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Date: 12 Jan 2007 22:44:12
From: Caesar
Subject: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
I really need your help here. A friend insists that Dunkin Donuts
coffee is voted best commercial coffee year after year. I can't buy
that and I would like to prove him wrong. Here, in part, is what his
e-mail contained:

"I am fully aware of everything you said in your message. Befor going
any further...Look up a Dunkin' DOnut shop and go there. it's not jusy
my opinion...it's the finding of all coffee connoseur groups and
testing organizations, like Consumer Reports and their large panel of
testers that declaree Dunkin the best year after year."
-------------------------------------
I would like to prove him wrong, with data to back me up. Is there
somewhere I can go or look to get that information?

Thanks so much,
Caesar




 
Date: 15 Jan 2007 14:43:29
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?

Felix wrote:
> They just gave the Grado SR-60 a Best Buy rating,

You're KIDDING!?!?!?!?!?



 
Date: 15 Jan 2007 12:01:43
From: Felix
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
Omniryx@gmail.com writes about Consumer Reports:
> "We review by the standards of ordinary consumers."

Doesn't everyone :-)

> Will it run forever?

It isn't easy to simulate long-term usage, so I think they occasionally
overlook some weakness as a result.

> Great for washing machines. Crap for audio equipment

They just gave the Grado SR-60 a Best Buy rating, which made some of us
review our assumptions about them. Still baffled ...


Felix



 
Date: 15 Jan 2007 07:50:16
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?

EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> I've seen tests of theirs in several areas of which I have knowlege. I've
> concluded that they use bogus criteria and methodology.


Actually, if you'd spent any time with them you would know that they
are the most sanctimoniously "unbiased" people on the planet. The
problem is that they impose their own criteria:

Is it cheap?
Will it run forever?
Does it ever require repairs

And their testers lack any particular expertise in evaluating the
products. Their rationale: "We review by the standards of ordinary
consumers."

Great for washing machines. Crap for audio equipment or coffee.



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 10:16:31
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
In this discussion I haven't seen anyone mention a national brand
coffee they think is better than DD. Its certainly better (for my
taste) than Starbucks or Maxwell House.

I looked up the Consumer Reports from Dec 04, and DD was listed third,
and a "Best Buy" in their listing of Columbian coffees. Number one
was Caribou, but it was expensive. The others were all the usually
suspects, (Folgers, Gloria Jeans, Kirkland, 8 O'cluck, etc.) Most
were in the "Good" category, but Seattle's Best and Millstone were
only "Fair" and Starbucks was in last place. I take this as evidence
that there is a God.

Curiously, the DD that was listed as "Very Good" was ground, and the
whole bean was rated lower. I guessing that means they go through a
different distribution chain, but maybe it means that CR has a bad
grinder. Perhaps the ground version has a much shorted shelf life.

They also listed Kona Blends, and all were rated below the top three
Colombians. In fact, other than Allegra, all were just "Fair." Two of
the Fair were 100% Kona, Green Mountain and Coffeeia.





Caesar wrote:
> I really need your help here. A friend insists that Dunkin Donuts
> coffee is voted best commercial coffee year after year. I can't buy
> that and I would like to prove him wrong. Here, in part, is what his
> e-mail contained:
>
> "I am fully aware of everything you said in your message. Befor going
> any further...Look up a Dunkin' DOnut shop and go there. it's not jusy
> my opinion...it's the finding of all coffee connoseur groups and
> testing organizations, like Consumer Reports and their large panel of
> testers that declaree Dunkin the best year after year."
> -------------------------------------
> I would like to prove him wrong, with data to back me up. Is there
> somewhere I can go or look to get that information?
>
> Thanks so much,
> Caesar


 
Date: 13 Jan 2007 20:29:21
From: funkspiel
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
My Mom likes Dunkin' Donuts coffee, I prefer something else.



 
Date: 13 Jan 2007 13:59:41
From: Jim
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
Caesar wrote:

> I really need your help here. A friend insists that Dunkin Donuts
> coffee is voted best commercial coffee year after year. I can't buy
> that and I would like to prove him wrong. Here, in part, is what his
> e-mail contained:
>
> "I am fully aware of everything you said in your message. Befor going
> any further...Look up a Dunkin' DOnut shop and go there. it's not jusy
> my opinion...it's the finding of all coffee connoseur groups and
> testing organizations, like Consumer Reports and their large panel of
> testers that declaree Dunkin the best year after year."
> -------------------------------------
> I would like to prove him wrong, with data to back me up. Is there
> somewhere I can go or look to get that information?
>
> Thanks so much,
> Caesar

Who wants to drink what the masses say is "the best?"


  
Date: 14 Jan 2007 03:04:00
From:
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
In alt.coffee, Jim <askme@beforeyousend.com > wrote:

> Who wants to drink what the masses say is "the best?"

Millions of people?



--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel



   
Date: 14 Jan 2007 14:26:05
From: Jim
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:

> In alt.coffee, Jim <askme@beforeyousend.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Who wants to drink what the masses say is "the best?"
>
>
> Millions of people?

I guess I should've said: "What does it matter, because why would I let
a poll like that influence what I drink?"


  
Date: 13 Jan 2007 14:07:00
From:
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:59:41 -0800, Jim <askme@beforeyousend.com >
wrote:

>Caesar wrote:
>
>> I really need your help here. A friend insists that Dunkin Donuts
>> coffee is voted best commercial coffee year after year. I can't buy
>> that and I would like to prove him wrong. Here, in part, is what
his
>> e-mail contained:
>>
>> "I am fully aware of everything you said in your message. Befor
going
>> any further...Look up a Dunkin' DOnut shop and go there. it's not
jusy
>> my opinion...it's the finding of all coffee connoseur groups and
>> testing organizations, like Consumer Reports and their large panel
of
>> testers that declaree Dunkin the best year after year."
>

I meant to respond to the Consumer Reports. We Kona Coffee Farmers
have our issue with CR too. Last year they tested Kona Blends (10%
Kona + 90% unknown and never identified which totally masks the real
Kona). So last year they got(?), were given (?) some Kona Blends and
some real Kona and they voted a crummy Kona Blend the best. I do not
think I would trust the palate of CR for aromatic knowledge. Maybe
they are better at testing cars???? or typewriters???

aloha,
Cea
beansatsmithfarms.com
farmers of pure kona
roast beans to kona to email


   
Date: 14 Jan 2007 03:05:41
From:
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
In alt.coffee, beans@smithfarms.com wrote:

> I meant to respond to the Consumer Reports. We Kona Coffee Farmers
> have our issue with CR too. Last year they tested Kona Blends (10%
> Kona + 90% unknown and never identified which totally masks the real
> Kona). So last year they got(?), were given (?) some Kona Blends and
> some real Kona and they voted a crummy Kona Blend the best. I do not
> think I would trust the palate of CR for aromatic knowledge. Maybe
> they are better at testing cars???? or typewriters???

I've seen tests of theirs in several areas of which I have knowlege. I've
concluded that they use bogus criteria and methodology.

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel



 
Date: 13 Jan 2007 07:03:19
From:
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:44:12 -0500, Caesar
<ferrante276-caesar@yahoo.com > wrote:

>I really need your help here. A friend insists that Dunkin Donuts
>coffee is voted best commercial coffee year after year. I can't buy
>that and I would like to prove him wrong. Here, in part, is what his
>e-mail contained:
>

Many many years ago & before *$, Dunkin Donuts did have above average
coffee, at least in the Boston area. They were one of the first
places to have real green bean buyer and the coffee was noted as good.
But of course, in the last 4 or 5 years, everyone has learned so much
more.

aloha,
Cea
beansatsmithfarms.com
farmers of pure kona
roast beans to kona to email


  
Date: 20 Jan 2007 00:25:29
From: Edwin Hurwitz
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
In article <034iq294viktes3omr4c7ccuie3479jre8@4ax.com >,
beans@smithfarms.com wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:44:12 -0500, Caesar
> <ferrante276-caesar@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I really need your help here. A friend insists that Dunkin Donuts
> >coffee is voted best commercial coffee year after year. I can't buy
> >that and I would like to prove him wrong. Here, in part, is what his
> >e-mail contained:
> >
>
> Many many years ago & before *$, Dunkin Donuts did have above average
> coffee, at least in the Boston area. They were one of the first
> places to have real green bean buyer and the coffee was noted as good.
> But of course, in the last 4 or 5 years, everyone has learned so much
> more.
>
> aloha,
> Cea
> beansatsmithfarms.com
> farmers of pure kona
> roast beans to kona to email

In Boston, when I started drinking coffee, in the late 70s and through
some of the 80s, DD was quite drinkable. Their donuts and muffins were
pretty good as well (although Lederman's bakery in Newton Centre had the
best donuts!). These days, I would probably characterize is similarly to
the hot chocolate that Linus made for Lucy: hot water with a brown
crayon dipped in it!

Edwin


  
Date: 13 Jan 2007 12:58:54
From:
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
beans@smithfarms.com wrote in news:034iq294viktes3omr4c7ccuie3479jre8@
4ax.com:

> Many many years ago & before *$, Dunkin Donuts did have above average
> coffee, at least in the Boston area. They were one of the first
> places to have real green bean buyer and the coffee was noted as good.
> But of course, in the last 4 or 5 years, everyone has learned so much
> more.
>

It's probably how the individual franchise owner prepares the mixture.
At the one I go to, it's very weak. There's probably a company rule or a
pre-measured bag that's issued that fits their machines.


The coffee I usually have there tastes like they put less grind in rather
than more. My test for strong coffee is usually how fast I'm grabbing a
newspaper to run to the bathroom after my extra large cup. If it's 45
minutes later, I know it was strong coffee. With Dunkin' Donuts, I never
grab that newspaper until after dinner. It practically has the opposite
effect on me.


 
Date: 13 Jan 2007 09:28:32
From: Dan Bollinger
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
There was a poll taken a few years back of coffee served in selected fast food
restaurants and DD won. I suspect he's referring to that.

"Caesar" <ferrante276-caesar@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:o5lgq2t822q4clhkvag28hu9nos95b0irs@4ax.com...
>I really need your help here. A friend insists that Dunkin Donuts
> coffee is voted best commercial coffee year after year. I can't buy
> that and I would like to prove him wrong. Here, in part, is what his
> e-mail contained:
>
> "I am fully aware of everything you said in your message. Befor going
> any further...Look up a Dunkin' DOnut shop and go there. it's not jusy
> my opinion...it's the finding of all coffee connoseur groups and
> testing organizations, like Consumer Reports and their large panel of
> testers that declaree Dunkin the best year after year."
> -------------------------------------
> I would like to prove him wrong, with data to back me up. Is there
> somewhere I can go or look to get that information?
>
> Thanks so much,
> Caesar
>



 
Date: 13 Jan 2007 05:02:37
From: dcrehr
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
Why don't you get your friend to prove himself right rather than you
proving him wrong?

Then, tell him to go back to school and learn how to spell.

DR



 
Date: 13 Jan 2007 03:27:44
From:
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
Caesar <ferrante276-caesar@yahoo.com > wrote in
news:o5lgq2t822q4clhkvag28hu9nos95b0irs@4ax.com:

> I really need your help here. A friend insists that Dunkin Donuts
> coffee is voted best commercial coffee year after year.

That's impossible. The coffee is so weak that it makes Chase and Sanborn
(which tastes like Kellogg's Corn Flakes) seem like Dexedrine.

People need to take No-Doz after drinking a cup of Dunkin' Donuts coffee.


If some of the regular coffe curmudgeons on this board ever drank DD's
coffee, they would run in for endoscopies and beg their Technivorms for
forgiveness!



  
Date: 16 Jan 2007 13:07:33
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
The Consumer Reports rating (last done in 2004) was of ground/bean coffee
only, not the brewed coffee served at the shops. Weakness is a function of
how much water the franchisees use, not DD's fault. A lot of people
(especially older Americans) will actually complain if coffee is brewed to
proper strength.

In the CR test, DD received a "best buy" award along with 8 o'clock
Colombian, bested only by Caribou Colombian. Most of the other coffees they
tested against were superket brands such as Folgers, Maxwell House, etc.
(Yuban near the bottom of ratings). When they tested "specialty" beans they
were all Colombians and all pre-bagged. They did not try any of the great
origins, they did not patronize a local roaster who could give them roaster
fresh beans. They would say that they were trying to compare what is
available to the "average American" at a superket in Podunk, Iowa. Fair
enough (not really - even in Podunk, Iowa you can mail order beans) but once
you understand the limitation of their test, then you know that it's not the
"best coffee", it's the "best coffee you can buy in a superket or donut
shop in Podunk, Iowa without mail ordering". Based on this kind of
methodology, you could come up with a lot of worthless bests - in wine you
could exclude all the great Napa and French wines because they aren't sold
in most superkets and conclude that Yellow Tail is the "best" wine. In
beer, Budweiser could be the "best" beer. The point is that if you rig the
contest conditions enough to include only mass ket products (products
which by their nature are intended to be inoffensive to the largest possible
# of people), you can come up with a "winner" of a meaningless contest.


<yubanUsed2bgood@whathappened2Yuban.org > wrote in message
news:14ednaeSRLaNOzXYnZ2dnUVZ_qbinZ2d@giganews.com...
> Caesar <ferrante276-caesar@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:o5lgq2t822q4clhkvag28hu9nos95b0irs@4ax.com:
>
>> I really need your help here. A friend insists that Dunkin Donuts
>> coffee is voted best commercial coffee year after year.
>
> That's impossible. The coffee is so weak that it makes Chase and Sanborn
> (which tastes like Kellogg's Corn Flakes) seem like Dexedrine.
>
> People need to take No-Doz after drinking a cup of Dunkin' Donuts coffee.
>
>
> If some of the regular coffe curmudgeons on this board ever drank DD's
> coffee, they would run in for endoscopies and beg their Technivorms for
> forgiveness!
>




  
Date: 13 Jan 2007 09:49:55
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
Actually, I suppose it depends on the location. My only experience with
Dunkin Donuts was the one located near my daughter's house in Wichita, KS.
I thought their coffee was pretty good. My grandchildren loved their
donuts, so that was a regular stop when we visited. Never tasted the coffee
at Krispy Kreme, but their donuts are not to my taste -- much too sweet.
However, my wife loves them. So, who to believe?

<yubanUsed2bgood@whathappened2Yuban.org > wrote in message
news:14ednaeSRLaNOzXYnZ2dnUVZ_qbinZ2d@giganews.com...
> Caesar <ferrante276-caesar@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:o5lgq2t822q4clhkvag28hu9nos95b0irs@4ax.com:
>
>> I really need your help here. A friend insists that Dunkin Donuts
>> coffee is voted best commercial coffee year after year.
>
> That's impossible. The coffee is so weak that it makes Chase and Sanborn
> (which tastes like Kellogg's Corn Flakes) seem like Dexedrine.




 
Date: 12 Jan 2007 22:21:51
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
Is it not true that there are two kinds of statistics- lies and damned
lies? "Voted best"? If you took a poll as to who made the best
hamburgers, would not McDonalds win? They have the most "voters."

DD did have a reputation of having good coffee a few years ago. On the
other hand, Krispy Kreme also created such a reputation, but in my
limited experience their doughnuts were disgusting and their coffee
ranked among one of the worst cups I have ever consumed. It was either
made from very stale beans or it had been burnt on the heating plates.
My palate writhes from the thought of it.

How can people who have never tasted a good cup of coffee or a
drinkable, straight espresso assign rankings to any coffee.

Compared to drain oil, Dunkin D's coffee probably is the best....


Randy "everything is relative" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com



Caesar <ferrante276-caesar@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>I really need your help here. A friend insists that Dunkin Donuts
>coffee is voted best commercial coffee year after year. I can't buy
>that and I would like to prove him wrong. Here, in part, is what his
>e-mail contained:
>
>"I am fully aware of everything you said in your message. Befor going
>any further...Look up a Dunkin' DOnut shop and go there. it's not jusy
>my opinion...it's the finding of all coffee connoseur groups and
>testing organizations, like Consumer Reports and their large panel of
>testers that declaree Dunkin the best year after year."
>-------------------------------------
>I would like to prove him wrong, with data to back me up. Is there
>somewhere I can go or look to get that information?
>
>Thanks so much,
>Caesar


 
Date: 12 Jan 2007 23:14:39
From: Alice Faber
Subject: Re: Dunkin Donuts coffee voted best?
In article <o5lgq2t822q4clhkvag28hu9nos95b0irs@4ax.com >,
Caesar <ferrante276-caesar@yahoo.com > wrote:

> I really need your help here. A friend insists that Dunkin Donuts
> coffee is voted best commercial coffee year after year. I can't buy
> that and I would like to prove him wrong. Here, in part, is what his
> e-mail contained:
>
> "I am fully aware of everything you said in your message. Befor going
> any further...Look up a Dunkin' DOnut shop and go there. it's not jusy
> my opinion...it's the finding of all coffee connoseur groups and
> testing organizations, like Consumer Reports and their large panel of
> testers that declaree Dunkin the best year after year."
> -------------------------------------
> I would like to prove him wrong, with data to back me up. Is there
> somewhere I can go or look to get that information?

Well, in the New Haven area, there's an alternative arts newspaper that
regularly sponsors a "best of" poll where readers vote in various
categories. Dunkin' Donuts regularly wins "best coffee", which I've
always attributed to ballot stuffing, given the various roasters and
"atmospheric" coffee shops in the area.

If an organization like Consumer Reports were to rate DD best, you'd
have to look at who they were comparing it with. After all, if you buy a
pound of DD coffee (they sell it that way) and a pound of Folgers, it
wouldn't surprise me in the least if the DD were better rated. Chances
are really good that any consumer-level comparison would *not* be with
artisanal coffee.

--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball