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Date: 20 Jun 2007 11:37:48
From:
Subject: End of a historical manufacture
Saeco shut down Gaggia's main plant in Milan and fire 105 highly
skilled workers. Rumania is considered to be the new location if any.

http://www.cittaoggiweb.it/notizie_GAGGIA--LA-CHIUSURA---ORMAI-CERTA_16761.html

http://espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio-local/La-moka-in-pensione-Gaggia-in-crisi/1545979

David





 
Date: 23 Jun 2007 16:41:30
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture
On Jun 23, 12:53 pm, "Donn Cave" <d...@drizzle.com > wrote:
> Quoth 1st-line Equipment <alt.cof...@1st-line.com>:
> ...
>


 
Date: 23 Jun 2007 08:03:11
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture
On Jun 23, 7:12 am, 1st-line Equipment <alt.cof...@1st-line.com >
wrote:
> On Jun 20, 2:37 pm, yuvali...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Saeco shut down Gaggia's main plant in Milan and fire 105 highly
> > skilled workers. Rumania is considered to be the new location if any.
>
> >http://www.cittaoggiweb.it/notizie_GAGGIA--LA-CHIUSURA---ORMAI-CERTA_...
>
> >http://espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio-local/La-moka-in-pensione-Gag...
>
> > David
>
> Just to make everyone aware, I had a discussion with Rancilio North
> America about this the other day. A good bunch of the displaced Gaggia
> employees will be working at Rancilio.
>
> Since we just added the Gaggia line to our web site, how much would
> customers 'care to purchase Gaggia' that the machines were made in
> Romania at current prices? or second scenario, at lower prices made in
> China?
>
> Sincerely,
> Jimwww.1st-line.com

Not much less. There's little choice. Gaggia holds close to premier
status (from customer survey polls) for an entry-level machine capable
of producing acceptable espresso. Mine was discounted inventory for
$150. If Gaggia parts production facilities were to go elsewhere for
substituted substandard parts, oversight on labor assembly and Saeco/
Gaggia QC were to drop, then there's problems. Not everybody wants to
start between 5 and $800 for entry quality parts, or especially cares
for concept units with PCB automation between 3 and $500. Dispense
with the latter wizardry, and there should be a basic niche for an no-
frills manual machine. Gaggia got it while they don't drop the
ball.




 
Date: 23 Jun 2007 04:12:31
From: 1st-line Equipment
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture
On Jun 20, 2:37 pm, yuvali...@gmail.com wrote:
> Saeco shut down Gaggia's main plant in Milan and fire 105 highly
> skilled workers. Rumania is considered to be the new location if any.
>
> http://www.cittaoggiweb.it/notizie_GAGGIA--LA-CHIUSURA---ORMAI-CERTA_...
>
> http://espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio-local/La-moka-in-pensione-Gag...
>
> David

Just to make everyone aware, I had a discussion with Rancilio North
America about this the other day. A good bunch of the displaced Gaggia
employees will be working at Rancilio.

Since we just added the Gaggia line to our web site, how much would
customers 'care to purchase Gaggia' that the machines were made in
Romania at current prices? or second scenario, at lower prices made in
China?

Sincerely,
Jim
www.1st-line.com



  
Date: 27 Jun 2007 00:01:13
From: jim schulman
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 04:12:31 -0700, 1st-line Equipment
<alt.coffee@1st-line.com > wrote:

>Since we just added the Gaggia line to our web site, how much would
>customers 'care to purchase Gaggia' that the machines were made in
>Romania at current prices? or second scenario, at lower prices made in
>China?

At $200, the basic Gaggias are a hell of a bargain. That combined wih
an MDF or Pavoni PGC grinder will get someone real espresso for around
$400.

Whether there is in fact a market for that is another question
entirely.


  
Date: 26 Jun 2007 02:47:47
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture
1st-line Equipment <alt.coffee@1st-line.com > wrote:



  
Date: 23 Jun 2007 13:11:55
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture

"1st-line Equipment" <alt.coffee@1st-line.com > wrote in message
news:1182597151.173793.224920@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 20, 2:37 pm, yuvali...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Saeco shut down Gaggia's main plant in Milan and fire 105 highly
>> skilled workers. Rumania is considered to be the new location if any.
>>
>> http://www.cittaoggiweb.it/notizie_GAGGIA--LA-CHIUSURA---ORMAI-CERTA_...
>>
>> http://espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio-local/La-moka-in-pensione-Gag...
>>
>> David
>
> Just to make everyone aware, I had a discussion with Rancilio North
> America about this the other day. A good bunch of the displaced Gaggia
> employees will be working at Rancilio.
>
> Since we just added the Gaggia line to our web site, how much would
> customers 'care to purchase Gaggia' that the machines were made in
> Romania at current prices? or second scenario, at lower prices made in
> China?
>


I wouldn't spend one DIME if & when this happens..., but I use Rancilio
anyway. Hehee! {;-)
Craig.


> Sincerely,
> Jim




  
Date: 23 Jun 2007 16:53:04
From: Donn Cave
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture
Quoth 1st-line Equipment <alt.coffee@1st-line.com >:
...


 
Date: 22 Jun 2007 13:57:27
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture
On Jun 22, 3:29 pm, Danny <d...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote:
> Johnny wrote:
> > <yuvali...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1182364668.681588.25030@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>Saeco shut down Gaggia's main plant in Milan and fire 105 highly
> >>skilled workers. Rumania is considered to be the new location if any.
>
> >http://www.cittaoggiweb.it/notizie_GAGGIA--LA-CHIUSURA---ORMAI-CERTA_...
> > tml
>
> >http://espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio-local/La-moka-in-pensione-Gag...
> > crisi/1545979
>
> >>David
>
> > Wow! How the mighty have fallen.
> > at the hand of *$ oh sorry that's saeco, my mistake.
> > Danny better stock up on parts...
>
> Almost none of the parts I buy are made by Gaggia anyway. Mostly
> Asasco etc pattern parts. I would of course need Gaggia for a boiler
> etc, but I've plenty of spare machines for that purpose, and most
> consumable parts are generic - Pstats etc (although I've never
> actually ever needed a new pstat...) :)
>

It's not going to be a Gaggia boiler, in the case Gaggia superautos &
Saeco interchangeablity, (whereas Asasco covers lowend Gaggia consumer
models). Unless the corporation has underwent recent merger
acquisition - it's a French product under Italian oversight
(apparently with ongoing present expansion into Rumanian and Chinese
facilities).

An Italian commitment that isn't going to be exact Swiss movement,
having choose to buy a lowend Gaggia. Except if an initial idea and
reasonable Italian construction based on value (plastic ABS
construction and aluminum boilers serve). Then, perhaps better,
again, than Saeco lowend models, if they exist at all by
comparison. . .
--

Saeco International Group S.p.A. - Its brands include Saeco, Gaggia,
and Spidem, which are sold primarily in Austria, Benelux, France,
Germany, Italy, Spain, Switzerland, and the US. (Saeco International
sells its products in more than 60 countries, but sales within Europe
account for about three-fourths of revenue.) In 2004 the company was
taken over and taken private by French buyout firm PAI Partners,
through its Giro Investimenti subsidiary.

Gaggia superautos are rebadged Saecos.



  
Date: 23 Jun 2007 19:13:55
From: Danny
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture
Flasherly wrote:

> It's not going to be a Gaggia boiler, in the case Gaggia superautos &
> Saeco interchangeablity, (whereas Asasco covers lowend Gaggia consumer
> models). Unless the corporation has underwent recent merger
> acquisition - it's a French product under Italian oversight
> (apparently with ongoing present expansion into Rumanian and Chinese
> facilities).

I don't and never have and never will use superautos. I thought you
were familiar with the machines I use in my business.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



   
Date: 25 Jun 2007 11:20:25
From: Moka Java
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture
Danny wrote:
> Flasherly wrote:
>
>> It's not going to be a Gaggia boiler, in the case Gaggia superautos &
>> Saeco interchangeablity, (whereas Asasco covers lowend Gaggia consumer
>> models). Unless the corporation has underwent recent merger
>> acquisition - it's a French product under Italian oversight
>> (apparently with ongoing present expansion into Rumanian and Chinese
>> facilities).
>
> I don't and never have and never will use superautos. I thought you
> were familiar with the machines I use in my business.
>
>

Yeah, but to the flashy guy it's all so much blather.

R "so why blather with him" TF


 
Date: 20 Jun 2007 20:57:16
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture

<yuvali300@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1182364668.681588.25030@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Saeco shut down Gaggia's main plant in Milan and fire 105 highly
> skilled workers. Rumania is considered to be the new location if any.
>
>
http://www.cittaoggiweb.it/notizie_GAGGIA--LA-CHIUSURA---ORMAI-CERTA_16761.h
tml
>
>
http://espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio-local/La-moka-in-pensione-Gaggia-in-
crisi/1545979
>
> David
>
google trans of the 1st link:
"the production of blots some manual for the coffee is not more profitable"
The moka in pension, Gaggia in crisis
Sandro De Riccardis
They risk the place beyond 100 dependent to the plant of Robecco

It blots some of the manual coffee, the old ones moka, go slowly in pension
and the plant Gaggia di Robecco on the Ship risks the closing. Yesterday the
official communication of the company has arrived that puts in mobility 104
dependent on 129 workers. To the base of the decision of the parent
company - the Saeco di Gaggio Montano, in province of Bologna, from a pair
of years controlled from a French financial institution - a decrease of the
sales, than but the same dependent judges "physiological", online with the
same periods of the previous years.
To carry the Gaggia to the decision to use mobility, just the decrease of
sales of those blots some that, like law on the situated one of the company,
"have sanctioned the world-wide happened one of the express coffee". It is
of the Gaggia - founded in the 1947 from Achille Gaggia - "the licence n.
365726 deposited in 1938 with which it can be asserted are born the modern
coffee maker with cream without use it of the vapor ".
Hour but, explains the company, "the production of blots some manual in the
from Milan plant is not sostenibile regarding the competition". In the area
of Robecco they will remain the division trades them and administrative, the
warehouse and the office you exchange again. The from Milan production will
come transferred part in Rumania and part in the already existing plants to
Gaggio Montano. "they have been defined of recent new products and us they
have been also new assumptions - Pinuccia Torlasco says, of the Fiom Cgil -.
For all we to know the intentions of the company has been one true and own
cold shower".
Hour the mayoralties have decided to come down in public square and not to
surrender to the decisions of you concern to us business. In order tomorrow
a garrison in front of the center of the factory is previewed, while already
today to noon the rsu business they will meet the mayor of Robecco on the
Ship. Also the from Bologna mayoralties are on the war foot and threaten a
strike to support of the from Milan colleagues. "I have had tuesday an
encounter with you concern us of the Gaggia - the first citizen, Giuseppe
Zanoni explains -. the leadership has informed to us that the market pushes
for the coffee caps and that the families acquire blot some to them
automatic, with which the hour can be programmed and to find hardly wide
awake the coffee ready".
But beyond to the change of the tastes of the families, to the base of the
closing of the plant also the Chinese production of blots some automatic to
the lowest prices, while "the cost of copper and the nichel only imposes
high prices much - ago to know the company - pulling down the labor costs,
the enterprise can continue living".




  
Date: 26 Jun 2007 02:44:30
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture
"Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com > wrote:



   
Date: 26 Jun 2007 10:27:34
From: Bill (Adopt)
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture
In article <46807d3e.14655072@localhost >,
D. Ross <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu > wrote:
> "Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com> wrote:

>


  
Date: 20 Jun 2007 21:08:25
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture

why is this significant?

1946 Faema founded by Ernesto Valente.

1947 Gaggia introduces the revolutionary piston lever Crema Caffe machine
and modern day espresso in the commercial establishment is born. Many will
follow.

1948 Gaggia introduces the Classica, a 2-group version of the Crema Caffe;
La Pavoni, other companies introduce new brewers based loosely on Gaggia's
revolutionary system. True espresso, as we know it today, becomes common.


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Date: 20 Jun 2007 20:42:44
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture

<yuvali300@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1182364668.681588.25030@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Saeco shut down Gaggia's main plant in Milan and fire 105 highly
> skilled workers. Rumania is considered to be the new location if any.
>
>
http://www.cittaoggiweb.it/notizie_GAGGIA--LA-CHIUSURA---ORMAI-CERTA_16761.h
tml
>
>
http://espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio-local/La-moka-in-pensione-Gaggia-in-
crisi/1545979
>
> David
>
Wow! How the mighty have fallen.
at the hand of *$ oh sorry that's saeco, my mistake.
Danny better stock up on parts...




  
Date: 26 Jun 2007 02:42:53
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture
"Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com > wrote:



  
Date: 22 Jun 2007 20:29:44
From: Danny
Subject: Re: End of a historical manufacture
Johnny wrote:
> <yuvali300@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1182364668.681588.25030@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Saeco shut down Gaggia's main plant in Milan and fire 105 highly
>>skilled workers. Rumania is considered to be the new location if any.
>>
>>
>
> http://www.cittaoggiweb.it/notizie_GAGGIA--LA-CHIUSURA---ORMAI-CERTA_16761.h
> tml
>
>>
> http://espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio-local/La-moka-in-pensione-Gaggia-in-
> crisi/1545979
>
>>David
>>
>
> Wow! How the mighty have fallen.
> at the hand of *$ oh sorry that's saeco, my mistake.
> Danny better stock up on parts...
>
>

Almost none of the parts I buy are made by Gaggia anyway. Mostly
Asasco etc pattern parts. I would of course need Gaggia for a boiler
etc, but I've plenty of spare machines for that purpose, and most
consumable parts are generic - Pstats etc (although I've never
actually ever needed a new pstat...) :)

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)