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Date: 09 Jun 2007 11:03:27
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Subject: Machine and Grinder upgrading (Cunill Tranquilo)
A couple weeks ago I asked the CoffeeGeek forums about upgrading to a
new grinder to use with my Breville 800ESXL (hoping a good grinder
will get it to make good espresso). I was recommended the Cunill
Tranquilo, and after all my research, I'm pretty sold on it, despite
being first resistant to it because of it's looks and size.

But in my researching, I've been finding that a new grinder probably
isn't going to help my Breville 800ESXL given that it's a thermoblock
machine with pressurized filters. I was given my Breville as a gift a
year ago, and I've learned to make good cappuccinos with it, but if I
try drinking the espresso straight, it's either really bitter or
sour. From what I read, a better grind and finding a non-pressurized
filter for it (I still haven't really found one online) will not help
this much. So I think I should just upgrade to another machine. I
was thinking maybe go straight to a Quickmill Alexia or Anita, but
then I realized that's way too much money and I should stick with a
Silvia (or Isomac Venus, but I don't read anything about those past
2003 I think...).

I guess my question is: I can buy Silvia/Rocky packages from sellers
for discounts that may come with extras (hopefully naked portafilter
or nice tamper) since I'm spending a lot, or is the Cunill Tranquilo
worth getting on it's own ($209 at Sovrano), and buying a Silvia
separately, and maybe missing out on some discounts?

Thank you.





 
Date: 12 Jun 2007 15:52:40
From: John Frank
Subject: Re: Machine and Grinder upgrading (Cunill Tranquilo)
I don't have any experience with Great Infusions, but I just placed an
order with Chris Coffee last week and I received the item very
promptly--they are a first class company and I have heard nothing but
praise regarding their service.

I'm in California, too, and sometimes California-based companies
charge sales tax, is that an issue with respect to purchasing from
Great Infusions?

Enjoy your new purchase,

John

On Jun 12, 2:47 pm, kern <KernH...@gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> Does anybody have experience with Great Infusions or know how their
> service is? Good service is really important to me, more so than good
> prices (although I definitely appreciate good prices).




 
Date: 12 Jun 2007 14:47:45
From: kern
Subject: Re: Machine and Grinder upgrading (Cunill Tranquilo)

> D. Ross wrote:

> Does the Cunill have continuously variable grind adjustment? The click
> stops on the Rocky are a bit too far apart for me.
>
> R "Yeah, I know, some creative people have worked around the click stops
> but . . . " TF

I'm pretty sure the Tranquilo has steps, and they are unmarked. I'm
not sure how big the steps are though, for some reason I got the
feeling they were pretty small.

Seems like I'd still get a good deal buying the Cunill, so I guess
I'll have to weigh the options when buying. I always hear great
things about buying from Chris' Coffee, so I'd kind of like to support
what seems like a great business. The only other place I'd consider
is Great Infusions because it's much closer to me (in California),
although I'm not sure how much of an advantage that actually is (both
Great Infusions and Chris' Coffee offer free shipping).

Does anybody have experience with Great Infusions or know how their
service is? Good service is really important to me, more so than good
prices (although I definitely appreciate good prices).



  
Date: 14 Jun 2007 08:04:07
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Machine and Grinder upgrading
Unless you can drive there -- closeness is not that much of an issue.


and grinders don't need much. they either work out of the box -- or they
don't.

dave
www.hitechespresso.com


>
> Does anybody have experience with Great Infusions or know how their
> service is? Good service is really important to me, more so than good
> prices (although I definitely appreciate good prices).
>




  
Date: 13 Jun 2007 05:06:57
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Machine and Grinder upgrading (Cunill Tranquilo)


 
Date: 11 Jun 2007 11:00:48
From: kern
Subject: Re: Machine and Grinder upgrading (Cunill Tranquilo)
On Jun 11, 6:31 am, "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com > wrote:

> avoid the packages with the (very lame) metal base for rocky / silvia.
> IMHO - junk.

I agree, those don't seem to do much.

I realized I should probably mention that I'll be switching beans and
grinds often.




  
Date: 11 Jun 2007 18:09:28
From: Moka Java
Subject: Re: Machine and Grinder upgrading (Cunill Tranquilo)
kern wrote:
> On Jun 11, 6:31 am, "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> avoid the packages with the (very lame) metal base for rocky / silvia.
>> IMHO - junk.
>
> I agree, those don't seem to do much.
>
> I realized I should probably mention that I'll be switching beans and
> grinds often.
>
>

First, I don't know beans about he Tranquillo so maybe someone else can
comment. One of the problems with loading small amounts of beans in a
hopper is the beans bounce around and don't grind the same as when there
are beans on top, weighing them down. I find that I have to adjust
finer when the beans are bouncing and would wager that the grind is not
as consistent though I haven't screened the grounds or examined them
with a microscope.

I had a Rocky and now use a Mazzer Mini. The hopper on the Mazzer lifts
off and there is a plastic slide that allows you to remove a full hopper
with out spilling any beans. A 58mm tamper fits neatly in the throat of
the Mazzer when you remove the hopper and this reduces bean bounce to a
certain extent. Loading small amounts of beans in the Rocky is iffy
because the finger guard is in the middle of the hopper which
contributes to bean bounce when it's near empty. The Rocky hopper is
not readily removable so removal of the beans entails either grinding
them or turning Rocky upside down and shaking them out.

R "how graceful" TF


   
Date: 12 Jun 2007 09:22:40
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Machine and Grinder upgrading (Cunill Tranquilo)


    
Date: 12 Jun 2007 09:38:35
From: Moka Java
Subject: Re: Machine and Grinder upgrading (Cunill Tranquilo)
D. Ross wrote:
> However, as for which is better - Rocky or
> Tranquilo - that is a hard question. Suitability for espresso will be the
> same, the Rocky has smaller capacity but greater kitchen counter
> friendliness, the Cunill has a bigger, badder burrset.
>

Does the Cunill have continuously variable grind adjustment? The click
stops on the Rocky are a bit too far apart for me.

R "Yeah, I know, some creative people have worked around the click stops
but . . . " TF


   
Date: 12 Jun 2007 06:06:49
From: Donn Cave
Subject: Re: Machine and Grinder upgrading (Cunill Tranquilo)
Quoth Moka Java <rtwatches@fishyahoo.com >:



 
Date: 11 Jun 2007 09:31:43
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Machine and Grinder upgrading (Cunill Tranquilo)
A gaggia MDF is just about as good or a rocky for 275.


avoid the packages with the (very lame) metal base for rocky / silvia.
IMHO - junk.

regards

dave
www.hitechespresso.com