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Date: 24 Jan 2007 15:19:53
From: glepore
Subject: Issue with Astoria pod machine group- repair ideas?
I picked up an Astoria Prima pod machine for my tavern cheap on ebay-it
was listed
as needing repair, and it does. All electrics function (3 way,
switches, both heaters-one
small one for steam and a boiler which bolts on to the bottom of the
group for brew)
and both pumps (one for steam, one for brew). The machine has a very
nice cast group,
but therein lies the problem-there is something physically blocking the
flow of pressurized
water (or air) from the boiler to the brewhead-in fact, with the group
removed and the
3 way ports physically blocked, I can't get water to drain either from
brew area down or
from inlet up- although it will drain readily thru the 3 way ports when
open.

I left the group in a hot ultrasonic cleaner filled with a commercial
descaler overnight with
no effect. Astoria has not responded to an email. Any ideas???





 
Date: 25 Jan 2007 14:07:12
From: glepore
Subject: Re: Issue with Astoria pod machine group- repair ideas?


That makes sense. I suspect something was physically blocking the inlet
to the brewhead, as with the solenoid energized the water went nowhere,
with it unenergized it went out the vent.



  
Date: 25 Jan 2007 22:25:25
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Issue with Astoria pod machine group- repair ideas?
On 25 Jan 2007 14:07:12 -0800, "glepore" <glepore@comcast.net > wrote:

>
>
>That makes sense. I suspect something was physically blocking the inlet
>to the brewhead, as with the solenoid energized the water went nowhere,
>with it unenergized it went out the vent.


if the coil is shot on the solenoid, then you'll get no flow, too.



 
Date: 25 Jan 2007 07:16:35
From: glepore
Subject: Re: Issue with Astoria pod machine group- repair ideas?


Duh-its an issue with the 3 way or solenoid-if I remove the valve
plunger and cap the outlet, it works.

What was stumping me was that under brew power everything was blocked,
but once power off, the piston would open the relief side.



  
Date: 25 Jan 2007 19:57:10
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Issue with Astoria pod machine group- repair ideas?
On 25 Jan 2007 07:16:35 -0800, "glepore" <glepore@comcast.net > wrote:

>Duh-its an issue with the 3 way or solenoid-if I remove the valve
>plunger and cap the outlet, it works.
>
>What was stumping me was that under brew power everything was blocked,
>but once power off, the piston would open the relief side.

if you remove the three-way valve and block off the exposed ports,
then having no flow between the water inlet and the showerhead is
normal, hence my earlier comment.

normal operation is for the water to flow in to the solenoid valve
through the center port and then out the side port to the brew head.
the solenoid's unactivated state is to have the valve blocking the
water inlet, with the path from brewhead to vent open. when the
solenoid is energized, the vent is closed and the path from water
inlet to brewhead is opened.



 
Date: 25 Jan 2007 05:05:08
From: glepore
Subject: Re: Issue with Astoria pod machine group- repair ideas?


> isn't this normal?

Barry, maybe I wasn't clear enough. With the machine assembled, the
pump runs and builds pressure in the boiler (which is bolted and
oringed to the bottom of a very nice brass group) but the water won't
flow thru the group to the brew area, even with the glicur removed.
With the group removed from the machine, I can't get water (or air
pressure) to flow from the inlet port on the bottom of the group thru
to the outlet in the brew area (or vice versa)-I'm blocking off the 3
way outlets to test this-but with the outlets unblocked, water readily
runs out.

It seems that there is some blockage between the group inlet and
outlet, but that the passage to the three way drain outlet is clear.



 
Date: 25 Jan 2007 03:27:37
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Issue with Astoria pod machine group- repair ideas?
On 24 Jan 2007 15:19:53 -0800, "glepore" <glepore@comcast.net > wrote:

>but therein lies the problem-there is something physically blocking the
>flow of pressurized
>water (or air) from the boiler to the brewhead-in fact, with the group
>removed and the
>3 way ports physically blocked, I can't get water to drain either from
>brew area down or
>from inlet up- although it will drain readily thru the 3 way ports when
>open.
>

isn't this normal?