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Date: 04 Apr 2007 08:35:53
From: JC Dill
Subject: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks
<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/04/04/notes040407.DTL&feed=rss.mmorford >

<quote >
It is not news that Starbucks' coffee is now invariably horrible, the
overall quality shot to hell at the expense of absurd, outrageous
growth, all made cruelly plain to me yet again by way of the last few
times I was forced to purchase a coffee-like drink from them, each
time in desperation when driving numbly up/down Interstate 5 and
having no other options and each time hoping it might be different,
merely praying for a passable soy mocha and every time taking two or
three sips and gagging and pouring the thing out on the sidewalk, thus
wasting upward of $49 and wishing Peet's was a more ubiquitous chain
but also understanding that were Peet's to expand the way Starbucks
has they would become exactly as atrocious and tasteless and cheesy
and dumbed down and tacky and useless and annoying and forgettable and
loathsome and tired and depressing as Starbucks. And no one wants
that.
</quote >

jc

--

"The nice thing about a mare is you get to ride a lot
of different horses without having to own that many."
~ Eileen Morgan of The Mare's Nest, PA




 
Date: 05 Apr 2007 16:11:20
From: Barutan Seijin
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks
Am 4 Apr 2007, Jack Denver schrieb:


> I haven't tried it, but the brewed coffee that McDonalds now serves has
> gotten some praise (by highway standards).

Whatever its merits, it's too hot to drink, let alone taste. (And by
the time it has cooled down enough to taste, you've already burnt your
tongue.)

I sometimes find myself exiting I94 at Hwy 50 in the wee hours of the
morning. The McD's is the only place open. I used to get a coffee in
hopes that it would keep me awake for the tedious and dangerous
stretch from I94 to Lake Geneva. The problem is that i simply can't
touch the stuff for 25 miles or so, by which time i'm done with Hwy
50. I don't even bother anymore.



--
barutanseijin@gmail.com


  
Date: 05 Apr 2007 13:50:28
From: Roger Shoaf
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks

"Barutan Seijin" <barutanseijin@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:m2r6qyu8kq.fsf@oedipa.disorg...
>
> Whatever its merits, it's too hot to drink, let alone taste. (And by
> the time it has cooled down enough to taste, you've already burnt your
> tongue.)
>
> I sometimes find myself exiting I94 at Hwy 50 in the wee hours of the
> morning. The McD's is the only place open. I used to get a coffee in
> hopes that it would keep me awake for the tedious and dangerous
> stretch from I94 to Lake Geneva. The problem is that i simply can't
> touch the stuff for 25 miles or so, by which time i'm done with Hwy
> 50. I don't even bother anymore.

Ask for an empty cup and pour it back and forth a few times until the coffee
cools to the degree you prefer to consume it.

Alternatively you can use your own mug and pour the coffee into the mug from
the Styrofoam cup. The cool ceramic will drop the temp of the coffee
quickly at first and then the temperature will drop slowly.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.




  
Date: 05 Apr 2007 20:16:11
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:11:20 GMT, Barutan Seijin
<barutanseijin@gmail.com > wrote:

>Am 4 Apr 2007, Jack Denver schrieb:

>> I haven't tried it, but the brewed coffee that McDonalds now serves has
>> gotten some praise (by highway standards).
>
>Whatever its merits, it's too hot to drink, let alone taste. (And by
>the time it has cooled down enough to taste, you've already burnt your
>tongue.)
>
>I sometimes find myself exiting I94 at Hwy 50 in the wee hours of the
>morning. The McD's is the only place open. I used to get a coffee in
>hopes that it would keep me awake for the tedious and dangerous
>stretch from I94 to Lake Geneva. The problem is that i simply can't
>touch the stuff for 25 miles or so, by which time i'm done with Hwy
>50. I don't even bother anymore.

Then kudos to McDonalds. They are focusing on the quality of the
coffee (which requires near-boiling water), rather than its utility as
a rapid caffeine injection system. Next time bring some No-Doz.

Marshall


 
Date: 04 Apr 2007 22:20:19
From: rasqual
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks
On Apr 5, 12:14 am, kwatq <m...@nospam.us > wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:35:53 -0700, JC Dill wrote:
> > merely praying for a passable soy mocha
>
> One who would drink a soy mocha would suck a cock.

But what about all the others who would drink a soy mocha?



  
Date: 05 Apr 2007 20:10:32
From: Andy Schecter
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks
rasqual wrote:
> But what about all the others who would drink a soy mocha?

ROFLMAO!


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-Andy S.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_s/sets/


   
Date: 05 Apr 2007 20:40:37
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks

"Andy Schecter" <schecter@remove.me.rochester.rr.com > wrote in message
news:46158fd3$0$16707$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> rasqual wrote:
>> But what about all the others who would drink a soy mocha?
>
> ROFLMAO!
>
>
> --
>
>
> -Andy S.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_s/sets/

I guess they'd ALL be doin' what "kwatq" there's dreamin' about..!
Totally ROTFLMAO!! {:-D
Craig.



 
Date: 05 Apr 2007 05:04:55
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Hobby to Business
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:02:34 GMT, Barry Jarrett
<barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:09:42 -0500, North Sullivan
><northwrites@bluebottle.com> wrote:
>
> >I do like Barry's idea about setting up the roaster in a small space
> >for wholesale. As much as I'd like to only consider the coffee
> >aspects in the strategic planning, I do have to consider my family.
> >Wholesale roasting would allow me that flexibility to spend more time
> >with family, which to be honest, does not depend upon my coffee income
> >to pay the bills. They would rather have my time than that modest
> >income. The coffee business is a selfish pleasure for me, although
> >the community receives a benefit also.
> >
>
>and, of course, you'd need to have your espresso machine set up at the
>roastery, and some pourover cones, perhaps, for tasting your coffees,
>and provided you did all this in a manner which was satisfactory with
>your healt dept, then who's to say you couldn't serve/sell a drink or
>three whilst you're roasting? put the retail aspect on your own
>terms, and do what you want, when you want it.

That's right! You've been to Jones Coffee.

Marshall


 
Date: 04 Apr 2007 21:03:35
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks


  
Date: 04 Apr 2007 18:00:24
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks
I haven't tried it, but the brewed coffee that McDonalds now serves has
gotten some praise (by highway standards).

I had a cup of Starbucks brewed on their "free coffee" day and it wasn't
bad.


"D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu > wrote in message
news:46141133.11164493@localhost...
>


  
Date: 04 Apr 2007 17:54:38
From: Alice Faber
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks
In article <46141133.11164493@localhost >,
ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:

>


   
Date: 05 Apr 2007 06:19:57
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks


    
Date: 05 Apr 2007 11:23:53
From: Alice Faber
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks
In article <46149453.5741325@localhost >,
ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:

>


     
Date: 05 Apr 2007 20:23:46
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks
Alice Faber <afaber@panix.com > wrote:



 
Date: 04 Apr 2007 09:12:53
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks


yes.

he should try a "doppio machiatto"
GAGGED on that!

-- and as I have said before, if you don't like it -- COMPLAIN, and
DEMAND A REFUND.


And I understand SOY JUICE is very popular in SF.




 
Date: 04 Apr 2007 16:05:51
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:35:53 -0700, JC Dill <jcdill@gmail.com > wrote:

><http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/04/04/notes040407.DTL&feed=rss.mmorford>
>
><quote>
>It is not news that Starbucks' coffee is now invariably horrible, the
>overall quality shot to hell at the expense of absurd, outrageous
>growth, all made cruelly plain to me yet again by way of the last few
>times I was forced to purchase a coffee-like drink from them, each
>time in desperation when driving numbly up/down Interstate 5 and
>having no other options and each time hoping it might be different,
>merely praying for a passable soy mocha and every time taking two or
>three sips and gagging and pouring the thing out on the sidewalk, thus
>wasting upward of $49 and wishing Peet's was a more ubiquitous chain
>but also understanding that were Peet's to expand the way Starbucks
>has they would become exactly as atrocious and tasteless and cheesy
>and dumbed down and tacky and useless and annoying and forgettable and
>loathsome and tired and depressing as Starbucks. And no one wants
>that.
></quote>
>
>jc

This guy must have the world's best-developed taste buds, if he can
judge the coffee underneath that 200-calorie soy-milk, chocolate syrup
and whipped cream confection.

Marshall


  
Date: 04 Apr 2007 13:53:31
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Mark Morford of SFGate rips Starbucks


"Marshall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote in message
news:q2j7139fq550n2v5i3qg2l63ni50cko6qr@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:35:53 -0700, JC Dill <jcdill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>><http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/04/04/notes040407.DTL&feed=rss.mmorford>
>>
>><quote>
>>It is not news that Starbucks' coffee is now invariably horrible, the
>>overall quality shot to hell at the expense of absurd, outrageous
>>growth, all made cruelly plain to me yet again by way of the last few
>>times I was forced to purchase a coffee-like drink from them, each
>>time in desperation when driving numbly up/down Interstate 5 and
>>having no other options and each time hoping it might be different,
>>merely praying for a passable soy mocha and every time taking two or
>>three sips and gagging and pouring the thing out on the sidewalk, thus
>>wasting upward of $49 and wishing Peet's was a more ubiquitous chain
>>but also understanding that were Peet's to expand the way Starbucks
>>has they would become exactly as atrocious and tasteless and cheesy
>>and dumbed down and tacky and useless and annoying and forgettable and
>>loathsome and tired and depressing as Starbucks. And no one wants
>>that.
>></quote>
>>
>>jc
>
> This guy must have the world's best-developed taste buds, if he can
> judge the coffee underneath that 200-calorie soy-milk, chocolate syrup
> and whipped cream confection.



Maybe Starbucks didn't use enough chocolate syrup and whipped cream for his
taste.

I can at least understand their appeal but soy milk leaves me completely
mystified. I understand that some people do not want to consume animal
products but I find the taste of soy "milk" to be foul. There are some
non-dairy milk-like drinks with acceptable taste (I enjoy horchata) and I
don't mind a "beany" taste in tofu, but as far as I'm concerned, adding soy
milk to even the finest coffee ruins any chance of producing a good tasting
beverage.