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Date: 28 Feb 2007 13:29:33
From:
Subject: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
Hey Everybody,

I've been lurking and learning for a while but this is my first
post :)

So I've purchased an old gaggia baby on ebay and it seems like its
probably working ok but I can't figure it completely out.
Specifically, how do I switch between brew temperature and steam
temp.? It seems like its currently on steam.

Here's a description of the controls (it looks alot like the new
models but is all painted metal):

there are 4 switches across the front and a knob on top. The switches
from left to right are brew,hot water from the steam wand (pump
action), steam from the steam wand (no pump sound), water level (not a
switch, just a light).

The knob on top seems to have two settings: 1=on, 0=off. I tried
twisting it all the way around but it made crunchy sounds and nothing
changed (including not breaking which I'm happy about!)

Any idea what year this is from? (The auction said 70s, but they also
said it included a tamper but sent some weird little bottle
instead...) Anyway, the water gets really hot and the espresso is
really bitter.

Any ideas or any one know where I can get a manual for this thing?

ps: I ran decalcifier stuff through it but I should probably take it
apart to get an idea of what shape its in (the water isn't coming out
really unifiromly from the shower head) but I'm afraid i'll break it.
Any suggestions there?

Anyway thanks in advance for the help and the all the informative
stuff you guys post and everything!





 
Date: 08 Mar 2007 07:21:00
From: daveb
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!

> > Dave
>
> Wrong alias.


No. the right one -- I have 2! but thanks, 'dan'



  
Date: 08 Mar 2007 19:41:05
From: Danny
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
daveb wrote:
>>>Dave
>>
>>Wrong alias.
>
>
>
> No. the right one -- I have 2! but thanks, 'dan'
>

Awfully insecure, surely? Most people are happy to be known by their
real name, or at least just the one screen name. You seem to need
multiple names to suit your multiple personalities? One of them would
appear to be a trans-sexual or at least a transvestite :)

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)



 
Date: 08 Mar 2007 04:41:30
From: Miss Penny
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
On 5, 9:00 pm, yan...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 5, 8:48 am, Mike Garner <Cof...@quar.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > yan...@gmail.com wrote in news:1173033192.516177.201360
> > @n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > That doesn't seem to be the case for my machine though - Mine seems to
> > > have 3 buttons, one brews coffee and the other 2 cause water to come
> > > out of the steam wand (one produces steam, the other hot water). And
> > > thats it, an on/off switch up top and a low water level indicator
> > > light. Am I missing something? If I turn the machine on for 10
> > > minutes or so and press the hot-water-through-the-steam-valve button
> > > steam comes shooting out for a little while and then finally water.
> > > I've taken to doing this before a brew the espresso to try to get the
> > > water temperature down to brew levels, but I'm sure I'm missing
> > > something/ not doing it right.
>
> > > Any ideas?
>
> > What's the problem? You seem to have it figured out. One button for
> > brewing, one for steam, one for hot water. Sounds pretty conventional to
> > me... I think what's throwing you is the pushbutton steaming. Unusual on
> > aGaggia, but not unheard of on other machines.
>
> > I'm not sure that you're having temp issues. With the portafilter unlocked
> > and the machine good and warmed up (30 min or so). Press the brew button.
> > Are you seeing a lot of steam exiting the brew group? Also try this, get a
> > styrofoam cup and an instant-read thermometer. Cut down the cup so it
> > makes a pretty good fit around the dispersion block within the group head.
> > Stick the thermometer through the side of the cup so it probe rests near
> > the bottom. Brew and take note of your water temp.
>
> > You might just need fresher coffee and a better grinder...What are you
> > using?
>
> > Mike
>
> Hi, thanks for the response. I am having temp. problems I think - I
> tried what you suggested, running brew water without the portafilter
> and it's sort of bubbly and steamy. I'll get a thermometer tomorrow
> and try what you said with the cup to be sure. I was using
> superket ground beans (because my grinder didn't arrive until
> today, but now i have it!) so I bought some beans from a local coffee
> shop that should be fairly fresh (they make a decent espresso at the
> shop). I still have to play a bit to get the grinding and tamping
> right but I'm fairly optimistic about the prospects. But this
> temperature thing is driving me nuts - there's got to be a way to set
> it right? And there should be a temp ready light shouldn't there?
> If I have to run hot water from the steam wand to get the temp down,
> its not that big of deal - as long as I can make a good shot. Plus, I
> could alwaysPIDit I guess, right? :)

There is a temp ready lite on Gaggia -- it works BACKWARDS from most
others

the lite is ON when the heater is OFF ('ready') actually makes more
sense.

Dave



  
Date: 08 Mar 2007 14:09:05
From: Danny
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
Miss Penny wrote:

> There is a temp ready lite on Gaggia -- it works BACKWARDS from most
> others
>
> the lite is ON when the heater is OFF ('ready') actually makes more
> sense.
>
> Dave
>

Wrong alias.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)



 
Date: 06 Mar 2007 20:05:21
From:
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
I too thought I might be running at steam temps with the new/old Baby
- however, after grinding and tamping just as I do for my other
Gaggia, I ran it through the old Baby, and the shot seemed
comperable. The thing does seem odd though...



 
Date: 05 Mar 2007 18:00:38
From:
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
On 5, 8:48 am, Mike Garner <Cof...@quar.net > wrote:
> yan...@gmail.com wrote in news:1173033192.516177.201360
> @n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > That doesn't seem to be the case for my machine though - Mine seems to
> > have 3 buttons, one brews coffee and the other 2 cause water to come
> > out of the steam wand (one produces steam, the other hot water). And
> > thats it, an on/off switch up top and a low water level indicator
> > light. Am I missing something? If I turn the machine on for 10
> > minutes or so and press the hot-water-through-the-steam-valve button
> > steam comes shooting out for a little while and then finally water.
> > I've taken to doing this before a brew the espresso to try to get the
> > water temperature down to brew levels, but I'm sure I'm missing
> > something/ not doing it right.
>
> > Any ideas?
>
> What's the problem? You seem to have it figured out. One button for
> brewing, one for steam, one for hot water. Sounds pretty conventional to
> me... I think what's throwing you is the pushbutton steaming. Unusual on
> aGaggia, but not unheard of on other machines.
>
> I'm not sure that you're having temp issues. With the portafilter unlocked
> and the machine good and warmed up (30 min or so). Press the brew button.
> Are you seeing a lot of steam exiting the brew group? Also try this, get a
> styrofoam cup and an instant-read thermometer. Cut down the cup so it
> makes a pretty good fit around the dispersion block within the group head.
> Stick the thermometer through the side of the cup so it probe rests near
> the bottom. Brew and take note of your water temp.
>
> You might just need fresher coffee and a better grinder...What are you
> using?
>
> Mike

Hi, thanks for the response. I am having temp. problems I think - I
tried what you suggested, running brew water without the portafilter
and it's sort of bubbly and steamy. I'll get a thermometer tomorrow
and try what you said with the cup to be sure. I was using
superket ground beans (because my grinder didn't arrive until
today, but now i have it!) so I bought some beans from a local coffee
shop that should be fairly fresh (they make a decent espresso at the
shop). I still have to play a bit to get the grinding and tamping
right but I'm fairly optimistic about the prospects. But this
temperature thing is driving me nuts - there's got to be a way to set
it right? And there should be a temp ready light shouldn't there?
If I have to run hot water from the steam wand to get the temp down,
its not that big of deal - as long as I can make a good shot. Plus, I
could always PID it I guess, right? :)



  
Date: 06 Mar 2007 21:54:23
From: Mike Garner
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
In article <1173146438.335981.270250@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com >,
yannul@gmail.com says...
> Hi, thanks for the response. I am having temp. problems I think - I
> tried what you suggested, running brew water without the portafilter
> and it's sort of bubbly and steamy. I'll get a thermometer tomorrow
> and try what you said with the cup to be sure. I was using
> superket ground beans (because my grinder didn't arrive until
> today, but now i have it!) so I bought some beans from a local coffee
> shop that should be fairly fresh (they make a decent espresso at the
> shop)
>


Not sure about the ready light. You said that you have an indicator
light, are you sure of it's function? Ever see it change?

Sounds like it's running a maybe a little hot...Only concern that I have
is that your brew t-stat might be bad and you are operating at steam
temperature. I'd expect to see a lot of steam when you press the brew
button though. You'll know more once you get a therometer on it. Make
sure it's an instant read.

Mike




 
Date: 04 Mar 2007 10:33:12
From:
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!


On 1, 5:54 pm, tckroll <tpijagnotthisp...@swbell.net > wrote:
> yan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 28, 6:15 pm, j...@mail.gatech.edu wrote:
> >> I'm sure someone out there has your machine, and will help you with
> >> its operation.
>
> >> In the meantime, this might be the manual for you:
>
> >>http://www.espressotec.com/manual/gaggiababy.pdf
>
> > Thanks John, that was helpful. that model's buttons are bit
> > rearranged w.r.t mine though: specifically I don't seem to have a
> > water temp. reading light or a switch between brew/steam (not than I
> > can find anyway). I've decided the knob on the top *may* turn past
> > '1' ramping the temp up to steam, but if that's the case then why does
> > steam come flying out when I push the steam button? Maybe you have to
> > turn it all the way around to get it for only brew temp? That would
> > actually make some sense as some switches are that way so your sure
> > you''ve turned them off (if you know what I mean) I'll have to try it
> > (though I can;t seem to stop myself from drinking in the bad shots -
> > yesterday I had seven. :(
>
> > I'd still appreciate hearing from anyone who has/knows about this
> > model, I have a million questions.
>
> > Well ok, I have about 5 questions. ;)
>
> Any manual you find should provide accurate enough info to manage.
>
> One switch turns the machine on and off.
> One switch switches operation of the machine temperature to either the
> brew or steam thermostat. IOW, two temperatures, high and higher.
> One switch turns the pump on.
>
> The knob on top should be the steam valve.
> Either closed or turned and out some degree of open.
> If you open and get nothing but hot water.....you now know that the brew
> temp / steam temp switch is set to brew.
>
> terry

That doesn't seem to be the case for my machine though - Mine seems to
have 3 buttons, one brews coffee and the other 2 cause water to come
out of the steam wand (one produces steam, the other hot water). And
thats it, an on/off switch up top and a low water level indicator
light. Am I missing something? If I turn the machine on for 10
minutes or so and press the hot-water-through-the-steam-valve button
steam comes shooting out for a little while and then finally water.
I've taken to doing this before a brew the espresso to try to get the
water temperature down to brew levels, but I'm sure I'm missing
something/ not doing it right.

Any ideas?



  
Date: 05 Mar 2007 15:48:06
From: Mike Garner
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
yannul@gmail.com wrote in news:1173033192.516177.201360
@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

> That doesn't seem to be the case for my machine though - Mine seems to
> have 3 buttons, one brews coffee and the other 2 cause water to come
> out of the steam wand (one produces steam, the other hot water). And
> thats it, an on/off switch up top and a low water level indicator
> light. Am I missing something? If I turn the machine on for 10
> minutes or so and press the hot-water-through-the-steam-valve button
> steam comes shooting out for a little while and then finally water.
> I've taken to doing this before a brew the espresso to try to get the
> water temperature down to brew levels, but I'm sure I'm missing
> something/ not doing it right.
>
> Any ideas?


What's the problem? You seem to have it figured out. One button for
brewing, one for steam, one for hot water. Sounds pretty conventional to
me... I think what's throwing you is the pushbutton steaming. Unusual on
a Gaggia, but not unheard of on other machines.

I'm not sure that you're having temp issues. With the portafilter unlocked
and the machine good and warmed up (30 min or so). Press the brew button.
Are you seeing a lot of steam exiting the brew group? Also try this, get a
styrofoam cup and an instant-read thermometer. Cut down the cup so it
makes a pretty good fit around the dispersion block within the group head.
Stick the thermometer through the side of the cup so it probe rests near
the bottom. Brew and take note of your water temp.

You might just need fresher coffee and a better grinder...What are you
using?

Mike


 
Date: 01 Mar 2007 19:11:57
From: chance
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
DON"T turn the power switch around and around. That's bad. It only
turns the machine off and on.

I have many of the same questions you do - I just got an older (seller
said 10 years) Baby that behaves exactly the same way. There doen't
seem to be a steam knob, which is strange. I have the original manual
- it says that when you want steam, press the steam button (I think it
rapidly heats when the button is pressed.)

I haven't used the machine much - I did take it a bit apart (harder
than my other Gaggia). I get some steam out of the brew head, but the
coffee seems mostly find when ground for the other Gaggia....

It is odd though, and I too would like any other input....

> Any manual you find should provide accurate enough info to manage.
>
> One switch turns the machine on and off.
> One switch switches operation of the machine temperature to either the
> brew or steam thermostat. IOW, two temperatures, high and higher.
> One switch turns the pump on.
>
> The knob on top should be the steam valve.
> Either closed or turned and out some degree of open.
> If you open and get nothing but hot water.....you now know that the brew
> temp / steam temp switch is set to brew.
>
> terry




 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 18:41:09
From:
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
On Feb 28, 6:15 pm, j...@mail.gatech.edu wrote:
> I'm sure someone out there has your machine, and will help you with
> its operation.
>
> In the meantime, this might be the manual for you:
>
> http://www.espressotec.com/manual/gaggiababy.pdf

Thanks John, that was helpful. that model's buttons are bit
rearranged w.r.t mine though: specifically I don't seem to have a
water temp. reading light or a switch between brew/steam (not than I
can find anyway). I've decided the knob on the top *may* turn past
'1' ramping the temp up to steam, but if that's the case then why does
steam come flying out when I push the steam button? Maybe you have to
turn it all the way around to get it for only brew temp? That would
actually make some sense as some switches are that way so your sure
you''ve turned them off (if you know what I mean) I'll have to try it
(though I can;t seem to stop myself from drinking in the bad shots -
yesterday I had seven. :(

I'd still appreciate hearing from anyone who has/knows about this
model, I have a million questions.

Well ok, I have about 5 questions. ;)



  
Date: 02 Mar 2007 00:54:38
From: tckroll
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
yannul@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 28, 6:15 pm, j...@mail.gatech.edu wrote:
>> I'm sure someone out there has your machine, and will help you with
>> its operation.
>>
>> In the meantime, this might be the manual for you:
>>
>> http://www.espressotec.com/manual/gaggiababy.pdf
>
> Thanks John, that was helpful. that model's buttons are bit
> rearranged w.r.t mine though: specifically I don't seem to have a
> water temp. reading light or a switch between brew/steam (not than I
> can find anyway). I've decided the knob on the top *may* turn past
> '1' ramping the temp up to steam, but if that's the case then why does
> steam come flying out when I push the steam button? Maybe you have to
> turn it all the way around to get it for only brew temp? That would
> actually make some sense as some switches are that way so your sure
> you''ve turned them off (if you know what I mean) I'll have to try it
> (though I can;t seem to stop myself from drinking in the bad shots -
> yesterday I had seven. :(
>
> I'd still appreciate hearing from anyone who has/knows about this
> model, I have a million questions.
>
> Well ok, I have about 5 questions. ;)
>
Any manual you find should provide accurate enough info to manage.

One switch turns the machine on and off.
One switch switches operation of the machine temperature to either the
brew or steam thermostat. IOW, two temperatures, high and higher.
One switch turns the pump on.

The knob on top should be the steam valve.
Either closed or turned and out some degree of open.
If you open and get nothing but hot water.....you now know that the brew
temp / steam temp switch is set to brew.

terry


 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 17:15:14
From:
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
I'm sure someone out there has your machine, and will help you with
its operation.

In the meantime, this might be the manual for you:

http://www.espressotec.com/manual/gaggiababy.pdf



 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 16:53:00
From:
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
Thanks, the seller obviously didn't know what they were talking about
- good to know its of more recent vintage. I'm going to take another
look at the current model's instructions of see if I can't figure it
out.



On Feb 28, 2:57 pm, j...@mail.gatech.edu wrote:
> Not sure how to operate your machine specifically, but I thought I
> would
> mention that the oldest Gaggia baby was made 1978-1987, it had rocker
> switches.
> It sounds like yours is the type made in 1998 and later, still metal
> but with lighted square buttons. Not sure when they switched to
> a plastic body.
>
> On Feb 28, 4:29 pm, yan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Hey Everybody,
>
> > I've been lurking and learning for a while but this is my first
> > post :)
>
> > So I've purchased an old gaggia baby on ebay and it seems like its
> > probably working ok but I can't figure it completely out.
> > Specifically, how do I switch between brew temperature and steam
> > temp.? It seems like its currently on steam.
>
> > Here's a description of the controls (it looks alot like the new
> > models but is all painted metal):
>
> > there are 4 switches across the front and a knob on top. The switches
> > from left to right are brew,hot water from the steam wand (pump
> > action), steam from the steam wand (no pump sound), water level (not a
> > switch, just a light).
>
> > The knob on top seems to have two settings: 1=on, 0=off. I tried
> > twisting it all the way around but it made crunchy sounds and nothing
> > changed (including not breaking which I'm happy about!)
>
> > Any idea what year this is from? (The auction said 70s, but they also
> > said it included a tamper but sent some weird little bottle
> > instead...) Anyway, the water gets really hot and the espresso is
> > really bitter.
>
> > Any ideas or any one know where I can get a manual for this thing?
>
> > ps: I ran decalcifier stuff through it but I should probably take it
> > apart to get an idea of what shape its in (the water isn't coming out
> > really unifiromly from the shower head) but I'm afraid i'll break it.
> > Any suggestions there?
>
> > Anyway thanks in advance for the help and the all the informative
> > stuff you guys post and everything!




 
Date: 28 Feb 2007 13:57:41
From:
Subject: Re: How do I work my old Gaggia Baby? I've searched and searched!
Not sure how to operate your machine specifically, but I thought I
would
mention that the oldest Gaggia baby was made 1978-1987, it had rocker
switches.
It sounds like yours is the type made in 1998 and later, still metal
but with lighted square buttons. Not sure when they switched to
a plastic body.

On Feb 28, 4:29 pm, yan...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hey Everybody,
>
> I've been lurking and learning for a while but this is my first
> post :)
>
> So I've purchased an old gaggia baby on ebay and it seems like its
> probably working ok but I can't figure it completely out.
> Specifically, how do I switch between brew temperature and steam
> temp.? It seems like its currently on steam.
>
> Here's a description of the controls (it looks alot like the new
> models but is all painted metal):
>
> there are 4 switches across the front and a knob on top. The switches
> from left to right are brew,hot water from the steam wand (pump
> action), steam from the steam wand (no pump sound), water level (not a
> switch, just a light).
>
> The knob on top seems to have two settings: 1=on, 0=off. I tried
> twisting it all the way around but it made crunchy sounds and nothing
> changed (including not breaking which I'm happy about!)
>
> Any idea what year this is from? (The auction said 70s, but they also
> said it included a tamper but sent some weird little bottle
> instead...) Anyway, the water gets really hot and the espresso is
> really bitter.
>
> Any ideas or any one know where I can get a manual for this thing?
>
> ps: I ran decalcifier stuff through it but I should probably take it
> apart to get an idea of what shape its in (the water isn't coming out
> really unifiromly from the shower head) but I'm afraid i'll break it.
> Any suggestions there?
>
> Anyway thanks in advance for the help and the all the informative
> stuff you guys post and everything!