying it on credit then. My credit is fine, I'm just low income at
>>> present.
>>>
>>> >> > I was going to use it on the drip maker too, so it would shut
>>> >> > off after it brews and I can have cold coffee after a couple of
>>> >> > hours, without worrying about forgetting it."
>>> >
>>> > There are inexpensive coffee makers with automatic shutoffs -
>>> > Black and Decker comes to mind, but I believe Proctor Silex makes
>>> > several as well. And there are plug in the wall timers that cost
>>> > under $10.00.
>>>
>>> I built one with parts from Home Depot, so that's no longer an
>>> issue. The wall plug ones are generally more like clock timers. I
>>> put together one that's a spring wound 20 amp switch. I can set it
>>> for 15 minutes and my machine will brew and then shut off. It works
>>> great.
>>
>>
>> You paid more to build a timer than you would have paid for a drip
>> coffee pot with it's own built-in timer. We just bought a
>> Proctor-Silex pot to take to the beach. For $24.99 we have a 12 cup
>> drip pot with programmable timer, automatic off and it came with a
>> gold filter.
>>
>
> What model? Was it this one?:
> http://tinyurl.com/o6dtv
>
> I'm in the process of looking for a 4-cup one that will heat the brewing
> water to at least 200 degrees.
>
> Looks like the Technivorm 741 is the best one that's reliable and well
> made.
>
> --
> - Mama Bear
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Date: 21 Nov 2006 18:31:42
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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<cewald@telus.net > wrote :
> If you are as serious a coffee drinker as you appear then it is
> definately worth while to save $ and buy yourself a special coffee
> maker that meets your expectations.
I did, and the Technivorm 741 has been great! :)
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 03:21:05
From: Alan Moorman
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:10:33 -0500, Mama Bear <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo >
wrote:
>
>I'm in the process of looking for a 4-cup one that will heat the brewing
>water to at least 200 degrees.
>
>Looks like the Technivorm 741 is the best one that's reliable and well
>made.
I had a look at the Technivorm, and it's wonderful!
But, I make only 1 or 2 cups a day, and I think a Technivorm would be
overkill!!!
Alan
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Date: 13 Sep 2006 13:28:27
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Alan Moorman <amoorman@visi.com > wrote :
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:10:33 -0500, Mama Bear <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I'm in the process of looking for a 4-cup one that will heat the
>>brewing water to at least 200 degrees.
>>
>>Looks like the Technivorm 741 is the best one that's reliable and
>>well made.
>
> I had a look at the Technivorm, and it's wonderful!
>
> But, I make only 1 or 2 cups a day, and I think a Technivorm would be
> overkill!!!
I only make 2 cups a day and think it would be wonderful. :)
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 05:32:16
From: John S.
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Mama Bear wrote:
> "Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net> wrote :
>
> > Have you noticed that Mama Bear and Robert Hermon have the same path?
> > I think it's time to go on to other matters.
>
> Huh? I'd like to see proof of that. Not true. I don't even know who the OP
> is.
>
>
>
>
> --
> - Mama Bear
Uhhh...you are the Original Poster (OP). Confusing identities possibly?
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 21:59:10
From: John S.
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Mama Bear wrote:
> "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote :
>
> >
> > Mama Bear wrote:
> >> Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to
> >> make one much better than the other as far as flavor?
> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> - Mama Bear
> >
> > I'm confused and wondering if this little more than trolling.
>
> As soon as someone doesn't like what you say, you get accused of
> trolling. Jeez.
It would help a lot if you simply asked whatever question you wanted
answered. Your messages include a lot of extraneous information.
>
> > On the
> > one hand you are "poor" and are "presently building my own
> > spring-wound timer switch box from parts that I bought at Home Depot.
>
> Let me rephrase that then. I'm presently low income, not poor. The parts
> for that time cost me $32 at Home Depot.
What possible bearing does all of this have given you are looking at
$80.00 Cuisinart coffee makers.
>
> > I was going to use it on the drip maker too, so it would shut off
> > after it brews and I can have cold coffee after a couple of hours,
> > without worrying about forgetting it."
There are inexpensive coffee makers with automatic shutoffs - Black and
Decker comes to mind, but I believe Proctor Silex makes several as
well. And there are plug in the wall timers that cost under $10.00.
> > On the other hand you are looking at $80.00 Cuisinart coffee makers,
> > which would seem like quite an extravagance.
>
> Like someone else said, I can get one and then get working soon.
Huh...not working and worrying about $80.00 coffee makers???????
>
> > Yes, percolators do make coffee...I think I still have a Corningware
> > percolator from the early 1970's somewhere. Is it drinkable coffee -
> > sure it is - we consumed many a pot over cards. But if you brew good
> > coffee in a decent cone filter machine you find flavors and
> > smoothness that will be just astoundingly good. The percolator boils
> > the coffee over and over and over and in the process cooks all those
> > wonderful flavors away and actually burns the coffee a bit.
>
> Got it, and thanks for the accusations.
Any time.
>
>
>
> --
> - Mama Bear
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 17:01:37
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"John S." <hjsjms@cs.com > wrote :
>
> Mama Bear wrote:
>> "John S." <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote :
>>
>> >
>> > Mama Bear wrote:
>> >> Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to
>> >> make one much better than the other as far as flavor?
>> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> - Mama Bear
>> >
>> > I'm confused and wondering if this little more than trolling.
>>
>> As soon as someone doesn't like what you say, you get accused of
>> trolling. Jeez.
>
> It would help a lot if you simply asked whatever question you wanted
> answered. Your messages include a lot of extraneous information.
Well as Steve tin would say; Well excuuuuuuuse! MEEEEEEE! :)
>>
>> > On the
>> > one hand you are "poor" and are "presently building my own
>> > spring-wound timer switch box from parts that I bought at Home
>> > Depot.
>>
>> Let me rephrase that then. I'm presently low income, not poor. The
>> parts for that time cost me $32 at Home Depot.
>
> What possible bearing does all of this have given you are looking at
> $80.00 Cuisinart coffee makers.
From doing some research and reading this group, I'm changing my mind.
Yes, it can happen. :)
Yes, I'm low income, but it looks like the cheaper coffee makers, even
if they do reach the right temperature ( and few do ), are unreliable
anyway.
The Technivorm is looking more attractive all the time. It reaches the
right temp and is said to be reliable.
So I'm thinking more in terms of what can I sell around here, to get the
money to buy one. I am low income but have been a packrat all my life,
and I have things like books and other things around here that I can
sell.
And if I can find work soon, that will sure help. I can justify buying
it on credit then. My credit is fine, I'm just low income at present.
>> > I was going to use it on the drip maker too, so it would shut off
>> > after it brews and I can have cold coffee after a couple of hours,
>> > without worrying about forgetting it."
>
> There are inexpensive coffee makers with automatic shutoffs - Black
> and Decker comes to mind, but I believe Proctor Silex makes several
> as well. And there are plug in the wall timers that cost under
> $10.00.
I built one with parts from Home Depot, so that's no longer an issue.
The wall plug ones are generally more like clock timers. I put together
one that's a spring wound 20 amp switch. I can set it for 15 minutes and
my machine will brew and then shut off. It works great.
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 15:35:41
From: Jasonian
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Well, sure.. a TV is FAR better, but it's close to $200.
You said you were poor, and I know of several people who love their
Presto brewers and have had no problems after at least one year of use.
I wouldn't rely on one review. They may have gotten a dud, or they may
have mistreated it.
You never can tell.
In any case, I would go with a TV if you can afford it.
Otherwise, the Presto should do the trick until you CAN afford a TV.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 20:03:22
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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As a final experiment with my old Kontakt machine, I heated some
filtered water on the stove before making my coffee today, and poured it
into there at 205 degrees, then ran the brew cycle. What a difference!
Twice as good coffee!
So apparently the water temp is at LEAST as important as the coffee you
use!
Wow. Now I have to find a machine that heats the water enough.
It LOOKS like that's about the only reason they can get $200+ for those
Tehnivorm coffee makers. That appears to be the only real difference
between them and the $50 machines!
There are a couple of machines that I've found for under $100 that sound
like they make hotter water, but they have other drawbacks.
The Presto Scandinavian ( $46 and 3 1/2 stars at amazon ) is still
available from amazon.com but apparently has some problems with
reliability and has been discontinued by Presto. ( for redesign? )
From amazon:
"The secret is definitely the three heating elements -- a st one
under the carafe to keep from burning your brew, and the kicker: two in
the reservior that get the water up to about 200 degrees before it hits
the grounds. And without a doubt this came out hotter than ANY drip
maker I have ever used, and as hot (and tasty I might add) as any you
get from the ubiquitous coffee chains. "
The Zojirushi EC-DAC50 sounds pretty good and is $65. Rated 4 1/2 stars
out of 5 at amazon.:
"The coffee was excellent, the best I've ever had from an automatic drip
maker."
The Cuisinart DCC-1200BW sounds good ( $80 at amazon ) but has a few
problems. Not sure if it will make 2 cups as well, from the sounds of
the reviews. 4 stars out of 5.
There's a Kitchen Aid KCM511WH that supposedly has some heat pump
controls to make the water hot enough but only gets 3 stars at amazon at
$82.88.
So I'm not exactly sure what the heck to do at this point. Has anyone
personally used any of these, where you're very happy with one and can
recommend it?
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 19:59:01
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"Jasonian" <jason.haeger@gmail.com > wrote :
> Well, sure.. a TV is FAR better, but it's close to $200.
>
> You said you were poor,
Low income. I'd have to sell some stuff to justify paying that much and
am not sure my other half would approve, not liking coffee at all.
<sigh >
It's like wanting a new gun, it helps immensely if your other half likes
guns too. :)
> and I know of several people who love their
> Presto brewers and have had no problems after at least one year of
use.
Interesting.
> I wouldn't rely on one review. They may have gotten a dud, or they
may
> have mistreated it.
I'm not, it has about 72 reviews at amazon.com and only gets 3 1/2 stars
overall.
>
> You never can tell.
>
> In any case, I would go with a TV if you can afford it.
Not right now.
> Otherwise, the Presto should do the trick until you CAN afford a TV.
Hmm. Thinking...
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 12:36:46
From: Jasonian
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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The Presto Scandinavian drip brewer is known to be pretty decent for
the price.(around $35).
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 16:13:27
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"Jasonian" <jason.haeger@gmail.com > wrote :
> The Presto Scandinavian drip brewer is known to be pretty decent for
> the price.(around $35).
I was thinking that too, until I saw:
http://www.amazon.com/Presto-Scandinavian/dp/B00066XRNU
"Looks good, coffe is good but stopped working 7 months after I bought
it!"
"Makes good cofee but was a waste of $$$ because it died on me. Looking
into buying a Technivorm Clubline now."
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 09:52:43
From: John S.
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Mama Bear wrote:
> Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to make one
> much better than the other as far as flavor?
>
>
>
> --
> - Mama Bear
I'm confused and wondering if this little more than trolling. On the
one hand you are "poor" and are "presently building my own
spring-wound timer switch box from parts that I bought at Home Depot. I
was going to use it on the drip maker too, so it would shut off after
it brews and I can have cold coffee after a couple of hours, without
worrying about forgetting it."
On the other hand you are looking at $80.00 Cuisinart coffee makers,
which would seem like quite an extravagance.
Yes, percolators do make coffee...I think I still have a Corningware
percolator from the early 1970's somewhere. Is it drinkable coffee -
sure it is - we consumed many a pot over cards. But if you brew good
coffee in a decent cone filter machine you find flavors and smoothness
that will be just astoundingly good. The percolator boils the coffee
over and over and over and in the process cooks all those wonderful
flavors away and actually burns the coffee a bit.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 14:29:34
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"John S." <hjsjms@cs.com > wrote :
>
> Mama Bear wrote:
>> Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to
>> make one much better than the other as far as flavor?
>
>>
>> --
>> - Mama Bear
>
> I'm confused and wondering if this little more than trolling.
As soon as someone doesn't like what you say, you get accused of
trolling. Jeez.
> On the
> one hand you are "poor" and are "presently building my own
> spring-wound timer switch box from parts that I bought at Home Depot.
Let me rephrase that then. I'm presently low income, not poor. The parts
for that time cost me $32 at Home Depot.
> I was going to use it on the drip maker too, so it would shut off
> after it brews and I can have cold coffee after a couple of hours,
> without worrying about forgetting it."
>
> On the other hand you are looking at $80.00 Cuisinart coffee makers,
> which would seem like quite an extravagance.
Like someone else said, I can get one and then get working soon.
> Yes, percolators do make coffee...I think I still have a Corningware
> percolator from the early 1970's somewhere. Is it drinkable coffee -
> sure it is - we consumed many a pot over cards. But if you brew good
> coffee in a decent cone filter machine you find flavors and
> smoothness that will be just astoundingly good. The percolator boils
> the coffee over and over and over and in the process cooks all those
> wonderful flavors away and actually burns the coffee a bit.
Got it, and thanks for the accusations.
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 12:32:04
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Have you noticed that Mama Bear and Robert Hermon have the same path? I
think it's time to go on to other matters.
"John S." <hjsjms@cs.com > wrote in message
news:1157734363.421439.190140@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> I'm confused and wondering if this little more than trolling.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 14:30:15
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net > wrote :
> Have you noticed that Mama Bear and Robert Hermon have the same path?
> I think it's time to go on to other matters.
Huh? I'd like to see proof of that. Not true. I don't even know who the OP
is.
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 22:32:39
From: Robert Hermon
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 01:03:36
From: Jasonian
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Consider this.
The basic function of how a Percolator works.
The water is heated, the pressure then forces hot water up through a
tube. Once it reaches the top, it is sprayed over a bed of coffee
grounds, and the coffee "percolates" in this water.
The resulting liquid (brewed coffee, I suppose) then trickles back down
to the lower chamber, where it mixes with the hot water that has not
made it up the tube.
This coffee water is heated, forced up through this tube, and sprayed
over this bed of coffee.. again.
This coffee now trickles down, and mixes with the coffee/water in the
lower chamber.
The cycle repeats itself continually until the brewer is removed from
the heat source.
The problem:
Coffee is brewed, then heated, and reheated, time and time again. Bad
things happen when brewed coffee is reheated over and over again. Bad
things also happen when extraction is continual for such a long time.
The coffee will probably taste burnt, but assuredly bitter due to the
over-extraction and constant re-heating. There is very little control
over the brew parameters, except for how long this process is allowed
to continue.
Now, consider how a drip coffee maker works.
There is a filter basket, which holds a filter in place under a shower
head. Ground coffee is placed in this filter, awaiting its shower of
(hopefully) properly temeperatured water.
The extraction time is controlled by how quickly the water is sprayed
over the bed of coffee grounds, and how slowly the filter allows the
brewed coffee to drip through.
The process only happens once, and the brewed coffee is not re-heated
in order to brew to a desired strength. Strength is a function of the
proportions of how much ground coffee and how much water are used to
brew the beverage. Rate of extraction is controlled by the timing of
the filter/shower head. It is also controlled by the grind setting. A
finer grind will extract much quicker than a coarser grind.
This grind setting is more control than what is offered by the
percolator method.
On that note, I personally prefer a French Press or a Syphon Brewer
(vac pot). Occasionally, I'll go for a Moka Pot.
Either way, common sense and taste both agree that the percolator
system is to be avoided if at all possible.
Just my $.02
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 13:51:57
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"Jasonian" <jason.haeger@gmail.com > wrote :
> Consider this.
>
> The basic function of how a Percolator works.
>
> The water is heated, the pressure then forces hot water up through a
> tube. Once it reaches the top, it is sprayed over a bed of coffee
> grounds, and the coffee "percolates" in this water.
>
> The resulting liquid (brewed coffee, I suppose) then trickles back
down
> to the lower chamber, where it mixes with the hot water that has not
> made it up the tube.
>
> This coffee water is heated, forced up through this tube, and sprayed
> over this bed of coffee.. again.
>
> This coffee now trickles down, and mixes with the coffee/water in the
> lower chamber.
>
> The cycle repeats itself continually until the brewer is removed from
> the heat source.
>
> The problem:
> Coffee is brewed, then heated, and reheated, time and time again. Bad
> things happen when brewed coffee is reheated over and over again. Bad
> things also happen when extraction is continual for such a long time.
> The coffee will probably taste burnt, but assuredly bitter due to the
> over-extraction and constant re-heating. There is very little control
> over the brew parameters, except for how long this process is allowed
> to continue.
>
> Now, consider how a drip coffee maker works.
>
> There is a filter basket, which holds a filter in place under a shower
> head. Ground coffee is placed in this filter, awaiting its shower of
> (hopefully) properly temeperatured water.
>
> The extraction time is controlled by how quickly the water is sprayed
> over the bed of coffee grounds, and how slowly the filter allows the
> brewed coffee to drip through.
>
> The process only happens once, and the brewed coffee is not re-heated
> in order to brew to a desired strength. Strength is a function of the
> proportions of how much ground coffee and how much water are used to
> brew the beverage. Rate of extraction is controlled by the timing of
> the filter/shower head. It is also controlled by the grind setting.
A
> finer grind will extract much quicker than a coarser grind.
>
> This grind setting is more control than what is offered by the
> percolator method.
>
> On that note, I personally prefer a French Press or a Syphon Brewer
> (vac pot). Occasionally, I'll go for a Moka Pot.
>
> Either way, common sense and taste both agree that the percolator
> system is to be avoided if at all possible.
>
Agreed. It does sound like the drip machines that heat the water almost
to boiling, would make it best.
So what's the lowest cost well-reviewed drip machine that heats the
water almost to boiling and uses #2 paper filters? That's what I'm
looking for now.
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 06:37:35
From: Robster
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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On 5-Sep-2006, the Robster wrote:
I would think that the major difference between the two methods would
be that drip coffeemakers do their magic in only one pass under low
pressure,
as opposed to percolating which allows you to make your cup of good morning
as
strong (or not) as you would wish simply by adjusting the time you
let it run. My vote would be for the percolator as the flavor would be
extracted over a longer period of time.
Of course, it's probably more complicated than that, just a first impression
strictly thinking about the quesiton as a physics problem.
Try a coffee press instead. It's the best low-tech solution I know of that
makes really great coffee. As I alway say though, I'm just a beginner
m'self.
Good Luck,
~Robt~
(now where did I put that learners permit?)
> Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to make one
>
> much better than the other as far as flavor?
>
>
>
> --
> - Mama Bear
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 13:50:14
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
|
"Robster" <nospam@nowhere.com > wrote :
>
> On 5-Sep-2006, the Robster wrote:
>
> I would think that the major difference between the two methods would
> be that drip coffeemakers do their magic in only one pass under low
> pressure,
> as opposed to percolating which allows you to make your cup of good
> morning as
> strong (or not) as you would wish simply by adjusting the time you
> let it run. My vote would be for the percolator as the flavor would
> be extracted over a longer period of time.
>
> Of course, it's probably more complicated than that, just a first
> impression strictly thinking about the quesiton as a physics problem.
>
> Try a coffee press instead. It's the best low-tech solution I know
> of that makes really great coffee. As I alway say though, I'm just a
> beginner m'self.
>
I have a press, but it puts a lot of silt into the coffee and I read
that it's not good for our cholesterol because of all the stuff it
extracts.
http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arch/11_30_96/food.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?
cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10971787&dopt=Abstract
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 14:36:53
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
|
One thing to remember about coffee. If you read enough, you can support any
opinion. But in the end, that's what it is -- opinion. Good for you/bad
for you? What do you want to believe? My Krups French Press leaves a
little silt, but I don't worry about it. I just take my Lipitor and go
happily on my way. My doctor does recommend drinking it black [sugar is
worse than caffein?], but he has never mentioned reducing my coffee intake.
I have about fourteen coffeemakers [4 espresso, 2 French press, 1 ibrek, 1
percolator, and 6 drip]. I picked a number of them up at garage sales and
Goodwill, mostly never used and parts still in plastic wrap [in addition to
seven air poppers for roasting green coffee]. In addition, I have been a
source of equipment for many of my family, since I can't seem to pass up a
good machine for a low price. I have bought several of the new
Krups/Gevalia bonus drip machines for $5 or less, because people bought the
coffee and already had the brewer. Coffee brewing can be as expensive or
inexpensive as you want it to be.
"Mama Bear" <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo > wrote in message
news:Xns983782966B6DCMama@216.196.97.142...
> "Robster" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote :
>
>>
>> On 5-Sep-2006, the Robster wrote:
>>
>> Try a coffee press instead. It's the best low-tech solution I know
>> of that makes really great coffee. As I alway say though, I'm just a
>> beginner m'self.
>>
>
> I have a press, but it puts a lot of silt into the coffee and I read
> that it's not good for our cholesterol because of all the stuff it
> extracts.
>
> - Mama Bear
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 07:42:53
From: Alan Moorman
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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I've tried a French Press, and I prefer a cone filter (Melitta) type
just because the water mixes with the coffee once and drains on
through. It seems to leave the coffee clearer and tasting fresher.
Percolators were popular 50 - 60 years ago, including having
commercials which showed the little glass bulb/window with coffee
bubbling through it in time to music.
However, percolators keep recycling the brew through the coffee, and
I think that can easily make it be bitter.
Drip coffee makers have been around for decades, too -- I remember my
mom always swore by them back in the '50s. Seems like a better,
flavor-friendly way to make coffee, to me.
Alan
==
It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death.
I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything
and let the problem take care of itself.
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 15:35:24
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
|
"Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net > wrote :
> One thing to remember about coffee. If you read enough, you can
> support any opinion. But in the end, that's what it is -- opinion.
In this case it appears to be medical science.
> Good for you/bad for you? What do you want to believe? My Krups
> French Press leaves a little silt, but I don't worry about it. I
> just take my Lipitor and go happily on my way. My doctor does
> recommend drinking it black [sugar is worse than caffein?], but he
> has never mentioned reducing my coffee intake.
We were talking about pressed coffee anyway.
> I have about fourteen coffeemakers [4 espresso, 2 French press, 1
> ibrek, 1 percolator, and 6 drip]. I picked a number of them up at
> garage sales and Goodwill, mostly never used and parts still in
> plastic wrap [in addition to seven air poppers for roasting green
> coffee]. In addition, I have been a source of equipment for many of
> my family, since I can't seem to pass up a good machine for a low
> price. I have bought several of the new Krups/Gevalia bonus drip
> machines for $5 or less, because people bought the coffee and already
> had the brewer. Coffee brewing can be as expensive or inexpensive
> as you want it to be.
Groovy. But apparently a maker that heats the water to 200 degrees might
cost more.
I called Starbucks and asked them and they said their machines only heat
to 190 degrees.
That was when I finally got a good answer, after they told me that they
didn't go to 200 degrees because of the altitude here in Denver, which
was hogwash. ( "water boils below 200 degrees here"! )
I looked up an altitude VS water boiling temp chart and it appears that
water boils at about a half degree lower here, so it should still be
possible to brew with 200 degree water. We couldn't live at an altitude
where water boiled below 200 degrees. Sheesh.
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 16:56:27
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
|
Have you ever tried to cook beans in the mountains? I don't know what the
boiling temperature is, but they take forever to cook.
>
> I looked up an altitude VS water boiling temp chart and it appears that
> water boils at about a half degree lower here, so it should still be
> possible to brew with 200 degree water. We couldn't live at an altitude
> where water boiled below 200 degrees. Sheesh.
>
>
> --
> - Mama Bear
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 18:31:04
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
|
I've been doing some searching and found this highly rated Cuisinart
DCC-1200BW which says it brews at 200 degrees:
http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=206436
and has a 1-4 cup setting. Sounds good.
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 18:59:04
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
|
I had one and gave it to my granddaughter when she went to college. Not a
bad machine. Very similar features to the Krups Pro-Aroma that I use most
often. I got mine on sale for a little less than that, but probably not
worth waiting for a sale.
"Mama Bear" <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo > wrote in message
news:Xns9837B2335BE6Mama@216.196.97.142...
> I've been doing some searching and found this highly rated Cuisinart
> DCC-1200BW which says it brews at 200 degrees:
>
> http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=206436
>
> and has a 1-4 cup setting. Sounds good.
>
>
>
>
> --
> - Mama Bear
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 20:24:17
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
|
"Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net > wrote :
> I had one and gave it to my granddaughter when she went to college.
> Not a bad machine. Very similar features to the Krups Pro-Aroma
> that I use most often. I got mine on sale for a little less than
> that, but probably not worth waiting for a sale.
>
> "Mama Bear" <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo> wrote in message
> news:Xns9837B2335BE6Mama@216.196.97.142...
>> I've been doing some searching and found this highly rated Cuisinart
>> DCC-1200BW which says it brews at 200 degrees:
>>
>> http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=206436
>>
>> and has a 1-4 cup setting. Sounds good.
>>
I'm wondering now:
http://www.coffeegeek.com/reviews/drip/cuisinart_brewcentral/btrancho
"It's got a timer and the 2-4 cup feature works well, also. Though as
with all 10 - 12 cup units, this makes a better tasting 12 cups than 4."
Doesn't the water reach 200 degrees for a 4 cup run? I'm only going to
make my usual 2 cups at a time.
Cuisinart does have a 4 cup coffee maker but I'm not sure if that one
reaches 200 degrees or not.
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 17:40:17
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
|
"Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net > wrote :
> Have you ever tried to cook beans in the mountains? I don't know
> what the boiling temperature is, but they take forever to cook.
>>
>> I looked up an altitude VS water boiling temp chart and it appears
>> that water boils at about a half degree lower here, so it should
>> still be possible to brew with 200 degree water. We couldn't live at
>> an altitude where water boiled below 200 degrees. Sheesh.
>>
>>
>> --
>> - Mama Bear
>
>
>
http://www.biggreenegg.com/boilingPoint.htm
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 21:12:20
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
|
Sounds like they mistook you for some dumb 'broad'! Happens to my PhD spouse
all the time (blond, attractive & a Southern drawl dripping with honey). She
had an air conditioning tech patiently explaining the venturi effect to a
NASA rocket (actually liquid propellants) scientist! She listened to every
patronizing word as though it was a sermon from the Pope himself. She's
epitomizes the grace of a saint, an especially useful trait since she's
ried to me, who like the ol' davester can piss fifteen people off by
uttering a single word (doesn't matter which word - it just has to come from
us!)
--
Robert (She might be my ol' ball & chain but I never said she was dumb!)
Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
"Mama Bear" <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo > wrote in message
news:Xns9837946AAC7CFMama@216.196.97.142...
> "Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net> wrote :
>
>> One thing to remember about coffee. If you read enough, you can
>> support any opinion. But in the end, that's what it is -- opinion.
>
> In this case it appears to be medical science.
>
>> Good for you/bad for you? What do you want to believe? My Krups
>> French Press leaves a little silt, but I don't worry about it. I
>> just take my Lipitor and go happily on my way. My doctor does
>> recommend drinking it black [sugar is worse than caffein?], but he
>> has never mentioned reducing my coffee intake.
>
> We were talking about pressed coffee anyway.
>
>> I have about fourteen coffeemakers [4 espresso, 2 French press, 1
>> ibrek, 1 percolator, and 6 drip]. I picked a number of them up at
>> garage sales and Goodwill, mostly never used and parts still in
>> plastic wrap [in addition to seven air poppers for roasting green
>> coffee]. In addition, I have been a source of equipment for many of
>> my family, since I can't seem to pass up a good machine for a low
>> price. I have bought several of the new Krups/Gevalia bonus drip
>> machines for $5 or less, because people bought the coffee and already
>> had the brewer. Coffee brewing can be as expensive or inexpensive
>> as you want it to be.
>
> Groovy. But apparently a maker that heats the water to 200 degrees might
> cost more.
>
> I called Starbucks and asked them and they said their machines only heat
> to 190 degrees.
>
> That was when I finally got a good answer, after they told me that they
> didn't go to 200 degrees because of the altitude here in Denver, which
> was hogwash. ( "water boils below 200 degrees here"! )
>
> I looked up an altitude VS water boiling temp chart and it appears that
> water boils at about a half degree lower here, so it should still be
> possible to brew with 200 degree water. We couldn't live at an altitude
> where water boiled below 200 degrees. Sheesh.
>
>
> --
> - Mama Bear
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 14:58:24
From: AlanM
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
|
Last year after Hurricane Wilma, I became an avid admirer of Percolator
coffee. I was using a Krups Moka Brew before the lights went out for
three weeks. The only device which I could find to run on my propane
camp stove was a percolator. After the lights finally returned I quickly
ordered a stove top vaccuum pot. I must admit that as good as the perk
coffee tasted, after an only two day drought, I just could not find the
formula to make a good cup.
Unfortunately the Maka Brew died after it was closed out and
discontinued by everyone from whom I tried to order one.
Mama Bear wrote:
> Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to make one
> much better than the other as far as flavor?
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 12:41:28
From: Alan Moorman
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:57:50 -0500, Mama Bear <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo >
wrote:
>Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to make one
>much better than the other as far as flavor?
Never perk. The water goes through the coffee several times and gets
bitter and burned even before you have a cup.
With drip, it goes through once, and picks up the best flavor
possible.
Alan
==
It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death.
I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything
and let the problem take care of itself.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:55:38
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk? Quit X-posting!
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Wouldn't repeatedly heating the coffee to the boiling point so it can flow
up to the grounds be the 'real' problem with a percolator? Granted, the
coffee is over extracted, bringing out compounds not flattering to the
palate. But I'm sure the boiling does more to spoil the flavor than these
compounds.
--
Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
http://tinyurl.com/pou2y
http://tinyurl.com/fkd6r
"Alan Moorman" <amoorman@visi.com > wrote in message
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>
> Never perk. The water goes through the coffee several times and gets
> bitter and burned even before you have a cup.
>
> With drip, it goes through once, and picks up the best flavor
> possible.
>
> Alan
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 13:26:12
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Alan Moorman <amoorman@visi.com > wrote :
> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:57:50 -0500, Mama Bear <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo>
> wrote:
>
>>Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to
>>make one much better than the other as far as flavor?
>
> Never perk. The water goes through the coffee several times and gets
> bitter and burned even before you have a cup.
>
> With drip, it goes through once, and picks up the best flavor
> possible.
I was just wondering because I see a lot of percolators being sold too. A
lot of people must still like them.
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- Mama Bear
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 16:34:46
From: St. John Smythe
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Mama Bear wrote:
> I was just wondering because I see a lot of percolators being sold too. A
> lot of people must still like them.
The reason for it is that there is little incentive for a restaurant to
change, as opposed to some cost/inconvenience/disruption if they do.
The public, in general, accepts whatever drek is pushed across the
counter to them. I think that's changing, but it will be a slow process.
In answer to your question in another post, the better restaurants, as a
class, use drip as opposed to perk. Not even close to a contest.
Considering that a drip machine is easier to use, easier to clean and
makes a significantly better cup, there's not much reason to use a
percolator in the 21st century.
--
St. John, whose childhood coffee experience included the muslin bags of
stale coffee boiled to death in the big blue speckleware pots. Smelled
heavenly; tasted like <deleted >.
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:34:13
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"St. John Smythe" <sinjen@n4vu.com > wrote :
> Mama Bear wrote:
>
>> I was just wondering because I see a lot of percolators being sold
>> too. A lot of people must still like them.
>
> The reason for it is that there is little incentive for a restaurant
> to change, as opposed to some cost/inconvenience/disruption if they
> do. The public, in general, accepts whatever drek is pushed across
> the counter to them. I think that's changing, but it will be a slow
> process.
>
> In answer to your question in another post, the better restaurants,
> as a class, use drip as opposed to perk. Not even close to a
> contest.
>
> Considering that a drip machine is easier to use, easier to clean and
> makes a significantly better cup, there's not much reason to use a
> percolator in the 21st century.
>
I see.
So how about these Delonghi drip machines? They don't seem to get very
good overall ratings, but they claim a "shower head" design which is
supposed to make the coffee brew better. Truth or hype?
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- Mama Bear
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:12:51
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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>==
>
>It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death.
> I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything
>and let the problem take care of itself.
>
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Amen to that!
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 09:43:42
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> >==
> >
> >It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death.
> > I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything
> >and let the problem take care of itself.
> >
> >--------------------------------------------------------
> Amen to that!
hmmm... that philosophy would seem to be at odds with warnings about buying
second hand pids Ian, surely we should let the problem take care of itself.
/* no comment */
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 10:51:07
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Percolator coffee is foul stuff. No comparison. It is generally
overbrewed. Of course, my friends who cling to percolators are still using
pre-ground canned coffee, too. Oddly enough, some of them don't like my
fresh roasted, just ground coffee, either, although most of our guests
mention how good it is. It's all a matter of the taste you are used to. My
grandmother had a percolator on the stove all day, and by the time I stopped
by after school it was strong enough to dissolve spoons. But the cinnamon
rolls made up for it.
"Mama Bear" <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo > wrote in message
news:Xns9835F3C9FCAC4Mama@216.196.97.142...
> Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to make one
> much better than the other as far as flavor?
>
>
>
> --
> - Mama Bear
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 13:25:24
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net > wrote :
> Percolator coffee is foul stuff. No comparison. It is generally
> overbrewed. Of course, my friends who cling to percolators are still
> using pre-ground canned coffee, too. Oddly enough, some of them
> don't like my fresh roasted, just ground coffee, either, although
> most of our guests mention how good it is. It's all a matter of the
> taste you are used to. My grandmother had a percolator on the stove
> all day, and by the time I stopped by after school it was strong
> enough to dissolve spoons. But the cinnamon rolls made up for it.
:) Ok, but what if you use one and don't do that, for example put a timer
on it? I'm presently building my own spring-wound timer switch box from
parts that I bought at Home Depot. I was going to use it on the drip maker
too, so it would shut off after it brews and I can have cold coffee after
a couple of hours, without worrying about forgetting it.
--
- Mama Bear
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:39:20
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Most better drip machines turn themselves off after brewing, and the hot
plate goes off after a certain amount of time [which you can preset on many
of them]. Mine keeps the coffee warm for an hour. However, it usually goes
into an insulated container if it is expected to last that long. It has its
own timer to turn it on or off.
"Mama Bear" <MamaBear@No-Spam.noo > wrote in message
news:Xns98367E658E5CCMama@216.196.97.142...
> "Harry Moos" <harrym@ruraltel.net> wrote :
>
>> Percolator coffee is foul stuff. No comparison. It is generally
>> overbrewed. Of course, my friends who cling to percolators are still
>> using pre-ground canned coffee, too. Oddly enough, some of them
>> don't like my fresh roasted, just ground coffee, either, although
>> most of our guests mention how good it is. It's all a matter of the
>> taste you are used to. My grandmother had a percolator on the stove
>> all day, and by the time I stopped by after school it was strong
>> enough to dissolve spoons. But the cinnamon rolls made up for it.
>
> :) Ok, but what if you use one and don't do that, for example put a timer
> on it? I'm presently building my own spring-wound timer switch box from
> parts that I bought at Home Depot. I was going to use it on the drip maker
> too, so it would shut off after it brews and I can have cold coffee after
> a couple of hours, without worrying about forgetting it.
>
>
>
> --
> - Mama Bear
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 07:35:30
From: St. John Smythe
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Mama Bear wrote:
> Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to make one
> much better than the other as far as flavor?
Yes. But you should use the one that tastes better to you.
--
St. John
Every creature has within him the wild, uncontrollable urge to punt.
-Snoopy
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Date: 06 Sep 2006 13:23:07
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"St. John Smythe" <sinjen@n4vu.com > wrote :
> Mama Bear wrote:
>> Are there any serious differences in these methods of brewing, to
>> make one much better than the other as far as flavor?
>
> Yes. But you should use the one that tastes better to you.
>
I don't KNOW, I've never tried percolators. I don't want to have to buy
one just to find out.
Which do the better restaurants that serve fresh ground coffee use?
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- Mama Bear
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 16:32:44
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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> I don't KNOW, I've never tried percolators. I don't want to have to buy
> one just to find out.
why not? I bought a toddy coffee maker to try, once...
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 00:42:24
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"Brent" <me@privacy.net > wrote :
>
>> I don't KNOW, I've never tried percolators. I don't want to have to buy
>> one just to find out.
>
> why not? I bought a toddy coffee maker to try, once...
:) I'm poor.
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- Mama Bear
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 09:41:14
From: St. John Smythe
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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Mama Bear wrote:
>
> :) I'm poor.
"Short of funds" is a temporary condition; "poor" is a state of mind.
Don't ever be poor.
--
St. John
Experience, n.:
Something you don't get until just after you need it.
-Olivier
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 13:52:27
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"St. John Smythe" <sinjen@n4vu.com > wrote :
> Mama Bear wrote:
>>
>> :) I'm poor.
>
> "Short of funds" is a temporary condition; "poor" is a state of mind.
> Don't ever be poor.
>
Ok, well "presently low income" then. :)
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- Mama Bear
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 13:08:34
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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>
>> Mama Bear wrote:
>>>
>>> :) I'm poor.
>>
>> "Short of funds" is a temporary condition; "poor" is a state of mind.
>> Don't ever be poor.
>>
>
> Ok, well "presently low income" then. :)
>
>
oh well, in that case, go for 4 group espresso machine, finance it against
your future non low income
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Date: 07 Sep 2006 20:25:53
From: Mama Bear
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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"Brent" <me@privacy.net > wrote :
>>
>>> Mama Bear wrote:
>>>>
>>>> :) I'm poor.
>>>
>>> "Short of funds" is a temporary condition; "poor" is a state of
>>> mind. Don't ever be poor.
>>>
>>
>> Ok, well "presently low income" then. :)
>>
>>
>
> oh well, in that case, go for 4 group espresso machine, finance it
> against your future non low income
LOL!
I have to wait until I get work soon ( or else ).
I'm also wishing for a new Kel-Tec P3AT pocket pistol, but have to wait
until I get to work for that too.
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- Mama Bear
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 16:57:13
From: Brent
Subject: Re: Drip VS Perk?
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hmmm if you got that first, then, no wait don't do that...
>
> I'm also wishing for a new Kel-Tec P3AT pocket pistol, but have to wait
> until I get to work for that too.
>
> --
> - Mama Bear
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