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Date: 11 Dec 2006 07:39:35
From: shane
Subject: Latest GS3 news?
Hi,
Greating from the only slightly frozen northland! Does anyone know
anything new about the La zocco GS3? I have been looking about ona
noticed that the great majority of the information out there about the
machine is six months to a year old. I see that the GS3 is listed on
the La zocco website as a machine that they produce.
I am just curious about the machine as it seems to have generated a lot
of hype. Anyone know if it lives up to the hype?

Shane





 
Date: 14 Dec 2006 18:21:49
From: shane
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
I still would like to hear any real new news on the GS3. Most of the
new out there is almost a year old. I guess I lean towards the
non-tinkering side of the hobby. I can tinker, but it gets old after a
while...

Later, Shane


Barry Jarrett wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:48:05 -0700, "Ken Fox"
> <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >tinkerer or enjoy hacking your own equipment, the GS3 would perhaps give
> >comparable results but at the expense of the "enjoyment" you get from
> >tinkering with your existing gear. In my discussions with other tinkerers,
> >my impression is that there are a bunch of us who enjoy modifying and
> >experimenting with the gear we have. For people like that, a GS3 would take
> >a lot of the fun out of the hobby.
>
> nah, we'd just want to tinker with the GS3! :)
>
>
> --barry "tired of waiting for earthlink to fix their newsservers"
>
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 11:09:35
From:
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
A nice update concerning the GS/3 could be found here:

http://temesblog.blogspot.com/

Best,
- Malte



 
Date: 14 Dec 2006 08:38:00
From: gscace
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
The Mazzer Super Jolly and the Mazzer Kony both have 64mm burrsets. In
my case, comparisons were performed against Mazzer mini, Cimbali Junior
(64mm flat burrset) and the Kony. I couldn't tell any difference
between the mini and the Cimbali, but the Kony produces grinds that
taste distinctly different. It's not a subtle difference. I also own
a Mazzer Robur, which is a very large conical grinder. The Kony and
the Robur produce grinds that taste very similar. Based on these
observations I conclude that there is a noticeable taste difference
between the two burrset styles. My personal opinion is that spending
the 1300 bux for a Kony gives more bang for the upgrade buck than
spending the same money upgrading from a PID Silvia to any hx machine
if the main aim is to produce better espresso (dinner party capacity
excepted). I would presume that the macap conical is also a good
upgrade path, but I've never used one.

Illy has done studies on grind shape / size distribution using laser
tomography (See Espresso Coffee - The Science of Quality, available
from Elsevier Press). Illy prefers conicals.

-Greg




> The only real test might be if a company like Mazzer had the same model
> of grinder, with the only difference being the burrset.
>
> Shane
>
>
> Ken Fox wrote:
> > "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com> wrote in message
> > news:1166107666.356581.121090@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> > > Has anyone compared the results from both grinders under a microscope
> > > or something to see if they are really different?
> > >
> > > In my own experience my planar grinder (MM) grinds better than either
> > > of the two conical grinders I have. (Virtuoso and antique hand mill.)
> > >>From this I have concluded that the precision with which the grinder is
> > > constructed is also a factor.
> > >
> > > Shane
> > >
> >
> > Jim Schulman has done some back and forth taste testing with his Versalab
> > and his MM. I don't think that anyone has published detailed microscopic
> > analysis of grinds in the context of taste testing. You are correct in that
> > the cheap connical grinders can't be compared to the higher end ones, but at
> > the same time most people think that the cheap connical grinders have better
> > results (for espresso) than similarly priced cheap planar grinders.
> >
> > ken



 
Date: 14 Dec 2006 08:09:11
From: shane
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
The only real test might be if a company like Mazzer had the same model
of grinder, with the only difference being the burrset.

Shane


Ken Fox wrote:
> "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:1166107666.356581.121090@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> > Has anyone compared the results from both grinders under a microscope
> > or something to see if they are really different?
> >
> > In my own experience my planar grinder (MM) grinds better than either
> > of the two conical grinders I have. (Virtuoso and antique hand mill.)
> >>From this I have concluded that the precision with which the grinder is
> > constructed is also a factor.
> >
> > Shane
> >
>
> Jim Schulman has done some back and forth taste testing with his Versalab
> and his MM. I don't think that anyone has published detailed microscopic
> analysis of grinds in the context of taste testing. You are correct in that
> the cheap connical grinders can't be compared to the higher end ones, but at
> the same time most people think that the cheap connical grinders have better
> results (for espresso) than similarly priced cheap planar grinders.
>
> ken



 
Date: 14 Dec 2006 06:47:46
From: shane
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
Has anyone compared the results from both grinders under a microscope
or something to see if they are really different?

In my own experience my planar grinder (MM) grinds better than either
of the two conical grinders I have. (Virtuoso and antique hand mill.)
>From this I have concluded that the precision with which the grinder is
constructed is also a factor.

Shane


Andy Schecter wrote:
> Ken Fox wrote:
> > yeah, those old flat-conic DRM burr sets. Should be more or less like a
> > connical, I'd think.
>
> True. After all, the taste of a flat set is "more-or-less" like the taste of a
> conical. :)
>
> --
>
>
> -Andy S.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_s/sets/



  
Date: 14 Dec 2006 08:00:43
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
"shane" <shane.olson@juno.com > wrote in message
news:1166107666.356581.121090@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> Has anyone compared the results from both grinders under a microscope
> or something to see if they are really different?
>
> In my own experience my planar grinder (MM) grinds better than either
> of the two conical grinders I have. (Virtuoso and antique hand mill.)
>>From this I have concluded that the precision with which the grinder is
> constructed is also a factor.
>
> Shane
>

Jim Schulman has done some back and forth taste testing with his Versalab
and his MM. I don't think that anyone has published detailed microscopic
analysis of grinds in the context of taste testing. You are correct in that
the cheap connical grinders can't be compared to the higher end ones, but at
the same time most people think that the cheap connical grinders have better
results (for espresso) than similarly priced cheap planar grinders.

ken




 
Date: 13 Dec 2006 15:08:13
From: gscace
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
I'm helping this thread to veer elsewhere. Planar vs conical is an
interesting question that you can answer by using a good conical and
comparing the taste of espresso produced from conical burr-ground
coffee with that produced by planar burrs. Thos of us who have had
this opportunity are pretty much in the conical camp I think.

-Greg (got more money tied up in grinders than i do in espresso
machines) Scace




shane wrote:
> I really cannot see myself wanting to upgrade my grinder. Unless
> someone comes up with a grinder with a connical burrset that has the
> precison of the MM and is inexpensive too.
>
> I have a Virtuoso, which has a connical burrset, but the construction
> of the grinder does not allow for the sort of precision needed for
> espresso.
>
> Now I am curious. Planar vs Connical? Why use one or the other? Old
> hand grinders had connical burrsets. However, I can see possible
> issues when hooking the same burrs up to a high speed motor. The burrs
> must be mounted right or else wear is an issue.
> I am sure that there are many factor in choosing a burrset that are not
> immediately appearant.
>
> Shane
>
> Ken Fox wrote:
> > "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com> wrote in message
> > news:1165981412.714425.161530@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> > >I quite agree that the grinder is quite important. I ended up with a
> > > Mazzer Mini and it does the job. One of these days I want to upgrade
> > > my espresso machine..
> > >
> > > Shane
> > >
> >
> > The MM is a nice grinder and you should be able to produce grounds as good
> > as from any planar grinder with it.
> >
> > ken



  
Date: 13 Dec 2006 17:16:01
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
"gscace" <gregory.scace@nist.gov > wrote in message
news:1166051293.432627.96790@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I'm helping this thread to veer elsewhere. Planar vs conical is an
> interesting question that you can answer by using a good conical and
> comparing the taste of espresso produced from conical burr-ground
> coffee with that produced by planar burrs. Thos of us who have had
> this opportunity are pretty much in the conical camp I think.
>
> -Greg (got more money tied up in grinders than i do in espresso
> machines) Scace
>

I think Andy is off the reservation . . . .

ken




   
Date: 14 Dec 2006 01:27:00
From: Andy Schecter
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
Ken Fox wrote:
> I think Andy is off the reservation . . . .

Well, we knew that already.

But just for the sake of thoroughness, could you please clarify that statement
a bit?

Inquiring minds want to know....

--


-Andy S.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_s/sets/


    
Date: 13 Dec 2006 19:25:29
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
"Andy Schecter" <schecter@remove.me.rochester.rr.com > wrote in message
news:EL1gh.36770$zB4.5561@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Ken Fox wrote:
>> I think Andy is off the reservation . . . .
>
> Well, we knew that already.
>
> But just for the sake of thoroughness, could you please clarify that
> statement a bit?
>
> Inquiring minds want to know....
>
> --
>
>
> -Andy S.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_s/sets/

I'm referring to your quoted reks and written reks here:
http://tinyurl.com/ybsko4

My impression is that you find connical grinder produced espresso different
but not necessarily better than planar grinder produced espresso. If that
is true, then you are an "outlier" in regards to Greg's comment that those
who have tried both are "in the connical camp."

rgds,

from one outlier to another,

ken




     
Date: 14 Dec 2006 04:24:17
From: Andy Schecter
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
Ken Fox wrote:
> I'm referring to your quoted reks and written reks here:
> http://tinyurl.com/ybsko4
>
> My impression is that you find connical grinder produced espresso different
> but not necessarily better than planar grinder produced espresso. If that
> is true, then you are an "outlier" in regards to Greg's comment that those
> who have tried both are "in the connical camp."

Isn't it peculiar that the Versalab is referred to as "conical grinder," when
it really consists of a flat burr set with a conical breaker? Of course
Schomer is the one who first called it that.

--


-Andy S.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_s/sets/


      
Date: 13 Dec 2006 22:22:12
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
"Andy Schecter" <schecter@remove.me.rochester.rr.com > wrote in message
news:Rl4gh.4504$nq5.4363@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Ken Fox wrote:
>> I'm referring to your quoted reks and written reks here:
>> http://tinyurl.com/ybsko4
>>
>> My impression is that you find connical grinder produced espresso
>> different but not necessarily better than planar grinder produced
>> espresso. If that is true, then you are an "outlier" in regards to
>> Greg's comment that those who have tried both are "in the connical camp."
>
> Isn't it peculiar that the Versalab is referred to as "conical grinder,"
> when it really consists of a flat burr set with a conical breaker? Of
> course Schomer is the one who first called it that.
>
> --
>
>
> -Andy S.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_s/sets/

yeah, those old flat-conic DRM burr sets. Should be more or less like a
connical, I'd think.

ken




       
Date: 14 Dec 2006 10:04:35
From: Andy Schecter
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
Ken Fox wrote:
> yeah, those old flat-conic DRM burr sets. Should be more or less like a
> connical, I'd think.

True. After all, the taste of a flat set is "more-or-less" like the taste of a
conical. :)

--


-Andy S.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_s/sets/


 
Date: 13 Dec 2006 08:09:07
From: shane
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
I really cannot see myself wanting to upgrade my grinder. Unless
someone comes up with a grinder with a connical burrset that has the
precison of the MM and is inexpensive too.

I have a Virtuoso, which has a connical burrset, but the construction
of the grinder does not allow for the sort of precision needed for
espresso.

Now I am curious. Planar vs Connical? Why use one or the other? Old
hand grinders had connical burrsets. However, I can see possible
issues when hooking the same burrs up to a high speed motor. The burrs
must be mounted right or else wear is an issue.
I am sure that there are many factor in choosing a burrset that are not
immediately appearant.

Shane

Ken Fox wrote:
> "shane" <shane.olson@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:1165981412.714425.161530@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> >I quite agree that the grinder is quite important. I ended up with a
> > Mazzer Mini and it does the job. One of these days I want to upgrade
> > my espresso machine..
> >
> > Shane
> >
>
> The MM is a nice grinder and you should be able to produce grounds as good
> as from any planar grinder with it.
>
> ken



 
Date: 12 Dec 2006 19:43:32
From: shane
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
I quite agree that the grinder is quite important. I ended up with a
Mazzer Mini and it does the job. One of these days I want to upgrade
my espresso machine..

Shane


Ken Fox wrote:
> <mrfuss@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:1165965251.403276.40250@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> > shane wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> Greating from the only slightly frozen northland! Does anyone know
> >> anything new about the La zocco GS3? I have been looking about ona
> >> noticed that the great majority of the information out there about the
> >> machine is six months to a year old. I see that the GS3 is listed on
> >> the La zocco website as a machine that they produce.
> >> I am just curious about the machine as it seems to have generated a lot
> >> of hype. Anyone know if it lives up to the hype?
> >>
> >> Shane
> >
> > Earthlink's usenet access has been asleep for three days; so I'm trying
> > Google Groups. Forgive me if it loses the thread (literally).
> >
> > GS3 speculation has been worried to death on Coffee Geek, coffeed.com
> > and homebarista.com. Anyone who wants to obsess about this machine can
> > look over there. It's safe to say this is the most anticipated machine
> > in many years. A bunch of us spent an afternoon with it at the SCAA
> > Homecoming in July in Long Beach. It performed spectacularly well. Once
> > the grinder was dialed in, each shot (and there were dozens) was pretty
> > much spot on. The buttons are well-protected, by the way, and out of
> > the usual spill paths.
> >
> > Customers outside the U.S. have received delivery notices for later
> > this month (Dec. '06). In the U.S. and Canada, La zocco is waiting
> > for their UL and NSF reviews and approvals to be completed. When Kent
> > Bakke did his Homecoming presentation in Long Beach, he handed out
> > announcements promising first deliveries in "early 2007." So, they are
> > not even past due (yet), and it is ridiculously premature to compare it
> > to vaporware.
> >
> > Because of its price (about $4,500 U.S.), it elicits strong feelings
> > with overtones of envy and contempt. Anyone who wants one needs to
> > contact the La zocco rep for their region. Anyone who wants to laugh
> > at anyone who wants one is free to do so here. But, the list of
> > laughees seems to be pretty long.
> >
>
> It's a serious machine and something to lust over, that's for sure. I don't
> think it can possibly live up to its hype, but then I don't think it's
> possible to build a machine, any machine, that could live up to the gushing
> reviews given by a few people who've tested them in their houses. It WILL
> offer "better" shots than most people could get without a whole lot more
> effort.
>
> That having been said, assuming a very good level of equipment, those who
> have fine tuned their own setups to get the best possible out of them most
> probably would not notice much improvement from a GS3. If you are a
> tinkerer or enjoy hacking your own equipment, the GS3 would perhaps give
> comparable results but at the expense of the "enjoyment" you get from
> tinkering with your existing gear. In my discussions with other tinkerers,
> my impression is that there are a bunch of us who enjoy modifying and
> experimenting with the gear we have. For people like that, a GS3 would take
> a lot of the fun out of the hobby. Most people aren't like that, however,
> and would be perfect candidates for this impressive machine.
>
> And don't forget, the espresso machine is only a relatively small part of
> the whole process of ending up with great espresso. The improvement one
> might get from going "up" from your typical semi-commercial heat exchanger
> to a GS3 is dwarfed by the importance of the beans you are using, the
> grinder you use to grind them, and your barista skills.
>
> ken



  
Date: 12 Dec 2006 21:03:30
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?

"shane" <shane.olson@juno.com > wrote in message
news:1165981412.714425.161530@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>I quite agree that the grinder is quite important. I ended up with a
> Mazzer Mini and it does the job. One of these days I want to upgrade
> my espresso machine..
>
> Shane
>

The MM is a nice grinder and you should be able to produce grounds as good
as from any planar grinder with it.

ken




 
Date: 12 Dec 2006 15:14:11
From:
Subject: Latest GS3 news?
shane wrote:
> Hi,
> Greating from the only slightly frozen northland! Does anyone know
> anything new about the La zocco GS3? I have been looking about ona
> noticed that the great majority of the information out there about the
> machine is six months to a year old. I see that the GS3 is listed on
> the La zocco website as a machine that they produce.
> I am just curious about the machine as it seems to have generated a lot
> of hype. Anyone know if it lives up to the hype?
>
> Shane

Earthlink's usenet access has been asleep for three days; so I'm trying
Google Groups. Forgive me if it loses the thread (literally).

GS3 speculation has been worried to death on Coffee Geek, coffeed.com
and homebarista.com. Anyone who wants to obsess about this machine can
look over there. It's safe to say this is the most anticipated machine
in many years. A bunch of us spent an afternoon with it at the SCAA
Homecoming in July in Long Beach. It performed spectacularly well. Once
the grinder was dialed in, each shot (and there were dozens) was pretty
much spot on. The buttons are well-protected, by the way, and out of
the usual spill paths.

Customers outside the U.S. have received delivery notices for later
this month (Dec. '06). In the U.S. and Canada, La zocco is waiting
for their UL and NSF reviews and approvals to be completed. When Kent
Bakke did his Homecoming presentation in Long Beach, he handed out
announcements promising first deliveries in "early 2007." So, they are
not even past due (yet), and it is ridiculously premature to compare it
to vaporware.

Because of its price (about $4,500 U.S.), it elicits strong feelings
with overtones of envy and contempt. Anyone who wants one needs to
contact the La zocco rep for their region. Anyone who wants to laugh
at anyone who wants one is free to do so here. But, the list of
laughees seems to be pretty long.



  
Date: 12 Dec 2006 16:48:05
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
<mrfuss@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:1165965251.403276.40250@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> shane wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Greating from the only slightly frozen northland! Does anyone know
>> anything new about the La zocco GS3? I have been looking about ona
>> noticed that the great majority of the information out there about the
>> machine is six months to a year old. I see that the GS3 is listed on
>> the La zocco website as a machine that they produce.
>> I am just curious about the machine as it seems to have generated a lot
>> of hype. Anyone know if it lives up to the hype?
>>
>> Shane
>
> Earthlink's usenet access has been asleep for three days; so I'm trying
> Google Groups. Forgive me if it loses the thread (literally).
>
> GS3 speculation has been worried to death on Coffee Geek, coffeed.com
> and homebarista.com. Anyone who wants to obsess about this machine can
> look over there. It's safe to say this is the most anticipated machine
> in many years. A bunch of us spent an afternoon with it at the SCAA
> Homecoming in July in Long Beach. It performed spectacularly well. Once
> the grinder was dialed in, each shot (and there were dozens) was pretty
> much spot on. The buttons are well-protected, by the way, and out of
> the usual spill paths.
>
> Customers outside the U.S. have received delivery notices for later
> this month (Dec. '06). In the U.S. and Canada, La zocco is waiting
> for their UL and NSF reviews and approvals to be completed. When Kent
> Bakke did his Homecoming presentation in Long Beach, he handed out
> announcements promising first deliveries in "early 2007." So, they are
> not even past due (yet), and it is ridiculously premature to compare it
> to vaporware.
>
> Because of its price (about $4,500 U.S.), it elicits strong feelings
> with overtones of envy and contempt. Anyone who wants one needs to
> contact the La zocco rep for their region. Anyone who wants to laugh
> at anyone who wants one is free to do so here. But, the list of
> laughees seems to be pretty long.
>

It's a serious machine and something to lust over, that's for sure. I don't
think it can possibly live up to its hype, but then I don't think it's
possible to build a machine, any machine, that could live up to the gushing
reviews given by a few people who've tested them in their houses. It WILL
offer "better" shots than most people could get without a whole lot more
effort.

That having been said, assuming a very good level of equipment, those who
have fine tuned their own setups to get the best possible out of them most
probably would not notice much improvement from a GS3. If you are a
tinkerer or enjoy hacking your own equipment, the GS3 would perhaps give
comparable results but at the expense of the "enjoyment" you get from
tinkering with your existing gear. In my discussions with other tinkerers,
my impression is that there are a bunch of us who enjoy modifying and
experimenting with the gear we have. For people like that, a GS3 would take
a lot of the fun out of the hobby. Most people aren't like that, however,
and would be perfect candidates for this impressive machine.

And don't forget, the espresso machine is only a relatively small part of
the whole process of ending up with great espresso. The improvement one
might get from going "up" from your typical semi-commercial heat exchanger
to a GS3 is dwarfed by the importance of the beans you are using, the
grinder you use to grind them, and your barista skills.

ken




   
Date: 14 Dec 2006 13:33:46
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:48:05 -0700, "Ken Fox"
<morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote:

>tinkerer or enjoy hacking your own equipment, the GS3 would perhaps give
>comparable results but at the expense of the "enjoyment" you get from
>tinkering with your existing gear. In my discussions with other tinkerers,
>my impression is that there are a bunch of us who enjoy modifying and
>experimenting with the gear we have. For people like that, a GS3 would take
>a lot of the fun out of the hobby.

nah, we'd just want to tinker with the GS3! :)


--barry "tired of waiting for earthlink to fix their newsservers"

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Date: 12 Dec 2006 09:58:23
From: gscace
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
I sure didn't have any problems with the one I used. I presume that
they are reasonably well sealed.

-Greg


notbob wrote:
> On 2006-12-11, gscace <gregory.scace@nist.gov> wrote:
>
> > elixir. It's an extremely well thought out, extremely well constructed
> > piece of industrial art.
>
> I was drooling over it the other day (online) and couldn't help but
> notice the unusual location and orientation of the control panel. It
> just invites spills, splashes, and accidents of every conceivability.
> Is this panel and all its control buttons as garbage-proof as an owner
> would hope. I was thinking a one-piece membrane panel like the SL90
> machine would be appropriate here, but those buttons look suspicious.
> Are they sealed or are they potential gunk collectors?
>
> nb



 
Date: 12 Dec 2006 05:55:28
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
And LM certainly has everyone atwitter over something that is not even
available..


Very clever.

dave
186


I- >Ian wrote:
> On 11 Dec 2006 09:51:13 -0800, "gscace" <gregory.scace@nist.gov>
> wrote:
>
> >piece of industrial art.
>
> Or not.



 
Date: 11 Dec 2006 11:23:50
From: shane
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
It does look like a cool machine. I liked the blog, Chris seems to
like it. Does it live up to the hype? Has a final price been set?
Will mere mortal humans even be able to find one?
Hopefully the concept will take off and improve the small espresso
machines offered by others manufacturers as well.

Shane

mandtprice@gmail.com wrote:
> daveb wrote:
> > has ANYONE actually seen one outside of a trade show??
> >
> > Or is it like the next version of Windows?
> >
> > dave
>
> Chris Tacy, among others, had one to play with unsupervised for several
> days, you can read about it on his (now defunct) blog:
> http://godshot.blogspot.com/
>
> Matthew



 
Date: 11 Dec 2006 10:13:04
From:
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?

daveb wrote:
> has ANYONE actually seen one outside of a trade show??
>
> Or is it like the next version of Windows?
>
> dave

Chris Tacy, among others, had one to play with unsupervised for several
days, you can read about it on his (now defunct) blog:
http://godshot.blogspot.com/

Matthew



 
Date: 11 Dec 2006 09:52:16
From: gscace
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?

daveb wrote:
> has ANYONE actually seen one outside of a trade show??


Yes.



>
> Or is it like the next version of Windows?

No.

-Greg

>
> dave



 
Date: 11 Dec 2006 09:51:13
From: gscace
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
Hi:

I haven't talked to Bill at Lazocco in a coupla months, but last we
spoke they were finalizing details (true engineer). I am one of the
lucky folks that had an opportunity to do extensive testing of the beta
versions. It's the first espresso machine I've ever used that allows
one to pull a superb shot with no required knowledge of group flushing
or anything. Just load the portafilter properly with correctly ground
coffee, tamp, lock and load baybee (shoutout to k) and drink the
elixir. It's an extremely well thought out, extremely well constructed
piece of industrial art. Best machine I've ever used, and I have a
modified LM Linea in my basement, so it ain't like I'm hurtin for
machinery.

-Greg


shane wrote:
> Hi,
> Greating from the only slightly frozen northland! Does anyone know
> anything new about the La zocco GS3? I have been looking about ona
> noticed that the great majority of the information out there about the
> machine is six months to a year old. I see that the GS3 is listed on
> the La zocco website as a machine that they produce.
> I am just curious about the machine as it seems to have generated a lot
> of hype. Anyone know if it lives up to the hype?
>
> Shane



  
Date: 12 Dec 2006 05:55:12
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
On 11 Dec 2006 09:51:13 -0800, "gscace" <gregory.scace@nist.gov >
wrote:

>piece of industrial art.

Or not.


  
Date: 11 Dec 2006 12:21:31
From: notbob
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
On 2006-12-11, gscace <gregory.scace@nist.gov > wrote:

> elixir. It's an extremely well thought out, extremely well constructed
> piece of industrial art.

I was drooling over it the other day (online) and couldn't help but
notice the unusual location and orientation of the control panel. It
just invites spills, splashes, and accidents of every conceivability.
Is this panel and all its control buttons as garbage-proof as an owner
would hope. I was thinking a one-piece membrane panel like the SL90
machine would be appropriate here, but those buttons look suspicious.
Are they sealed or are they potential gunk collectors?

nb


 
Date: 11 Dec 2006 09:37:23
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Latest GS3 news?
has ANYONE actually seen one outside of a trade show??

Or is it like the next version of Windows?

dave