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Date: 24 Apr 2007 19:24:36
From: Marshall
Subject: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May
Importika has announced the details on the Gaggia Baby Twin that was
speculated about here last fall. Brew boiler, thermoblock steam, slick
new control "dial," stainless steel housing and $599 MSRP. Available
next month.

http://www.importika.com/Gaggia/baby_twin.cfm

Marshall




 
Date: 27 Apr 2007 11:09:23
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May
On Apr 27, 11:34 am, hbuchtel <henry.buch...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Would it be possible to pull a shot and steam at the same time?
>
> Henry
>
>

my guess is NO as there is one pump and a thermoblock which must be
fed by a pump.

but the steam would be available in a few seconds, not much longer.

(similar to Saeco/gaggia supers w/ "rapid steam feature")

dave



 
Date: 27 Apr 2007 08:34:05
From: hbuchtel
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May
Would it be possible to pull a shot and steam at the same time?

Henry

On Apr 25, 3:24 am, Marshall <mrf...@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:
> Importika has announced the details on the Gaggia Baby Twin that was
> speculated about here last fall. Brew boiler, thermoblock steam, slick
> new control "dial," stainless steel housing and $599 MSRP. Available
> next month.
>
> http://www.importika.com/Gaggia/baby_twin.cfm
>
> Marshall




 
Date: 27 Apr 2007 06:08:05
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May
On Apr 26, 8:46 pm, r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
> Dave b <davebobbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>


  
Date: 28 Apr 2007 00:35:48
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May



 
Date: 26 Apr 2007 10:22:50
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May
On Apr 26, 5:12 am, r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
>


  
Date: 27 Apr 2007 00:46:22
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May
Dave b <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote:



 
Date: 26 Apr 2007 05:48:51
From: hbuchtel
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May
Cool, it is iPod capable! ;)

Henry


On Apr 25, 3:24 am, Marshall <mrf...@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:
> Importika has announced the details on the Gaggia Baby Twin that was
> speculated about here last fall. Brew boiler, thermoblock steam, slick
> new control "dial," stainless steel housing and $599 MSRP. Available
> next month.
>
> http://www.importika.com/Gaggia/baby_twin.cfm
>
> Marshall




 
Date: 25 Apr 2007 22:46:49
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May


More aluminum.

dave



  
Date: 26 Apr 2007 09:12:43
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May


 
Date: 25 Apr 2007 07:36:16
From: jim schulman
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:24:36 GMT, Marshall
<mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:

>Importika has announced the details on the Gaggia Baby Twin that was
>speculated about here last fall. Brew boiler, thermoblock steam, slick
>new control "dial," stainless steel housing and $599 MSRP. Available
>next month.
>
>http://www.importika.com/Gaggia/baby_twin.cfm
>

The ESE pod system means it also has to have an OPV set to 11 bar. The
Silvia has this now, since it went for ESE certification.

The frothing attachment on the Gaggias are now permanent, but one can
stuff the aeration holes.


 
Date: 25 Apr 2007 09:23:18
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May
Marshall <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:



  
Date: 25 Apr 2007 07:37:21
From: Moka Java
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May
D. Ross wrote:
> Marshall <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net> wrote:
>
>


   
Date: 25 Apr 2007 18:45:43
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May


 
Date: 24 Apr 2007 21:16:02
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May
Howdy Marshall!
It's funny that Gaggia went with a thermoblock rather than a HX; 1)
thermoblocks are nothing more than a heat exchanger tube with an external
heat source, 2) from what friends have told me, thermoblocks have
reliability issues, especially if the water isn't scrupulously filtered.

I guess if they'd gone with a HX they would've had to admit the aluminum
boiler was inadequate for the task. I suppose it'll be another 10 years
before they try something *new* again?
--
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"Marshall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote in message
news:36ms23p52r4k3rf7cdjk0b9s2di6ph7g7f@4ax.com...
> Importika has announced the details on the Gaggia Baby Twin that was
> speculated about here last fall. Brew boiler, thermoblock steam, slick
> new control "dial," stainless steel housing and $599 MSRP. Available
> next month.
>
> http://www.importika.com/Gaggia/baby_twin.cfm
>
> Marshall




  
Date: 24 Apr 2007 22:28:59
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:16:02 GMT, "Robert Harmon"
<r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote:

>Howdy Marshall!
>It's funny that Gaggia went with a thermoblock rather than a HX; 1)
>thermoblocks are nothing more than a heat exchanger tube with an external
>heat source, 2) from what friends have told me, thermoblocks have
>reliability issues, especially if the water isn't scrupulously filtered.
>
>I guess if they'd gone with a HX they would've had to admit the aluminum
>boiler was inadequate for the task. I suppose it'll be another 10 years
>before they try something *new* again?

I don't know of anyone selling an HX machine for $600. So, I'm sure
cost was a major factor.

I had a thermoblock Braun that worked (poorly) for years. I understand
they create steam by short bursts of water. I also understand there is
nothing that prevents a thermoblock from performing as well as a
boiler, other than the cheapness of the components normally used in
consumer machines. But, I have no opinion on how well Gaggia's will
work, since I've never seen a Gaggia thermo in action. I do hope the
frothing enhancer is removable. They usually produce cool foam with
big bubbles

Marshall


   
Date: 25 Apr 2007 01:58:55
From: Bill (Adopt)
Subject: Re: New Gaggia Baby Twin arriving in U.S. in May
In article <ds0t23t2vp8no17jp0galscdlfc242mifo@4ax.com >,
Marshall <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:16:02 GMT, "Robert Harmon"
> <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote:

> >Howdy Marshall!
> >It's funny that Gaggia went with a thermoblock rather than a HX; 1)
> >thermoblocks are nothing more than a heat exchanger tube with an external
> >heat source, 2) from what friends have told me, thermoblocks have
> >reliability issues, especially if the water isn't scrupulously filtered.

My first machine - a really cheap, sale price,
Woolworth's (GB) almost identical to the one
Randy G's was keeping in in his BC mobile RV
country estate - operates with a 15 bar thermo
block. It hasn't failed yet, after three years
and, together with it's 'pressurerised' pf still
spins a very passable espresso when required.

Mind, it has been semi-retired and is now used
as a backup machine since the arrival of the Gaggia
Coffee. The thermoblock will still produce decent
extra steam if/when required. In full use it did
seem to require a descale about once every six to
eight weeks - although that might have been a little
fussy. It cost less than 30.00gbp - and that with
a years warranty!

> >I guess if they'd gone with a HX they would've had to admit the aluminum
> >boiler was inadequate for the task. I suppose it'll be another 10 years
> >before they try something *new* again?

> I don't know of anyone selling an HX machine for $600. So, I'm sure
> cost was a major factor.

You are undoubtedly correct. It seems to be aimed at
a market niche just above the run-of-the-mill thermo
and not yet towards the high-end specialist machine
levl.

Although different in 'shape', it's spec seems a little
like Kitchen Aid's twin machine. As I rather think Gaggia
is now also owned by the French side of Saeco, then the
new Baby may share similar components to their other
variously badged machines. Perhaps there's a bit of
cross-fertilisation going on - not necessarily a 'bad'
thing..

> I had a thermoblock Braun that worked (poorly) for years. I understand
> they create steam by short bursts of water. I also understand there is
> nothing that prevents a thermoblock from performing as well as a
> boiler, other than the cheapness of the components normally used in
> consumer machines.

As a twin, then it's possible that the 'strain' placed
on the machine by trying to do two jobs at once is relieved.
Each 'boiler' can now, (as supposedly the Kitchen Aid), be
optomised for it's intended purpose. (I'm sure that's what
they'd wish us to believe)...!

> But, I have no opinion on how well Gaggia's will
> work, since I've never seen a Gaggia thermo in action.
> I do hope the
> frothing enhancer is removable. They usually produce
> cool foam with
> big bubbles

..if not, (or if so), then a big pair of tin snips, a
die, a couple of nuts, an odd gimbal and a suitably
hand-cranked bit of old Rancilio tubing might make
the grade ..along with the all the PID'ing perhaps?

After all, I'll bet 'they' deliberately produce these
things as slightly less than design perfect, just to
give alties something to sink fangs and garage basement
metal shops into... ;'))

Bill ZFC

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