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Date: 15 May 2007 14:42:46
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
Mark Prince has been cajoled into creating a new forum on his site
dedicated to those who enjoy working on espresso equipment. The exact date
for it's creation has not been set, but I for one am very excited about it.

Atta boy, Mark, atta boy!

Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

Remove "ZED" from address if replying by email.




 
Date: 18 May 2007 16:55:42
From:
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
On May 18, 7:11 pm, "Robert Harmon" <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com > wrote:
> You're right, Ed. When you access Usenet from within Outlook it's pulling up
> the Outlook Express news reader. It's pretty robust & easy to use.
> ...snip...> >>> MS Outlook has a usenet posting mechanism?
>
> >> It does, but it's not renowned for it's abilities.
> > <SNIP>- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Paris Hilton : I read that she will be getting a reduced sentence
due to good behavior. She apparently made it to her latest court date
on time. (no BS)

Must be nice to be worth a bazillion dollars.

Len

---------------------------------
http://www.CoffeeRoastersClub.com




 
Date: 18 May 2007 14:24:47
From:
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
On May 18, 4:31 pm, Danny <d...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote:
> a...@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:
> > I went to the information, however I find it difficult to see where
> > the google groups reference is. Where would I find that in the
> > information?
>
> Google groups appears as "G2" in the lists of user agents.
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> (apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)

Thanks. I see that the #1 posting platform was MS Outlook Express. I
do not use MS Outlook at all. I have always used Eudora for my mail.
MS Outlook has a usenet posting mechanism?

Len

---------------------------------
http://www.CoffeeRoastersClub.com



  
Date: 18 May 2007 22:34:02
From: Danny
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:

> Thanks. I see that the #1 posting platform was MS Outlook Express. I
> do not use MS Outlook at all. I have always used Eudora for my mail.
> MS Outlook has a usenet posting mechanism?

It does, but it's not renowned for it's abilities. Far better to use
a newsreader coupled with access to usenet via either a free (ISP
based) news server, or other free servers, or the one that many here
use - news.individual.net, which has a 10 euro/year charge.

Examples of newsreaders include Agent (that has a free and a premium
version), Netscape (that's what I use for text groups) plus any on the
list that Steve posted. Since Usenet hasn't changed in many years,
there is no reason for the reader to change either, especially for
text groups, so any old version of netscape/Agent would be fine.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



   
Date: 18 May 2007 18:30:07
From: Ed Needham
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
I don't think Outlook has a newsreader function. I use Outlook Express but
that's different.
--
*********************
Ed Needham®
"to absurdity and beyond!"
http://www.homeroaster.com
(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
*********************

"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:5b6kf0F2qol89U1@mid.individual.net...
> admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I see that the #1 posting platform was MS Outlook Express. I
>> do not use MS Outlook at all. I have always used Eudora for my mail.
>> MS Outlook has a usenet posting mechanism?
>
> It does, but it's not renowned for it's abilities.
<SNIP >




    
Date: 18 May 2007 23:11:27
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
You're right, Ed. When you access Usenet from within Outlook it's pulling up
the Outlook Express news reader. It's pretty robust & easy to use.

I grew up on the internet using NN, NewsX & still use Xnews, news readers,
and moved from using Pine to using Pegasus email clients and still use it on
my laptop (I hate MS products for their bloatware, but I have to use Outlook
on my desktop at home).

Hey, while we're so far off topic, has anyone heard any good rumors about
Paris Hilton?
--
Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

Remove "ZED" from address if replying by email.
"Ed Needham" <ed@NOSPAMhomeroaster.com > wrote in message
news:wMqdnUpxLYNOtdPbnZ2dnUVZ_tSunZ2d@insightbb.com...
>I don't think Outlook has a newsreader function. I use Outlook Express but
>that's different.
> --
> *********************
> Ed Needham®
> "to absurdity and beyond!"
> http://www.homeroaster.com
> (include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
> *********************
>
> "Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com> wrote in message
> news:5b6kf0F2qol89U1@mid.individual.net...
>> admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. I see that the #1 posting platform was MS Outlook Express. I
>>> do not use MS Outlook at all. I have always used Eudora for my mail.
>>> MS Outlook has a usenet posting mechanism?
>>
>> It does, but it's not renowned for it's abilities.
> <SNIP>
>




     
Date: 19 May 2007 16:06:21
From:
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
In alt.coffee, Robert Harmon <r_h_harmon@zhotmail.com > wrote:

> I grew up on the internet using NN, NewsX & still use Xnews, news readers,
> and moved from using Pine to using Pegasus email clients and still use it on
> my laptop (I hate MS products for their bloatware, but I have to use Outlook
> on my desktop at home).

Outlook works well for its intended functions. I use it for mail, contact
info and calendaring.

But for usenet news, I still telnet into my provider and use tin on their
FreeBSD system. I like it.

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel



 
Date: 18 May 2007 13:15:24
From:
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
On May 18, 11:53 am, Steve Ackman <s...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com >
wrote:
> In <1179502015.342509.118...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, on 18 May
> 2007 08:26:55 -0700, a...@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:
>
> > On May 17, 2:45 pm, Steve Ackman <s...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Many, yes. Most? Not even close. Look at the stats
> >> post from early Sunday morning.
>
> > Can you please direct me to that posting? Just interested in looking
> > at it.
>
> Sure, it's atnews:slrnf4d3k3.18ah.steve@wizard.dyndns.org
> If your newsreader/browser doesn't make that clickable,
> I guess you'd go to google groups advanced search and
> put everything after the news: part into the message-id
> search box... or you can go to the thread listing and
> hit "older" until you get back to Sunday morning, or
> you could do a subject search on
> "AC stats week ending 070512"
>
> The short and skinny is this:
> Of 78 people posting, 21 used google groups.
> Of 228 posts, 61 were made via google groups.
>
> It's fairly dynamic though, so by this Sunday, the
> numbers'll be quite different.

I went to the information, however I find it difficult to see where
the google groups reference is. Where would I find that in the
information?

Len

---------------------------------------------
http://www.CoffeeRoastersClub.com



  
Date: 18 May 2007 17:19:01
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
In <1179519324.522749.297690@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >, on 18 May
2007 13:15:24 -0700, admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:

> I went to the information, however I find it difficult to see where
> the google groups reference is. Where would I find that in the
> information?

Danny's already answered, but for more fine-grained
detail, here's the breakdown of the last 483 posts:
(98 of 483 = 20% made via google groups)

108 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028
98 User-Agent: G2/1.0
27 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846
26 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414
21 User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian)
17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200
15 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1118
13 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American)
13 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425
12 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 3.3/32.846
8 User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (Linux)
8 User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25
8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326)
8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221)
5 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180
5 User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (PPC Mac OS X)
4 X-Mailer: ZIMACS
4 User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) NewsHound/v1.50-32
3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
3 X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.50
3 User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (OpenBSD)
3 User-Agent: NewsWatcher-X 2.2.3b2
3 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax)
2 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
2 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652
2 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1117
2 User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (NetBSD/3.1_RC3 (i386))
2 User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.4 (PPC Mac OS X)
1 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807
1 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106
1 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 4.0/32.1071
1 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 Deutsch (Standard)
1 User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (FreeBSD)
1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070326)
1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221)
1 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206)
1 User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.7 (unregistered for 1131 days)
1 User-Agent: KNode/0.10.4
1 User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1



   
Date: 18 May 2007 15:57:59
From: bernie
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
Steve Ackman wrote:

> In <1179519324.522749.297690@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, on 18 May
> 2007 13:15:24 -0700, admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:
>
>
>>I went to the information, however I find it difficult to see where
>>the google groups reference is. Where would I find that in the
>>information?
>
>
> Danny's already answered, but for more fine-grained
> detail, here's the breakdown of the last 483 posts:
> (98 of 483 = 20% made via google groups)
>
> 108 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028
> 98 User-Agent: G2/1.0
> 27 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846
> 26 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414
> 21 User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian)
>

As long as we are out here in the OT weeds a little I have a
question. I have never been able to access the newsgroup via the
wireless at the coffeehouse. I can go through Google and read it. I can
send and receive email just fine and access the web. I've called my
local isp, the wireless manufacturer (ActionTec) and the carrier
(Qwest). I'm finding they are unfamiliar with usenet and haven't been
helpful at all. Any anecdotal evidence that Mozilla would do this? I'm
way over my head trying to discuss this with people over the phone.
Bernie


    
Date: 19 May 2007 07:47:37
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers


    
Date: 18 May 2007 19:22:12
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: META: nntp access {was: Re: New CG forum...
In <464e2167$1@nntp.zianet.com >, on Fri, 18 May 2007 15:57:59 -0600,
bernie wrote:

> As long as we are out here in the OT weeds a little I have a
> question.

Meta discussion is anything about usenet, so it's
topical no matter the group... don't worry, we're still
on topic. :-)

> I have never been able to access the newsgroup via the
> wireless at the coffeehouse.

Most likely reasons:

1) A firewall rule in your router preventing it.
Since you got this through qwest, they would
most likely have set it up for their network...
and maybe have news blocked because of the
potential for parking lot spammers... or the one
cup spammer if you charge for access.

2) The news server you're trying to use has access
control in place to prevent "outside" access.

What news server are you trying to access? Zianet.com
*may* only allow use of their news server from within
their network. A lot of ISPs restrict access that way.

If that is the case, then you'd have to use the
qwest news server (if there is one) or point to a
different news server.

> I can go through Google and read it.

Google is still a web server. You're accessing
via port 80. Standard news servers listen on port 119.
BUT... the vowel soup server listens on several ports,
80 included. IOW, if you can surf the web, you should
be able to use nntp.aoie.org:80.

> I can
> send and receive email just fine and access the web. I've called my
> local isp, the wireless manufacturer (ActionTec) and the carrier
> (Qwest). I'm finding they are unfamiliar with usenet and haven't been
> helpful at all. Any anecdotal evidence that Mozilla would do this?

Mozilla will attempt to access whatever news server
you point it to. I don't have Mozilla anymore, but
Seamonkey is its replacement... which still should work
the same. Go to
Edit - > Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings -> News ->
Server Settings, and make note of what's there. Then
change the Server Name to nntp.aoie.org and change the
port to 80. That should bypass any firewall rules that
might be in place. If that works, then you can throw
away whatever settings are already there. If you want
to *know* whether it's a firewall rule, replace the 80
with 119 and see if you can still access it. If so,
then the problem wasn't a firewall rule.

If even port 80 doesn't work, more trouble-shooting
is in order.

> I'm
> way over my head trying to discuss this with people over the phone.

They're probably in way over their heads too. ;-)


  
Date: 18 May 2007 21:31:54
From: Danny
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:

> I went to the information, however I find it difficult to see where
> the google groups reference is. Where would I find that in the
> information?

Google groups appears as "G2" in the lists of user agents.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



 
Date: 18 May 2007 08:26:55
From:
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
On May 17, 2:45 pm, Steve Ackman <s...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com >
wrote:
> In <1179425743.416778.4...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, on 17 May
> 2007 11:15:43 -0700, a...@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:
>
> > At this point in the game, I would imagine that many if not most
> > people who use the alt groups do so through the Google Groups system.
>
> Many, yes. Most? Not even close. Look at the stats
> post from early Sunday morning.

Can you please direct me to that posting? Just interested in looking
at it.

Len

----------------------------------
http://www.CoffeeRoastersClub.com



  
Date: 18 May 2007 11:53:15
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
In <1179502015.342509.118410@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >, on 18 May
2007 08:26:55 -0700, admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:
> On May 17, 2:45 pm, Steve Ackman <s...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com>
> wrote:

>> Many, yes. Most? Not even close. Look at the stats
>> post from early Sunday morning.
>
> Can you please direct me to that posting? Just interested in looking
> at it.

Sure, it's at news:slrnf4d3k3.18ah.steve@wizard.dyndns.org
If your newsreader/browser doesn't make that clickable,
I guess you'd go to google groups advanced search and
put everything after the news: part into the message-id
search box... or you can go to the thread listing and
hit "older" until you get back to Sunday morning, or
you could do a subject search on
"AC stats week ending 070512"

The short and skinny is this:
Of 78 people posting, 21 used google groups.
Of 228 posts, 61 were made via google groups.

It's fairly dynamic though, so by this Sunday, the
numbers'll be quite different.


 
Date: 17 May 2007 11:15:43
From:
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
On May 17, 1:04 pm, Marshall <mrf...@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:
> On 17 May 2007 08:04:35 -0700, a...@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:
>
> >Hello. Lets be honest here. Actually alt.coffee is a business also,
> >essentially set up in the same way as CG. To explain: If you look to
> >the right of the messages on this board, I do see Google Ads. Its
> >just that the shareholders at Google are the recipients of alt.coffee
> >'s Google Ad click through $$$, while at CG its both the owners of CG
> >and the shareholders at Google.
>
> >Len
>
> >---------------------------------------
> >http://www.CoffeeRoastersClub.com
>
> Google Groups and its ads have nothing to do with alt.coffee. It's
> like complaining there is a Minolta label on your binoculars when you
> look at the Grand Canyon.
>
> Marshall

At this point in the game, I would imagine that many if not most
people who use the alt groups do so through the Google Groups system.
And yes I would complain about Minolta. Come on now.

Len

-----------------------------------------
http://www.CoffeeRoastersClub.com



  
Date: 18 May 2007 20:50:10
From: Danny
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:

> At this point in the game, I would imagine that many if not most
> people who use the alt groups do so through the Google Groups system.
> And yes I would complain about Minolta. Come on now.
>

I would imagine that you are wrong, and even if you are not, that
doesn't make it right. Usenet is a medium that predates the web, and
should be accessed using a news reader, something that is already on
any machine that runs windows and has either IE or
Netscape/derivatives on it. Actually, according to the latest stats
posted this week, Google accounts for 27% of viewers to this group.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



  
Date: 17 May 2007 14:45:31
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
In <1179425743.416778.4600@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >, on 17 May
2007 11:15:43 -0700, admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:

> At this point in the game, I would imagine that many if not most
> people who use the alt groups do so through the Google Groups system.

Many, yes. Most? Not even close. Look at the stats
post from early Sunday morning.



   
Date: 18 May 2007 01:48:24
From: Max
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:
>> At this point in the game, I would imagine that many if not most
>> people who use the alt groups do so through the Google Groups system.

Steve Ackman wrote:
> Many, yes. Most? Not even close. Look at the stats
>post from early Sunday morning.

Boy, do I ever miss Deja News . . .




    
Date: 18 May 2007 11:58:18
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
In <cc1q43p5r3sr0bav909dqjlids6m9r3g7b@4ax.com >, on Fri, 18 May 2007
01:48:24 +0000, Max wrote:

> Steve Ackman wrote:
>> Many, yes. Most? Not even close. Look at the stats
>>post from early Sunday morning.
>
> Boy, do I ever miss Deja News . . .

Should I ask why?

I went from nn on a VAX/VMS shell to DOS Nettamer
to Linux Netscape 3.01 to Linux/FreeBSD slrn.

I seem to vaguely recall having looked at Deja News
once or twice, but never actually "used" it. To me,
NNTP is NNTP, and HTTP is HTTP and ne'r the twain
should meet.


     
Date: 19 May 2007 00:34:47
From: Max
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
>> Boy, do I ever miss Deja News . . .

Steve wrote:
> Should I ask why?
>
> I went from nn on a VAX/VMS shell to DOS Nettamer
>to Linux Netscape 3.01 to Linux/FreeBSD slrn.
>
> I seem to vaguely recall having looked at Deja News
>once or twice, but never actually "used" it. To me,
>NNTP is NNTP, and HTTP is HTTP and ne'r the twain
>should meet.

I should have been more specific: I miss the old Deja News archive.

Deja News circa 1995 to 1998 was just a searchable archive with no posting
capability.

Once Deja News began to allow posting from its interface in '99 things started
to go south. And then when Google bought the archive . . . well, we all know
about that.



 
Date: 17 May 2007 10:13:40
From:
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
> This forum already exsisits. It is called home-barista.com.

Actually, no it doesn't. The HB forums aren't broken down to near the
level that CG has. The new forum will be geared specifically to
repair and mods.

> Not to spark a flame but, Robert isn't your post an advertisment for
> CG? CG is a business disguised as a fan site. H-B has intellectual
> modding conversation that is well balanced and lacks the pay for
> review style of CG. Just my opinion, and well we all know that I'm
> just a crazy man.

Not to spark a flame here either, but HB has sponsors as well. Face
it, you will not find a site of the caliber of either CG or HB without
some form of sponsorship. BTW, HB also does reviews of equipment
supplied by it's sponsors.

IMHO both Mark and Dan have done fantastic jobs on their sites and WE
are collectively the better for it.

Kurt



  
Date: 18 May 2007 08:46:48
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers


  
Date: 17 May 2007 17:32:59
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
Amen, brother, amen!

--

Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

Remove "ZED" from address if replying by email.
<old_442@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:1179422020.344734.270830@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

> IMHO both Mark and Dan have done fantastic jobs on their sites and WE
> are collectively the better for it.
>
> Kurt
>




 
Date: 17 May 2007 08:04:35
From:
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
On May 17, 12:10 am, tziniew...@gmail.com wrote:
> On May 15, 7:42 am, Robert Harmon <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mark Prince has been cajoled into creating a new forum on his site
> > dedicated to those who enjoy working on espresso equipment. The exact date
> > for it's creation has not been set, but I for one am very excited about it.
>
> > Atta boy, Mark, atta boy!
>
> > Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
> > newsgroup!) Harmon
> > --http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj-My coffee pages.http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87-My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2-I have things for sale here.
>
> > Remove "ZED" from address if replying by email.
>
> This forum already exsisits. It is called home-barista.com.
>
> Not to spark a flame but, Robert isn't your post an advertisment for
> CG? CG is a business disguised as a fan site. H-B has intellectual
> modding conversation that is well balanced and lacks the pay for
> review style of CG. Just my opinion, and well we all know that I'm
> just a crazy man.

Hello. Lets be honest here. Actually alt.coffee is a business also,
essentially set up in the same way as CG. To explain: If you look to
the right of the messages on this board, I do see Google Ads. Its
just that the shareholders at Google are the recipients of alt.coffee
's Google Ad click through $$$, while at CG its both the owners of CG
and the shareholders at Google.

Len

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http://www.CoffeeRoastersClub.com



  
Date: 18 May 2007 20:47:16
From: Danny
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:

> Hello. Lets be honest here. Actually alt.coffee is a business also,
> essentially set up in the same way as CG. To explain: If you look to
> the right of the messages on this board, I do see Google Ads. Its
> just that the shareholders at Google are the recipients of alt.coffee
> 's Google Ad click through $$$, while at CG its both the owners of CG
> and the shareholders at Google.

You really should learn about usenet. It's not a "board" it's a
newsgroup, which should be viewed using a newsreader. If you choose
to use Google as your "reader" you will get whatever ads Google wants
you to see.


--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



  
Date: 17 May 2007 14:28:18
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
In <1179414275.228981.132740@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com >, on 17 May
2007 08:04:35 -0700, admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:

> Hello. Lets be honest here. Actually alt.coffee is a business also,
> essentially set up in the same way as CG.

Not even close. CG is a website. It exists on one
url only. It is controlled by one person.

alt.coffee is a newsgroup which exists on tens of
thousands of servers, and is controlled by nobody.

> To explain: If you look to
> the right of the messages on this board, I do see Google Ads.

If YOU look to the right, that's what YOU see.
If *I* look to the right... well... what do YOU see here?
http://twoloonscoffee.com/images/newsreader.png

> Its
> just that the shareholders at Google are the recipients of alt.coffee
> 's Google Ad click through $$$, while at CG its both the owners of CG
> and the shareholders at Google.

Nope. alt.coffee doesn't have any place to display
ads. alt.coffee has nothing to do with google.



  
Date: 17 May 2007 17:04:51
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
On 17 May 2007 08:04:35 -0700, admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:

>Hello. Lets be honest here. Actually alt.coffee is a business also,
>essentially set up in the same way as CG. To explain: If you look to
>the right of the messages on this board, I do see Google Ads. Its
>just that the shareholders at Google are the recipients of alt.coffee
>'s Google Ad click through $$$, while at CG its both the owners of CG
>and the shareholders at Google.
>
>Len
>
>---------------------------------------
>http://www.CoffeeRoastersClub.com

Google Groups and its ads have nothing to do with alt.coffee. It's
like complaining there is a Minolta label on your binoculars when you
look at the Grand Canyon.

Marshall


  
Date: 17 May 2007 10:43:59
From: North Sullivan
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
On 17 May 2007 08:04:35 -0700, admin@coffeeroastersclub.com wrote:

>
>Hello. Lets be honest here. Actually alt.coffee is a business also,
>essentially set up in the same way as CG. To explain: If you look to
>the right of the messages on this board, I do see Google Ads. Its
>just that the shareholders at Google are the recipients of alt.coffee
>'s Google Ad click through $$$, while at CG its both the owners of CG
>and the shareholders at Google.
>
>Len


That's because you are using google groups to view alt.coffee. That
little problem disappears if you're using a newsreader for viewing
newsgroups.

North Sullivan




 
Date: 16 May 2007 21:10:07
From:
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
On May 15, 7:42 am, Robert Harmon <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com > wrote:
> Mark Prince has been cajoled into creating a new forum on his site
> dedicated to those who enjoy working on espresso equipment. The exact date
> for it's creation has not been set, but I for one am very excited about it.
>
> Atta boy, Mark, atta boy!
>
> Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
> newsgroup!) Harmon
> --http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj- My coffee pages.http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87- My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2- I have things for sale here.
>
> Remove "ZED" from address if replying by email.

This forum already exsisits. It is called home-barista.com.

Not to spark a flame but, Robert isn't your post an advertisment for
CG? CG is a business disguised as a fan site. H-B has intellectual
modding conversation that is well balanced and lacks the pay for
review style of CG. Just my opinion, and well we all know that I'm
just a crazy man.




  
Date: 17 May 2007 11:34:21
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
You may have a point about CG, but it's one of three forums in wide use
among coffee geeks. I use this forum & CG mainly (nothing against HB but
nothing for either, I just find that two forums is all I need).

I just wanted a dedicated forum for the exchange of ideas about modding,
repairing, & restoring espresso machines.

Thanks for the reply!
--
Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

Remove "ZED" from address if replying by email.
<tziniewicz@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1179375007.792387.327290@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On May 15, 7:42 am, Robert Harmon <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com> wrote:
>> Mark Prince has been cajoled into creating a new forum on his site
>> dedicated to those who enjoy working on espresso equipment. The exact
>> date
>> for it's creation has not been set, but I for one am very excited about
>> it.
>>
>> Atta boy, Mark, atta boy!
>>
>> Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
>> newsgroup!) Harmon
>> --http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj- My coffee
>> pages.http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87- My 'Guidelines For Newbies'
>> page.http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2- I have things for sale here.
>>
>> Remove "ZED" from address if replying by email.
>
> This forum already exsisits. It is called home-barista.com.
>
> Not to spark a flame but, Robert isn't your post an advertisment for
> CG? CG is a business disguised as a fan site. H-B has intellectual
> modding conversation that is well balanced and lacks the pay for
> review style of CG. Just my opinion, and well we all know that I'm
> just a crazy man.
>
>




 
Date: 16 May 2007 07:48:26
From:
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
On May 15, 10:42 am, Robert Harmon <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com > wrote:
> Mark Prince has been cajoled into creating a new forum on his site
> dedicated to those who enjoy working on espresso equipment. The exact date
> for it's creation has not been set, but I for one am very excited about it.
>
> Atta boy, Mark, atta boy!
>
> Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
> newsgroup!) Harmon

Bob,

Is Mark creating it just for espresso equipment, or mods on other
stuff such as roasters also?

Len

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http://www.CoffeeRoastersClub.com




  
Date: 16 May 2007 15:23:10
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
When I proposed the new forum I just specified espresso machines. It might
help if you ask him to include roasters, grinders, etc. in the forum
charter, because I've heard that they're cracking down on posting in
incorrect forums.

Can't hurt to ask or wait & see?
--
Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

Remove "ZED" from address if replying by email.
<admin@coffeeroastersclub.com > wrote in message
news:1179326906.435517.25480@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On May 15, 10:42 am, Robert Harmon <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com> wrote:
>> Mark Prince has been cajoled into creating a new forum on his site
>> dedicated to those who enjoy working on espresso equipment. The exact
>> date
>> for it's creation has not been set, but I for one am very excited about
>> it.
>>
>> Atta boy, Mark, atta boy!
>>
>> Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
>> newsgroup!) Harmon
>
> Bob,
>
> Is Mark creating it just for espresso equipment, or mods on other
> stuff such as roasters also?
>
> Len
>
> --------------------------------
> http://www.CoffeeRoastersClub.com
>
>




 
Date: 15 May 2007 11:20:07
From: JimG
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:42:46 GMT, Robert Harmon
<r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote:

>Mark Prince has been cajoled into creating a new forum on his site
>dedicated to those who enjoy working on espresso equipment. The exact date
>for it's creation has not been set, but I for one am very excited about it.
>
>Atta boy, Mark, atta boy!
>
>Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
>newsgroup!) Harmon

Nice work, Tex. I'm looking forward to seeing the new forum.

Jim


  
Date: 15 May 2007 15:38:13
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers
JimG <jggall01@yahoo.com > wrote in
news:aqjj43d09vk8rubp3bvn2e1n2ppar4odo9@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:42:46 GMT, Robert Harmon
> <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Mark Prince has been cajoled into creating a new forum on his site
>>dedicated to those who enjoy working on espresso equipment. The exact
>>date for it's creation has not been set, but I for one am very excited
>>about it.
>>
>>Atta boy, Mark, atta boy!
>>
>>Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
>>newsgroup!) Harmon
>
> Nice work, Tex. I'm looking forward to seeing the new forum.
>
> Jim

That's Cajun Man to you, Jim. ;)

Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
newsgroup!) Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.

Remove "ZED" from address if replying by email.


 
Date: 15 May 2007 07:53:10
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: New CG forum for modders, refurbers, & restorers

>
> Robert (Please don't buy from folks that post advertisements in this
> newsgroup!) Harmon


.http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2- I have things for sale here.