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Date: 29 Nov 2006 13:19:38
From:
Subject: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
I've tried all sort of gimmicks, timing, preheat, steam on/off, roast
types etc.

Still the head on my espresso is relatively small, sometimes
nonexistent. Is head a product of heat? Brew time? Roast type?
Pack?

I think I tried everything





 
Date: 09 Dec 2006 10:41:00
From:
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
I want to thank all that threw ideas my way. I found the problem of my
lack of "head" -

It wasn't the coffee, or the roaster. It wasn't the grinder or the
water. It was TAMPING.

I never really got a feel for coffee amount/content, length of pull,
and how much it needed to be compressed or tamped. Just for grins I
bought a real good/heavy 58mm made to fit my Silvia. And presto!

I may want to note the tamper that comes with both my grinder (Mazzer)
and the Silvia are worthless.

thanks again



 
Date: 30 Nov 2006 16:17:30
From: ramboorider@gmail.com
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
On Nov 30, 6:26 pm, Randy G. <f...@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote:
> If I pulled a shot that had 1/8" of crema on it I would toss it down
> the sink as poorly extracted. Go to my website and check the "Coffee
> College" and click on "See a pull from Silvia." This is from a few
> years ago, and I am getting better pulls now, but it is representative
> of the amount of crema that you should be getting (and that I have
> always gotten from the beginning).

I'm only about a month in with Silvia and the quality of my shots still
varies quite a bit (although the best ones are getting really really
good and the poor ones are getting very infrequent), but I've been
getting massive amounts of crema from the start. Through four different
types of beans too, although none more than a few weeks post-roast.
When I get a 2.5 oz shot, its down to below 2 by the time the crema
settles out. I wonder if there's some other problem, because it's not
like my technique is great now and it was pretty certifiably terrible
for the first several days. Some nasty nasty shots, but still loads of
crema.

-Ray



 
Date: 30 Nov 2006 10:24:45
From:
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia

Steve Ackman wrote:

> Did you try something other than your single origin
> Maui? Say, a dry processed/semi-washed bean or blend?

I sourced about 8 or 9 different types of green hawaiian. Some were
estate greens, some were organic, some was commercial kona (but not
blended). Fall is about the only time of year you can get hawaiin
green, so I loaded up. It's mostly gone now, but you can still get
2cds.

I roast with a Gene, usually until I see the first little bit of oil,
somewhere between brown/black, usually just after the 2cd crack.

I'm glad you mentioned the coffee type/source, I never really thought
of that - always thinking it was something mechanical.

I grind with a Mazzer, and have tried a rough all the way to so fine it
stops the plates and clogs the machine. Neither seems to affect the
head, or crema. Yet when I go to Starbucks while on the road, poof!
There's a head 1/8" tall



  
Date: 30 Nov 2006 15:26:14
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
buckwheat_phd@yahoo.com wrote:

>I roast with a Gene, usually until I see the first little bit of oil,
>somewhere between brown/black, usually just after the 2cd crack.
>
Just after 2nd crack starts, just after 2nd crack becomes active, or
just after second crack ends?

"Somewhere between brown and black," is a HUGE range. "Brown" can mean
a lot of things, and to most of us, "black" means burnt and ruined.

>I grind with a Mazzer, and have tried a rough all the way to so fine it
>stops the plates and clogs the machine. Neither seems to affect the
>head, or crema. Yet when I go to Starbucks while on the road, poof!
>There's a head 1/8" tall
>
If I pulled a shot that had 1/8" of crema on it I would toss it down
the sink as poorly extracted. Go to my website and check the "Coffee
College" and click on "See a pull from Silvia." This is from a few
years ago, and I am getting better pulls now, but it is representative
of the amount of crema that you should be getting (and that I have
always gotten from the beginning).

Randy "bad coffee+bad technique = bad crema" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com





 
Date: 30 Nov 2006 11:33:09
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
In <1164835178.147557.182240@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >, on 29 Nov
2006 13:19:38 -0800, buckwheat_phd@yahoo.com wrote:
> I've tried all sort of gimmicks, timing, preheat, steam on/off, roast
> types etc.
>
> Still the head on my espresso is relatively small, sometimes
> nonexistent. Is head a product of heat? Brew time? Roast type?
> Pack?

Freshness, pressure, bean processing, bean origin,
roast level/profile, grind, brew temperature... yeah,
all of that.

> I think I tried everything

Did you try something other than your single origin
Maui? Say, a dry processed/semi-washed bean or blend?


 
Date: 30 Nov 2006 01:47:01
From: daveb
Subject: very little head from Silvia
The worst I had was TERRIFIC!

to paraphrase Woody Allen.


I- >Ian wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:20:03 -0700, "Ken Fox"
> <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"medley" <jesse.medley@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1164844980.077383.204720@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> LOL, perhaps i need a new girlfreind too.
> >
> >could you let us in on your criteria for good head?
> >
>
> It's my understanding there is none bad



 
Date: 29 Nov 2006 17:17:12
From: Jim Exline
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
Jim Exline wrote:
> Welcome to ried life!
>
> JimnGin

Make that Jim E- Jimngin is me on alt.food.barbecue. See what happens
when I hear about getting head!? Hell, I can't even get "ahead", much
less- well never mind!

Jim "Can't get ahead for trying" E



 
Date: 29 Nov 2006 17:11:58
From: Jim Exline
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
Welcome to ried life!

JimnGin



 
Date: 29 Nov 2006 16:03:00
From: medley
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
LOL, perhaps i need a new girlfreind too.

Yes, coffee for esspresso must be fresh. i find the first week after
roast is the best, second week i can still drink, any longer than that
and forget it.
and i sure hope you do have a good burr grinder. and grind fresh for
each shot.



  
Date: 29 Nov 2006 17:20:03
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
"medley" <jesse.medley@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1164844980.077383.204720@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> LOL, perhaps i need a new girlfreind too.

could you let us in on your criteria for good head?




   
Date: 30 Nov 2006 00:59:45
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:20:03 -0700, "Ken Fox"
<morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote:

>"medley" <jesse.medley@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1164844980.077383.204720@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> LOL, perhaps i need a new girlfreind too.
>
>could you let us in on your criteria for good head?
>

It's my understanding there is none bad


    
Date: 29 Nov 2006 17:24:21
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:20:03 -0700, "Ken Fox"
><morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"medley" <jesse.medley@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1164844980.077383.204720@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> LOL, perhaps i need a new girlfreind too.
>>
>>could you let us in on your criteria for good head?
>>
>
>It's my understanding there is none bad
>
This might change your mind:
http://www.milwaukee-horror-hosts.com/images_2/NoNeck_300.jpg


Randy "ouch" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




 
Date: 29 Nov 2006 14:37:59
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
buckwheat_phd@yahoo.com wrote:

>I've tried all sort of gimmicks, timing, preheat, steam on/off, roast
>types etc.
>
>Still the head on my espresso is relatively small, sometimes
>nonexistent. Is head a product of heat? Brew time? Roast type?
>Pack?
>
>I think I tried everything
>

If __crema__ is of what you speak:

1) What grinder are you using (you _DO_ have a grinder and are
grinding for each pull individually, I hope)? Generally, if you spent
less than $150 on the grinder then that could be the problem. If you
are buying ground coffee, then that IS the problem.

2) How fresh is your coffee (NOT how long ago you bought it, but how
long since it was roasted)? If the package says, "Best if used by..."
then it is a safe bet that it is not fresh.

3) Are you using a properly fitted tamper and not the plastic POS that
came with Silvia?

IF you are using a quality grinder, and IF you are grinding FRESH
coffee for each use, and IF the beans are of good quality and properly
roasted for espresso, and IF the water you are using is good, then
basically I would say that you need to grind finer.

Randy "that's a lot of IFs" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




 
Date: 29 Nov 2006 14:37:00
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
perhaps you need a new girlfriend?




  
Date: 29 Nov 2006 22:32:08
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:37:00 -0700, "Ken Fox"
<morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote:

>perhaps you need a new girlfriend?
>
Like Anita or Andreja?


   
Date: 29 Nov 2006 15:43:59
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ki2sm2lbditet2htvgo8il59vaphgahf87@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:37:00 -0700, "Ken Fox"
> <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>perhaps you need a new girlfriend?
>>
> Like Anita or Andreja?

do they give a lot of head?




 
Date: 29 Nov 2006 21:31:32
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: I get very little head from Miss Sylvia
On 29 Nov 2006 13:19:38 -0800, buckwheat_phd@yahoo.com wrote:

>I've tried all sort of gimmicks, timing, preheat, steam on/off, roast
>types etc.
>
>Still the head on my espresso is relatively small, sometimes
>nonexistent. Is head a product of heat? Brew time? Roast type?
>Pack?
>
>I think I tried everything

Coffee? How fresh is it? Too fresh is lots of foam, stale is no foam