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Date: 12 Jan 2007 13:38:40
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Subject: Help! Stripped screw in my Carezza shower disc head
The screw holding my shower disc head is damaged and can't be removed.
I wanted to take it off because my shots have been sparsely crema'd
lately and I wanted to see if there was any gunk up there. I've
already wasted a few days trying to get it off (via Grabbit damaged
screw remover). Is it really necessary to remove it, though? Are
sudden poor shots the symptoms of scaling, and if so, can't I just
descale through the steaming wand (FYI, I did just descale a week ago,
but perhaps it's been so long since my first ever descaling that I need
two goes?). There may be gunk underneath, but the water coming through
looks crystal clear. Any advice? Or other creative ideas on how I can
get around the stripped screw problem?





 
Date: 18 Jan 2007 18:51:36
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Help! Stripped screw in my Carezza shower disc head
all good advice but

don't worry about the shower screen, just get a new one for $5.

dave



 
Date: 18 Jan 2007 18:37:00
From: chardinej
Subject: Re: Help! Stripped screw in my Carezza shower disc head

pigsarse29@gmail.com wrote:
> I have the same problem, I need to replace the Carezza gasket as the
> water flows around the side of the basket, but I used a philips
> screwdriver and it stripped the screw, now I am left with a round hole
> in the middle of the screw.
>
> I can't drill it because the carezza design doesn't give much room to
> move between the showerscreen and driptray.
>
> Any ideas before I throw the machine out? :(
>

I would empty the machine and turn upside down. The dremel chop discs
are about 1" in diameter and so it would be easy to get in there with
this tool. Carefully cut a grove across the screw head as deep as you
can go without damaging the shower screen and wide enough to take a
slot-head screw driver. The groove will be deeper in the middle due to
the cutting tool being round. A short handled slot-head screw driver
should finish the job. Protect the shower head with some Vaseline so
that metal bits and chop disc material doesn't pass through and into
the group head. This can be washed off afterwards. I've never done this
on a coffee machine but I'm am motorcycle mechanic and this is what I
would do to remove a Phillips screw on a bike.



 
Date: 18 Jan 2007 16:56:47
From:
Subject: Re: Help! Stripped screw in my Carezza shower disc head
I meant to say, I am unsure about filing out a new groove due to
possibly damaging the screen...



 
Date: 18 Jan 2007 16:55:46
From:
Subject: Re: Help! Stripped screw in my Carezza shower disc head
I have the same problem, I need to replace the Carezza gasket as the
water flows around the side of the basket, but I used a philips
screwdriver and it stripped the screw, now I am left with a round hole
in the middle of the screw.

I can't drill it because the carezza design doesn't give much room to
move between the showerscreen and driptray.

Any ideas before I throw the machine out? :(


chardinej wrote:

> scruffingg@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Ah, Dremel tool. I've heard about the cutting a new groove tip, but
> > noboy's ever mentioned with what. It sounds like the most promising
> > route. Thanks.
>
> Dremel make small chop or cutting wheels that will nicely clear out a
> groove in a screw head. Be careful not to damage your shower screen in
> the process.



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 12:12:45
From: chardinej
Subject: Re: Help! Stripped screw in my Carezza shower disc head
scruffingg@yahoo.com wrote:
> Ah, Dremel tool. I've heard about the cutting a new groove tip, but
> noboy's ever mentioned with what. It sounds like the most promising
> route. Thanks.

Dremel make small chop or cutting wheels that will nicely clear out a
groove in a screw head. Be careful not to damage your shower screen in
the process.



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 08:35:17
From:
Subject: Re: Help! Stripped screw in my Carezza shower disc head
Ah, Dremel tool. I've heard about the cutting a new groove tip, but
noboy's ever mentioned with what. It sounds like the most promising
route. Thanks.

chardinej wrote:
> It sounds like you have damaged the head of the screw. What type of
> screw is it- Phillips, flat head? If its a Phillips cross-shaped head
> then sometimes they are difficult to budge because the wrong screw
> driver is used. There is a variety of depths and sizes of Phillips
> screwdrivers and I would recommend trying a different one that may grab
> the screw better. Also heating the group head up may aid in loosening
> the screw. If your "Grabbit" dohicky has damaged the head of the screw
> then you can cut new groves in the head to take a screwdriver using a
> Dremel tool. I would cut one groove across the screw head and use a
> nice big flat-head screwdriver.
>
> The "gunk" you mention behind the shower head will be made of coffee
> oils and stale grounds etc and is likely not scale. The gunk is removed
> with a soap like Cafiza or TSP, NOT a descaler. I do this once a week
> during regular backflushing on my machine. Scale is insoluable minerals
> from the water you use and is removed with a mild acid (descaler). A
> dirty shower head will impart a stale flavour to the coffee and may
> well affect crema production as well, especially if you have never
> cleaned back there.
>
> John



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 06:05:34
From: chardinej
Subject: Re: Help! Stripped screw in my Carezza shower disc head

Barry Jarrett wrote:
> On 12 Jan 2007 16:33:45 -0800, "chardinej" <chardine@nbnet.nb.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >during regular backflushing on my machine. Scale is insoluable minerals
> >from the water you use and is removed with a mild acid (descaler).
>
> just a nit: scale isn't insoluable, or else the acidic descaler
> wouldn't dissolve it.
>
> ;)

Good nit Barry. Of course I meant insoluable in water but it's too late
now.

John



 
Date: 12 Jan 2007 16:33:45
From: chardinej
Subject: Re: Help! Stripped screw in my Carezza shower disc head
scruffi...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The screw holding my shower disc head is damaged and can't be removed.
> I wanted to take it off because my shots have been sparsely crema'd
> lately and I wanted to see if there was any gunk up there. I've
> already wasted a few days trying to get it off (via Grabbit damaged
> screw remover). Is it really necessary to remove it, though? Are
> sudden poor shots the symptoms of scaling, and if so, can't I just
> descale through the steaming wand (FYI, I did just descale a week ago,
> but perhaps it's been so long since my first ever descaling that I need
> two goes?). There may be gunk underneath, but the water coming through
> looks crystal clear. Any advice? Or other creative ideas on how I can
> get around the stripped screw problem?

It sounds like you have damaged the head of the screw. What type of
screw is it- Phillips, flat head? If its a Phillips cross-shaped head
then sometimes they are difficult to budge because the wrong screw
driver is used. There is a variety of depths and sizes of Phillips
screwdrivers and I would recommend trying a different one that may grab
the screw better. Also heating the group head up may aid in loosening
the screw. If your "Grabbit" dohicky has damaged the head of the screw
then you can cut new groves in the head to take a screwdriver using a
Dremel tool. I would cut one groove across the screw head and use a
nice big flat-head screwdriver.

The "gunk" you mention behind the shower head will be made of coffee
oils and stale grounds etc and is likely not scale. The gunk is removed
with a soap like Cafiza or TSP, NOT a descaler. I do this once a week
during regular backflushing on my machine. Scale is insoluable minerals
from the water you use and is removed with a mild acid (descaler). A
dirty shower head will impart a stale flavour to the coffee and may
well affect crema production as well, especially if you have never
cleaned back there.

John



  
Date: 13 Jan 2007 04:51:24
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Help! Stripped screw in my Carezza shower disc head
On 12 Jan 2007 16:33:45 -0800, "chardinej" <chardine@nbnet.nb.ca >
wrote:

>during regular backflushing on my machine. Scale is insoluable minerals
>from the water you use and is removed with a mild acid (descaler).

just a nit: scale isn't insoluable, or else the acidic descaler
wouldn't dissolve it.

;)



   
Date: 13 Jan 2007 10:56:14
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Help! Stripped screw in my Carezza shower disc head
In <49pgq2l7uovjnjb4umvngb7j6ms98lldrc@4ax.com >, on Sat, 13 Jan 2007
04:51:24 GMT, Barry Jarrett wrote:
> On 12 Jan 2007 16:33:45 -0800, "chardinej" <chardine@nbnet.nb.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >during regular backflushing on my machine. Scale is insoluable minerals
> >from the water you use and is removed with a mild acid (descaler).
>
> just a nit: scale isn't insoluable, or else the acidic descaler
> wouldn't dissolve it.
>
> ;)

Oh goodie. Nits. :-)

Acidic descalers don't dissolve scale. They react
with it such that the resultants are soluble (and/or
gaseous even).

As airflow removes logs from my woodstove, acid
removes scale from a boiler. I hardly have a solution
of air and wood going up my chimney. ;-)


    
Date: 13 Jan 2007 22:03:13
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Help! Stripped screw in my Carezza shower disc head

damn pesky nits.... always biting me in the ass!


;)



 
Date: 13 Jan 2007 00:18:21
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Help! Stripped screw in my Carezza shower disc head
Drill it out & use an Easy Out screw remover.

<scruffingg@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1168637920.265044.148380@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> The screw holding my shower disc head is damaged and can't be removed.
> I wanted to take it off because my shots have been sparsely crema'd
> lately and I wanted to see if there was any gunk up there. I've
> already wasted a few days trying to get it off (via Grabbit damaged
> screw remover). Is it really necessary to remove it, though? Are
> sudden poor shots the symptoms of scaling, and if so, can't I just
> descale through the steaming wand (FYI, I did just descale a week ago,
> but perhaps it's been so long since my first ever descaling that I need
> two goes?). There may be gunk underneath, but the water coming through
> looks crystal clear. Any advice? Or other creative ideas on how I can
> get around the stripped screw problem?
>