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Date: 15 May 2007 08:13:41
From: shane
Subject: Filter paper material?
What opinions do people have about the type of Filter paper used to
brew coffee?

My current opinion is that bleached paper produces the best tasting
coffee. I know that unbleached is reported to be better for the
enviroment, I see strong opionions in favor of brown unbleached
filters, but those opinions are almost always accepting a trade off in
the quality of the cup. I am only concerned at what produces the best
tasting cup. My opinion has been, when chemistry labs start using
unbleached paper for critical filtering applications, then it will be
ok to use for coffee.

I usually do not make french press coffee as I personally, do not care
for the "sludge" created in the bottom.
I currently use a melitta pourover single cup and a Chemex for larger
amounts of coffee.

I have not looked at this topic much in a couple of years and I am
curious as to if there have been any advances in the paper coffee
filter area.

Shane





 
Date: 19 May 2007 13:41:04
From: Roger Shoaf
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?

"shane" <shane.olson@juno.com > wrote in message
news:1179242021.650632.135740@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> What opinions do people have about the type of Filter paper used to
> brew coffee?
>
> My current opinion is that bleached paper produces the best tasting
> coffee.

I know that unbleached is reported to be better for the
> enviroment, I see strong opionions in favor of brown unbleached
> filters, but those opinions are almost always accepting a trade off in
> the quality of the cup. I am only concerned at what produces the best
> tasting cup.

Seems to me you answered your question.

My opinion has been, when chemistry labs start using
> unbleached paper for critical filtering applications, then it will be
> ok to use for coffee.
>

You can use an old mismatched sock for brewing coffee, but if the taste is
less than you want...



> I usually do not make french press coffee as I personally, do not care
> for the "sludge" created in the bottom.
> I currently use a melitta pourover single cup and a Chemex for larger
> amounts of coffee.

One need not worry about the opinions of another if the topic is somthing so
trivial as the enviromental effects of bleaching coffee filters. I have my
suspicion that the environmental impact of the flatulance of vegitarians has
more of an effect on the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, than does the
choice of filter materials.



>
> I have not looked at this topic much in a couple of years and I am
> curious as to if there have been any advances in the paper coffee
> filter area.

If the whiney snot nosed psudo scientific types win on their quest to ban
white paper then they will shift gears and pick an other specious cause to
pursue. Ignore them and let them attempt to make their case in real science
but until they do then they are not worthy of your time.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.




 
Date: 17 May 2007 17:45:12
From: Felix
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
EskWI... responds:
> > I bought my Chemex filters in Needham: [...]
> driven by 10 zilion times. Its high time I stop in!

Good, then you know it's actually in Newton (Highlands). I must have
been under-caffeinated :-)

That China Fair isn't at all like the other ones. For a long time, the
staff included a woman who I assumed was an owner, cheerfully hiding
from her main stores. After she died, another employee corrected me.
One of my all-time favorite stores ... and the source for the cocktail/
lemonade pitcher that I used with my Melitta filter holder. It cost
less than a replacement carafe, and looks nicer too. One-piece, all-
glass construction ... the poor man's Chemex?

Try to schedule time to walk the aisles, but don't buy any coffee.


Felix



 
Date: 15 May 2007 19:32:40
From: Felix
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
I redundantly wrote:
> Barry sold me my last box when he was between stores.

Sorry for the duplicate ... now I remember that when I lived near
Boston, I bought my Chemex filters in Needham:
http://chinafairinc.com/xcart/customer/home.php?cat=182


Felix



  
Date: 17 May 2007 15:18:35
From:
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
In alt.coffee, Felix <felixyen@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I redundantly wrote:
> > Barry sold me my last box when he was between stores.

> Sorry for the duplicate ... now I remember that when I lived near
> Boston, I bought my Chemex filters in Needham:
> http://chinafairinc.com/xcart/customer/home.php?cat=182


I'e driven by 10 zilion times. Its high time I stop in!

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel



 
Date: 15 May 2007 18:22:26
From: Felix
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
EskWI... asks:
> Which filters do you prefer, Melitta or Chemex?

For a while, I used both in my Chemex, and the comparisons were
somewhat controlled because I have a machine heating and pouring the
water. There's a subtle difference, they both work ... I wouldn't
disagree if someone advocated using the brand that cost less. Almost
everything else matters more.

> And where the heck can you buy Chemex filters

Barry sold me my last box when he was between stores. I figured he
could use the business, and I like to buy coffee from him now and
then. If you haven't done so already ...


Felix



 
Date: 15 May 2007 18:21:46
From: Felix
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
EskWI... asks:
> Which filters do you prefer, Melitta or Chemex?

For a while, I used both in my Chemex, and the comparisons were
somewhat controlled because I have a machine heating and pouring the
water. There's a subtle difference, they both work ... I wouldn't
disagree if someone advocated using the brand that cost less. Almost
everything else matters more.

> And where the heck can you buy Chemex filters

Barry sold me my last box when he was between stores. I figured he
could use the business, and I like to buy coffee from him now and
then. If you haven't done so already ...


Felix



 
Date: 15 May 2007 09:30:51
From: shane
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
On May 15, 10:43 am, Robert Harmon <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com > wrote:
> shane <shane.ol...@juno.com> wrote in news:1179242021.650632.135740
> @y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > What opinions do people have about the type of Filter paper used to
> > brew coffee?
>
> > My current opinion is that bleached paper produces the best tasting
> > coffee. I know that unbleached is reported to be better for the
> > enviroment, I see strong opionions in favor of brown unbleached
> > filters, but those opinions are almost always accepting a trade off in
> > the quality of the cup. I am only concerned at what produces the best
> > tasting cup. My opinion has been, when chemistry labs start using
> > unbleached paper for critical filtering applications, then it will be
> > ok to use for coffee.
>
> > I usually do not make french press coffee as I personally, do not care
> > for the "sludge" created in the bottom.
> > I currently use a melitta pourover single cup and a Chemex for larger
> > amounts of coffee.
>
> > I have not looked at this topic much in a couple of years and I am
> > curious as to if there have been any advances in the paper coffee
> > filter area.
>
> > Shane
>
> Howdy Shane!
> I can't believe what I just read; someone actually putting taste before the
> environment? Most folks don't have the cojones to state this so openly, but
> I agree with you; I drink coffee for the flavor & would rather stop
> drinking it than sacrifice my taste buds for political correctness.
>
> Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
> newsgroup!) Harmon
> --http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj- My coffee pages.http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87- My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2- I have things for sale here.
>
> Remove "ZED" from address if replying by email.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah I have had a couple of good natured discussions with non-thinking
enviromentaly minded people. The chemistry labs using bleached paper
statement always seems to end the discussion. I haven't been in a
chemistry lab in a few years. Have they started using un-bleached
paper?

Shane



  
Date: 15 May 2007 16:35:44
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
Howdy Shane!
Ha - ROFLMAO! But then again, maybe that could explain some of the skewed
science I've seen lately?
--
Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

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"shane" <shane.olson@juno.com > wrote in message
news:1179246651.717241.218940@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> Yeah I have had a couple of good natured discussions with non-thinking
> enviromentaly minded people. The chemistry labs using bleached paper
> statement always seems to end the discussion. I haven't been in a
> chemistry lab in a few years. Have they started using un-bleached
> paper?
>
> Shane
>




 
Date: 15 May 2007 09:22:46
From: shane
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
On May 15, 10:34 am, EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> In alt.coffee, shane <shane.ol...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > I currently use a melitta pourover single cup and a Chemex for larger
> > amounts of coffee.
>
> Which filters do you prefer, Melitta or Chemex? And where the heck can
> you buy Chemex filters in a store? I hae a couple of Chemex pots
> (including a cute little tiny one that my Mom picked up for me at a yard
> sale) but I have no fiters.
>
> --
> The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
> certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
> -- Bertrand Russel

I don't use my Chemex all that much, so a box of filters lasts me a
while. I have gotten filters at "the Kitchen Window" in
Minneapolis.
The filters seem to be avaliable at specilty kitchen or coffee stores.
There are a few places that sell them online too.

Shane



 
Date: 15 May 2007 15:43:33
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
shane <shane.olson@juno.com > wrote in news:1179242021.650632.135740
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> What opinions do people have about the type of Filter paper used to
> brew coffee?
>
> My current opinion is that bleached paper produces the best tasting
> coffee. I know that unbleached is reported to be better for the
> enviroment, I see strong opionions in favor of brown unbleached
> filters, but those opinions are almost always accepting a trade off in
> the quality of the cup. I am only concerned at what produces the best
> tasting cup. My opinion has been, when chemistry labs start using
> unbleached paper for critical filtering applications, then it will be
> ok to use for coffee.
>
> I usually do not make french press coffee as I personally, do not care
> for the "sludge" created in the bottom.
> I currently use a melitta pourover single cup and a Chemex for larger
> amounts of coffee.
>
> I have not looked at this topic much in a couple of years and I am
> curious as to if there have been any advances in the paper coffee
> filter area.
>
> Shane
>

Howdy Shane!
I can't believe what I just read; someone actually putting taste before the
environment? Most folks don't have the cojones to state this so openly, but
I agree with you; I drink coffee for the flavor & would rather stop
drinking it than sacrifice my taste buds for political correctness.

Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

Remove "ZED" from address if replying by email.


  
Date: 15 May 2007 16:21:20
From: Randall Nortman
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
On 2007-05-15, Robert Harmon <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote:
[...]
> I can't believe what I just read; someone actually putting taste before the
> environment? Most folks don't have the cojones to state this so openly, but
> I agree with you; I drink coffee for the flavor & would rather stop
> drinking it than sacrifice my taste buds for political correctness.

For some people, it would be a sacrifice for political correctness.
For others, it would be a sacrifice for having an environment which is
healthy for humans to live in. I'd call that a trade-off rather than
a sacrifice.

Put another way: Some people care about the environment not because
it's politically correct to do so, or because panda bears are cute and
fuzzy, but because we humans have to actually live in and survive off
of the environment.

Put another way: We have to drink our own bathwater, eventually.

That said, I suspect that paper coffee filters account for a tiny
fraction of bleached paper production worldwide.

That said, every little bit helps.

That said, what was I saying?

--
Randall
Pandas and tree-huggers be damned.


 
Date: 15 May 2007 15:34:06
From:
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
In alt.coffee, shane <shane.olson@juno.com > wrote:

> I currently use a melitta pourover single cup and a Chemex for larger
> amounts of coffee.


Which filters do you prefer, Melitta or Chemex? And where the heck can
you buy Chemex filters in a store? I hae a couple of Chemex pots
(including a cute little tiny one that my Mom picked up for me at a yard
sale) but I have no fiters.

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel



  
Date: 16 May 2007 04:41:36
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?


   
Date: 17 May 2007 01:17:03
From: Ed Needham
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
I don't think chlorine bleach is used on coffee filters anymore. It's an
oxygen bleach process now for food grade products.
--
*********************
Ed Needham (using Chemex for over 30 years)
"to absurdity and beyond!"
http://www.homeroaster.com
(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
*********************

"D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu > wrote in message
news:464a8678.5844844@localhost...
<SNIP >
> As for the environmental effects of bleaching, the environmental dangers
> of
> chlorine bleach is greatly exaggerated, most loudly by people who sell
> "green" alternatives. (Chlorine bleach breaks down over time into salt
> water.) The big issue with bleached filters was that some mills used PCBs
> in the bleaching process. I don't know to what extent that is done
> anymore; dioxin et al effluent is tightly controlled nowadays by federal
> and
> state standards
>
> - David R.




    
Date: 17 May 2007 21:26:55
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
"Ed Needham" <ed@NOSPAMhomeroaster.com > wrote:



     
Date: 19 May 2007 01:27:06
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
On Thu, 17 May 2007 21:26:55 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D.
Ross) wrote:

>Chemex now calls their bleached filters "oxygen cleansed", so you are
>correct for their filters. I am pretty sure that the Melitta micropores are
>also bleached with an oxygen bleach. However, I would assume that any
>generic white filter is chlorine bleached, unless it specifically says
>otherwise on the box. Chlorine bleach is perfectly acceptable for food
>product preparation (there was *never* a problem with the bleach process
>somehow tainting the filters).
>

iirc, either Cl bleaching was never used for coffee filters, or it
hasn't been used since the early '90s. i seem to recall a seminar on
filters way back when, given by someone from green mtn who found out
whilst sourcing filter paper that Cl had never been an issue.



      
Date: 19 May 2007 07:50:24
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Filter paper material?
Barry Jarrett <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote: