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Date: 18 Aug 2007 11:25:24
From: TerryR
Subject: Green coffee supplier
I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been buying from Sweet
Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse every time I
try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their site any longer.

Is there another green supplier that has the selection/quality/prices of
Sweet Maria's? It is only their site I am fed up with, their products are
first rate.

TerryR






 
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 08:13:19
From: k2
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
TerryR wrote:
> Is there another green supplier that has the selection/quality/prices of
> Sweet Maria's? It is only their site I am fed up with, their products are
> first rate.

Where are you located? I found that there were a few local suppliers
here in Portland OR so I could:
1) Support a local company and
2) forgo the shipping charges that I found ultimately ate up whatever
"savings" the online services provided.
<soapbox >
For those without such an alternative I apologize, and online services
may be your only recourse, but sometimes the best option is right in
front of us. Please support your local businesses whenever possible
before they're not.
</soapbox >




 
Date: 24 Aug 2007 07:34:26
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
On Aug 23, 1:28 pm, North Sullivan <northwri...@bluebottle.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:28:04 +0100, "Ken Wilson"
>
> <k...@kwilsonDEDUCT.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >But why did they call themselves "coffeemaria"?
>
> >I could assume no ulterior motive - but I tend not to with no contra
> >information.
>
> Coffeemaria is reportedly named after the business owner's wife.
> Coincidence it seems, as sweetmarias is also named after the business
> owner's wife.
>
> North Sullivan

This question has been asked a number of times over the years. If I
recall correctly, further research done at the time revealed that the
URLs were registered within months of each other, with SM, indeed,
having been first. When CM was registered, it was far too soon for
SweetMarias to have developed an online reputation worthy of
exploitation.



 
Date: 23 Aug 2007 07:29:27
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
On Aug 23, 6:53 am, Moka Java <rtwatc...@fishyahoo.com > wrote:
> Mike wrote:
> > On Aug 22, 9:07 am, Moka Java <rtwatc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Mike Hartigan wrote:
> >>> In article <qeGdnf8T9t8apFrbnZ2dnUVZ_tuon...@giganews.com>,
> >>> TerryRnos...@yahoo.com says...
> >>>> I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been buying from Sweet
> >>>> Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse every time I
> >>>> try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their site any longer.
> >>>> Is there another green supplier that has the selection/quality/prices of
> >>>> Sweet Maria's? It is only their site I am fed up with, their products are
> >>>> first rate.
> >>>> TerryR
> >>>http://www.coffeemaria.com/order_green.asp
> >>> The website is not as glitzy as SweetMarias, the coffee selection is
> >>> not as rich as SweetMarias, the reviews are not nearly as complete,
> >>> and, as far as I can tell, he sells no equipment. But Hans has just
> >>> about the best prices you'll find on the web for green beans.
> >> I'm not familiar with coffeemaria so can't comment on their quality.
> >> But if you're main objective is low price then beans is beans, might as
> >> well get c-contract.
>
> >> R "buy it by the tonne" TF
>
> > You said "I'm not familiar with coffeemaria so can't comment on their
> > quality," then you proceed to impugn their quality. A debating
> > strategy as clever as it is disingenuous, not to mention transparent.
> > Perhaps that's not how it was intended, but that's how it reads, IMO.
>
> > Low price does not necessarily equate to low quality - CoffeeMaria is
> > a good example. I *am* familiar with their beans, so I can, indeed,
> > comment on their quality. I've not found their beans to be inferior,
> > in any way, to the other better known suppliers - SweetMarias and
> > CoffeeBeanCorral included. Their service is also second to none, in
> > my experience. If price was the main objective, green Vietnamese
> > Robusta beans can be had for around $1/lb, sometimes with free
> > shipping. But I don't think that's what the OP had in mind.
>
> No sinister intent on my part. You prior post said "The website is not
> as glitzy as SweetMarias, the coffee selection is not as rich as
> SweetMarias, the reviews are not nearly as complete, and, as far as I
> can tell, he sells no equipment." The only positive you mentioned was
> low price. Now we know you have gotten good beans and good service. Great!
>
> R "just to be clear" TF

You're right - My post was apparently as lacking in clarity as I felt
your's was.
Good beans + good service + good prices = a valid alternative, IMO.



  
Date: 23 Aug 2007 18:28:04
From: Ken Wilson
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
But why did they call themselves "coffeemaria"?

I could assume no ulterior motive - but I tend not to with no contra
information.

And, if my assumption is true, that would be enough to stop me even wishing
to buy from them - because I am like that.

Ken




   
Date: 23 Aug 2007 13:28:19
From: North Sullivan
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:28:04 +0100, "Ken Wilson"
<ken@kwilsonDEDUCT.fsnet.co.uk > wrote:

>But why did they call themselves "coffeemaria"?
>
>I could assume no ulterior motive - but I tend not to with no contra
>information.
>
Coffeemaria is reportedly named after the business owner's wife.
Coincidence it seems, as sweetmarias is also named after the business
owner's wife.

North Sullivan


 
Date: 22 Aug 2007 08:31:52
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
On Aug 22, 9:07 am, Moka Java <rtwatc...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Mike Hartigan wrote:
> > In article <qeGdnf8T9t8apFrbnZ2dnUVZ_tuon...@giganews.com>,
> > TerryRnos...@yahoo.com says...
> >> I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been buying from Sweet
> >> Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse every time I
> >> try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their site any longer.
>
> >> Is there another green supplier that has the selection/quality/prices of
> >> Sweet Maria's? It is only their site I am fed up with, their products are
> >> first rate.
>
> >> TerryR
>
> >http://www.coffeemaria.com/order_green.asp
>
> > The website is not as glitzy as SweetMarias, the coffee selection is
> > not as rich as SweetMarias, the reviews are not nearly as complete,
> > and, as far as I can tell, he sells no equipment. But Hans has just
> > about the best prices you'll find on the web for green beans.
>
> I'm not familiar with coffeemaria so can't comment on their quality.
> But if you're main objective is low price then beans is beans, might as
> well get c-contract.
>
> R "buy it by the tonne" TF

You said "I'm not familiar with coffeemaria so can't comment on their
quality," then you proceed to impugn their quality. A debating
strategy as clever as it is disingenuous, not to mention transparent.
Perhaps that's not how it was intended, but that's how it reads, IMO.

Low price does not necessarily equate to low quality - CoffeeMaria is
a good example. I *am* familiar with their beans, so I can, indeed,
comment on their quality. I've not found their beans to be inferior,
in any way, to the other better known suppliers - SweetMarias and
CoffeeBeanCorral included. Their service is also second to none, in
my experience. If price was the main objective, green Vietnamese
Robusta beans can be had for around $1/lb, sometimes with free
shipping. But I don't think that's what the OP had in mind.



  
Date: 23 Aug 2007 07:53:18
From: Moka Java
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
Mike wrote:
> On Aug 22, 9:07 am, Moka Java <rtwatc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Mike Hartigan wrote:
>>> In article <qeGdnf8T9t8apFrbnZ2dnUVZ_tuon...@giganews.com>,
>>> TerryRnos...@yahoo.com says...
>>>> I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been buying from Sweet
>>>> Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse every time I
>>>> try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their site any longer.
>>>> Is there another green supplier that has the selection/quality/prices of
>>>> Sweet Maria's? It is only their site I am fed up with, their products are
>>>> first rate.
>>>> TerryR
>>> http://www.coffeemaria.com/order_green.asp
>>> The website is not as glitzy as SweetMarias, the coffee selection is
>>> not as rich as SweetMarias, the reviews are not nearly as complete,
>>> and, as far as I can tell, he sells no equipment. But Hans has just
>>> about the best prices you'll find on the web for green beans.
>> I'm not familiar with coffeemaria so can't comment on their quality.
>> But if you're main objective is low price then beans is beans, might as
>> well get c-contract.
>>
>> R "buy it by the tonne" TF
>
> You said "I'm not familiar with coffeemaria so can't comment on their
> quality," then you proceed to impugn their quality. A debating
> strategy as clever as it is disingenuous, not to mention transparent.
> Perhaps that's not how it was intended, but that's how it reads, IMO.
>
> Low price does not necessarily equate to low quality - CoffeeMaria is
> a good example. I *am* familiar with their beans, so I can, indeed,
> comment on their quality. I've not found their beans to be inferior,
> in any way, to the other better known suppliers - SweetMarias and
> CoffeeBeanCorral included. Their service is also second to none, in
> my experience. If price was the main objective, green Vietnamese
> Robusta beans can be had for around $1/lb, sometimes with free
> shipping. But I don't think that's what the OP had in mind.
>

No sinister intent on my part. You prior post said "The website is not
as glitzy as SweetMarias, the coffee selection is not as rich as
SweetMarias, the reviews are not nearly as complete, and, as far as I
can tell, he sells no equipment." The only positive you mentioned was
low price. Now we know you have gotten good beans and good service. Great!

R "just to be clear" TF


 
Date: 22 Aug 2007 06:47:42
From: Mike Hartigan
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
In article <qeGdnf8T9t8apFrbnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@giganews.com >,
TerryRnospam@yahoo.com says...
> I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been buying from Sweet
> Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse every time I
> try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their site any longer.
>
> Is there another green supplier that has the selection/quality/prices of
> Sweet Maria's? It is only their site I am fed up with, their products are
> first rate.
>
> TerryR

http://www.coffeemaria.com/order_green.asp

The website is not as glitzy as SweetMarias, the coffee selection is
not as rich as SweetMarias, the reviews are not nearly as complete,
and, as far as I can tell, he sells no equipment. But Hans has just
about the best prices you'll find on the web for green beans.

--
-Mike


  
Date: 22 Aug 2007 10:07:24
From: Moka Java
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
Mike Hartigan wrote:
> In article <qeGdnf8T9t8apFrbnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@giganews.com>,
> TerryRnospam@yahoo.com says...
>> I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been buying from Sweet
>> Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse every time I
>> try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their site any longer.
>>
>> Is there another green supplier that has the selection/quality/prices of
>> Sweet Maria's? It is only their site I am fed up with, their products are
>> first rate.
>>
>> TerryR
>
> http://www.coffeemaria.com/order_green.asp
>
> The website is not as glitzy as SweetMarias, the coffee selection is
> not as rich as SweetMarias, the reviews are not nearly as complete,
> and, as far as I can tell, he sells no equipment. But Hans has just
> about the best prices you'll find on the web for green beans.
>

I'm not familiar with coffeemaria so can't comment on their quality.
But if you're main objective is low price then beans is beans, might as
well get c-contract.

R "buy it by the tonne" TF


 
Date: 21 Aug 2007 05:23:27
From: dcrehr
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
I've successfully ordered a couple of times from morecoffee.com. Just
got my most recent shipment yesterday, in fact.

A pretty good selection plus the outstanding offer of free shipping
for orders over $59. That makes a big difference.

That said, I have never had a problem with the sweetmaria site. I
still order from them when they have something interesting (such as
the Panama Geshas now available).

DR





  
Date: 21 Aug 2007 08:08:17
From: beerboyfeelgood
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier

"dcrehr" <dcrehr@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1187699007.322467.186550@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> I've successfully ordered a couple of times from morecoffee.com. Just
> got my most recent shipment yesterday, in fact.
>
> A pretty good selection plus the outstanding offer of free shipping
> for orders over $59. That makes a big difference.
>
> That said, I have never had a problem with the sweetmaria site. I
> still order from them when they have something interesting (such as
> the Panama Geshas now available).
>
> DR

I've always had excellent service from Sweet Marias, and I actually enjoy
perusing their site. They include a lot of info on each and every item they
sell. As I am also a homebrewer, morecoffee.com is great. I like to order
from them when I am getting beer supplies. The free shipping really rocks
when you are getting a lot of stuff...

kev




 
Date: 20 Aug 2007 10:47:03
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:25:24 -0700, "TerryR" <TerryRnospam@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been buying from Sweet
>Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse every time I
>try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their site any longer.
>
>Is there another green supplier that has the selection/quality/prices of
>Sweet Maria's? It is only their site I am fed up with, their products are
>first rate.
>
>TerryR
>

Bald Mountain Coffee
http://www.baldmountaincoffee.com

The don't have anywhere near the hyperbole of SM, just fine coffee.

Also Green Coffee Buying Club for more esoteric green
http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/


 
Date: 19 Aug 2007 08:10:16
From: Travesso
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
I agree the site could be easier to purchase from, but I do not see
any changes that have made it harder.
I always just go to the bean list: http://sweetmarias.com/prod.greencoffee.mvc.shtml
and order of that sheet. If they had a more direct button that took
you there, that would be good.
I don't think I will use anyone besides them and my local roaster who
will sell green.



  
Date: 19 Aug 2007 18:33:54
From: Tom
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
I find that www.ccmcoffee.com has excellent prices and very quick service
from Florida. I have also used Sweet Maria's in the past and found them
extremely knowledgeable. However, the prices are very good at ccm so I
usually buy from them. Not as much selection but I like their Kenyan and
Ethiopian beans. To each his own.

Tom


"Travesso" <cpasoren@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1187536216.846453.252620@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>I agree the site could be easier to purchase from, but I do not see
> any changes that have made it harder.
> I always just go to the bean list:
> http://sweetmarias.com/prod.greencoffee.mvc.shtml
> and order of that sheet. If they had a more direct button that took
> you there, that would be good.
> I don't think I will use anyone besides them and my local roaster who
> will sell green.
>




 
Date: 19 Aug 2007 09:58:57
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
May be these comments will awaken SM to the speed, relaibility and
functionality problems with their site.

let us hope so.

dAVE
"TerryR" <TerryRnospam@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:qeGdnf8T9t8apFrbnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@giganews.com...
> I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been buying from Sweet
> Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse every time I
> try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their site any longer.
>
> Is there another green supplier that has the selection/quality/prices of
> Sweet Maria's? It is only their site I am fed up with, their products are
> first rate.
>
> TerryR
>




 
Date: 19 Aug 2007 13:00:19
From: Ed
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
I really like Coffee Bean Corral (I also order about equally from
Sweet Marias). Their prices and selection are good and I love their
Puna Moon.

http://www.coffeebeancorral.com/


Ed



  
Date: 19 Aug 2007 16:47:05
From: TerryR
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier

"Ed" <efaerman@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1187528419.160759.158350@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>I really like Coffee Bean Corral (I also order about equally from
> Sweet Marias). Their prices and selection are good and I love their
> Puna Moon.
>
> http://www.coffeebeancorral.com/
>
>
> Ed
>

I like their site but I can't find any "Puna Moon". My next order will be
from them.

TerryR




   
Date: 21 Aug 2007 09:58:09
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
"TerryR" <TerryRnospam@yahoo.com > wrote:



 
Date: 19 Aug 2007 11:14:05
From: Steven Cook
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:53:17 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:

> Randall Nortman wrote:
>>
>> So, putting your credit card number in an unencrypted email does not
>> constitute dropping your security?
>
> Compared to allowing software to execute on my machine for which I do
> not have source code and do not know what it does? Yes.

WOW! You send your credit details over the internet unencrypted? Do you
have the source code to Windows and IE?


 
Date: 18 Aug 2007 20:18:54
From: AyTee
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
On Aug 18, 11:25 am, "TerryR" <TerryRnos...@yahoo.com > wrote:
....
> Is there another green supplier that has the selection/quality/prices of
> Sweet Maria's?

No. Well, okay, I haven't tried them all, but the overall quality of
Sweet Maria's -- product, service, selection and coffee information
-- is the best I know of.

>It is only their site I am fed up with, their products are
> first rate.

It's been a month or 2 since I've ordered. What's the problem with
their site?

Andy



 
Date: 19 Aug 2007 02:57:26
From: BoldJava
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
On Aug 18, 1:25 pm, "TerryR" <TerryRnos...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. . . >>>

Give http://coffeeproject.com a look-see. Good assortment and I have
found the service excellent.

DB




 
Date: 18 Aug 2007 16:53:38
From: Godzilla
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
TerryR wrote:

> I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been buying from
> Sweet Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse
> every time I try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their
> site any longer.
>
> Is there another green supplier that has the
> selection/quality/prices of Sweet Maria's? It is only their site I
> am fed up with, their products are first rate.
>
> TerryR

Burmancoffee.com has nice beans and prices and first class service.
However, you will be hard pressed to find as great a selection and
exhaustive descriptions as Sweet Maria's anywhere else.

HTH

Godzilla


 
Date: 18 Aug 2007 21:29:04
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
On Aug 18, 2:25 pm, "TerryR" <TerryRnos...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been buying from Sweet
> Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse every time I
> try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their site any longer.
>


and the PHONE number is, well, rather hard to locate.

dave
877 286 2833



  
Date: 18 Aug 2007 18:54:02
From: Mark Thorson
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
lockjaw wrote:
>
> and the PHONE number is, well, rather hard to locate.
>
> dave
> 877 286 2833

They make it clear on the web site that
they do not take phone orders.


   
Date: 20 Aug 2007 00:10:07
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:54:02 -0700, Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net >
wrote:

>lockjaw wrote:
>>
>> and the PHONE number is, well, rather hard to locate.
>>
>> dave
>> 877 286 2833
>
>They make it clear on the web site that
>they do not take phone orders.

Don't confuse Dave with facts.
It makes him dizzy.


 
Date: 18 Aug 2007 14:16:19
From: Mark Thorson
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
TerryR wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been buying from Sweet
> Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse every time I
> try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their site any longer.

I've never ordered through their site.
I refuse to accept cookies, run IE,
or whatever other hoops are necessary
to make it work. I need my computer
for work, and I'm not going to drop
security just to order some coffee.

I use their site to decide what I
want, then send them an e-mail at
orders@sweetmarias.com

The service is always quick, and
although they've gotten my order
wrong a couple of times, that could
have happened without regard to how
I placed the order.

I like some of the recent changes
in the site. They are now indicating
stocking level, so if something I
really want is running low, I at least
have a warning to get my act in gear
and order some more right away.


  
Date: 18 Aug 2007 22:43:29
From: Randall Nortman
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
On 2007-08-18, Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net > wrote:
> TerryR wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been buying from Sweet
>> Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse every time I
>> try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their site any longer.
>
> I've never ordered through their site.
> I refuse to accept cookies, run IE,
> or whatever other hoops are necessary
> to make it work. I need my computer
> for work, and I'm not going to drop
> security just to order some coffee.

I use Firefox configured to accept session cookies only. I've never
had a problem with their site, except for some quirks with the
shipping calculator when they did an upgrade last month, which now
seems to be fixed. No need to compromise security.

Now, I will admit, the overall ease of use of the site could
definitely be improved. I think it is especially difficult for
newbies to navigate, but once you learn the quirks, it is reasonably
efficient.


> I use their site to decide what I
> want, then send them an e-mail at
> orders@sweetmarias.com

So, putting your credit card number in an unencrypted email does not
constitute dropping your security?

--
Randall


   
Date: 18 Aug 2007 18:53:17
From: Mark Thorson
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
Randall Nortman wrote:
>
> So, putting your credit card number in an unencrypted email
> does not constitute dropping your security?

Compared to allowing software to execute on my machine
for which I do not have source code and do not know
what it does? Yes.


    
Date: 19 Aug 2007 11:58:29
From: Randall Nortman
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
On 2007-08-19, Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net > wrote:
> Randall Nortman wrote:
>>
>> So, putting your credit card number in an unencrypted email
>> does not constitute dropping your security?
>
> Compared to allowing software to execute on my machine
> for which I do not have source code and do not know
> what it does? Yes.

What code are you talking about? JavaScript? You always have the
source to JavaScript downloaded by your browser, though it may be
obfuscated. As I said, IE is not required to use sweetmarias.com -- I
use Firefox, an opensource browser. Feel free to download the source,
peruse it, and compile it yourself. I happen to run FF on Linux, for
which I also have source, but it also runs on Windows if you're
satisfied with the security of Windows.

This is getting pretty off-topic.

--
Randall


 
Date: 18 Aug 2007 10:09:42
From:
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:25:24 -0700, "TerryR" <TerryRnospam@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been buying from Sweet
>Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse every time I
>try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their site any longer.
>
>Is there another green supplier that has the selection/quality/prices of
>Sweet Maria's? It is only their site I am fed up with, their products are
>first rate.
>
>TerryR
>
Barry Jarret of Riley's Coffee & Fudge comes to mind.

aloha,
Cea
roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona


 
Date: 18 Aug 2007 13:38:16
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Green coffee supplier
"TerryR" <TerryRnospam@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:qeGdnf8T9t8apFrbnZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@giganews.com...
> I'm looking for a new green coffee supplier. I have been
buying from Sweet
> Maria's for several years but their web site is getting worse every time I
> try to use it. I just don't want to deal with their site any longer.
>
> Is there another green supplier that has the selection/quality/prices of
> Sweet Maria's? It is only their site I am fed up with, their products are
> first rate.
>
> TerryR
>

Paradise roasters has a nice green selection, but prices can be a bit steep.
Klatch roasting also has some nice green beans available.

The green coffee coop does not "stock" beans as it were, and hence much of
the time if you go to their site they have nothing for sale. If you are
patient some really nice coffees come through and if you can snag them, the
prices are hard to beat. Cupping notes for the coffees for sale at the coop
come from Bob Yellin, who is one of the two tasters for coffeecuppers.com,
and who has an excellent palatte.

ken