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Date: 05 Dec 2006 07:27:24
From: shane
Subject: It's the beans, silly..
Eureka! After trying a number of different things to achive the best
quality home espresso, I have realized the biggest single factor is the
beans. Currently I am using a Starbucks Barista espresso machine and
a Mazzer mini grinder.
I have been using Dolce blend from Espresso Vivace. I cannot manage
to pull a bad shot with them. It is amazing, loads of crema sweet
carmely tastes to the espresso. Yummy!
My attepmts at home-roasting have been hit or miss. My homeroast on
my best day has not been as good as that of Vivace. I think the
biggest factor in getting good espresso is the quality of the beans.
Start with good beans from a roaster who knows how to roast espresso
beans and then go from there.

Later, Shane





 
Date: 06 Dec 2006 16:22:33
From: shane
Subject: Re: It's the beans, silly..
I have not tried Vivace green beans. I have tried Sweet ia's
liquid amber, which has some robusta in it too. I have not had as good
of a result with my roasts of liquid amber as I do with the roasted
Dolce blend.

Shane

Cordovero wrote:
> > According to http://www.espressovivace.com/environment.html there is
> > "a bit of coffea robusta included for crema enhancement."
>
> Thank, Ian. Methinks they overdo it a bit. Then again, some folks swear by
> Malabar Gold.
>
> C



 
Date: 05 Dec 2006 11:21:08
From: shane
Subject: Re: It's the beans, silly..
I am using an unmodified Poppery 1. I have produced good results with
it, but would either have to mod it or move up to a roaster with more
controls to get a consistent result.

One thing that I have notice, is by the time I get the type of roast
dialed in for a batch of beans, I am out of them. Using a popper, it
is difficult to match at home what a good micro-roaster can do.


I- >Ian wrote:
> On 5 Dec 2006 09:24:46 -0800, "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com> wrote:
>
> >Yes, I like homeroast for drip coffee. For espresso, I cannot beat a
> >good roastery for quality.
>
> What kind of roaster are you using?



  
Date: 05 Dec 2006 18:12:51
From: Cordovero
Subject: Re: It's the beans, silly..
I also like the Vivace beans quite a lot, though I'm starting to think they
have too much robusta. I get almost too much crema. FWIW, I have no
knowledge of what beans they are using.

Since you like the Dolce and I think that's the one they sell green, it'd be
interesting to have you roast some of it yourself and compare the results.
Is it robusta giving you crema, or their roasting technique?

C

"shane" <shane.olson@juno.com > wrote in message
news:1165346468.403868.267890@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>I am using an unmodified Poppery 1. I have produced good results with
> it, but would either have to mod it or move up to a roaster with more
> controls to get a consistent result.
>
> One thing that I have notice, is by the time I get the type of roast
> dialed in for a batch of beans, I am out of them. Using a popper, it
> is difficult to match at home what a good micro-roaster can do.
>
>
> I->Ian wrote:
>> On 5 Dec 2006 09:24:46 -0800, "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Yes, I like homeroast for drip coffee. For espresso, I cannot beat a
>> >good roastery for quality.
>>
>> What kind of roaster are you using?
>




   
Date: 06 Dec 2006 02:38:04
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: It's the beans, silly..
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:12:51 -0800, "Cordovero"
<cordoveroremovexxx@yahooxxx.com > wrote:

>I also like the Vivace beans quite a lot, though I'm starting to think they
>have too much robusta. I get almost too much crema. FWIW, I have no
>knowledge of what beans they are using.
>
>Since you like the Dolce and I think that's the one they sell green, it'd be
>interesting to have you roast some of it yourself and compare the results.
>Is it robusta giving you crema, or their roasting technique?
>
>C
>
>"shane" <shane.olson@juno.com> wrote in message
>news:1165346468.403868.267890@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>>I am using an unmodified Poppery 1. I have produced good results with
>> it, but would either have to mod it or move up to a roaster with more
>> controls to get a consistent result.
>>
>> One thing that I have notice, is by the time I get the type of roast
>> dialed in for a batch of beans, I am out of them. Using a popper, it
>> is difficult to match at home what a good micro-roaster can do.
>>
>>
>> I->Ian wrote:
>>> On 5 Dec 2006 09:24:46 -0800, "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Yes, I like homeroast for drip coffee. For espresso, I cannot beat a
>>> >good roastery for quality.
>>>
>>> What kind of roaster are you using?
>>
>

According to http://www.espressovivace.com/environment.html there is
"a bit of coffea robusta included for crema enhancement."


    
Date: 05 Dec 2006 20:14:45
From: Cordovero
Subject: Re: It's the beans, silly..

> According to http://www.espressovivace.com/environment.html there is
> "a bit of coffea robusta included for crema enhancement."

Thank, Ian. Methinks they overdo it a bit. Then again, some folks swear by
Malabar Gold.

C




 
Date: 05 Dec 2006 09:24:46
From: shane
Subject: Re: It's the beans, silly..
Yes, I like homeroast for drip coffee. For espresso, I cannot beat a
good roastery for quality.


mandtpr...@gmail.com wrote:
> shane wrote:
> > My attepmts at home-roasting have been hit or miss. My homeroast on
> > my best day has not been as good as that of Vivace. I think the
> > biggest factor in getting good espresso is the quality of the beans.
> > Start with good beans from a roaster who knows how to roast espresso
> > beans and then go from there.
> >
>
> Don't homeroast if you expect to best a well regarded roastery,
> especially for espresso. Not only do they have good beans, they also
> have the best roasters and the people to combine their experience,
> tools and bean catalog to put together a good blend. They also have
> the means to invest time and beans into 'developing' good products,
> which in this sense means throwing crap away until they figure out what
> they are doing.
>
> There are, however, many good reasons to homeroast. I like to tinker
> with new tools and techniques. I like shopping through the sweetias
> offering sheet to find what's in season and what I may have liked in
> the past or what looks good that I haven't tried yet. I like having a
> library of greens from which to choose without having many preroasted
> coffees sitting around staling.
>
> If any of those appeals to you, keep at it. Otherwise, you will
> probably continue to be disappointed.
>
> Matthew



  
Date: 05 Dec 2006 19:08:10
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: It's the beans, silly..
On 5 Dec 2006 09:24:46 -0800, "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com > wrote:

>Yes, I like homeroast for drip coffee. For espresso, I cannot beat a
>good roastery for quality.

What kind of roaster are you using?


 
Date: 05 Dec 2006 09:17:20
From:
Subject: Re: It's the beans, silly..

shane wrote:
> My attepmts at home-roasting have been hit or miss. My homeroast on
> my best day has not been as good as that of Vivace. I think the
> biggest factor in getting good espresso is the quality of the beans.
> Start with good beans from a roaster who knows how to roast espresso
> beans and then go from there.
>

Don't homeroast if you expect to best a well regarded roastery,
especially for espresso. Not only do they have good beans, they also
have the best roasters and the people to combine their experience,
tools and bean catalog to put together a good blend. They also have
the means to invest time and beans into 'developing' good products,
which in this sense means throwing crap away until they figure out what
they are doing.

There are, however, many good reasons to homeroast. I like to tinker
with new tools and techniques. I like shopping through the sweetias
offering sheet to find what's in season and what I may have liked in
the past or what looks good that I haven't tried yet. I like having a
library of greens from which to choose without having many preroasted
coffees sitting around staling.

If any of those appeals to you, keep at it. Otherwise, you will
probably continue to be disappointed.

Matthew