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Date: 16 Feb 2007 16:01:51
From: Paul J. Berg
Subject: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

~

Ten Starbucks outlets, in downtown Portland, Oregon, reported Friday
that locks on their doors were jammed with a glue-like substance or
metal shavings, police said.

The vandalism was discovered early Friday morning as employees tried to
open multiple shops in the downtown area, according to Sgt. Brian
Schmautz, Portland Police Bureau spokesman.

He said there were no witnesses or suspects, and no one has claimed
responsibility for the damage.

Jason Macnaughton, a Starbucks spokesman, said all stores were open and
operating by 9 a.m.

"We are working closely with the local police department regarding these
incidents," he said

~

Date: 19 Feb 2007 20:11:16
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

On Feb 18, 4:37 am, Lavarock <lavaro...@myhawaiiansite.com > wrote:
>
> > Yeah, they hiked down to McDonalds...who..according to Consumer Reports,
> > has better coffee.
>
> Which is probably a Kona BLEND...
>

May be, there's a nice aroma to it, peak and fresh and busy in the
AM. Away back to sit and drink half a cup as work rushes by. Then,
it's fit for topping, to take it out in the truck and have another
half. What's left is tossed across the parking lot. Time for a
thought to taste a cup or three of homemade.

Date: 17 Feb 2007 22:44:37
From: stereoplegic
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

JC Dill wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:01:51 -0800, pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg)
> wrote:
>
> >Ten Starbucks outlets, in downtown Portland, Oregon, reported Friday
> >that locks on their doors were jammed with a glue-like substance or
> >metal shavings, police said.
>
> I seem to recall a similar story in SF a few years ago...
>
> Aha, found it:
>
> <http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2003/08/06/BA135034.DTL>

happened here in houston too.

Date: 19 Feb 2007 18:19:09
From: Haddatten Huttendrut
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

In article <1171781077.580586.292490@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
"stereoplegic" <stereoplegic@aim.com > wrote:

> JC Dill wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:01:51 -0800, pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Ten Starbucks outlets, in downtown Portland, Oregon, reported Friday
> > >that locks on their doors were jammed with a glue-like substance or
> > >metal shavings, police said.
> >
> > I seem to recall a similar story in SF a few years ago...
> >
> > Aha, found it:
> >
> > <http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2003/08/06/B
> > A135034.DTL>
>
> happened here in houston too.

Probably unrelated, but they earned a lot of bad karma points by legally
slam-dunking that comic artist for his Starbucks-logo-based "Consumer Whore"
t-shirts. It was legitimate satire.

--

Date: 20 Feb 2007 05:31:32
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:19:09 -0800, Haddatten Huttendrut
<none@nothing.net > wrote:

>Probably unrelated, but they earned a lot of bad karma points by legally
>slam-dunking that comic artist for his Starbucks-logo-based "Consumer Whore"
>t-shirts. It was legitimate satire.

Is a t-shirt a publication or a product?

shall

Date: 20 Feb 2007 13:08:45
From: JC Dill
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:31:32 GMT, shall
<mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:19:09 -0800, Haddatten Huttendrut
><none@nothing.net> wrote:
>
>>Probably unrelated, but they earned a lot of bad karma points by legally
>>slam-dunking that comic artist for his Starbucks-logo-based "Consumer Whore"
>>t-shirts. It was legitimate satire.
>
>Is a t-shirt a publication or a product?

It doesn't matter. Satire (and parody) is fair use.

<http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.html >

<quote >

1. The Transformative Factor: The Purpose and Character of Your Use

In a 1994 case, the Supreme Court emphasized this first factor as
being a priy indicator of fair use. At issue is whether the
material has been used to help create something new, or merely copied
verbatim into another work. When taking portions of copyrighted work,
ask yourself the following questions:

* Has the material you have taken from the original work been
transformed by adding new expression or meaning?
* Was value added to the original by creating new information, new
aesthetics, new insights and understandings?

In a parody, for example, the parodist transforms the original by
holding it up to ridicule.

</quote >

jc

--

"The nice thing about a e is you get to ride a lot
of different horses without having to own that many."
~ Eileen Morgan of The e's Nest, PA

Date: 20 Feb 2007 23:38:49
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:08:45 -0800, JC Dill <jcdill@gmail.com > wrote:

>It doesn't matter. Satire (and parody) is fair use.
>
><http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.html>
>
><quote>
>
>1. The Transformative Factor: The Purpose and Character of Your Use
>
>In a 1994 case, the Supreme Court emphasized this first factor as
>being a priy indicator of fair use. At issue is whether the
>material has been used to help create something new, or merely copied
>verbatim into another work. When taking portions of copyrighted work,
>ask yourself the following questions:
>
> * Has the material you have taken from the original work been
>transformed by adding new expression or meaning?
> * Was value added to the original by creating new information, new
>aesthetics, new insights and understandings?
>
>In a parody, for example, the parodist transforms the original by
>holding it up to ridicule.
>
></quote>
>
>jc

You are confusing copyright and tradek (which people often do). Ask
the guys who made the "Cocaine" t-shirts in "Coca-Cola" type. The main
issue is dilution of the k.

shall

Date: 21 Feb 2007 08:05:57
From: JC Dill
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:38:49 GMT, shall
<mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:

>You are confusing copyright and tradek (which people often do). Ask
>the guys who made the "Cocaine" t-shirts in "Coca-Cola" type. The main
>issue is dilution of the k.

I'm not confusing it. If something is obvious satire or parody it IS
fair use - there is no dilution of the k because it's *obvious*
that the new work is not the old work. OTOH, if you are fighting a
big company with a lot of lawyers they might win even when the law is
not on their side - they can out last you, with endless (and needless)
motions and appeals. So just because someone lost a lawsuit doesn't
mean the law doesn't apply. Here's the key to how Coke prevailed:

http://www.splc.org/legalresearch.asp?id=32

<quote >
For example, the Coca-Cola Company was successful in preventing a
T-shirt maker from printing shirts with the slogan: "Enjoy Cocaine,"
in the well-known Coke script and typeface. Clearly, no reasonable
person would have thought they were purchasing a shirt made by the
Coca-Cola Company. Rather, the court found that the T-shirt slogan
tarnished the reputation of the famous Coke tradek.
</quote >

So, Coke's lawyers had a 3 pronged attack, they could go after a
copyright claim (illegal use of their font which they certainly didn't
release or license), a tradek violation, and "tarnishing the
reputation" of their tradek by associating it with an illegal
product.

<quote >
Tradek law is generally only a problem when a tradek or service
k is used in a way that would confuse a potential consumer.
</quote >

I'm having a hard time thinking of how one might use Coke/Coca in the
well known typeface in a parody on a t-shirt where it would be obvious
that the t-shirt wasn't made by Coke. Maybe Mad-Magazine style? At
any rate, if it were A) obvious that it was a parody and not something
made by Coke and B) it wasn't implying that Coke was selling Cocaine
or some other legal product, then the above "tarnished reputation"
claim wouldn't prevail. (Modulo expensive lawyers.)

ObCoffee: Millbrae ket and Gasoline is at Rollins Road and
Millbrae Ave, just across the street from the Millbrae transit center
(BART station, CalTrain station, etc.) down the peninsula from San
Francisco. Their logo is *very* similar to the Starbucks logo. At
first glance, it is the same shape, layout, and color. I'm really
surprised that Starbucks hasn't made them change it.

jc

--

"The nice thing about a e is you get to ride a lot
of different horses without having to own that many."
~ Eileen Morgan of The e's Nest, PA

Date: 21 Feb 2007 17:21:45
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:05:57 -0800, JC Dill <jcdill@gmail.com > wrote:

>I'm not confusing it. If something is obvious satire or parody it IS
>fair use - there is no dilution of the k because it's *obvious*
>that the new work is not the old work. OTOH, if you are fighting a
>big company with a lot of lawyers they might win even when the law is
>not on their side - they can out last you, with endless (and needless)
>motions and appeals. So just because someone lost a lawsuit doesn't
>mean the law doesn't apply. Here's the key to how Coke prevailed:
>
>http://www.splc.org/legalresearch.asp?id=32
>
><quote>
>For example, the Coca-Cola Company was successful in preventing a
>T-shirt maker from printing shirts with the slogan: "Enjoy Cocaine,"
>in the well-known Coke script and typeface. Clearly, no reasonable
>person would have thought they were purchasing a shirt made by the
>Coca-Cola Company. Rather, the court found that the T-shirt slogan
>tarnished the reputation of the famous Coke tradek.
></quote>

You left out the first (and most important) part of the paragraph you
quoted from your student guide: "A second -- and potentially more
troublesome -- branch of tradek law for the student media is that
of tradek dilution. Tradek dilution statutes generally prevent
the use of a k by a non-owner if such use would whittle away at the
distinctiveness of or otherwise 'tarnish' an existing k."

The boundaries of this area of law can be somewhat fuzzy, and they are
not simply "the guy with the most lawyers wins."

Here's the Coca Cola decision:
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/metaschool/fisher/domain/tmcases/coca.htm
shall

Date: 17 Feb 2007 09:19:27
From: Chris H. of Portland, OR
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

Date: 17 Feb 2007 16:06:56
From: RoughJaw
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:01:51 -0800, Paul J. Berg wrote:

<snip troll >

Pay attention people.

Newsgroups: alt.coffee,pdx.general,or.politics,alt.politics

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Date: 17 Feb 2007 04:17:36
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

On Feb 17, 2:10 am, Gordon <g...@alltomyself.com > wrote:
> pjb...@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg) wrote innews:28034-45D645EF-115@storefull-
> 3231.bay.webtv.net:
>
>
>
> > ~
>
> > Ten Starbucks outlets, in downtown Portland, Oregon, reported Friday
> > that locks on their doors were jammed with a glue-like substance or
> > metal shavings, police said.
>
> > The vandalism was discovered early Friday morning as employees tried to
> > open multiple shops in the downtown area, according to Sgt. Brian
> > Schmautz, Portland Police Bureau spokesman.
>
> > He said there were no witnesses or suspects, and no one has claimed
> > responsibility for the damage.
>
> > Jason Macnaughton, a Starbucks spokesman, said all stores were open and
> > operating by 9 a.m.
>
> > "We are working closely with the local police department regarding these
> > incidents," he said
>
> > ~
>
> Hopefully the took the oppertunity to find some real coffee.

In the 8/2003 article cited re: vandalism prank at SF Starbucks there
were about 6,000 stores worldwide, now 2//2007 there are over 12,000.

Is the public being forced to buy there? no.
Where I live there is a local chain. They are mediocre at best and
charge MORE than Starbucks!

Let's face it -- most local coffee houses are poor to awful, with a
few very few glowing exceptions -- thank God.

Dave

Date: 17 Feb 2007 03:50:27
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

On Feb 16, 7:01 pm, pjb...@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg) wrote:
> ~
>
> Ten Starbucks outlets, in downtown Portland, Oregon, reported Friday
> that locks on their doors were jammed with a glue-like substance or
> metal shavings, police said.
>
> The vandalism was discovered early Friday morning as employees tried to
> open multiple shops in the downtown area, according to Sgt. Brian
> Schmautz, Portland Police Bureau spokesman.
>
> He said there were no witnesses or suspects, and no one has claimed
> responsibility for the damage.
>
> Jason Macnaughton, a Starbucks spokesman, said all stores were open and
> operating by 9 a.m.
>
> "We are working closely with the local police department regarding these
> incidents," he said
>
> ~

Ridiculous, chickenshit vandalism.

Starbucks is not killing whales or baby seals, folks. Starbucks has
done more to accelerate specialty coffee than any other force, ever.

People are still feet to vote with their feet.

Dave

Date: 18 Feb 2007 02:27:38
From: Gordon
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in news:1171713027.167673.107440
@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:

> People are still feet to vote with their feet.
>
> Dave
>

They are still what?. <chuckle > But I know what you
mean.

And I vote with my feet all the time. As far and fast
from "Starchunks" as possible.

Date: 18 Feb 2007 15:54:00
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

yes free to vote with their feet

heheh
"Gordon" <gonzo@alltomyself.com > wrote in message
news:Xns98DABBCBA2102greederxprtnet@130.81.64.196...
> "daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com> wrote in news:1171713027.167673.107440
> @p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
>
>> People are still feet to vote with their feet.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
> They are still what?. <chuckle> But I know what you
> mean.
>
> And I vote with my feet all the time. As far and fast
> from "Starchunks" as possible.

Date: 17 Feb 2007 07:10:21
From: Gordon
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg) wrote in news:28034-45D645EF-115@storefull-
3231.bay.webtv.net:

> ~
>
> Ten Starbucks outlets, in downtown Portland, Oregon, reported Friday
> that locks on their doors were jammed with a glue-like substance or
> metal shavings, police said.
>
> The vandalism was discovered early Friday morning as employees tried to
> open multiple shops in the downtown area, according to Sgt. Brian
> Schmautz, Portland Police Bureau spokesman.
>
> He said there were no witnesses or suspects, and no one has claimed
> responsibility for the damage.
>
> Jason Macnaughton, a Starbucks spokesman, said all stores were open and
> operating by 9 a.m.
>
> "We are working closely with the local police department regarding these
> incidents," he said
>
> ~
>

Hopefully the took the oppertunity to find some real coffee.

Date: 17 Feb 2007 07:14:25
From: WitchDr
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

"Gordon" <gonzo@alltomyself.com > wrote in message
news:Xns98D9EBB954F7Bgreederxprtnet@130.81.64.196...
> Hopefully the took the oppertunity to find some real coffee.

Yeah, they hiked down to McDonalds...who..according to Consumer Reports,
has better coffee.

Date:
From:
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Date: 18 Feb 2007 09:37:26
From: Lavarock
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

WitchDr wrote:
> "Gordon" <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns98D9EBB954F7Bgreederxprtnet@130.81.64.196...
>> Hopefully the took the oppertunity to find some real coffee.
>
> Yeah, they hiked down to McDonalds...who..according to Consumer Reports,
> has better coffee.
>
>

Which is probably a Kona BLEND...

--

They said that someone has to live in Hawaii and I raised my hand first!

Date: 16 Feb 2007 20:06:30
From: JC Dill
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:01:51 -0800, pjberg@webtv.net (Paul J. Berg)
wrote:

>Ten Starbucks outlets, in downtown Portland, Oregon, reported Friday
>that locks on their doors were jammed with a glue-like substance or
>metal shavings, police said.

I seem to recall a similar story in SF a few years ago...

Aha, found it:

<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2003/08/06/BA135034.DTL >

jc

--

"The nice thing about a e is you get to ride a lot
of different horses without having to own that many."
~ Eileen Morgan of The e's Nest, PA

Date: 17 Feb 2007 00:34:23
From: Chato
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

Paul J. Berg wrote:
> ~
>
> Ten Starbucks outlets, in downtown Portland, Oregon, reported Friday
> that locks on their doors were jammed with a glue-like substance or
> metal shavings, police said.
>
> The vandalism was discovered early Friday morning as employees tried to
> open multiple shops in the downtown area, according to Sgt. Brian
> Schmautz, Portland Police Bureau spokesman.
>
> He said there were no witnesses or suspects, and no one has claimed
> responsibility for the damage.
>
> Jason Macnaughton, a Starbucks spokesman, said all stores were open and
> operating by 9 a.m.
>
> "We are working closely with the local police department regarding these
> incidents," he said
>
> ~
>
Creepy???

Date: 16 Feb 2007 19:15:20
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Many Portlanders miss their morning buzz

"Paul J. Berg" <pjberg@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:28034-45D645EF-115@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net...
> ~
>
> Ten Starbucks outlets, in downtown Portland, Oregon, reported Friday
> that locks on their doors were jammed with a glue-like substance or
> metal shavings, police said.
>
> The vandalism was discovered early Friday morning as employees tried
> to
> open multiple shops in the downtown area, according to Sgt. Brian
> Schmautz, Portland Police Bureau spokesman.
>
> He said there were no witnesses or suspects, and no one has claimed
> responsibility for the damage.
>
> Jason Macnaughton, a Starbucks spokesman, said all stores were open
> and
> operating by 9 a.m.
>
> "We are working closely with the local police department regarding
> these
> incidents," he said
>
> ~
>

HALLELUIAH!! LOL!!!
Craig.