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Date: 05 Dec 2006 06:26:43
From: Ale
Subject: I'm Confused
In my upgrade process I began considering the Venus with PID, some
recommended to evaluate getting a HX, as the Anita. This because of
the consistency of temperature, the frothing advantage, among other
stuff. After reading a lot, I decided to get an Anita with a M4.

Now I have noticed that isn't as simple like that. The HX needs a
cooling flush to get the appropriate temperature and to monitor it a
mod must be installed. My doubt is: when is necessary to make the
cooling flush? Before each espresso?

Thanks for your comments and help

Julio





 
Date: 12 Dec 2006 16:25:47
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Confused
Yeah, but what you fail to realize is the joke's always been on you.

Robert
daveb wrote:
> what a joke.



  
Date: 12 Dec 2006 19:45:13
From: Cliff Heller
Subject: Re: Confused
"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@hotmail.com > writes:

> Yeah, but what you fail to realize is the joke's always been on you.
>
> Robert
> daveb wrote:
> > what a joke.

Wow... two top posters throwing one line flames at each other.

I'm having flashbacks to 1988... September.




--
"Letters may be used to construct words, phrases and sentences that may be
deemed offensive."
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Date: 12 Dec 2006 15:35:02
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Confused
what a joke.



 
Date: 11 Dec 2006 15:44:33
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Confused
I personally brought such examples of quality to the attention of the
very pleasant but very english limited Gianni Casaliggi when I was at
the SCAA show in Charlotte this year.

He handed me a kilo of coffee and thanked me. I am certain he did not
understand anything I was saying.

Grazie!!

Dave



Ed Needham wrote:
> Sounds like some major quality control issues. Those I've casually looked
> at seemed pretty solid, but it was only a once over, not an inspection.
> --
> *********************
> Ed Needham=AE
> "to absurdity and beyond!"
> http://www.homeroaster.com
> (include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
> *********************
>
>
> "I->Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:qhgrn25g959oj14cqqmedsf3c3oini5hvj@4ax.com...
> > My Isomac Gran Banshee, I mean Macinino, had three different size
> > screws, all with different heads, holding the motor and gear assembly
> > to the chassis, the spacers were .040 different giving a nice tapered
> > look if you didn't mind the gap, one of the bolts in the gear case was
> > stripped, the upper burr carrier is about .030" too small, the wiring
> > - egads!
> >
> > Once the above were rectified, it's a nice, but noisy, drip grinder.



  
Date: 11 Dec 2006 23:50:22
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Confused
On 11 Dec 2006 15:44:33 -0800, "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:

> I am certain he did not
>understand anything I was saying.

Reading some of the responses to your posts, no one does. <ebg >


 
Date: 11 Dec 2006 08:21:09
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Confused
[There is a joke in there somewhere, Ed]


or the UNcrimped connectors I've seen. -- roll of the dice I guess.

Dave


Ed Needham wrote:
> That's incredibly tacky for a high end home/small commercial machine.
> --
>



 
Date: 08 Dec 2006 12:32:53
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Confused
If I got any more business, Danny, I'd have to get a bigger space.

and employees.

cheers, mate.

Dave
185
www.hitechespresso.com



 
Date: 08 Dec 2006 11:32:09
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Confused
nothing too serious:

SSR mounted with double stick foam tape
UNcrimped connectors
leaks.


Ed Needham wrote:
> I think it would be helpful if you elaborated a bit on why you have this
> opinion.
> --
> *********************
> Ed Needham=AE
> "to absurdity and beyond!"
> http://www.homeroaster.com
> (include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
> *********************
>
> "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165522242.243436.320080@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
> > Let's do this, danny. You don't criticise MY posts and I don't
> > criticise yours?
> >
> > OK?
> >
> > BTW "No isomacs" is very informative.
> >
> > thanx
> >
> > dave
> > Danny wrote:
> >> daveb wrote:
> >> > NO isomacs.
> >>
> >> Instead of one line replies with zero information, why don't you
> >> expand on why you don't recommend a particular machine, which might
> >> help the OP better.



  
Date: 11 Dec 2006 00:50:39
From: Ed Needham
Subject: Re: Confused
They come from the factory like that?
--
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*********************

"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165606329.859339.302080@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
nothing too serious:

SSR mounted with double stick foam tape
UNcrimped connectors
leaks.




   
Date: 11 Dec 2006 20:45:37
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Confused
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:50:39 -0500, "Ed Needham"
<ed@NOSPAMhomeroaster.com > wrote:

>--
>*********************
>Ed Needham®
>"to absurdity and beyond!"
>http://www.homeroaster.com
>(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
>*********************
>
>"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1165606329.859339.302080@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>nothing too serious:
>
>SSR mounted with double stick foam tape
>UNcrimped connectors
>leaks.

My Isomac Gran Banshee, I mean Macinino, had three different size
screws, all with different heads, holding the motor and gear assembly
to the chassis, the spacers were .040 different giving a nice tapered
look if you didn't mind the gap, one of the bolts in the gear case was
stripped, the upper burr carrier is about .030" too small, the wiring
- egads!

Once the above were rectified, it's a nice, but noisy, drip grinder.


    
Date: 11 Dec 2006 16:40:45
From: Ed Needham
Subject: Re: Confused
Sounds like some major quality control issues. Those I've casually looked
at seemed pretty solid, but it was only a once over, not an inspection.
--
*********************
Ed Needham®
"to absurdity and beyond!"
http://www.homeroaster.com
(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
*********************


"I- >Ian" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:qhgrn25g959oj14cqqmedsf3c3oini5hvj@4ax.com...
> My Isomac Gran Banshee, I mean Macinino, had three different size
> screws, all with different heads, holding the motor and gear assembly
> to the chassis, the spacers were .040 different giving a nice tapered
> look if you didn't mind the gap, one of the bolts in the gear case was
> stripped, the upper burr carrier is about .030" too small, the wiring
> - egads!
>
> Once the above were rectified, it's a nice, but noisy, drip grinder.




   
Date: 11 Dec 2006 09:23:39
From: Dan Bollinger
Subject: Re: Confused
> They come from the factory like that?

Ed, My Isomac Millenium had its factory installed SSR mounted with double-sticky
tape. It lasted about a year before it blew. Replaced it with a higher amp
version, bolted down and bedded in thermal grease and 3 years later it is still
running fine. Other than that, I have no issues with Isomacs. One importer said
that the factory stopped using double-sticky tape about two years ago.

Dan




    
Date: 11 Dec 2006 11:15:06
From: Ed Needham
Subject: Re: Confused
That's incredibly tacky for a high end home/small commercial machine.
--
*********************
Ed Needham®
"to absurdity and beyond!"
http://www.homeroaster.com
(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
*********************

"Dan Bollinger" <danNObollinger@insightSPAMbb.com > wrote in message
news:cdOdnfH7it9x9ODYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>> They come from the factory like that?
>
> Ed, My Isomac Millenium had its factory installed SSR mounted with
> double-sticky tape. It lasted about a year before it blew. Replaced it
> with a higher amp version, bolted down and bedded in thermal grease and 3
> years later it is still running fine. Other than that, I have no issues
> with Isomacs. One importer said that the factory stopped using
> double-sticky tape about two years ago.
>
> Dan
>
>




 
Date: 08 Dec 2006 09:22:29
From: Ale
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
Hey, what happen with my topic?????




On Dec 5, 10:26 am, "Ale" <juliocoll...@gmail.com > wrote:
> In my upgrade process I began considering the Venus with PID, some
> recommended to evaluate getting a HX, as the Anita. This because of
> the consistency of temperature, the frothing advantage, among other
> stuff. After reading a lot, I decided to get an Anita with a M4.
>
> Now I have noticed that isn't as simple like that. The HX needs a
> cooling flush to get the appropriate temperature and to monitor it a
> mod must be installed. My doubt is: when is necessary to make the
> cooling flush? Before each espresso?
>
> Thanks for your comments and help
>
> Julio



 
Date: 08 Dec 2006 07:51:05
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Confused
Danny,

I don't care about you -- your lectures -- or your nitpicking. -- I
don't know when I ever gave the impression that I did.

but by all means continue, especially during those slow periods at your
'cart'.

Dave
184



Danny wrote:
> daveb wrote:
> > Let's do this, danny. You don't criticise MY posts and I don't
> > criticise yours?
> >
> > OK?
> >
> > BTW "No isomacs" is very informative.
> >
> > thanx
> >
> > dave
>
> Actually, it's not at all informative. If you have qualitative
> reasons to not recommend a machine, then share them and help the OP out.
>
> Regarding the rest of my message, this is a news group, and it's very
> unhelpful to keep changing the subject line (likewise your posting
> names) and to keep reposting (although I gave you a way out, since
> those who insist on using Google seem to need to keep pressing send
> rather than waiting the time it takes to propgate posts, which is the
> way usenet works). Google isn't usenet, it's a web front end to the
> archive.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)



  
Date: 08 Dec 2006 18:26:34
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Confused
daveb wrote:
> Danny,
>
> I don't care about you -- your lectures -- or your nitpicking. -- I
> don't know when I ever gave the impression that I did.
>
> but by all means continue, especially during those slow periods at your
> 'cart'.
>
> Dave
> 184
>

I wasn't lecturing you Dave, just hoping you would firstly give a
decent reasoned answer to the OP, and secondly, use a news group
correctly.

But great, I'll carry on politely requesting that you at least try to
stay within the boundaries of usenet etiquette and give helpful
replies whilst you continue spamming your business, and your less than
helpful as well as sometimes rude posts will be archived for others to
see who they would be dealing with if they ever thought of doing
business with you.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)



   
Date: 08 Dec 2006 19:21:36
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Confused
Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in news:4ttp14F15s1tpU1
@mid.individual.net:

> daveb wrote:
>> Danny,
>>
>> I don't care about you -- your lectures -- or your nitpicking. -- I
>> don't know when I ever gave the impression that I did.
>>
>> but by all means continue, especially during those slow periods at your
>> 'cart'.
>>
>> Dave
>> 184
>>
>
> I wasn't lecturing you Dave, just hoping you would firstly give a
> decent reasoned answer to the OP, and secondly, use a news group
> correctly.
>
> But great, I'll carry on politely requesting that you at least try to
> stay within the boundaries of usenet etiquette and give helpful
> replies whilst you continue spamming your business, and your less than
> helpful as well as sometimes rude posts will be archived for others to
> see who they would be dealing with if they ever thought of doing
> business with you.
>
>

WAAAAAAAAAAA! WAAAAAAAAAAA!
As someone once said; "Go to alt.crybaby to continue this thread." ;)

Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
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Date: 08 Dec 2006 19:31:39
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Confused
Robert Harmon wrote:

> WAAAAAAAAAAA! WAAAAAAAAAAA!
> As someone once said; "Go to alt.crybaby to continue this thread." ;)
>
> Robert (duck & cover) Harmon

And you can piss off too


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)



     
Date: 08 Dec 2006 20:46:54
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Confused
Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in news:4ttsr5F15lc3uU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Robert Harmon wrote:
>
>> WAAAAAAAAAAA! WAAAAAAAAAAA!
>> As someone once said; "Go to alt.crybaby to continue this thread." ;)
>>
>> Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
>
> And you can piss off too
>
>

Gotcha, mutha!

Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
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Date: 09 Dec 2006 14:00:04
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Confused
Robert Harmon wrote:

> Gotcha, mutha!

You'll need to translate that if i'm to understand the meaning.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)



       
Date: 09 Dec 2006 11:54:04
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Confused

"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:4tvtpeF161l4vU1@mid.individual.net...
> Robert Harmon wrote:
>
>> Gotcha, mutha!
>
> You'll need to translate that if i'm to understand the meaning.
>
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>

I believe good ol' Robert means Mutha = Mother Fucker.. {:-o {:-O
Craig.



        
Date: 10 Dec 2006 14:35:14
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Confused
Craig Andrews wrote:
>
> I believe good ol' Robert means Mutha = Mother Fucker.. {:-o {:-O
> Craig.

Thanks for the education. Does that mean he doesn't like me?


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)



         
Date: 10 Dec 2006 18:47:33
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Confused
Danny <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in news:4u2k7aF16ji77U1
@mid.individual.net:

> Craig Andrews wrote:
>>
>> I believe good ol' Robert means Mutha = Mother Fucker.. {:-o {:-O
>> Craig.
>
> Thanks for the education. Does that mean he doesn't like me?
>
>
Howdy Danny!
I sincerely apologize for my bad manners. I neither dislike or like you (in
fact, I don't even know you), but I do admire the quality of your posts.
Again I do most sincerely apologize to you for my bad manners.

Robert (mea culpa) Harmon
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Date: 10 Dec 2006 18:39:44
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Confused
Robert Harmon wrote:

> Howdy Danny!
> I sincerely apologize for my bad manners. I neither dislike or like you (in
> fact, I don't even know you), but I do admire the quality of your posts.
> Again I do most sincerely apologize to you for my bad manners.
>
> Robert (mea culpa) Harmon

No problem. I was surprised at your post, since I thought you
wouldn't dissaprove of my at least attempting to get Dave to follow
usenet etiquette even if he will not post anything useful or stop
shilling his business in a non-commercial group. I'm a glutton for
punishment and occasionally feel the need to trim his feathers before
he makes this group any more unenjoyable.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/EU ordering for Malabar Gold blend)



     
Date: 08 Dec 2006 14:48:40
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Confused

"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:4ttsr5F15lc3uU1@mid.individual.net...
> Robert Harmon wrote:
>
>> WAAAAAAAAAAA! WAAAAAAAAAAA!
>> As someone once said; "Go to alt.crybaby to continue this thread."
>> ;)
>>
>> Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
>
> And you can piss off too
>
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>

Yeah, go piss Up A Rope 'dude"! lol!! {;-D
Craig.



      
Date: 08 Dec 2006 12:33:07
From: Johnny
Subject: Re: Confused

"Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com > wrote in message
news:4tttsnF15qlgeU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com> wrote in message
> news:4ttsr5F15lc3uU1@mid.individual.net...
> > Robert Harmon wrote:
> >
> >> WAAAAAAAAAAA! WAAAAAAAAAAA!
> >> As someone once said; "Go to alt.crybaby to continue this thread."
> >> ;)
> >>
> >> Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
> >
> > And you can piss off too
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards, Danny
> >
>
> Yeah, go piss Up A Rope 'dude"! lol!! {;-D
> Craig.
>
and u 2 ;-)

(if it were DAVe he'd have changed the subject to PID'ing a rope)




       
Date: 08 Dec 2006 15:39:42
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Confused

"Johnny" <removethis.huuanito@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:rZjeh.14347$ej3.12314@newsfe16.phx...
>
> "Craig Andrews" <alt.coffee@deletethis.rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:4tttsnF15qlgeU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com> wrote in message
>> news:4ttsr5F15lc3uU1@mid.individual.net...
>> > Robert Harmon wrote:
>> >
>> >> WAAAAAAAAAAA! WAAAAAAAAAAA!
>> >> As someone once said; "Go to alt.crybaby to continue this thread."
>> >> ;)
>> >>
>> >> Robert (duck & cover) Harmon
>> >
>> > And you can piss off too
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards, Danny
>> >
>>
>> Yeah, go piss Up A Rope 'dude"! lol!! {;-D
>> Craig.
>>
> and u 2 ;-)
>
> (if it were DAVe he'd have changed the subject to PID'ing a rope)
>
>

No wait!, Andy S has already done that ages ago!! {;-)
Craig.



  
Date: 08 Dec 2006 10:03:40
From: n00bie
Subject: Re: Confused
finding the keyboard operational DAVe <davebobblane@gmail.com > pecked out a
snype to a well-respected member of the alt.coffee community in message
news:1165593065.826440.164330@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Danny,
>
> I don't care about you -- your lectures -- or your nitpicking. -- I
> don't know when I ever gave the impression that I did.
>
> but by all means continue, especially during those slow periods at your
> 'cart'.
>
> Dave
> 184
>

DAVe: go back to ebay. Go directly to ebay, do not pass a.c.
If you can't respect newsgroup convention (and you clearly can't) then
don't post.
We have your phone and email many times over so you don't need to tell us
yet again. Just leave.
Don't call us we'll call you...




 
Date: 08 Dec 2006 07:46:50
From: daveb
Subject: Confused by support avialability??
Has parts and support availability figured into your list?

if not -- it SHOULD.

dAVE



  
Date: 08 Dec 2006 17:12:40
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Confused by support avialability??
On 8 Dec 2006 07:46:50 -0800, "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:

>Has parts and support availability figured into your list?
>
>if not -- it SHOULD.
>
>dAVE

How will the OP see this post after you changed the subject line?
Idiot.


 
Date: 08 Dec 2006 02:28:10
From: Ale
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
The Vibiemme Black it's in $1,299.00

http://www.1st-line.com/machines/comm_mod/esprmach/vibiemme/vibiemme_manual_black.htm

Vibiemme Domobar Super Manual Black
Tank Commercial Espresso Machine
Item# DS1GMAVANE
Regular Price: $1,414.00
Sale Price: $1,299.00


Please add to the list the Wega Lyra or Mini

Thz

Julio




On Dec 7, 4:40 pm, Bradley <nos...@127.0.0.1 > wrote:
> On 7 Dec 2006 07:44:47 -0800, "Ale" <juliocoll...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Which one?
>
> >1. Anita $999.00
> >2. Fiorenzato Bricoletta $999.00 after rebate
> >3. Isomac Tea II $1,099.00
> >4. Isomac Millenium II $1,199.00
> >5. Vibiemme Domoba $1,299.00
>
> >JulioJust in time for Christmas, the price of the Vibiemme Super Manual
> Stainless has just increased from $1,299 to $1,459 (a touch more than
> 12%). New price seen at both Stefano's and 1st-Line. This puts the
> price roughly on par with the rotary pump, convertible Alex Izzo vs.
> the Vibiemme's 41 watt Ulka cited on Stefano's page
>
> Brad



 
Date: 07 Dec 2006 14:47:37
From: jggall01
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
Omniryx@gmail.com wrote:

> Jim (Gallt), can you supply stuff to PID an Andreja or an Alex?
>

A knowledgeable person could probably tweak one of our kits and pull it
off, but we don't have anything designed specifically for these HX
machines (our product development staff is getting further behind all
the time).

Judging from sales and RFI's through our web site, there must still be
a few not-yet-PID'd Silvia's out there. So we'll be content with
shipping out [x] Silvia kits each month and leave the HX mod's alone
for now.

But we're always open to offering advice (worth exactly what it costs)
and having PID conversations with folks - even with Robert ;-}

Jim
www.PIDKits.com



  
Date: 07 Dec 2006 23:15:27
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
"jggall01" <jggall01@yahoo.com > wrote in news:1165531657.042094.42720
@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> But we're always open to offering advice (worth exactly what it costs)
> and having PID conversations with folks - even with Robert ;-}
>
> Jim
> www.PIDKits.com
>
>

All right - enough with the 'cheap' shots Jim! From now on I'll pay you
what your advice is worth, but then you'll owe me money!

;-}

Robert (PID's are simple - would I do ii if wasn't?) Harmon
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Date: 07 Dec 2006 10:57:05
From: daveb
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
NO isomacs.


Ale wrote:
> Which one?
>
> 1. Anita $999.00
> 2. Fiorenzato Bricoletta $999.00 after rebate
> 3. Isomac Tea II $1,099.00
> 4. Isomac Millenium II $1,199.00
> 5. Vibiemme Domoba $1,299.00
>
> Julio
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 10:26 am, "Ale" <juliocoll...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In my upgrade process I began considering the Venus with PID, some
> > recommended to evaluate getting a HX, as the Anita. This because of
> > the consistency of temperature, the frothing advantage, among other
> > stuff. After reading a lot, I decided to get an Anita with a M4.
> >
> > Now I have noticed that isn't as simple like that. The HX needs a
> > cooling flush to get the appropriate temperature and to monitor it a
> > mod must be installed. My doubt is: when is necessary to make the
> > cooling flush? Before each espresso?
> >
> > Thanks for your comments and help
> >
> > Julio



  
Date: 07 Dec 2006 20:03:21
From: Danny
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
daveb wrote:
> NO isomacs.

Instead of one line replies with zero information, why don't you
expand on why you don't recommend a particular machine, which might
help the OP better.

By the way, although I'm sure it's a result of you not using a news
client to read newsgroups, but would you mind refraining from posting
everything twice and changing the subject line in most of your posts.
The subject line is there for a purpose - to group together posts in
a thread. You could of course use a news client such as Agent (or
even the news client built into Mozilla etc) at zero cost apart from a
nominal charge for a news service, such as individual.net.


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Date: 07 Dec 2006 10:55:27
From: daveb
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
NO isomacs.


Ale wrote:
> Which one?
>
> 1. Anita $999.00
> 2. Fiorenzato Bricoletta $999.00 after rebate
> 3. Isomac Tea II $1,099.00
> 4. Isomac Millenium II $1,199.00
> 5. Vibiemme Domoba $1,299.00
>
> Julio
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 5, 10:26 am, "Ale" <juliocoll...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In my upgrade process I began considering the Venus with PID, some
> > recommended to evaluate getting a HX, as the Anita. This because of
> > the consistency of temperature, the frothing advantage, among other
> > stuff. After reading a lot, I decided to get an Anita with a M4.
> >
> > Now I have noticed that isn't as simple like that. The HX needs a
> > cooling flush to get the appropriate temperature and to monitor it a
> > mod must be installed. My doubt is: when is necessary to make the
> > cooling flush? Before each espresso?
> >
> > Thanks for your comments and help
> >
> > Julio



 
Date: 07 Dec 2006 07:44:47
From: Ale
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
Which one?

1. Anita $999.00
2. Fiorenzato Bricoletta $999.00 after rebate
3. Isomac Tea II $1,099.00
4. Isomac Millenium II $1,199.00
5. Vibiemme Domoba $1,299.00

Julio








On Dec 5, 10:26 am, "Ale" <juliocoll...@gmail.com > wrote:
> In my upgrade process I began considering the Venus with PID, some
> recommended to evaluate getting a HX, as the Anita. This because of
> the consistency of temperature, the frothing advantage, among other
> stuff. After reading a lot, I decided to get an Anita with a M4.
>
> Now I have noticed that isn't as simple like that. The HX needs a
> cooling flush to get the appropriate temperature and to monitor it a
> mod must be installed. My doubt is: when is necessary to make the
> cooling flush? Before each espresso?
>
> Thanks for your comments and help
>
> Julio



  
Date: 07 Dec 2006 20:40:59
From: Bradley
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
On 7 Dec 2006 07:44:47 -0800, "Ale" <juliocollazo@gmail.com > wrote:

>Which one?
>
>1. Anita $999.00
>2. Fiorenzato Bricoletta $999.00 after rebate
>3. Isomac Tea II $1,099.00
>4. Isomac Millenium II $1,199.00
>5. Vibiemme Domoba $1,299.00
>
>Julio
>

Just in time for Christmas, the price of the Vibiemme Super Manual
Stainless has just increased from $1,299 to $1,459 (a touch more than
12%). New price seen at both Stefano's and 1st-Line. This puts the
price roughly on par with the rotary pump, convertible Alex Izzo vs.
the Vibiemme's 41 watt Ulka cited on Stefano's page

Brad


 
Date: 07 Dec 2006 05:23:56
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
Just to broaden our horizons, here...

Jim (Gallt), can you supply stuff to PID an Andreja or an Alex?

Might as well know all our options.


akiley wrote:
> Dave, Can you PID my Andreja Premium? Or do you sell a kit for a do
> it yourself install?



  
Date: 07 Dec 2006 13:57:17
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
"Omniryx@gmail.com" <Omniryx@gmail.com > wrote in
news:1165497836.391412.305400@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com:

> Just to broaden our horizons, here...
>
> Jim (Gallt), can you supply stuff to PID an Andreja or an Alex?
>
> Might as well know all our options.
>
>
> akiley wrote:
>> Dave, Can you PID my Andreja Premium? Or do you sell a kit for a do
>> it yourself install?
>
>

If Jim can't (won't) provide a kit he does provide great help in making the
conversion. With his advice I converted a Bunn ES-1A to PID & am working on
a Nuovo Simonelli Mac Digit. Once a good plan of attack is developed the
actual work takes but a few hours to complete.

Robert (If it's simple enough for me to do, anyone can do it!) Harmon
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Date: 06 Dec 2006 17:17:11
From: daveb
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
Certainly.


please feel free to contact me at your convenience.

Dave

www.hitechespresso.com



 
Date: 06 Dec 2006 14:48:29
From: akiley
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
Dave, Can you PID my Andreja Premium? Or do you sell a kit for a do
it yourself install?

Thanks ... aKiley

daveb wrote:
> Q: "Dave, does a PID fitted HX machine, still require cooling flushes?"
> >Bertie
>
>
> A: no. YOU are in control.
>
> Any good HX machine -- but non Isomac, non oscar.
>
> Folks are LOVING my 'pid' Quick Mills!
>
> :-
>
> dave
>
>
>
> Ale wrote:
> > Daved, what machine you recommend me?
> >
> > On Dec 6, 10:59 am, "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > WHAT A HUGE pain in the butt.



 
Date: 06 Dec 2006 08:10:50
From: daveb
Subject: Re: I'm Confused

Q: "Dave, does a PID fitted HX machine, still require cooling flushes?"
>Bertie


A: no. YOU are in control.

Any good HX machine -- but non Isomac, non oscar.

Folks are LOVING my 'pid' Quick Mills!

:-

dave



Ale wrote:
> Daved, what machine you recommend me?
>
> On Dec 6, 10:59 am, "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > WHAT A HUGE pain in the butt.



 
Date: 06 Dec 2006 08:06:00
From: daveb
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
yup, but it will come WITH one installed!


Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> In article <1165419364.101337.74010@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>,
> "Ale" <juliocollazo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Daved, what machine you recommend me?
> >
> > On Dec 6, 10:59 am, "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > WHAT A HUGE pain in the butt.
>
> You can bet whatever he recommends will just have to have a PID! ;-)



 
Date: 06 Dec 2006 07:36:04
From: Ale
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
Daved, what machine you recommend me?

On Dec 6, 10:59 am, "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> WHAT A HUGE pain in the butt.



  
Date: 06 Dec 2006 09:45:52
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
In article <1165419364.101337.74010@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com >,
"Ale" <juliocollazo@gmail.com > wrote:

> Daved, what machine you recommend me?
>
> On Dec 6, 10:59 am, "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > WHAT A HUGE pain in the butt.

You can bet whatever he recommends will just have to have a PID! ;-)


 
Date: 06 Dec 2006 06:59:58
From: daveb
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
WHAT A HUGE pain in the butt.



 
Date: 05 Dec 2006 20:47:44
From: akiley
Subject: Re: I'm Confused

Ale wrote:
> In my upgrade process I began considering the Venus with PID, some
> recommended to evaluate getting a HX, as the Anita. This because of
> the consistency of temperature, the frothing advantage, among other
> stuff. After reading a lot, I decided to get an Anita with a M4.
>
> Now I have noticed that isn't as simple like that. The HX needs a
> cooling flush to get the appropriate temperature and to monitor it a
> mod must be installed. My doubt is: when is necessary to make the
> cooling flush? Before each espresso?
>
> Thanks for your comments and help
>
> Julio

I upgraded over the course of 8 years from a lower end Gaggia, then a
Silvia and now a Quick Mill Andreja Premium with a Rocky grinder.
I've been roasting my own green for 6 months.

For the cooling flush 22 seconds if the machine has been preheated at
least 25 minutes or more, and it's your first shot. But to check my
temps, I got a digital thermometer here,
http://sweetias.com/prod.roastkits.shtml and put the probe in a very
shallow styraphome cup. Apparently to get 191 degrees at the top of
the coffee, you subtract a few degrees for a good reading of the
cooling flush into the styro cup below the empty portafilter. It seems
like a lot to do, but 22 seconds gets me 191 degrees every time, so I
don't bother with taking readings any more. You can also try a longer
or shorter cooling flush and you should notice a taste change.

Subsequent shots are the correct temp after a few minutes like about
the time it would take to dump the puck, and froth a milk.

I bought the kit to plumb my Andreja myself which is such a relief and
time saver. The noise of the motor doesn't bother me at all. I'm
getting amazing straight shots out of this machine. Also with the
correct frothing tip and just the right amount of milk, I can get
microfoam to die for. The tip that comes with the Andreja is for
frothing a big thing of milk. I got a small tip from espressoparts.com
and it works best for about 5 oz of milk in a small frothing pitcher.
... aKiley



 
Date: 05 Dec 2006 08:27:40
From: Ale
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
Thanks for the info Lloyd and good luck with the Alex.


Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> In article <1165329939.905996.79740@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
> "Ale" <juliocollazo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I read it but i'm not sure if is necessary with each shot or when.
> >
> > Lloyd, why you choose the Alex instead of the Quickmill
> >
> > ths,
> >
> > Julio
>
> From reading all over the net, I think that it really depends on what
> you want in the cup. And that is what all the temp stability is about.
> So when my HX comes in, I expect to be doing plenty of experimenting to
> get it the way I want in the cup, nothing else matters.
>
> I saw a table somewhere about how long to flush based on how long the
> machine sat idle. And another place said that you only needed to do it
> for the first cup if you were doing many cups in a row.
>
> So the answer is do the flush before the first cup if it has been
> sitting idle to bring the temp down. How long and how long after the
> flush do you make the cup? I'm not sure. That seems like it will take
> some fiddling. But if it turns out like my Silvia, once I get the feel
> for it, it will be automatic.
>
> I think the reason it is so personal is the difference in our taste
> buds. There are some that say they can tell the difference with just a
> 1 degree change in temp, I can't. So I suspect that my flushing will
> not need to be as precise as those with those educated taste buds.
>
> The Quickmill product was definitely in the running right up to the very
> end. And the decision was because of features, not quality. The
> quality of both, heck the quality of all the E61 HXs is superb. It is
> what made it so difficult.
>
> But in the end, I had the money and the Alex had the two features over
> and above everyone else.
>
> 1. Plumb-in or pourover at the flip of a switch.
>
> 2. Rotary pump in a pourover
>
> #1 is important because it allows me to run in plumbed in at the house.
> Much more convenient than pourover. Depending on exactly where I
> install it, I may also have direct drain. I'll know that when I get it
> in and get it out of the box. It is big, you know.
>
> #2, I like relative quiet and the rotary pump does that. No other
> pourover has a rotary pump.



 
Date: 05 Dec 2006 06:45:40
From: Ale
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
I read it but i'm not sure if is necessary with each shot or when.

Lloyd, why you choose the Alex instead of the Quickmill

ths,

Julio


Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> In article <1165328803.131364.29520@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>,
> "Ale" <juliocollazo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In my upgrade process I began considering the Venus with PID, some
> > recommended to evaluate getting a HX, as the Anita. This because of
> > the consistency of temperature, the frothing advantage, among other
> > stuff. After reading a lot, I decided to get an Anita with a M4.
> >
> > Now I have noticed that isn't as simple like that. The HX needs a
> > cooling flush to get the appropriate temperature and to monitor it a
> > mod must be installed. My doubt is: when is necessary to make the
> > cooling flush? Before each espresso?
> >
> > Thanks for your comments and help
> >
> > Julio
>
> Take a run over to : http://home-barista.com
>
> They have a writeup about HXs and flushing, it is really good.



  
Date: 05 Dec 2006 09:08:27
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
In article <1165329939.905996.79740@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com >,
"Ale" <juliocollazo@gmail.com > wrote:

> I read it but i'm not sure if is necessary with each shot or when.
>
> Lloyd, why you choose the Alex instead of the Quickmill
>
> ths,
>
> Julio

From reading all over the net, I think that it really depends on what
you want in the cup. And that is what all the temp stability is about.
So when my HX comes in, I expect to be doing plenty of experimenting to
get it the way I want in the cup, nothing else matters.

I saw a table somewhere about how long to flush based on how long the
machine sat idle. And another place said that you only needed to do it
for the first cup if you were doing many cups in a row.

So the answer is do the flush before the first cup if it has been
sitting idle to bring the temp down. How long and how long after the
flush do you make the cup? I'm not sure. That seems like it will take
some fiddling. But if it turns out like my Silvia, once I get the feel
for it, it will be automatic.

I think the reason it is so personal is the difference in our taste
buds. There are some that say they can tell the difference with just a
1 degree change in temp, I can't. So I suspect that my flushing will
not need to be as precise as those with those educated taste buds.

The Quickmill product was definitely in the running right up to the very
end. And the decision was because of features, not quality. The
quality of both, heck the quality of all the E61 HXs is superb. It is
what made it so difficult.

But in the end, I had the money and the Alex had the two features over
and above everyone else.

1. Plumb-in or pourover at the flip of a switch.

2. Rotary pump in a pourover

#1 is important because it allows me to run in plumbed in at the house.
Much more convenient than pourover. Depending on exactly where I
install it, I may also have direct drain. I'll know that when I get it
in and get it out of the box. It is big, you know.

#2, I like relative quiet and the rotary pump does that. No other
pourover has a rotary pump.


 
Date: 05 Dec 2006 08:33:35
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: I'm Confused
In article <1165328803.131364.29520@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com >,
"Ale" <juliocollazo@gmail.com > wrote:

> In my upgrade process I began considering the Venus with PID, some
> recommended to evaluate getting a HX, as the Anita. This because of
> the consistency of temperature, the frothing advantage, among other
> stuff. After reading a lot, I decided to get an Anita with a M4.
>
> Now I have noticed that isn't as simple like that. The HX needs a
> cooling flush to get the appropriate temperature and to monitor it a
> mod must be installed. My doubt is: when is necessary to make the
> cooling flush? Before each espresso?
>
> Thanks for your comments and help
>
> Julio

Take a run over to : http://home-barista.com

They have a writeup about HXs and flushing, it is really good.