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Date: 07 Apr 2007 17:52:20
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
I'm totally gaga over this La Marzocco: http://tinyurl.com/yta6pd. I've only
seen one like it before, but it wasn't done in red like this is. I showed
this link to the Ol' Ball & Chain and nearly crapped my undies when she
agreed with me & told me that if I wouldn't mind sleeping in the garage with
it to go ahead & get buy it as her Christmas present to me. Gotta love this
woman...

Now where should I hang my hammock, over the 'vette restoration or maybe
over the LM in the winter to keep warm?
--
Robert (Definitely has plans to croak owning the most toys!) Harmon
www.tinyurl.com/34r5dx - My attempt at blogging.
www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - Guidelines for coffee newbies.
www.tinyurl.com/37gwfr - I have stuff available for sale.






 
Date: 09 Apr 2007 09:20:24
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
On Apr 9, 10:14 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net > wrote:
> Natalie Drest wrote:
> > "D. Ross" <r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu> wrote in message
> >news:461987d5.12008527@localhost...
> >>> the maximum possible. Now if you want conspicuous consumption check
> >>> out Gore's HUGE home & tell me who'd be wasting the most energy.
>
> >> This machine ...
> >> ... As it is cheaper than some one-group machines, I don't think it
> >> is an extravagance for anyone who has a strong interest in coffee,
> >> and sufficient room to house it.
>
> > Many large, gas-guzzling vehicles are cheaper- and prettier- than some
> > smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles- but this doesn't justify
> > driving them unless you *really* need them, eg. you work in isolated
> > areas etc. Otherwise, they ARE an extravagance, and one the planet
> > can't afford, even if personally you can.
>
> > Likewise, if a single group machine does what you need, but you
> > choose a 4-group machine, then you're just needlessly consuming
> > resources, and contributing to greenhouse emissions. I'm not being an
> > ascetic environmentalist here, I'm just trying to encourage a litle
> > reflection and restraint. I have a nice machine myself- but it has a
> > small boiler that heats up in a few minutes & doesn't use much power
> > doing it. I don't see why Mr. Harmon should use up so much power just
> > because he can. It seems stupid & greedy. It's symptomatic of an
> > attitude problem shared, it would seem, by many americans who feel it
> > is their birthright to consume as much as they are able to, without
> > restraint. The U.S. is currently responsible for 1/4 of the world's
> > energy usage. How long do you think this can go on?
>
> I calculated it once. After we get fusion going it can go on for a
> large multiple of the estimated life of the universe.
>
> It won't go on forever though. Eventually the rest of the world will
> catch up.
>
> > More to the
> > point, do YOU think it SHOULD go on?
>
> Why should it not?
>
> > Furthermore, there are plenty of single-group machines available that
> > will make a BETTER shot- for LESS money.
> > I'm sure regular alt.coffee-ers could name a dozen.
>
> >> If you can't publicly covet nice coffee machines on a.c, where *can*
> >> you do it?-)
>
> > True, it's a nice machine. So buy it, and put it in a museum. Unless
> > you operate a coffee shop.
>
> So you're saying that hobbyists should be denied their hobbies in the
> name of political correctness?
>
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Hey, he's just gonna look at it mostly, and wax it, etc.

NOT run it much.



 
Date: 09 Apr 2007 05:01:32
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
On Apr 8, 10:08 pm, "Natalie Drest" <mccoey06...@tpgCOAT.com.au >
wrote:
> "D. Ross" <r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:461987d5.12008527@localhost...
>
> >


  
Date: 09 Apr 2007 12:45:13
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
Howdy Bub!
It's nice to know that you're in complete agreement with Ms. Drest. While
it's no guarantee that my position is 100% supportable it, your position
means I'm on the side of the angels on this one.

{;-)

--
Robert (Tell those poor suckers in Cleveland & Rochester about global
warming. They need a good laugh today!) Harmon
www.tinyurl.com/34r5dx - My attempt at blogging.
www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - Guidelines for coffee newbies.
www.tinyurl.com/37gwfr - I have stuff available for sale.

"daveb" <davebobblane@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1176120092.426656.167490@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 8, 10:08 pm, "Natalie Drest" <mccoey06...@tpgCOAT.com.au>
> wrote:
>> "D. Ross" <r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu> wrote in message
>>
>> news:461987d5.12008527@localhost...
>>
>> >


 
Date: 09 Apr 2007 04:59:00
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!

>
> Why do you shout? Have I touched a nerve?
>
> Perhaps you can explain why you NEED (since you used that word) a 4-group
> machine?
>
> I know you don't have to, and I don't expect you to. But you should try
> explaining it to yourself.

Natalie! it is really pointless to respond to harmon.

With his (porbably fictional) BIG "land" and "water yachts" his BIG
car collection, his vast collection of odd espresso machines, his 20
year old scotch, his vast accompishments, his " 'ol ball and chain"
spouse and huge love of braggadocio, you are really talking to a wall.

But he is having FUN, fun, fun!

[ and re: the need for a 4 group? IMHO, to compensate for his
insecurities.]

Dave

877 286 2833




 
Date: 08 Apr 2007 20:44:41
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
On Apr 8, 10:35 pm, "Natalie Drest" <mccoey06...@tpgCOAT.com.au >
wrote:
> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_har...@Zhotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8siSh.1132$3P3.278@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...> Meant to say=
, "And I'm sorry so many Americans are crowding into your
>
> space.
>
> We don't mind them. After all, they've exhibited good taste by moving her=
e=2E

Touch=E9 dear girl & good night.

Robert (ROTFLMAO) Harmon




 
Date: 08 Apr 2007 14:19:22
From: Natalie Drest
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!

"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:oTQRh.20442$tD2.3114@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> I'm totally gaga over this La Marzocco: http://tinyurl.com/yta6pd. I've
only
> seen one like it before, but it wasn't done in red like this is....

A 4-group? For the home?
That's completely ridiculous. Completely and utterly.
Heating 24.3 litres of water is OK if you have a busy shop, but if not, it's
just conspicuous, thoughtless consumption. Just doing your bit for global
warming, eh?

Reminds me of this Zippy strip from a few days ago:
http://tinyurl.com/2qdsey

Hint: for 'plasma', read 'La Marzocco'...




  
Date: 08 Apr 2007 11:49:21
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
Howdy Comrade Natalia!
Why not a 4-group in the home? After all, it is a large home & this has been
one cold-ass winter (35F last night here in Coastal Texas!) If I do decide
to buy it you can be assured that I'll use it with frequency & enjoy it to
the maximum possible. Now if you want conspicuous consumption check out
Gore's HUGE home & tell me who'd be wasting the most energy. Me & Al Bored,
truckin along, singin the song, side by side.
--
Robert (If you can't do it conspicuously why consume at all?) Harmon
www.tinyurl.com/34r5dx - My attempt at blogging.
www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - Guidelines for coffee newbies.
www.tinyurl.com/37gwfr - I have stuff available for sale.

"Natalie Drest" <mccoey06HAT@tpgCOAT.com.au > wrote in message
news:46186d4c$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:oTQRh.20442$tD2.3114@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> I'm totally gaga over this La Marzocco: http://tinyurl.com/yta6pd. I've
> only
>> seen one like it before, but it wasn't done in red like this is....
>
> A 4-group? For the home?
> That's completely ridiculous. Completely and utterly.
> Heating 24.3 litres of water is OK if you have a busy shop, but if not,
> it's
> just conspicuous, thoughtless consumption. Just doing your bit for global
> warming, eh?
>
> Reminds me of this Zippy strip from a few days ago:
> http://tinyurl.com/2qdsey
>
> Hint: for 'plasma', read 'La Marzocco'...
>
>




   
Date: 09 Apr 2007 11:49:41
From: Natalie Drest
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!

"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:5F4Sh.788$3P3.732@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Howdy Comrade Natalia!

Are you slyly suggesting I'm a communist because I question your pointless
overconsumption? Interesting assumption. You couldn't be more wrong.

I suggest you try a little restraint, Mr. Harmon. In everything. Try using
less, and see it as a little sacrifice for others. People may like you
better. Who knows, you may even feel good about yourself for doing it.




    
Date: 09 Apr 2007 02:06:00
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
Aw, come on Dear Natalie! You took a dig at me & I returned the favor but
now I'm a bad person here? I apologize for calling you a comrade Ms. Drest,
since you claim to not lean that way. I just didn't appreciate your
injection of off-topic info into the thread. It used to be that posters
would get raked over the coals for that, something I was glad to see
curtailed. But it's still considered poor netiquette to wander off topic in
topic specific newsgroups.
--
Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmon
www.tinyurl.com/34r5dx - My attempt at blogging.
www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - Guidelines for coffee newbies.
www.tinyurl.com/37gwfr - I have stuff available for sale.

"Natalie Drest" <mccoey06HAT@tpgCOAT.com.au > wrote in message
news:46199bb9@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5F4Sh.788$3P3.732@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Howdy Comrade Natalia!
>
> Are you slyly suggesting I'm a communist because I question your pointless
> overconsumption? Interesting assumption. You couldn't be more wrong.
>
> I suggest you try a little restraint, Mr. Harmon. In everything. Try using
> less, and see it as a little sacrifice for others. People may like you
> better. Who knows, you may even feel good about yourself for doing it.
>
>




     
Date: 09 Apr 2007 12:31:04
From: Natalie Drest
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:cchSh.1099$3P3.240@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Aw, come on Dear Natalie! You took a dig at me & I returned the favor but
> now I'm a bad person here? I apologize for calling you a comrade Ms.
Drest,
> since you claim to not lean that way.

i was surprised that a call for restraint automatically meant I was a
communist. It seemed an easy way to discount/ignore my argument. It still
does.

> I just didn't appreciate your
> injection of off-topic info into the thread.

What off-topic information? I'd suggest that relative energy consumption of
various types of machines, and their appropriateness for the home or
otherwise, is very much on-topic.

Here's a completely on-topic suggestion:
As pretty as the FB70 is, you'd probably get a better cup from a PID
machine, like say the FB80. The FB80 is a lot more expensive than a used
FB80, and may well be out of your budget, as may a GS-3. So why not a small,
single-saturated-group twin-boiler PID machine? Much cheaper, better temp
stability, fits in the kitchen, etc. etc. And... cheaper power bills! (Does
the FB70 need 3-phase? Will you have to upgrade your wiring even if it
doesn't? It will draw a LOT of current...)

> It used to be that posters
> would get raked over the coals for that, something I was glad to see
> curtailed. But it's still considered poor netiquette to wander off topic
in
> topic specific newsgroups.

I maintain that a conversation should be able to include relevant points.
It's far too easy to reject inconvenient facts (no, i haven't sen the film-
yet) with the excuse that they aren't 'on-topic'. We discuss, among other
things coffee-related, electrical appliances on this NG. Their energy usage
is highly relevant- not just to making a good cup of coffee today, but to
everyone's continued ability to do so in the future.




      
Date: 09 Apr 2007 02:39:50
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
DOES MAKING A POINT JUSTIFY PROSTELITIZING YOUR BELIEFS IN WHAT IS RIGHT OR
WRONG? POINTING OUT A MACHINES ENERGY CONSUMPTION IS FAR DIFFEERENT THAN
LAYING A GUILT TRIP ON SOMEONE FOR CONSIDERING THE PURCHASE OF A MACHINE. IF
THE MACHINE IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR YOUR NEEDS FINE, BUT WHO ARE YOU OR ANYONE
ELSE TO JUDGE MY NEEDS?
--
Robert (You can preach to the choir or you can lead by example!) Harmon
www.tinyurl.com/34r5dx - My attempt at blogging.
www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - Guidelines for coffee newbies.
www.tinyurl.com/37gwfr - I have stuff available for sale.

"Natalie Drest" <mccoey06HAT@tpgCOAT.com.au > wrote in message
news:4619a56a$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> "Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cchSh.1099$3P3.240@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Aw, come on Dear Natalie! You took a dig at me & I returned the favor but
>> now I'm a bad person here? I apologize for calling you a comrade Ms.
> Drest,
>> since you claim to not lean that way.
>
> i was surprised that a call for restraint automatically meant I was a
> communist. It seemed an easy way to discount/ignore my argument. It still
> does.
>
>> I just didn't appreciate your
>> injection of off-topic info into the thread.
>
> What off-topic information? I'd suggest that relative energy consumption
> of
> various types of machines, and their appropriateness for the home or
> otherwise, is very much on-topic.
>
> Here's a completely on-topic suggestion:
> As pretty as the FB70 is, you'd probably get a better cup from a PID
> machine, like say the FB80. The FB80 is a lot more expensive than a used
> FB80, and may well be out of your budget, as may a GS-3. So why not a
> small,
> single-saturated-group twin-boiler PID machine? Much cheaper, better temp
> stability, fits in the kitchen, etc. etc. And... cheaper power bills!
> (Does
> the FB70 need 3-phase? Will you have to upgrade your wiring even if it
> doesn't? It will draw a LOT of current...)
>
>> It used to be that posters
>> would get raked over the coals for that, something I was glad to see
>> curtailed. But it's still considered poor netiquette to wander off topic
> in
>> topic specific newsgroups.
>
> I maintain that a conversation should be able to include relevant points.
> It's far too easy to reject inconvenient facts (no, i haven't sen the
> film-
> yet) with the excuse that they aren't 'on-topic'. We discuss, among other
> things coffee-related, electrical appliances on this NG. Their energy
> usage
> is highly relevant- not just to making a good cup of coffee today, but to
> everyone's continued ability to do so in the future.
>
>




       
Date: 09 Apr 2007 12:49:17
From: Natalie Drest
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:WHhSh.1112$3P3.980@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> DOES MAKING A POINT JUSTIFY PROSTELITIZING YOUR BELIEFS IN WHAT IS RIGHT
OR
> WRONG? POINTING OUT A MACHINES ENERGY CONSUMPTION IS FAR DIFFEERENT THAN
> LAYING A GUILT TRIP ON SOMEONE FOR CONSIDERING THE PURCHASE OF A MACHINE.
IF
> THE MACHINE IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR YOUR NEEDS FINE, BUT WHO ARE YOU OR
ANYONE
> ELSE TO JUDGE MY NEEDS?


Why do you shout? Have I touched a nerve?

Perhaps you can explain why you NEED (since you used that word) a 4-group
machine?

I know you don't have to, and I don't expect you to. But you should try
explaining it to yourself.




   
Date: 09 Apr 2007 00:46:04
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!


    
Date: 09 Apr 2007 02:30:58
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
Thank you David!
That was the *whole* point of the post - so everyone could share my drooling
lust for a beautiful machine.


********* WARNING, WARNING, DANGER WILL ROBINSON! **********
(the following drifts off topic & anyone offended by that should hit the
Escape Key now)

A neighbor a few houses down from me has quite a car collection & goes to
the classic car auctions with frequency. Do you think he'd enjoy owning a
Ferrari, a Maserati, & other exotic, if less famous cars if his friends
didn't occasionally drop by to appreciate and talk about his collection?

Conspicuous consumption is in the eye of the beholder. I spent 11 months in
the Middle East in the 70's & I can say with absolute certainty that most of
the world's population believes even the poorest American consumes more than
their fair share of the world's resources. That begs two questions; 1) Given
the chance where do you think *most* citizens of underdeveloped countries
wish to live (3 guesses & first 2 don't count) & 2) How many US citizens are
rushing to finalize their immigration plans so they can live a life of
sacrifice for their beliefs?

(end of off topic ranting)
--
Robert (Don't bitch about taking this thread off topic because I did warn
you to leave!) Harmon
www.tinyurl.com/34r5dx - My attempt at blogging.
www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - Guidelines for coffee newbies.
www.tinyurl.com/37gwfr - I have stuff available for sale.

"D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu > wrote in message
news:461987d5.12008527@localhost...
snipped
> If you can't publicly covet nice coffee machines on a.c, where *can* you
> do
> it?-)
>
> - David R.
> --
> Less information than you ever thought possible:
> http://www.demitasse.net




     
Date: 09 Apr 2007 12:45:37
From: Natalie Drest
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:CzhSh.135770$_73.101582@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Thank you David!
> That was the *whole* point of the post - so everyone could share my
drooling
> lust for a beautiful machine.
>
You gave every impression it was an impending purchase.


> ********* WARNING, WARNING, DANGER WILL ROBINSON! **********
> (the following drifts off topic & anyone offended by that should hit the
> Escape Key now)

Definitely.

> A neighbor a few houses down from me has quite a car collection & goes to
> the classic car auctions with frequency. Do you think he'd enjoy owning a
> Ferrari, a Maserati, & other exotic, if less famous cars if his friends
> didn't occasionally drop by to appreciate and talk about his collection?

I don't have a problem with that. On the other hand, if he warms them up for
an hour every day...

>
> Conspicuous consumption is in the eye of the beholder.

Nonsense. It's quantifiable.

> I spent 11 months in
> the Middle East in the 70's

I'm pretty sure their consumption now outpaces, per capita, even the U.S.
But that's OK because it's their oil... right???

& I can say with absolute certainty that most of
> the world's population believes even the poorest American consumes more
than
> their fair share of the world's resources. That begs two questions; 1)
Given
> the chance where do you think *most* citizens of underdeveloped countries
> wish to live (3 guesses & first 2 don't count)

until they get there...

& 2) How many US citizens are
> rushing to finalize their immigration plans so they can live a life of
> sacrifice for their beliefs?


I'm not suggesting you live a life of sacrifice, though if you choose to,
good for you.
You don't need to emigrate. Just use less, make better choices.

Since you mention it though, i've met more than a few expat americans who
have moved over here (Australia) because they were sick of the U.S. culture
of consumption, and its resultant environmental pollution. Not that we don't
have similar problems over here, sadly...

>
> (end of off topic ranting)

ditto




      
Date: 09 Apr 2007 03:28:27
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
Sorry for yelling - didn't really mean to hurt your eyes. poor netiquette on
my part - mia culpa, mia maxima culpa, five hail Mary's & a good act of
contrition!

Your obsession about conspicuous consumption brings to mind the former
Governor of California, Jerry Brown (or Governor Moonbeam as the press
referred to him in the 60's & 70's). He not only talked the talk but walked
the walk by rejecting living in the State Mansion & passing on the
chauffeured limo (I believe he used to drive around in a mid-size sedan). I
admire him to this day because he didn't tell others how to live. He thought
finger pointing was an exercise in futility & arrogance unless it's pointed
inward.

Oh, and the Middle East is made up of lots of countries without proven oil
reserves. I was on sabbatical doing volunteer work, trying to alleviate some
of the burden of poverty that grinds down citizens of Pakistan, Bangladesh,
etc.

And I'm sorry so many Americans are crowding into your space. We had the
same problems in the 80's when so many Californicators drove up real estate
prices with their mass migrations.
--
Robert (Lead, follow, or get out of the way!) Harmon
www.tinyurl.com/34r5dx - My attempt at blogging.
www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - Guidelines for coffee newbies.
www.tinyurl.com/37gwfr - I have stuff available for sale.
"Natalie Drest" <mccoey06HAT@tpgCOAT.com.au > wrote in message
news:4619a8d2$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
snipped
> Nonsense. It's quantifiable.
>





       
Date: 09 Apr 2007 03:31:16
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
Meant to say, "And I'm sorry so many Americans are crowding into your space.
We had the same problems in the 80's when so many Californicators drove up
real estate prices in Seattle, WA with their mass migrations."
--
Robert (Gig 'em!) Harmon
www.tinyurl.com/34r5dx - My attempt at blogging.
www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - Guidelines for coffee newbies.
www.tinyurl.com/37gwfr - I have stuff available for sale.
"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:vpiSh.1131$3P3.264@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Sorry for yelling - didn't really mean to hurt your eyes. poor netiquette
> on my part - mia culpa, mia maxima culpa, five hail Mary's & a good act of
> contrition!
>
> Your obsession about conspicuous consumption brings to mind the former
> Governor of California, Jerry Brown (or Governor Moonbeam as the press
> referred to him in the 60's & 70's). He not only talked the talk but
> walked the walk by rejecting living in the State Mansion & passing on the
> chauffeured limo (I believe he used to drive around in a mid-size sedan).
> I admire him to this day because he didn't tell others how to live. He
> thought finger pointing was an exercise in futility & arrogance unless
> it's pointed inward.
>
> Oh, and the Middle East is made up of lots of countries without proven oil
> reserves. I was on sabbatical doing volunteer work, trying to alleviate
> some of the burden of poverty that grinds down citizens of Pakistan,
> Bangladesh, etc.
>
> And I'm sorry so many Americans are crowding into your space. We had the
> same problems in the 80's when so many Californicators drove up real
> estate prices with their mass migrations.
> --
> Robert (Lead, follow, or get out of the way!) Harmon
> www.tinyurl.com/34r5dx - My attempt at blogging.
> www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - Guidelines for coffee newbies.
> www.tinyurl.com/37gwfr - I have stuff available for sale.
> "Natalie Drest" <mccoey06HAT@tpgCOAT.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4619a8d2$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> snipped
>> Nonsense. It's quantifiable.
>>
>
>
>




        
Date: 09 Apr 2007 13:35:42
From: Natalie Drest
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!

"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:8siSh.1132$3P3.278@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Meant to say, "And I'm sorry so many Americans are crowding into your
space.

We don't mind them. After all, they've exhibited good taste by moving here.




    
Date: 09 Apr 2007 12:08:51
From: Natalie Drest
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!

"D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu > wrote in message
news:461987d5.12008527@localhost...
>


     
Date: 09 Apr 2007 10:14:19
From: J. Clarke
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
Natalie Drest wrote:
> "D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu> wrote in message
> news:461987d5.12008527@localhost...
>>> the maximum possible. Now if you want conspicuous consumption check
>>> out Gore's HUGE home & tell me who'd be wasting the most energy.
>>
>> This machine ...
>> ... As it is cheaper than some one-group machines, I don't think it
>> is an extravagance for anyone who has a strong interest in coffee,
>> and sufficient room to house it.
>>
>
> Many large, gas-guzzling vehicles are cheaper- and prettier- than some
> smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles- but this doesn't justify
> driving them unless you *really* need them, eg. you work in isolated
> areas etc. Otherwise, they ARE an extravagance, and one the planet
> can't afford, even if personally you can.
>
> Likewise, if a single group machine does what you need, but you
> choose a 4-group machine, then you're just needlessly consuming
> resources, and contributing to greenhouse emissions. I'm not being an
> ascetic environmentalist here, I'm just trying to encourage a litle
> reflection and restraint. I have a nice machine myself- but it has a
> small boiler that heats up in a few minutes & doesn't use much power
> doing it. I don't see why Mr. Harmon should use up so much power just
> because he can. It seems stupid & greedy. It's symptomatic of an
> attitude problem shared, it would seem, by many americans who feel it
> is their birthright to consume as much as they are able to, without
> restraint. The U.S. is currently responsible for 1/4 of the world's
> energy usage. How long do you think this can go on?

I calculated it once. After we get fusion going it can go on for a
large multiple of the estimated life of the universe.

It won't go on forever though. Eventually the rest of the world will
catch up.

> More to the
> point, do YOU think it SHOULD go on?

Why should it not?

> Furthermore, there are plenty of single-group machines available that
> will make a BETTER shot- for LESS money.
> I'm sure regular alt.coffee-ers could name a dozen.
>
>> If you can't publicly covet nice coffee machines on a.c, where *can*
>> you do it?-)
>
> True, it's a nice machine. So buy it, and put it in a museum. Unless
> you operate a coffee shop.

So you're saying that hobbyists should be denied their hobbies in the
name of political correctness?

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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)




     
Date: 09 Apr 2007 08:58:38
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
As much as it's fun to call Al Gore a hypocrite for living in a huge home
and consuming tons of energy while lecturing everyone else, I won't do it.
He is a public figure with a large staff and lots of visitors and he's
spending his own money on this. He has every right to use as much fuel (and
mink coats and jewelry, etc.) as his budget allows and so does every other
person on earth. The reason the US uses the most is because we have the most
money to burn and we tax fuel a lot less than other developed countries.

There is always free floating angst about the future that gets expressed as
some kind of "environmental" concern - 20 years ago it was "global cooling"
and "nuclear winter" and "the ozone hole". In the old days you didn't want
to "anger the gods." This week the sheeples have picked "global warming" as
the fashionable anxiety de jour and lecture you every chance they get,
indoctrinate little elementary school children, slip in into their Academy
Award speeches, etc. (I liked it better when Marlon Brando sent that phony
Indian girl.) If your anxiety combines with an appeal against conspicous
consumption you get extra points - appeals to asceticism also tap into
another deep human impulse.

Last year was the hottest year on record......on Mars. The weather is
always changing due to solar cycles, the amount of dust in the atmosphere,
volcanic erruptions, etc. Right now it is warmer than it has been for the
last couple of hundred years on earth but not as warm as it has been at
other times in the past, times long before people drove SUVs. Even if it was
clear that humans were the ones causing "global warming" (and it's not) it's
not clear that modestly reducing our energy use (e.g. buying smaller
espresso machines) would have any effect at all beyond symbolism . Hell,
you could cast every espresso machine on earth into the volcano to placate
the global warming gods and it wouldn't reduce the temperature of the earth
one thousandth of one degree.

I realize that when you are infected with missionary zeal and feel that the
very fate of the planet is at stake, you have the urge share this urgency
with everyone else in every setting, but stifle. I've been in other
settings where some people have the same feeling about that JC guy. I don't
want to hear that either. Chances are the end of the world is not nigh, and
even if it is, you aren't going to prevent it with your nagging anyway, so
chill.



"Natalie Drest" <mccoey06HAT@tpgCOAT.com.au > wrote in message
news:4619a035$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
> "D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu> wrote in message
> news:461987d5.12008527@localhost...
>>


     
Date: 09 Apr 2007 09:14:09
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!


  
Date: 08 Apr 2007 10:41:35
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
Natalie Drest wrote:

> A 4-group? For the home?
> That's completely ridiculous. Completely and utterly.
> Heating 24.3 litres of water is OK if you have a busy shop, but if not, it's
> just conspicuous, thoughtless consumption. Just doing your bit for global
> warming, eh?
-snip-

Please, Do NOT look at my website :)

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)



   
Date: 08 Apr 2007 20:16:52
From: Natalie Drest
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
"Danny" <danny@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote in message
news:57rrk7F2edb0dU1@mid.individual.net...
> Natalie Drest wrote:
>
> > A 4-group? For the home?
> > That's completely ridiculous. Completely and utterly.
> > Heating 24.3 litres of water is OK if you have a busy shop, but if not,
it's
> > just conspicuous, thoughtless consumption. Just doing your bit for
global
> > warming, eh?
> -snip-
>
> Please, Do NOT look at my website :)
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
> (apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)
>

I did look at your Gaggia/Visacrem a while ago, but missed your purchase
price... wow, what a bargain! I don't think I could have turned that down!
(I'd be sleeping in the garage though!)
Of course, I'd have had to open a cafe to justify it... or perhaps a mobile
cart? What a great idea.

Just one question... Starbucks?




 
Date: 07 Apr 2007 17:25:08
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
On Apr 7, 4:59 pm, "daveb" <davebobbl...@gmail.com > wrote:
> MORE crude references and boasting!
>
> so harmon.

Dang it bub, I surely didn't intend to offend your fine sensibilities.
I feel such anguish!

Robert (LMAO!) Harmon



 
Date: 07 Apr 2007 14:59:54
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!


MORE crude references and boasting!

so harmon.




 
Date: 07 Apr 2007 20:38:42
From: Brian Colwell
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!

"Robert Harmon" <r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote in message
news:oTQRh.20442$tD2.3114@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> I'm totally gaga over this La Marzocco: http://tinyurl.com/yta6pd. I've
> only seen one like it before, but it wasn't done in red like this is. I
> showed this link to the Ol' Ball & Chain and nearly crapped my undies when
> she agreed with me & told me that if I wouldn't mind sleeping in the
> garage with it to go ahead & get buy it as her Christmas present to me.
> Gotta love this woman...
>
> Now where should I hang my hammock, over the 'vette restoration or maybe
> over the LM in the winter to keep warm?
> --
> Robert (Definitely has plans to croak owning the most toys!) Harmon
> www.tinyurl.com/34r5dx - My attempt at blogging.
> www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - Guidelines for coffee newbies.
> www.tinyurl.com/37gwfr - I have stuff available for sale.
>
$6900 !!!!!! That's more than I payed for my 69 Vette !!
(not recently) :-))

bmc




 
Date: 07 Apr 2007 18:36:35
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:52:20 GMT, "Robert Harmon"
<r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote:

>I'm totally gaga over this La Marzocco: http://tinyurl.com/yta6pd. I've only
>seen one like it before, but it wasn't done in red like this is. I showed
>this link to the Ol' Ball & Chain and nearly crapped my undies when she
>agreed with me & told me that if I wouldn't mind sleeping in the garage with
>it to go ahead & get buy it as her Christmas present to me. Gotta love this
>woman...
>
>Now where should I hang my hammock, over the 'vette restoration or maybe
>over the LM in the winter to keep warm?

It's a beautiful and, as Danny says, standard FB70. I can't imagine
why anyone would run one at home. But, if your heart is set on it, you
might try talking to some local techs about available machines, rather
than shipping one from the California wine country.

Marshall


 
Date: 07 Apr 2007 19:09:37
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Oh no, I've fallen in love again!
Robert Harmon wrote:
> I'm totally gaga over this La Marzocco: http://tinyurl.com/yta6pd. I've only
> seen one like it before, but it wasn't done in red like this is. I showed
> this link to the Ol' Ball & Chain and nearly crapped my undies when she
> agreed with me & told me that if I wouldn't mind sleeping in the garage with
> it to go ahead & get buy it as her Christmas present to me. Gotta love this
> woman...
>
> Now where should I hang my hammock, over the 'vette restoration or maybe
> over the LM in the winter to keep warm?

Standard model in standard colour - see a few of them on Ebay over
here - I think Barry might know something about them, and yes, they
are lovely.

--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
(apparently bad grammar but I like it that way...)