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Date: 17 Jan 2007 08:12:51
From: GeeDubb
Subject: Illegal coffee growers
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070117/ap_on_sc/indonesia_coffee_national_park




 
Date: 18 Jan 2007 12:50:17
From: Doug Cadmus
Subject: Re: Illegal coffee growers
Ivo van der Putten wrote:
> "Doug Cadmus" <decadmus@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
> news:1169047811.260165.244440@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > To be clear (which the referenced article is not) this is a problem
> > that has been going on for years.
> >
> > Bukit Barisan Selatan National Park is listed as a UNESCO World
> > Heritage Site. Nonetheless, it's become home to 25 to 30 thousand
> > displaced people, and has been subjected to intense logging, and
> > subsequent cultivation of sun-loving robusta coffee on the cleared
> > land.
> >
> > It's yet another reason not to buy the cheap stuff...
>
> Correct and deprive the displaced people, although they have Governments
> permits to live and grow foods in the area, from their coffee earnings of at
> least $ 300 per year . .
> First Java immigrants started already to move in in the early 1960's, should
> we chase them out now?

I question the legality and suitability of such permits given the
importance of this wildlife refuge, and the agreements Indonesia made
with the world at large when the park was granted Heritage Site status,
which secured millions of dollars of grants and direct aid and support
to local NGOs to protect the site.
(See, for example,
http://www.cepf.net/xp/cepf/news/newsletter/2004/july_topstory.xml)
Further, given the method -- clearcutting the forest and planting
robusta -- I have grave doubts about the sustainability of this
cultivation.

I advocate not buying coffee grown here for the same reason that I
advocate not buying elephant ivory, or rhino horns or *any* product
that comes from poaching or encroaching on endagered species and
habitats; not because I wish ill of those who are surely only trying to
feed their families, but because eliminating the demand for the product
is a critical step toward eliminating the practices that create the
supply.

-deCadmus



  
Date: 18 Jan 2007 14:35:28
From:
Subject: Re: Illegal coffee growers
On 18 Jan 2007 12:50:17 -0800, "Doug Cadmus" <decadmus@gmail.com >
wrote:

>Ivo van der Putten wrote:
>> "Doug Cadmus" <decadmus@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
>> news:1169047811.260165.244440@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>I advocate not buying coffee grown here for the same reason that I
>advocate not buying elephant ivory, or rhino horns or *any* product
>that comes from poaching or encroaching on endagered species and
>habitats; not because I wish ill of those who are surely only trying to
>feed their families, but because eliminating the demand for the product
>is a critical step toward eliminating the practices that create the
>supply.
>
>-deCadmus

Thank you for saying that Doug. I do remember that smoke could be
seen for years, from space ,due to the slashing and burning in the
Amazon in order to grow coffee.

We need to always think *sustainable* to give our earth the chance it
deserves.

aloha,
Cea
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roast beans to Kona to reply
Farmers of pure Kona Coffee:)


 
Date: 17 Jan 2007 07:30:11
From: Doug Cadmus
Subject: Re: Illegal coffee growers
To be clear (which the referenced article is not) this is a problem
that has been going on for years.

Bukit Barisan Selatan National Park is listed as a UNESCO World
Heritage Site. Nonetheless, it's become home to 25 to 30 thousand
displaced people, and has been subjected to intense logging, and
subsequent cultivation of sun-loving robusta coffee on the cleared
land.

It's yet another reason not to buy the cheap stuff...


GeeDubb wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070117/ap_on_sc/indonesia_coffee_national_park



  
Date: 18 Jan 2007 11:41:08
From: Ivo van der Putten
Subject: Re: Illegal coffee growers

"Doug Cadmus" <decadmus@gmail.com > schreef in bericht
news:1169047811.260165.244440@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> To be clear (which the referenced article is not) this is a problem
> that has been going on for years.
>
> Bukit Barisan Selatan National Park is listed as a UNESCO World
> Heritage Site. Nonetheless, it's become home to 25 to 30 thousand
> displaced people, and has been subjected to intense logging, and
> subsequent cultivation of sun-loving robusta coffee on the cleared
> land.
>
> It's yet another reason not to buy the cheap stuff...
>
>
> GeeDubb wrote:
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070117/ap_on_sc/indonesia_coffee_national_park
>

Correct and deprive the displaced people, although they have Governments
permits to live and grow foods in the area, from their coffee earnings of at
least $ 300 per year . .
First Java immigrants started already to move in in the early 1960's, should
we chase them out now?

If we all buy only the good stuff, the cheap coffees will become very
expensive, so we can be these again.

In the report Indonesia is mentioned as 2nd largest robusta producer in the
world, I think that even we know that Vietnam is nr 1 with 15 mio bags,
Brazil is nr 2 with 10 mio bags and Indonesia a mere 3rd with a pitiful 6
mio bags.
How serious is the report ??
One of the recommendation in the report is that the Government stops the
issuing of illegal permits . .