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Date: 19 Dec 2006 01:40:21
From: RicBrazil
Subject: How would you rank espresso machines?
Hi!

This is just out of curiosity... I can guess from the posts I've read
that Rancilio Silvia is by far the most talked about machine here. Does
that mean it's the very best home machine available? I, myself, dream
of having one just because of all the comments I've read in this group
(and it does look great!) Unfortunately, it's way beyond my price range
at this point, especially here in Brazil, where I'd have to pay more
than twice the official price in taxes if I decided to purchase one. My
Gaggia Evolution is giving me lots of excellent shots, but, still,
there's the plastic body and all those things. That's why I'm asking
you this: What are are the top five, or top ten machines? Which one is
the Ferrari of coffee machines? Which one is just a good Honda? Which
one is everybody's dream machine? Is there a concensus, or do opinions
vary a lot?

Thanks a lot!
Ricardo
(S=E3o Paulo, Brazil)





 
Date: 21 Dec 2006 03:19:31
From: RicBrazil
Subject: Re: How would you rank espresso machines?
Incidentally, couldn't agree more that great machines can produce
horrible espresso. Yesterday I went to a coffee shop here in S=E3o Paulo
(Il Barista) that claims to be one of the best around here (we have
Starbucks now, by the way!) I usually go there for their beans, which I
believe are very good to my standards. I looked at their machine (a
commercial Rancilio - I don't know which one exactly) and praised it to
the barista working there (maybe one of the owners...) He started going
on and on about how there was just one of those machines in Brazil,
that it was really perfect and blah blah blah. He convinced me to have
a espresso. What they gave me was a cup almost overfloating with
coffee, very thin crema and, of course, very watery.


RicBrazil wrote:
> So... you've been to Brazil!
>
> I'm Brazilian (Italian Brazilian), but I have to admit that Brazilian
> cafezinho is one of the worst types of coffee you can possibly get!
> Brazilian coffee is getting better (so they say), but the average
> preference is still for overroasted beans...
>
> Hugs,
> Ric
>
> Donn Cave wrote:
> > Quoth "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com>:
> >


 
Date: 21 Dec 2006 03:12:17
From: RicBrazil
Subject: Re: How would you rank espresso machines?
So... you've been to Brazil!

I'm Brazilian (Italian Brazilian), but I have to admit that Brazilian
cafezinho is one of the worst types of coffee you can possibly get!
Brazilian coffee is getting better (so they say), but the average
preference is still for overroasted beans...

Hugs,
Ric

Donn Cave wrote:
> Quoth "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com>:
>


  
Date: 22 Dec 2006 06:59:18
From: Donn Cave
Subject: Re: How would you rank espresso machines?
Quoth "RicBrazil" <ricguers@ajato.com.br >:


 
Date: 20 Dec 2006 09:28:14
From: shane
Subject: Re: How would you rank espresso machines?
For some odd reason this question strikes me as amusing. I doubt two
people will give the same answer. :)


RicBrazil wrote:
> Is there a concensus, or do opinions
> vary a lot?
>=20
> Thanks a lot!
> Ricardo
> (S=E3o Paulo, Brazil)



  
Date: 21 Dec 2006 07:01:21
From: Donn Cave
Subject: Re: How would you rank espresso machines?
Quoth "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com >:


   
Date: 21 Dec 2006 12:51:36
From: Sheldon T. Hall - DO NOT MAIL
Subject: Re: How would you rank espresso machines?
On 21 Dec 2006 07:01:21 GMT, "Donn Cave" <donn@drizzle.com > wrote:

>Quoth "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com>:
>


 
Date: 19 Dec 2006 17:40:56
From: Alex_chef2000
Subject: Re: How would you rank espresso machines?
Hi there, any ITALIAN machine with a "good" name is really nice for
espresso. I highly recommend to buy a machine with quality service and
parts in your country.

Check first the warranty in your country and if they carry parts and do
the service.

FAEMA is a good brand too.


Regards from Mexico,




Alex.:



  
Date: 19 Dec 2006 22:42:17
From: Joel Fleischman
Subject: Re: How would you rank espresso machines?
Yes, I prefer my genuine Italian Bennoti

http://www.asseenontv.com/prod-pages/bennoti_espresso_maker.html




"Alex_chef2000" <alejandro@tips.com.mx > wrote in message
news:1166578856.060734.198980@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi there, any ITALIAN machine with a "good" name is really nice for
> espresso. I highly recommend to buy a machine with quality service and
> parts in your country.
>
> Check first the warranty in your country and if they carry parts and do
> the service.
>
> FAEMA is a good brand too.
>
>
> Regards from Mexico,
>
>
>
>
> Alex.:
>




 
Date: 19 Dec 2006 19:10:53
From: Ken Wilson
Subject: Re: How would you rank espresso machines?
"RicBrazil"
Which one is
the Ferrari of coffee machines?

La zocco. - or is that more the Range Rover?

Which one is just a good Honda?

Over here (uk)- a honda is workhorse - good comptetent performer but not
outstanding and not the sort of thing you would buy if you could afford
something better?

Sort of the Gaggia home range?

The silvia is about mid range ford (mondeo?)

the heat exchanger boiler machines are a step up from that - and then you go
the double boiler machines. all the rest of the stuff is just looks eg the
E61 head types.


Which
one is everybody's dream machine? Is there a concensus, or do opinions
vary a lot?

Well - i wouldn't want a la zocco in my kitchen - it would dwarf it - but
equally i wouldn't drive to work or take the tools down to the boatyard in a
ferrari.


Thanks a lot!
Ricardo
(São Paulo, Brazil)


Now tell me - what coffee do you drink?

ken

England




 
Date: 19 Dec 2006 08:34:27
From: daveb
Subject: Re: How would you rank espresso machines?
With a decent grinder, a Gaggia espresso can do a fine job at US$200 --
new

dave
191



 
Date: 19 Dec 2006 06:56:24
From: RicBrazil
Subject: Re: How would you rank espresso machines?
Thanks, John!

chardinej wrote:
> RicBrazil wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > This is just out of curiosity... I can guess from the posts I've read
> > that Rancilio Silvia is by far the most talked about machine here. Does
> > that mean it's the very best home machine available? I, myself, dream
> > of having one just because of all the comments I've read in this group
> > (and it does look great!) Unfortunately, it's way beyond my price range
> > at this point, especially here in Brazil, where I'd have to pay more
> > than twice the official price in taxes if I decided to purchase one. My
> > Gaggia Evolution is giving me lots of excellent shots, but, still,
> > there's the plastic body and all those things. That's why I'm asking
> > you this: What are are the top five, or top ten machines? Which one is
> > the Ferrari of coffee machines? Which one is just a good Honda? Which
> > one is everybody's dream machine? Is there a concensus, or do opinions
> > vary a lot?
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> > Ricardo
> > (S=E3o Paulo, Brazil)
>
> In my experience and the writings of lots of others more experienced
> than me, you should be asking what type of coffee grinder should I
> purchase. Get a good one and you have the centrepiece of your espresso
> set-up. Then any espresso machine that maintains the brewing water at
> the correct temperature, can produce the correct amount of water
> pressure, and has a professional, free-flowing portafilter (i.e.,
> unpressurised), (add any other features here), will take you on the
> journey to a perfect shot of espresso. By the way, there's nothing
> wrong with a plastic body. What is obviously important is the quality
> of the parts under the plastic.
>=20
> John



 
Date: 19 Dec 2006 03:50:29
From: chardinej
Subject: Re: How would you rank espresso machines?

RicBrazil wrote:
> Hi!
>
> This is just out of curiosity... I can guess from the posts I've read
> that Rancilio Silvia is by far the most talked about machine here. Does
> that mean it's the very best home machine available? I, myself, dream
> of having one just because of all the comments I've read in this group
> (and it does look great!) Unfortunately, it's way beyond my price range
> at this point, especially here in Brazil, where I'd have to pay more
> than twice the official price in taxes if I decided to purchase one. My
> Gaggia Evolution is giving me lots of excellent shots, but, still,
> there's the plastic body and all those things. That's why I'm asking
> you this: What are are the top five, or top ten machines? Which one is
> the Ferrari of coffee machines? Which one is just a good Honda? Which
> one is everybody's dream machine? Is there a concensus, or do opinions
> vary a lot?
>
> Thanks a lot!
> Ricardo
> (S=E3o Paulo, Brazil)

In my experience and the writings of lots of others more experienced
than me, you should be asking what type of coffee grinder should I
purchase. Get a good one and you have the centrepiece of your espresso
set-up. Then any espresso machine that maintains the brewing water at
the correct temperature, can produce the correct amount of water
pressure, and has a professional, free-flowing portafilter (i.e.,
unpressurised), (add any other features here), will take you on the
journey to a perfect shot of espresso. By the way, there's nothing
wrong with a plastic body. What is obviously important is the quality
of the parts under the plastic.

John