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Date: 07 Jun 2007 21:06:57
From: wolfman
Subject: Growing your own coffee
Hello,

I am growing Arabica coffee here in thailand. I see a website selling
Kona Coffee seeds. If I get these seeds and grow them here in thailand
will I end up with a better coffee or something close to the coffee
grown in the Kona belt in hawaii ? Any ideas on this from someone in
the know ???





 
Date: 09 Jun 2007 12:52:56
From: Travesso
Subject: Re: Growing your own coffee
On Jun 8, 12:06 am, wolfman <laedeketrad...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am growing Arabica coffee here in thailand. I see a website selling
> Kona Coffee seeds. If I get these seeds and grow them here in thailand
> will I end up with a better coffee or something close to the coffee
> grown in the Kona belt in hawaii ? Any ideas on this from someone in
> the know ???

How is the selling of your current Arabica going?



 
Date: 08 Jun 2007 07:36:20
From: Dan Bollinger
Subject: Re: Growing your own coffee
> Hello,
>
> I am growing Arabica coffee here in thailand. I see a website selling
> Kona Coffee seeds. If I get these seeds and grow them here in thailand
> will I end up with a better coffee or something close to the coffee
> grown in the Kona belt in hawaii ? Any ideas on this from someone in
> the know ???

It's a common mistake. Some people believe the coffee varietal is derived from
the region, but it is not. Even wikipedia has it wrong. They confuse region (or
terrior) with varietal, which are sub-species. Yellow Bourbon and Typica are
varietals. Kona and Kenya are regions. Both may grow the same varietals, a
mixture, or different ones. Similarly, Thailand is not a coffee varietal, it is
a coffee growing region.

What you need to do is identify and compare the varietal in your orchard, the
Kona you are interested in, and what other growers in Thailand are having
success with.

Dan



  
Date: 08 Jun 2007 07:44:48
From: Dan Bollinger
Subject: Re: Growing your own coffee
> What you need to do is identify and compare the varietal in your orchard, the
> Kona you are interested in, and what other growers in Thailand are having
> success with.

I did a little research for you. Typica is the varietal that is the most popular
in the Kona region of the big island of Hawaii, State of Hawaii. It is on the
western side of the island and the orchards are inland. While on Kauai, 80% of
trees are the Catuai varietal.




   
Date: 08 Jun 2007 12:49:35
From:
Subject: Re: Growing your own coffee
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:44:48 -0500, "Dan Bollinger"
<danNObollinger@insightSPAMbb.com > wrote:

>> What you need to do is identify and compare the varietal in your orchard, the
>> Kona you are interested in, and what other growers in Thailand are having
>> success with.
>
>I did a little research for you. Typica is the varietal that is the most popular
>in the Kona region of the big island of Hawaii, State of Hawaii. It is on the
>western side of the island and the orchards are inland. While on Kauai, 80% of
>trees are the Catuai varietal.
>
One last bit of info on Kona and Kauai. Kauai is totally different
from Kona. There are several varieties growing on Kauai, one is
Catuai etc.,and I think caturra too. But they are growing on former
sugar lands on Kauai with a leeward exposure that is far less mild
than ours. The reason those 2 varieties were chosen is that all of
that enormous acreage of Kauai coffee is mechanically, harvested,
mechanically pruned ad dried etc. It is a whole other world from
Kona which is pretty much hands on - hand picked, hand pruned and sun
dried with hands moving:) the drying coffee around.

Besides the two coffees beginning with the letter "K" (Kona and Kauai)
and besides both being coffee, they are worlds apart.

aloha,
Cea
roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona


   
Date: 08 Jun 2007 05:59:00
From:
Subject: Re: Growing your own coffee
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:44:48 -0500, "Dan Bollinger"
<danNObollinger@insightSPAMbb.com > wrote:

>> What you need to do is identify and compare the varietal in your orchard, the
>> Kona you are interested in, and what other growers in Thailand are having
>> success with.
>
>I did a little research for you. Typica is the varietal that is the most popular
>in the Kona region of the big island of Hawaii, State of Hawaii. It is on the
>western side of the island and the orchards are inland. While on Kauai, 80% of
>trees are the Catuai varietal.
>

We grow heritage Kona coffee as in our coffee plants out the door have
been on this land for over 100 years! It is Typica that was brought
from Guatemala. Other kinds of coffee grow in Kona as well, but you
can spot them quickly. Typica is the supreme one, the heritage Kona
coffee.

Soil has a lot to do with the flavor of the coffee as another poster
pointed out. Also we in Kona have a microclimate that gives us rainy
summers for the growing season which is now, and a dry cooler harvest
season.

I don't know much about Thailand except I think it is much warmer than
Hawaii.

If you just want to grow a coffee plant, do as Dan suggests. See what
grows there and do the same. If you want an indoor Kona Coffee Typica
plant, you might be able to do that if you have a slightly green
thumb. Just replicate our weather and sunlight..

aloha,
Cea
roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona


    
Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:32:55
From: Dan Bollinger
Subject: Re: Growing your own coffee
> aloha,
> Cea

Thanks, Cea, I knew the Typica came from Guat. and I think it is called Kona
Typica now. Perhaps over the years it has changed from the original.

Say, has that little sugar plantation steam engine been repaired after its
accident with the dump truck?

Dan



     
Date: 09 Jun 2007 06:15:21
From:
Subject: Re: Growing your own coffee
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:32:55 -0500, "Dan Bollinger"
<danNObollinger@insightSPAMbb.com > wrote:

>> aloha,
>> Cea
>
>Thanks, Cea, I knew the Typica came from Guat. and I think it is called Kona
>Typica now. Perhaps over the years it has changed from the original.
>
>Say, has that little sugar plantation steam engine been repaired after its
>accident with the dump truck?
>
>Dan
You know Dan, I am sorry but I don't remember the accident. Any more
facts?

aloha,
Cea
roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona


     
Date: 08 Jun 2007 22:45:27
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Growing your own coffee
In <2aSdncKcuefQevTbnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@insightbb.com >, on Fri, 8 Jun 2007
19:32:55 -0500, Dan Bollinger wrote:

> Thanks, Cea, I knew the Typica came from Guat. and I think it is called Kona
> Typica now. Perhaps over the years it has changed from the original.

There was a link a while back to a story on genetic
testing of coffee for origin... apparently coffee DNA
mutates in surprisingly short order with markers
indicating where it was grown.


      
Date: 08 Jun 2007 18:44:00
From:
Subject: Re: Growing your own coffee
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:45:27 -0400, Steve Ackman
<steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote:

>In <2aSdncKcuefQevTbnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@insightbb.com>, on Fri, 8 Jun 2007
>19:32:55 -0500, Dan Bollinger wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Cea, I knew the Typica came from Guat. and I think it is called Kona
>> Typica now. Perhaps over the years it has changed from the original.
>
> There was a link a while back to a story on genetic
>testing of coffee for origin... apparently coffee DNA
>mutates in surprisingly short order with markers
>indicating where it was grown.
I am not sure. Year ago, 1996, when Kona coffee was found to be
de-frauded, numerous scientists approached us to ask for samples to
eventually determine the DNA of Kona. Not one of them, in the last 11
years has ever come back with a definitive DNA. Just my experience
Steve.

aloha,
Cea
roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona


       
Date: 09 Jun 2007 08:26:40
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Growing your own coffee


        
Date: 09 Jun 2007 06:06:59
From:
Subject: Re: Growing your own coffee
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 08:26:40 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D.
Ross) wrote:

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Date: 08 Jun 2007 08:36:29
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Growing your own coffee