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Date: 12 Oct 2006 18:44:38
From: James Jeffrey
Subject: Gaggia Baby Twin - new machine - any good?
Hey,

Has anyone tried out the new Baby Twin and can you tell me if it's good?
What does it retail for?

The catalogue
(http://www.gaggia.com/dam/bo/allegati/abcupload/254_92_babytwin.pdf,
http://www.gaggia.com/macchine-da-caffe.asp?macchine-per-espresso-manuali_92_New-Baby-Twin)
says it has a "dual heating system" and can provide near instant steam.

Does this mean it has a different boiler system to the others? Is it
thermoblock based instead of a boiler machine?

thanks,

James




 
Date: 13 Oct 2006 09:29:41
From: daveb
Subject: Baby thermoblock?


Uh, actually it is not an added thermobloc, but a simple 'U' shaped
booster boiler.

Dave
Saeco / Gaggia service SE
877 286 2833



 
Date: 13 Oct 2006 17:29:11
From: Bertie Doe
Subject: Re: Gaggia Baby Twin - new machine - any good?

> The catalogue
> (http://www.gaggia.com/dam/bo/allegati/abcupload/254_92_babytwin.pdf,
> http://www.gaggia.com/macchine-da-caffe.asp?macchine-per-espresso-manuali_92_New-Baby-Twin)
> says it has a "dual heating system" and can provide near instant steam.
>
> Does this mean it has a different boiler system to the others? Is it
> thermoblock based instead of a boiler machine?
>
On the Gaggia site http://www.gaggia.uk.com/ under 'coming soon' it does
state twin boiler and also double boiler. No mention of thermoblock. I
wonder if they have plans for a t/b Classic or Coffee?

Bertie




 
Date: 12 Oct 2006 15:50:47
From: daveb
Subject: Baby Twin - new machine - ???
All recent Gaggias have 2 elements -- on on each side of the boiler --
700 W each.

the current draw of this unit is just over 1400 watts -- 1400 + the
pump . and unless the boiler has been radically redesigned where would
a second boiler go?

whats' new here?? other than the front panel?

Dave
www.hitechespresso.com



Mud Pup wrote:
> Randy G. wrote:
> >
> > Since it states "double heating element," assuming that the above
> > statement means that it has a boiler for pulling shots and a separate
> > thermoblock for steaming. I would also think that switching to steam
> > turns off the boiler's heating element.
>
> It's the exact same language that they use to describe
> the superautos with a thermoblock for steam.



  
Date: 13 Oct 2006 14:59:32
From: Mud Pup
Subject: Re: Baby Twin - new machine - ???
daveb wrote:
> All recent Gaggias have 2 elements -- on on each side of the boiler --
> 700 W each.
>
> the current draw of this unit is just over 1400 watts -- 1400 + the
> pump . and unless the boiler has been radically redesigned where would
> a second boiler go?
>
> whats' new here?? other than the front panel?

"The Rapid Steam function eliminates the waiting time between making
espresso and producing a thick foamy crema."

On all of Saeco's other machines, "Rapid Steam" means an added
thermobloc.


 
Date: 12 Oct 2006 14:25:38
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Gaggia Baby Twin - new machine - any good?
James Jeffrey <altcoffee@jgj.org.uk > wrote:

>Hey,
>
>Has anyone tried out the new Baby Twin and can you tell me if it's good?
>What does it retail for?
>
>The catalogue
>(http://www.gaggia.com/dam/bo/allegati/abcupload/254_92_babytwin.pdf,
>http://www.gaggia.com/macchine-da-caffe.asp?macchine-per-espresso-manuali_92_New-Baby-Twin)
>says it has a "dual heating system" and can provide near instant steam.
>
It states on the page, "The Rapid Steam function eliminates the
waiting time between making espresso and producing a thick foamy
crema. "

Since it states "double heating element," assuming that the above
statement means that it has a boiler for pulling shots and a separate
thermoblock for steaming. I would also think that switching to steam
turns off the boiler's heating element.

It goes on to say, " In a few seconds you can taste an authentic cup
of cappuccino …like the one at coffee shop."

If that is indeed true, maybe it's not as good as it seems... ;-)


Randy "as bad as the local coffee shop" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




  
Date: 12 Oct 2006 22:39:51
From: Mud Pup
Subject: Re: Gaggia Baby Twin - new machine - any good?
Randy G. wrote:
>
> Since it states "double heating element," assuming that the above
> statement means that it has a boiler for pulling shots and a separate
> thermoblock for steaming. I would also think that switching to steam
> turns off the boiler's heating element.

It's the exact same language that they use to describe
the superautos with a thermoblock for steam.


 
Date: 12 Oct 2006 19:19:57
From: James Jeffrey
Subject: Re: Gaggia Baby Twin - new machine - any good?
To part answer my own question - It's quite pricey. I've found an online
retailer offering it for £270 - £50 ($95 US) more than the classic
(which they were offering for £220, $400).

Still, cheapest I've seen a Silvia for over here is £299 and this has an
active cup warmer, dose control (handy for the lazy like me!) and some
kind of "dual" heating system which promises instant steam...

hmm.

James

James Jeffrey wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Has anyone tried out the new Baby Twin and can you tell me if it's good?
> What does it retail for?
>
> The catalogue
> (http://www.gaggia.com/dam/bo/allegati/abcupload/254_92_babytwin.pdf,
> http://www.gaggia.com/macchine-da-caffe.asp?macchine-per-espresso-manuali_92_New-Baby-Twin)
> says it has a "dual heating system" and can provide near instant steam.
>
> Does this mean it has a different boiler system to the others? Is it
> thermoblock based instead of a boiler machine?
>
> thanks,
>
> James


  
Date: 12 Oct 2006 20:49:44
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Gaggia Baby Twin - new machine - any good?
On further consideration, I think the other posters are probably right and
the steam portion is a thermoblock, which does not bode well.

I'm not sure where you are getting your info on Silvia. There is no "dose
control" on the Silvia and no "instant steaming", not that you need any of
these features. "Dose control" on the Silvia means that you turn the pump
switch on and when thing there is enough coffee in your cup, you turn the
switch off. This works just fine for home use. "Dual" heating means there
is a single boiler with two thermostats. To brew, you leave a switch in one
position that kicks in the below-boiling thermostat so liquid water emerges
from the brew head when you turn the pump on. To steam, you put the switch
in the other position. The temperature of the boiler rises to above boiling
in a couple of minutes and then you open the steam wand and steam.



"James Jeffrey" <altcoffee@jgj.org.uk > wrote in message
news:R7-dnRUiUabTGrPYRVnyrQ@eclipse.net.uk...
> To part answer my own question - It's quite pricey. I've found an online
> retailer offering it for £270 - £50 ($95 US) more than the classic (which
> they were offering for £220, $400).
>
> Still, cheapest I've seen a Silvia for over here is £299 and this has an
> active cup warmer, dose control (handy for the lazy like me!) and some
> kind of "dual" heating system which promises instant steam...
>
> hmm.
>
> James
>
> James Jeffrey wrote:
>> Hey,
>>
>> Has anyone tried out the new Baby Twin and can you tell me if it's good?
>> What does it retail for?
>>
>> The catalogue
>> (http://www.gaggia.com/dam/bo/allegati/abcupload/254_92_babytwin.pdf,
>> http://www.gaggia.com/macchine-da-caffe.asp?macchine-per-espresso-manuali_92_New-Baby-Twin)
>> says it has a "dual heating system" and can provide near instant steam.
>>
>> Does this mean it has a different boiler system to the others? Is it
>> thermoblock based instead of a boiler machine?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> James




   
Date: 13 Oct 2006 08:28:52
From: James Jeffrey
Subject: Re: Gaggia Baby Twin - new machine - any good?
Sorry my post was badlyt formatted. The chapeast I've seen the Sylvia
for over here is ... and the Baby Twin has....

Jack Denver wrote:
> On further consideration, I think the other posters are probably right and
> the steam portion is a thermoblock, which does not bode well.
>
> I'm not sure where you are getting your info on Silvia. There is no "dose
> control" on the Silvia and no "instant steaming", not that you need any of
> these features. "Dose control" on the Silvia means that you turn the pump
> switch on and when thing there is enough coffee in your cup, you turn the
> switch off. This works just fine for home use. "Dual" heating means there
> is a single boiler with two thermostats. To brew, you leave a switch in one
> position that kicks in the below-boiling thermostat so liquid water emerges
> from the brew head when you turn the pump on. To steam, you put the switch
> in the other position. The temperature of the boiler rises to above boiling
> in a couple of minutes and then you open the steam wand and steam.
>
>
>
> "James Jeffrey" <altcoffee@jgj.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:R7-dnRUiUabTGrPYRVnyrQ@eclipse.net.uk...
>> To part answer my own question - It's quite pricey. I've found an online
>> retailer offering it for £270 - £50 ($95 US) more than the classic (which
>> they were offering for £220, $400).
>>
>> Still, cheapest I've seen a Silvia for over here is £299 and this has an
>> active cup warmer, dose control (handy for the lazy like me!) and some
>> kind of "dual" heating system which promises instant steam...
>>
>> hmm.
>>
>> James
>>
>> James Jeffrey wrote:
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried out the new Baby Twin and can you tell me if it's good?
>>> What does it retail for?
>>>
>>> The catalogue
>>> (http://www.gaggia.com/dam/bo/allegati/abcupload/254_92_babytwin.pdf,
>>> http://www.gaggia.com/macchine-da-caffe.asp?macchine-per-espresso-manuali_92_New-Baby-Twin)
>>> says it has a "dual heating system" and can provide near instant steam.
>>>
>>> Does this mean it has a different boiler system to the others? Is it
>>> thermoblock based instead of a boiler machine?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> James
>
>


    
Date: 13 Oct 2006 11:21:25
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Gaggia Baby Twin - new machine - any good?
Oh, I get it now. I mis-read your post the first time.

For 30ukp more, get the Silvia. BUT if you are on a budget, remember that
all the Gaggias have identical boilers, so that the cheapest models
(Espresso, Carrreza) will work just as well as the expensive ones. Don't
forget to budget for a good grinder (e.g. MDF).




"James Jeffrey" <altcoffee@jgj.org.uk > wrote in message
news:Yt2dnVj26LWo3bLYnZ2dnUVZ8sidnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> Sorry my post was badlyt formatted. The chapeast I've seen the Sylvia for
> over here is ... and the Baby Twin has....
>
> Jack Denver wrote:
>> On further consideration, I think the other posters are probably right
>> and the steam portion is a thermoblock, which does not bode well.
>>
>> I'm not sure where you are getting your info on Silvia. There is no "dose
>> control" on the Silvia and no "instant steaming", not that you need any
>> of these features. "Dose control" on the Silvia means that you turn the
>> pump switch on and when thing there is enough coffee in your cup, you
>> turn the switch off. This works just fine for home use. "Dual" heating
>> means there is a single boiler with two thermostats. To brew, you leave
>> a switch in one position that kicks in the below-boiling thermostat so
>> liquid water emerges from the brew head when you turn the pump on. To
>> steam, you put the switch in the other position. The temperature of the
>> boiler rises to above boiling in a couple of minutes and then you open
>> the steam wand and steam.
>>
>>
>>
>> "James Jeffrey" <altcoffee@jgj.org.uk> wrote in message
>> news:R7-dnRUiUabTGrPYRVnyrQ@eclipse.net.uk...
>>> To part answer my own question - It's quite pricey. I've found an online
>>> retailer offering it for £270 - £50 ($95 US) more than the classic
>>> (which they were offering for £220, $400).
>>>
>>> Still, cheapest I've seen a Silvia for over here is £299 and this has an
>>> active cup warmer, dose control (handy for the lazy like me!) and some
>>> kind of "dual" heating system which promises instant steam...
>>>
>>> hmm.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> James Jeffrey wrote:
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone tried out the new Baby Twin and can you tell me if it's
>>>> good? What does it retail for?
>>>>
>>>> The catalogue
>>>> (http://www.gaggia.com/dam/bo/allegati/abcupload/254_92_babytwin.pdf,
>>>> http://www.gaggia.com/macchine-da-caffe.asp?macchine-per-espresso-manuali_92_New-Baby-Twin)
>>>> says it has a "dual heating system" and can provide near instant steam.
>>>>
>>>> Does this mean it has a different boiler system to the others? Is it
>>>> thermoblock based instead of a boiler machine?
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> James
>>



 
Date: 12 Oct 2006 18:15:54
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Gaggia Baby Twin - new machine - any good?
James Jeffrey <altcoffee@jgj.org.uk > wrote in
news:BaqdndypO8Wa4rPYnZ2dnUVZ8tGdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk:

> Hey,
>
> Has anyone tried out the new Baby Twin and can you tell me if it's
> good? What does it retail for?
>
> The catalogue
> (http://www.gaggia.com/dam/bo/allegati/abcupload/254_92_babytwin.pdf,
> http://www.gaggia.com/macchine-da-caffe.asp?macchine-per-espresso-manua
> li_92_New-Baby-Twin) says it has a "dual heating system" and can
> provide near instant steam.
>
> Does this mean it has a different boiler system to the others? Is it
> thermoblock based instead of a boiler machine?
>
> thanks,
>
> James

Based solely on the size of the machine there must be a thermoblock
configuration for one or both needs. I hope not, because thermoblocks just
don't have the temp stability of a true boiler.

Robert (yuck!) Harmon
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Date: 12 Oct 2006 14:00:52
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Gaggia Baby Twin - new machine - any good?
I would guess from the name and description that this is a dual boiler
design (separate "twin" boilers each with their own heating elements
dedicated to steam and brew respectively). If this is true, it would likely
be a good machine. But I don't know for sure.



"James Jeffrey" <altcoffee@jgj.org.uk > wrote in message
news:BaqdndypO8Wa4rPYnZ2dnUVZ8tGdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> Hey,
>
> Has anyone tried out the new Baby Twin and can you tell me if it's good?
> What does it retail for?
>
> The catalogue
> (http://www.gaggia.com/dam/bo/allegati/abcupload/254_92_babytwin.pdf,
> http://www.gaggia.com/macchine-da-caffe.asp?macchine-per-espresso-manuali_92_New-Baby-Twin)
> says it has a "dual heating system" and can provide near instant steam.
>
> Does this mean it has a different boiler system to the others? Is it
> thermoblock based instead of a boiler machine?
>
> thanks,
>
> James