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Date: 19 Nov 2006 07:43:36
From: Deggy
Subject: Grinders: Iberital, Innova or Gaggia.. Oh My!!
Hi,
I'm in a real pickle trying to choose my new grinder. I'm moving up
from my modded Solis as the burrs are showing serious wear due to
occasional knocking and my espresso shots are now way off - it was only
a starter grinder anyway but I have been very happy with it over the
last two years.

Until a few days ago I was set on the Gaggia MDF but now i'm torn and
just cannot make a decision between the MDF, the Iberital MC2 and
possibly the Innova i2.

On cost the Iberital wins, at =A3105. It's stepless, which gives it a
small edge over the MDF but has conical burrs (like the Innova, while
the MDF has flats) and feels like a bargain.

The MDF takes the middle ground at =A3120, I like the idea of flat
burrs but little else and I hate the styling.

I've only just though of the Innova, which is =A3160, and has the same
burrs as the Iberital but runs faster (hotter?) and I have the feeling
that over the Iberital i'd be paying a lot for styling and little else.

I want to use the grinder for Espresso only drinking a couple of
doubles a day. (the Solis will be kept for the vac-pot and press-pot)
and i'm usually drinking home-roasted HasBean beans. It'll be teamed-up
with a PIDd Gaggia Coffee - domestic equipment being competently used.

One other question - I'll be grinding fresh and don't want to waste
too much coffee. What's opinion like concerning dosers or doserless?
How accurate is timed grinding? (I removed the timer on the Solis,
fitted a switch and measured into the hopper before I ground). I like
the idea of less mess with a doser and a known dose but wonder if
doserless direct into the portafilter would be a more sensible option
for light use.

Please help. I'm probably 75% for the Iberital at the moment but this
purchase is 'it' so to speak, and on my budget it needs to be the right
decision.

Thanks for any words
Dan





 
Date: 21 Nov 2006 06:19:08
From: Deggy
Subject: Re: Grinders: Iberital, Innova or Gaggia.. Oh My!!
I'm now down to two choices..

The Iberital MC2 because it's got stepless adjustment (I'm grinding
for Espresso only).

The Gaggia MDF because of the flat burrs.

From what I read although the Iberital has conical burrs they are
still very good and produce excellent results so I think that a
stepless grind is (for me) more of a winner over the flat burrs.

They're within =A315 in price.

Which would you buy??



  
Date: 21 Nov 2006 18:54:37
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Grinders: Iberital, Innova or Gaggia.. Oh My!!
Deggy wrote:
> I'm now down to two choices..
>
> The Iberital MC2 because it's got stepless adjustment (I'm grinding
> for Espresso only).
>
> The Gaggia MDF because of the flat burrs.
>
> From what I read although the Iberital has conical burrs they are
> still very good and produce excellent results so I think that a
> stepless grind is (for me) more of a winner over the flat burrs.
>
> They're within 15 in price.
>
> Which would you buy??
>

Conical burrs should be superior to flat burrs (or, good quality burrs
should be). Due to usually slower rotation speed.

Either grinder is fine. I used an Iberital for a while and it was
great for espresso. MDF has too few indentations (adjustments),
compared to better grinders. Provided espresso is the only
requirement (no moving between grind settings), Iberital is good, at
the right price.

Preference here is for a doser....

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)



 
Date: 19 Nov 2006 16:29:55
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Grinders: Iberital, Innova or Gaggia.. Oh My!!
I have the MDF, which I bought to use with my Gaggia Coffee [traded the
Coffee for a Silvia about a month ago]. It has been fine for the past two
years. I wouldn't buy a doserless grinder. I measure the correct amount of
beans into the hopper, grind, and work the doser lever until the PF is
filled. Very little mess that way. I have a double shot each morning and
sometimes another in the late evening. I never make milk drinks. During
cleanup, I work the doser lever in case there are grounds remaining, but
there are seldom enough left over to be concerned about. While a "6"
setting is generally right, it will move between "5" and "7" as the humidity
changes. I do wish it were stainless steel to match Silvia, though.

"Deggy" <dangrayorg@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1163951016.333597.83180@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Until a few days ago I was set on the Gaggia MDF but now i'm torn and
just cannot make a decision between the MDF, the Iberital MC2 and
possibly the Innova i2.
One other question - I'll be grinding fresh and don't want to waste
too much coffee. What's opinion like concerning dosers or doserless?
How accurate is timed grinding? (I removed the timer on the Solis,
fitted a switch and measured into the hopper before I ground). I like
the idea of less mess with a doser and a known dose but wonder if
doserless direct into the portafilter would be a more sensible option
for light use. Thanks for any words
Dan




  
Date: 20 Nov 2006 10:15:49
From: Matt Benson
Subject: Re: Grinders: Iberital, Innova or Gaggia.. Oh My!!
FWIW There are a few MDF's on ebay for 99 at the moment.

Matt




 
Date: 19 Nov 2006 12:12:17
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Grinders: Iberital, Innova or Gaggia.. Oh My!!
On 2006-11-19, Deggy <dangrayorg@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> Please help. I'm probably 75% for the Iberital at the moment but this
> purchase is 'it' so to speak, and on my budget it needs to be the right
> decision.

I have an Iberital auto (doserless) grinder. A couple things you
should consider. If you're grinding ONLY for espresso, the infinite
grind adjust is great. You can really tweak that grind right in
there. But, if you're going to be grinding for both espresso and drip
or press coffee, this grinder is a poor choice. It takes forever to
adjust from fine to med to course grind. So much so, you'll be
looking for a second grinder in no time (yes, I have a second
grinder). Also, consider the downside of the doserless model. While
the electronic timer and bean hopper are fine, the erratic size and
shape of beans will always determine the speed of the feed and
therefor the dose. You will always get a variation per period of
time. Also, since you will set the timer to always get an overdose,
where do your put the excess grounds after leveling the basket? You
can't put them back into the doser for the next shot. My next grinder
will have a doser.

Here's some alternatives to the Iberital. Scroll down to the "Lux,
Innova Conical (USA), La Pavoni PB (USA), Iberital, Isomac..."
section:

http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/september2002.html

nb


  
Date: 21 Nov 2006 06:19:22
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Grinders: Iberital, Innova or Gaggia.. Oh My!!
On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:12:17 -0600, notbob <notbob@nothome.com > wrote:

>where do your put the excess grounds after leveling the basket?

The knock box?

Grounds that have sat about for only a few, as in less than 5, minutes
are past their prime


 
Date: 19 Nov 2006 08:49:13
From: Hafod
Subject: Re: Grinders: Iberital, Innova or Gaggia.. Oh My!!


Hi, I've got the Ibertal, not sure which model, but cost around =A3115
and has conical burrs, so I guess the same one. It's been fine, but
will occasinally struggle with larger beans, so I bought a Zassenhaus
to compliment it.

It is doserless and I've found the timer to work fine, reasonably
accurate. It can be a bit messy though, as if static is causing the
ground coffee to spread in an arc from the exit tube. This seems to
vary depending on coffee/weather/which leg I'm standing on. I've tried
to "earth" the plastic but it seemed to have no effect.

Hope this helps,=20

Wyn



 
Date: 19 Nov 2006 16:43:14
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Grinders: Iberital, Innova or Gaggia.. Oh My!!
Forget about the cost : The difference between your hi and low is less
than 15p a day for a year. Get the best bleeding grinder for the job.

On 19 Nov 2006 07:43:36 -0800, "Deggy" <dangrayorg@gmail.com > wrote:

>Hi,
> I'm in a real pickle trying to choose my new grinder. I'm moving up
>from my modded Solis as the burrs are showing serious wear due to
>occasional knocking and my espresso shots are now way off - it was only
>a starter grinder anyway but I have been very happy with it over the
>last two years.
>
> Until a few days ago I was set on the Gaggia MDF but now i'm torn and
>just cannot make a decision between the MDF, the Iberital MC2 and
>possibly the Innova i2.
>
> On cost the Iberital wins, at 105. It's stepless, which gives it a
>small edge over the MDF but has conical burrs (like the Innova, while
>the MDF has flats) and feels like a bargain.
>
> The MDF takes the middle ground at 120, I like the idea of flat
>burrs but little else and I hate the styling.
>
> I've only just though of the Innova, which is 160, and has the same
>burrs as the Iberital but runs faster (hotter?) and I have the feeling
>that over the Iberital i'd be paying a lot for styling and little else.
>
> I want to use the grinder for Espresso only drinking a couple of
>doubles a day. (the Solis will be kept for the vac-pot and press-pot)
>and i'm usually drinking home-roasted HasBean beans. It'll be teamed-up
>with a PIDd Gaggia Coffee - domestic equipment being competently used.
>
> One other question - I'll be grinding fresh and don't want to waste
>too much coffee. What's opinion like concerning dosers or doserless?
>How accurate is timed grinding? (I removed the timer on the Solis,
>fitted a switch and measured into the hopper before I ground). I like
>the idea of less mess with a doser and a known dose but wonder if
>doserless direct into the portafilter would be a more sensible option
>for light use.
>
> Please help. I'm probably 75% for the Iberital at the moment but this
>purchase is 'it' so to speak, and on my budget it needs to be the right
>decision.
>
> Thanks for any words
> Dan


 
Date: 19 Nov 2006 10:24:04
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Grinders: Iberital, Innova or Gaggia.. Oh My!!
In article <1163951016.333597.83180@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >,
"Deggy" <dangrayorg@gmail.com > wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm in a real pickle trying to choose my new grinder. I'm moving up
> from my modded Solis as the burrs are showing serious wear due to
> occasional knocking and my espresso shots are now way off - it was only
> a starter grinder anyway but I have been very happy with it over the
> last two years.
>
> Until a few days ago I was set on the Gaggia MDF but now i'm torn and
> just cannot make a decision between the MDF, the Iberital MC2 and
> possibly the Innova i2.
>
> On cost the Iberital wins, at 105. It's stepless, which gives it a
> small edge over the MDF but has conical burrs (like the Innova, while
> the MDF has flats) and feels like a bargain.
>
> The MDF takes the middle ground at 120, I like the idea of flat
> burrs but little else and I hate the styling.
>
> I've only just though of the Innova, which is 160, and has the same
> burrs as the Iberital but runs faster (hotter?) and I have the feeling
> that over the Iberital i'd be paying a lot for styling and little else.
>
> I want to use the grinder for Espresso only drinking a couple of
> doubles a day. (the Solis will be kept for the vac-pot and press-pot)
> and i'm usually drinking home-roasted HasBean beans. It'll be teamed-up
> with a PIDd Gaggia Coffee - domestic equipment being competently used.
>
> One other question - I'll be grinding fresh and don't want to waste
> too much coffee. What's opinion like concerning dosers or doserless?
> How accurate is timed grinding? (I removed the timer on the Solis,
> fitted a switch and measured into the hopper before I ground). I like
> the idea of less mess with a doser and a known dose but wonder if
> doserless direct into the portafilter would be a more sensible option
> for light use.
>
> Please help. I'm probably 75% for the Iberital at the moment but this
> purchase is 'it' so to speak, and on my budget it needs to be the right
> decision.
>
> Thanks for any words
> Dan

I have the MDF. When I was looking, I thought that it was a very good
grinder for the money, but wondered about the doser also.

I found out quickly that the doser just isn't a problem. I measure the
beans going in and grind them all into the doser. A few thwacks with
the doser handle and all grounds are in the pf. Little mess, and almost
zero wasted coffee.

For me, most beans are 2 spoons (the one that came with the Silvia) full
but not overfull are just the right amount.


 
Date: 19 Nov 2006 07:58:20
From: Deggy
Subject: Re: Grinders: Iberital, Innova or Gaggia.. Oh My!!
Or a Cunill Tranquilo for =A3115 from Andrew Porter. -- AArggh, too
much choice.