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Date: 25 May 2007 02:33:59
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: I like a bargain - a rant with a point
I just bought two ULKA pumps for ~$58 each w/shipping. Then I look on eBay &
ItalianCoffeeShop has the identical pumps for ~$38 w/shipping. I've been
after those folks to sell 120 VAC pumps, coils, etc., & they finally got the
hint - there's a market here that they were missing.

Hey, I don't really want to piss in anyone's rice bowl but I don't set the
prices, either here or in Italy. If you sell these products get the importer
to give you a better price that you can pass along or ItalianCoffeeShop will
be selling more & more stuff over here.

www.tinyurl.com/2dvysn

--
Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
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Date: 28 May 2007 07:19:26
From: John B
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point

> Yep, I've bought from them, great prices, quick shipping. As they say in
> Ebay, Recommended!


Me too, I used him 3 times already, always been pleased. Shipping
from Italy is surprisingly fast.



 
Date: 25 May 2007 10:04:00
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point
Because of the oddities of the multi-step distribution process in the US
(dealers buy from importers who have marked the goods up, not directly from
the manufacturer) the high US prices for espresso parts are not necessarily
the dealer's fault - $26 is probably not much less than US dealer's cost.
Generally speaking each time a product passes thru a level of distribution
the price roughly doubles. As the internet, ebay, etc. shrink the world
even more than it is already, it will be increasing difficult to have
different prices and distribution models in different countries for the same
item, esp. a lightweight item that is easily mailed. Hopefully Italian
Coffee Shop will cause problems for the US dealers who will pass their grief
along to the importers/ manufacturers and the US distribution system will
have to change (or disappear). Though I assume the first reaction of the
importers will be to to get ItalianCoffeeShop to stop selling overseas, so
hurry if you need anything. A 50% price discrepancy is nothing - I get
allergy medication sent to me from NZ and it's maybe 1/4 the US price for
the identical item (though drug pricing is even more messed up than other
import prices).


"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:rWr5i.18789$3P3.16352@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>I just bought two ULKA pumps for ~$58 each w/shipping. Then I look on eBay
>& ItalianCoffeeShop has the identical pumps for ~$38 w/shipping. I've been
>after those folks to sell 120 VAC pumps, coils, etc., & they finally got
>the hint - there's a market here that they were missing.
>
> Hey, I don't really want to piss in anyone's rice bowl but I don't set the
> prices, either here or in Italy. If you sell these products get the
> importer to give you a better price that you can pass along or
> ItalianCoffeeShop will be selling more & more stuff over here.
>
> www.tinyurl.com/2dvysn
>
> --
> Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
> newsgroup!) Harmon
> --
> http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
> http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
> http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
>
>
>




 
Date: 25 May 2007 04:10:50
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point


  
Date: 26 May 2007 08:26:11
From: Natalie Drest
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point
"D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu > wrote in message
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Date: 25 May 2007 18:26:09
From: Danny
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point
D. Ross wrote:
>


   
Date: 25 May 2007 19:08:04
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point
Howdy Danny!
I saw those - listed as 240 VAC, but they're probably like the other boiler
& used for both. There's no circuitry involved so they should be
interchangeable. I've bought several items from them and if you combine
shipping they are even cheaper. Anyone want to do a combo order & save
money?
--
Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

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"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
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> D. Ross wrote:
>>


    
Date: 26 May 2007 01:58:17
From: Paul Vojta
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point
In article <ouG5i.19003$3P3.6804@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
Robert Harmon <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote:
>Howdy Danny!
>I saw those - listed as 240 VAC, but they're probably like the other boiler
>& used for both. There's no circuitry involved so they should be
>interchangeable. I've bought several items from them and if you combine
>shipping they are even cheaper. Anyone want to do a combo order & save
>money?

What about the heater element?

--Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu


     
Date: 26 May 2007 02:15:32
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point
Howdy Paul!
It's just an induction coil - shouldn't care how much juice it gets as long
as it's not so much that it blows. Take a look at the Gaggia boilers; all of
them have 240/50 stamped on them with the wiring the only difference. With
the old style boilers, even if there was a difference it would just take a
while longer to get up to brew temp, but it will get there.
--
Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

"Paul Vojta" <vojta@math.berkeley.edu > wrote in message
news:f3847p$1f38$1@agate.berkeley.edu...
> In article <ouG5i.19003$3P3.6804@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> Robert Harmon <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote:
>>Howdy Danny!
>>I saw those - listed as 240 VAC, but they're probably like the other
>>boiler
>>& used for both. There's no circuitry involved so they should be
>>interchangeable. I've bought several items from them and if you combine
>>shipping they are even cheaper. Anyone want to do a combo order & save
>>money?
>
> What about the heater element?
>
> --Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu




      
Date: 26 May 2007 22:44:06
From: Andy Schecter
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point
Robert Harmon wrote:
> It's just an induction coil - shouldn't care how much juice it gets as long
> as it's not so much that it blows.

As David correctly points out, it's a resistive element, not an "induction coil."

It DOES care how much juice it gets. A 240v element running on 120v will put
out only 1/4 the normal wattage. This will result in abysmal performance.

Try not to electrocute yourself, Robert, because it sounds like you're pretty
clueless with this stuff.

I'm sure dave would be glad to help if you asked him for advice. :-)

--


-Andy S.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_s/sets/


       
Date: 27 May 2007 14:07:52
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point
Howdy Andy!
Yeah, I admit sleeping through the underclass prerequisite electrical
coursework; electrical engineers are a breed apart. You have seen the
elements on Gaggia machines, right? All of the new boilers use the same
element - 120 VAC or 240 VAC, no difference, so I'd be willing to bet this
one is also interchangeable. I also know more than one person using their
Europicolla for both voltages, with just the time it takes to ramp up to
temp being the difference.

While attending a little ol' trade school in Cambridge, MA, I listened
intently as a prof said that whereas a 'businessman' must know everything
about doing his job, an 'entrepreneur' acknowledges his weaknesses & seeks
advice from people knowledgeable in their fields.

Me, I try holding to the middle ground, learning new things whenever the
opportunity presents itself but taking advantage of expert advice in fields
I'm weak in. Works for me & thanks for the lessons everybody!
--
Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

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"Andy Schecter" <schecter@remove.me.rochester.rr.com > wrote in message
news:4658f064$0$12499$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Robert Harmon wrote:
>> It's just an induction coil - shouldn't care how much juice it gets as
>> long as it's not so much that it blows.
>
> As David correctly points out, it's a resistive element, not an "induction
> coil."
>
> It DOES care how much juice it gets. A 240v element running on 120v will
> put out only 1/4 the normal wattage. This will result in abysmal
> performance.
>
> Try not to electrocute yourself, Robert, because it sounds like you're
> pretty clueless with this stuff.
>
> I'm sure dave would be glad to help if you asked him for advice. :-)
>
> --
>
>
> -Andy S.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_s/sets/




        
Date: 27 May 2007 16:16:57
From: Andy Schecter
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point
Robert Harmon wrote:
> I also know more than one person using their
> Europicolla for both voltages, with just the time it takes to ramp up to
> temp being the difference.

I don't doubt people do it, but lots of people drink Folgers, too. What have
we proved?

> While attending a little ol' trade school in Cambridge, MA, I listened
> intently as a prof said that whereas a 'businessman' must know everything
> about doing his job, an 'entrepreneur' acknowledges his weaknesses & seeks
> advice from people knowledgeable in their fields.

You will get no argument from me on that point.

Meanwhile, I am mildly concerned with this situation. You asked for a wiring
diagram for your interval timer, which I foolishly supplied to you. Now you
breezily admit that you slept through your undergrad electrical coursework.

Do me a big favor and PLEASE don't kill yourself with your little experiment!
--


-Andy S.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_s/sets/


        
Date: 27 May 2007 10:50:11
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point
In <Ygg6i.10656$296.4265@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net >, on Sun, 27
May 2007 14:07:52 GMT, Robert Harmon wrote:

> Howdy Andy!
> Yeah, I admit sleeping through the underclass prerequisite electrical
> coursework; electrical engineers are a breed apart. You have seen the
> elements on Gaggia machines, right? All of the new boilers use the same
> element - 120 VAC or 240 VAC, no difference,

We've been through this ad nauseum. There IS a
difference. That difference is that the elements are
wired in series for 240 VAC; parallel for 120 VAC.
IOW, you end up with something on the order of a 12 ohm
heater when wired in parallel and a 24 ohm heater when
wired in series. The wiring gives you two different
element configurations. You can't just willy-nilly
run either voltage through either configuration.

> >> It's just an induction coil - shouldn't care how much juice it gets as
> >> long as it's not so much that it blows.

How much stuff DO you blow up at your house?



         
Date: 27 May 2007 15:05:23
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point
Howdy Steve!
Other than the LP Europiccola, not much lately. Over the years I've learned
some things; I don't *know* everything, my lack of fear can have negative
results, not every idea turns out to be a good idea, fire is a very *real*
threat, and the firemen & EMS are my heroes (think Tim, The Toolman, Allen).

Ya shoulda seen the R&D department at the old shop in Burbank, CA. It had to
be repainted to hide mistakes three times, otherwise it tended to frighten
clients.

{;-)

--
Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.


"Steve Ackman" <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com > wrote in message
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> How much stuff DO you blow up at your house?
>




      
Date: 27 May 2007 00:22:47
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: I like a bargain - a rant with a point
"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote: