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Date: 11 Nov 2006 22:12:29
From: Coffee Lover Girl
Subject: Novo Hache
Well I visited the Novo coffee place today, the one in Arvada CO.

They said that they roast once a week for their stores, at their main
plant downtown.

They have basically 4 different coffees that they offer in whole bean, and
had foil sample packs of them for $2.25 each, so I said what the heck and
bought one of each to try.

I tried the Hache tonight and it's a nice mild mannered restaurant tasting
coffee, that would probably be best suited for people who weren't as into
bold but kicking flavor as I am. :)



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Date: 13 Nov 2006 11:49:34
From: Flasherly
Subject: Re: Novo Hache
Felix wrote:
>
> If you have a great palate, you can skip from Sulawesi to Sidamo
> without missing a beat. Not being so gifted, I usually ignore the first
> pot when making such a transition...
> Of course, you might be right about this coffee. After all, the world
> is full of naked emperors. On the other hand, your opinion's value
> isn't based on your passion and your willingness to change your mind.
> If it doesn't help someone understand the ket, it's useless.

That's nice to know, though definately missed a beat after consuming
5lbs. of Costa Rician Tarrazu -- a fine tasting coffee though not of a
quality that impressed me rekably unusual from what perhaps Latin to
South American coffes may in the broadest sense share (broadest North
American commercial source blends?) -- and switching to 5lbs. African
Kenya AA. I may enjoy, more in time, a subtleness about the Kenya,
although without a comparitive advantage from any prior taste
experience. Very strange in rolling Kenya over the tongue and the
residual effect. Believe a nutty aspect attracted me in an affixed
website taste description when ordering, if not then fruity. More like
a vegetable matter is my first reaction in two consecutive double
doses, generally vegtetables such as legumes. Though a light roast, an
analogy as to switching from a dark roast of peanuts to what some
consider a Southern delicacy, boiled or sometimes labeled green
peanuts. Indeed - it's quite a ket with varied interest points to
converge upon. As much as I like bulk ordering at a minimum of 5lbs.
an aptness you mention for lesser half- or single-pound quanties
appears sensible for going after an impression that needn't
necessarily change, while it's what one thoroughly enjoys.



 
Date: 12 Nov 2006 16:29:08
From: Felix
Subject: Re: Novo Hache
rasqual writes:
> One of the problems we home roasters have, I think, is that we
> don't keep in touch enough with commercially roasted coffees --
> I mean, good ones. I know that's my problem [...]

The problem isn't limited to home roasters, or coffee. It's easy to
acquire a habit of rebuying something, merely because it was good
enough before, thereby ignoring the alternatives and maintaining a
narrow perspective of the ket. Last year, I could have just bought
that great Tortuga over and over again, but that would have been
self-limiting. So I didn't buy enough :-(

Yesterday, I bought some Papa Nicholas Mocha Java, because I thought it
would be interesting to see how well I can do at the local superket
(Dominick's). 12 oz. of superket coffee won't kill me. It will make
me stronger :-)


Felix



 
Date: 12 Nov 2006 13:35:52
From: rasqual
Subject: Re: Novo Hache
On Nov 12, 12:38 pm, Coffee Lover Girl <Coffee_Lo...@coffee.zzz >
wrote:
> "rasqual" <scott.qua...@gmail.com> wrote :

> > Yeah, it's a good origin. I wouldn't call it "restaurant" by any
> > stretch, though. I can't think of many restaurants that serve DP
> > Harrars. And I'm not sure it's as much "mild" as it is "balanced."
> > Just a thought.
>
> > But what do you mean by "bold but kicking?"

[...]

> > - ScottI guess, taking that into account, I'm unsophisticated as an official
> taste judge. :)

Join the crowd. Me too. It's just hard to communicate what the
qualities of a particular coffee are if everything reduces to a few
common terms that are often carelessly tossed about by coffee keters
(I'm not implying that you're being careless yourself).

> It's now been transplaced by the Whole Foods' Sulawesi, which I like
> much better. How would you characterize that with these wheels?

Dunno. But maybe I'll buy some of it so I can see what you're talking
about.

One of the problems we home roasters have, I think, is that we don't
keep in touch enough with commercially roasted coffees -- I mean, good
ones. I know that's my problem -- one I've recently come to terms with.
I'm going to make a commitment to trying more of the good coffees that
are available from independent roasters, so this one will be on my
short list.

- Scott



  
Date: 12 Nov 2006 15:52:12
From: Coffee Lover Girl
Subject: Re: Novo Hache
"rasqual" <scott.quardt@gmail.com > wrote :

> On Nov 12, 12:38 pm, Coffee Lover Girl <Coffee_Lo...@coffee.zzz>
> wrote:
>> "rasqual" <scott.qua...@gmail.com> wrote :
>
>> > Yeah, it's a good origin. I wouldn't call it "restaurant" by any
>> > stretch, though. I can't think of many restaurants that serve DP
>> > Harrars. And I'm not sure it's as much "mild" as it is "balanced."
>> > Just a thought.
>>
>> > But what do you mean by "bold but kicking?"
>
> [...]
>
>> > - ScottI guess, taking that into account, I'm unsophisticated as
>> > an official
>> taste judge. :)
>
> Join the crowd. Me too. It's just hard to communicate what the
> qualities of a particular coffee are if everything reduces to a few
> common terms that are often carelessly tossed about by coffee
> keters (I'm not implying that you're being careless yourself).
>
>> It's now been transplaced by the Whole Foods' Sulawesi, which I like
>> much better. How would you characterize that with these wheels?
>
> Dunno. But maybe I'll buy some of it so I can see what you're talking
> about.
>
> One of the problems we home roasters have, I think, is that we don't
> keep in touch enough with commercially roasted coffees -- I mean,
> good ones. I know that's my problem -- one I've recently come to
> terms with. I'm going to make a commitment to trying more of the good
> coffees that are available from independent roasters, so this one
> will be on my short list.
>
> - Scott
>
>

When my sister and bro in law visited Hawaii they sent me a pound of
Kona from there, but it was probably roasted a month or so before I got
it, they didn't send it until they got home, and maybe a week after
that. But it was still very good at the time, I just dont know how to
compare it to what I'm getting spoiled to now. :)



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Date: 11 Nov 2006 22:45:34
From: rasqual
Subject: Re: Novo Hache
On Nov 11, 10:12 pm, Coffee Lover Girl <Coffee_Lo...@coffee.zzz >
wrote:
> Well I visited the Novo coffee place today, the one in Arvada CO.
>
> They said that they roast once a week for their stores, at their main
> plant downtown.
>
> They have basically 4 different coffees that they offer in whole bean, and
> had foil sample packs of them for $2.25 each, so I said what the heck and
> bought one of each to try.
>
> I tried the Hache tonight and it's a nice mild mannered restaurant tasting
> coffee, that would probably be best suited for people who weren't as into
> bold but kicking flavor as I am. :)

Yeah, it's a good origin. I wouldn't call it "restaurant" by any
stretch, though. I can't think of many restaurants that serve DP
Harrars. And I'm not sure it's as much "mild" as it is "balanced." Just
a thought.

But what do you mean by "bold but kicking?"

Which flavors from the standard flavor wheel would you pin that general
description to?

http://www.sakurasan.com/blog/img/flavor.jpg

or

http://www.sweetias.com/tastewheel1.jpg

- Scott



  
Date: 12 Nov 2006 12:38:20
From: Coffee Lover Girl
Subject: Re: Novo Hache
"rasqual" <scott.quardt@gmail.com > wrote :

> On Nov 11, 10:12 pm, Coffee Lover Girl <Coffee_Lo...@coffee.zzz>
> wrote:
>> Well I visited the Novo coffee place today, the one in Arvada CO.
>>
>> They said that they roast once a week for their stores, at their
>> main plant downtown.
>>
>> They have basically 4 different coffees that they offer in whole
>> bean, and had foil sample packs of them for $2.25 each, so I said
>> what the heck and bought one of each to try.
>>
>> I tried the Hache tonight and it's a nice mild mannered restaurant
>> tasting coffee, that would probably be best suited for people who
>> weren't as into bold but kicking flavor as I am. :)
>
> Yeah, it's a good origin. I wouldn't call it "restaurant" by any
> stretch, though. I can't think of many restaurants that serve DP
> Harrars. And I'm not sure it's as much "mild" as it is "balanced."
> Just a thought.
>
> But what do you mean by "bold but kicking?"
>
> Which flavors from the standard flavor wheel would you pin that
> general description to?
>
> http://www.sakurasan.com/blog/img/flavor.jpg
>
> or
>
> http://www.sweetias.com/tastewheel1.jpg
>
> - Scott

I guess, taking that into account, I'm unsophisticated as an official
taste judge. :)

Let's just say that I've tried about all the Starbucks coffees and have
been fixated on their Sulawesi for a few years now. That taste. ( you
can characterize it with the wheels etc. )

It's now been transplaced by the Whole Foods' Sulawesi, which I like
much better. How would you characterize that with these wheels?

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http://pleasehelpjennifer.com/


 
Date: 11 Nov 2006 21:45:13
From: Felix
Subject: Re: Novo Hache
Coffee Lover Girl writes:
> Well I visited the Novo coffee place today, the one in Arvada CO.

Since the DAM isn't worth ...

> I tried the Hache tonight and it's a nice mild mannered restaurant
> tasting coffee, [...]

I guess there are alties who continue to search for good coffee at
restaurants, knowing that the search is a futile exercise. Long ago,
there was a brief period when the Bel Canto pizzeria in Cambridge
served coffee made from George Howell's beans. It will be a while
before the planets are aligned like that again.

If you have a great palate, you can skip from Sulawesi to Sidamo
without missing a beat. Not being so gifted, I usually ignore the first
pot when making such a transition, and am a bit more disciplined about
tasting as a result.

Some people are fond of comparing coffee with wine, which doesn't make
much sense to me, but I'll use the analogy ... Suppose I like CA merlot
and don't have much experience with other styles, and I attend a
tasting of wines where each region/varietal is represented by at most
one wine. What happens? The tasting presents diverse styles of wine,
but it's unlikely to change my preference for CA merlot and wines that
are stylistically similar. In other words, I probably won't learn much
from it.

> people who weren't as into bold but kicking flavor as I am. :)

If one of the sample packets was their Sumatran, I would have started
with it. I also wouldn't assume that your brewing technique is optimal
for all varieties. Sometimes, small adjustments make a big difference,
which is why I'm happy to buy 1/2 lb. "samples" and don't mind buying
full pounds. If it doesn't work out, there's room in the freezer, and
another opportunity to create an ad hoc blend.

Of course, you might be right about this coffee. After all, the world
is full of naked emperors. On the other hand, your opinion's value
isn't based on your passion and your willingness to change your mind.
If it doesn't help someone understand the ket, it's useless.


Felix



 
Date: 11 Nov 2006 21:59:37
From: Ken Fox
Subject: Re: Novo Hache
"Coffee Lover Girl" <Coffee_Lover@coffee.zzz > wrote in message
news:24ednYEMbcOwAsvYnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@forethought.net...
> Well I visited the Novo coffee place today, the one in Arvada CO.
>
> They said that they roast once a week for their stores, at their main
> plant downtown.
>
> They have basically 4 different coffees that they offer in whole bean, and
> had foil sample packs of them for $2.25 each, so I said what the heck and
> bought one of each to try.
>
> I tried the Hache tonight and it's a nice mild mannered restaurant tasting
> coffee, that would probably be best suited for people who weren't as into
> bold but kicking flavor as I am. :)
>
>
>
> --
> Coffee Lover
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Coffee_/
> http://pleasehelpjennifer.com/

granted, I'm not responding to your post (and I do hope you like the coffees
you have purchased) but rather to the link at the bottom of the page. I
have now labored through reading this webpage, detailing the unfortunate
last 13 years of someone claiming to be "jennifer."

I would ask you, as someone who has chosen to list this link at the bottom
of your posts, do you have any independant and verified knowledge of any of
assertions of the author of this webpage, that any of what is contained
within is in fact verifiably correct?

I don't know this for a fact but I would be willing to bet that the internet
is littered with pages such as this.

ken




  
Date: 12 Nov 2006 12:33:13
From: Coffee Lover Girl
Subject: Re: Novo Hache
"Ken Fox" <morceaudemerdeThisMerdeGoes@hotmail.com > wrote :

> "Coffee Lover Girl" <Coffee_Lover@coffee.zzz> wrote in message
> news:24ednYEMbcOwAsvYnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@forethought.net...
>> Well I visited the Novo coffee place today, the one in Arvada CO.
>>
>> They said that they roast once a week for their stores, at their
>> main plant downtown.
>>
>> They have basically 4 different coffees that they offer in whole
>> bean, and had foil sample packs of them for $2.25 each, so I said
>> what the heck and bought one of each to try.
>>
>> I tried the Hache tonight and it's a nice mild mannered restaurant
>> tasting coffee, that would probably be best suited for people who
>> weren't as into bold but kicking flavor as I am. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Coffee Lover
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Coffee_/
>> http://pleasehelpjennifer.com/
>
> granted, I'm not responding to your post (and I do hope you like the
> coffees you have purchased) but rather to the link at the bottom of
> the page. I have now labored through reading this webpage, detailing
> the unfortunate last 13 years of someone claiming to be "jennifer."
>
> I would ask you, as someone who has chosen to list this link at the
> bottom of your posts, do you have any independant and verified
> knowledge of any of assertions of the author of this webpage, that
> any of what is contained within is in fact verifiably correct?

Yes, or I wouldn't have posted the link.

> I don't know this for a fact but I would be willing to bet that the
> internet is littered with pages such as this.

Who knows? This is a true one.



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Coffee Lover

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http://pleasehelpjennifer.com/