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Date: 24 May 2007 12:54:17
From: Jim
Subject: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
I finally broke down and overpaid for an ebay original poppery. I used
it yesterday with no mods. First impressions are it's a MUCH better
unit. It moved the green beans when the newer design would've required
stirring. But it also reached second crack much faster.

Now, off to bid on a second variac. I have a 5 or 6A that I'll use for
motor speed, and I'll use a BIG one for heater control.

I've also seen sites were a guy strips it down and uses a chimney from a
kerosene lamp. Interesting idea, but I'm not sure where to find the
high temp chimney. I don't think one designed for light bulbs would do
the trick.




 
Date: 25 May 2007 20:35:47
From: IMAWriterRobJ
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
On May 25, 2:08 pm, JoeP <j...@internet-realty.com > wrote:
> On May 24, 12:54 pm, Jim <a...@beforeyousend.com> wrote:
>
> > I've also seen sites were a guy strips it down and uses a chimney from a
> > kerosene lamp. Interesting idea, but I'm not sure where to find the
> > high temp chimney. I don't think one designed for light bulbs would do
> > the trick.
>
> The freshroast +8 roasting chamber works very well in two ways.
>
> 1. it fits
>
> 2. it has a chaff collector
>
> it definately fits better on my 1400w popcorn pumper, I had to make a
> gasket out of high temp rtv for the Poppery I. The chamber is glass
> which is much better than a soup can it allows you to really see the
> progressions of a roast. Some people I know have used pyrex baking
> tubes as well. I prefer the fresh roast +8 chamber even though its
> smaller capacity because I use my PID'd Poppery I and Pumper for
> sample roasting only. I have a Sonofresco as my main roaster. You can
> buy the freshroast chamber from them directly here:http://www.freshbeansinc.com/
>
> Joewww.greencoffeebuyingclub.com
> "where freinds get together and split bags of coffee"

Joe...noticed your (our) slogan under your url..as presented:
www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com
"where freinds get together and split bags of coffee"
Since "friends" is misspelled, maybe you meant.."where friends get
together and "spill" bags of coffee"....??? you think??..lol
Every time you mention that Sonofresco, I get serious envy.



 
Date: 25 May 2007 12:08:48
From: JoeP
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
On May 24, 12:54 pm, Jim <a...@beforeyousend.com > wrote:

> I've also seen sites were a guy strips it down and uses a chimney from a
> kerosene lamp. Interesting idea, but I'm not sure where to find the
> high temp chimney. I don't think one designed for light bulbs would do
> the trick.


The freshroast +8 roasting chamber works very well in two ways.

1. it fits

2. it has a chaff collector

it definately fits better on my 1400w popcorn pumper, I had to make a
gasket out of high temp rtv for the Poppery I. The chamber is glass
which is much better than a soup can it allows you to really see the
progressions of a roast. Some people I know have used pyrex baking
tubes as well. I prefer the fresh roast +8 chamber even though its
smaller capacity because I use my PID'd Poppery I and Pumper for
sample roasting only. I have a Sonofresco as my main roaster. You can
buy the freshroast chamber from them directly here: http://www.freshbeansinc.com/

Joe
www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com
"where freinds get together and split bags of coffee"



 
Date: 25 May 2007 06:19:41
From: shane
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
On the original Poppery 1, the plastic top does not stand up to the
heat very well. Even when making popcorn, the plastic top softens and
starts to deform.
Later designs, the Poppery 2 and on the plastic is better.

If you have found seven Poppery 1s, for under $3 you are quite lucky.
I personally have never found one in 5+ years of looking. The two I
do have were found for me by other people. I have found 4-5 Poppery
2s

The original Poppery 1 is approaching 30 years old. From my
unscientific word of mouth polling, I have come to the following
conclusion: it seems they were the "must have" new small kitchen
appliance for a year or two in the late 70s as a lot of people seem to
have gotten them for wedding gifts and the like. A lot of people
never used them, some did. ( I have a friend who does use a Poppery 1
for popcorn, he was eyeing up my unmelted top). With time the supply
of these things found at yard sales will dry up.

I do not use the plastic top, due to the melting issues.

Shane


On May 24, 7:18 pm, "Harry Moos" <har...@ruraltel.net > wrote:
> I've never understood why roasters want to use a glass chimney, which shoots
> chaff all over the room. The original plastic top shoots the chaff down
> into a container, avoiding most of the mess. They melt in time, but since
> these Poppery units sell for 25 cents to $3 each [the highest I've paid for
> the seven I have for backup] -- I just replace them when they get too bad to
> use. I've been roasting for four years and I'm still on the second Poppery.
>
> "Jim" <a...@beforeyousend.com> wrote in message
>
> news:135brb7tmii2r7d@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
>
> > I've also seen sites were a guy strips it down and uses a chimney from a
> > kerosene lamp. Interesting idea, but I'm not sure where to find the high
> > temp chimney. I don't think one designed for light bulbs would do the
> > trick.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -




  
Date: 25 May 2007 17:56:49
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
Not all of mine [only two] are Poppery I models -- the rest are Poppery
II's. But the Poppery I's were $3 and 50 cents at yard sales. I prefer the
Poppery II's after adding an on/off switch to them.

"shane" <shane.olson@juno.com > wrote in message
news:1180099181.157925.278930@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> If you have found seven Poppery 1s, for under $3 you are quite lucky.
> I personally have never found one in 5+ years of looking. The two I
> do have were found for me by other people. I have found 4-5 Poppery
> 2s




  
Date: 25 May 2007 12:34:58
From: Jim
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
shane wrote:

> On the original Poppery 1, the plastic top does not stand up to the
> heat very well. Even when making popcorn, the plastic top softens and
> starts to deform.
> Later designs, the Poppery 2 and on the plastic is better.
>
> If you have found seven Poppery 1s, for under $3 you are quite lucky.
> I personally have never found one in 5+ years of looking.

I'm in Seattle, a very coffee conscious area. I have never seen a used
Poppery I at ANY price in the places where I find the Poppery II clones.
I gave up and overpaid for ebay. People snatch these up to sell on
ebay. They don't last on the shelves in Seattle.

The two I
> do have were found for me by other people. I have found 4-5 Poppery
> 2s
>
> The original Poppery 1 is approaching 30 years old. From my
> unscientific word of mouth polling, I have come to the following
> conclusion: it seems they were the "must have" new small kitchen
> appliance for a year or two in the late 70s as a lot of people seem to
> have gotten them for wedding gifts and the like. A lot of people
> never used them, some did. ( I have a friend who does use a Poppery 1
> for popcorn, he was eyeing up my unmelted top). With time the supply
> of these things found at yard sales will dry up.
>
> I do not use the plastic top, due to the melting issues.
>
> Shane

Yes, I've noticed that the web sites usually have them stripped down.
The plastic is fine on mine, and the bottom is clean. I don't think it
got much use at all. Probably one of those wedding gift situations.
When I source my 13+ amp variac and do the rewiring, I'll leave off the
plastic and use a can or pyrex glass lantern chimney. I'm going to run
it with two variacs, for variable fan speed and heater voltage. I'll
just run two power cords out of it, and keep the switch on the heater.

>
>
> On May 24, 7:18 pm, "Harry Moos" <har...@ruraltel.net> wrote:
>
>>I've never understood why roasters want to use a glass chimney, which shoots
>>chaff all over the room. The original plastic top shoots the chaff down
>>into a container, avoiding most of the mess. They melt in time, but since
>>these Poppery units sell for 25 cents to $3 each [the highest I've paid for
>>the seven I have for backup] -- I just replace them when they get too bad to
>>use. I've been roasting for four years and I'm still on the second Poppery.
>>
>>"Jim" <a...@beforeyousend.com> wrote in message
>>
>>news:135brb7tmii2r7d@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I've also seen sites were a guy strips it down and uses a chimney from a
>>>kerosene lamp. Interesting idea, but I'm not sure where to find the high
>>>temp chimney. I don't think one designed for light bulbs would do the
>>>trick.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
>


   
Date: 26 May 2007 06:13:11
From: Donn Cave
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
Quoth Jim <askme@beforeyousend.com >:
...


   
Date: 25 May 2007 21:32:54
From: Moka Java
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
Jim wrote:
> shane wrote:
>
>> On the original Poppery 1, the plastic top does not stand up to the
>> heat very well. Even when making popcorn, the plastic top softens and
>> starts to deform.
>> Later designs, the Poppery 2 and on the plastic is better.
>>
>> If you have found seven Poppery 1s, for under $3 you are quite lucky.
>> I personally have never found one in 5+ years of looking.
>
> I'm in Seattle, a very coffee conscious area. I have never seen a used
> Poppery I at ANY price in the places where I find the Poppery II clones.
> I gave up and overpaid for ebay. People snatch these up to sell on
> ebay. They don't last on the shelves in Seattle.
>

So why do you feel you overpaid for it? Poppery 1s seem to go for about
$50 on Ebay. The market has set a price. You could spend your Saturday
mornings scouring garage sales and maybe come up with one, maybe not.
How much is your time worth?

R "now if you paid $100 . . ." TF


    
Date: 25 May 2007 22:26:15
From: Jim
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
Moka Java wrote:

> Jim wrote:
>
>> shane wrote:
>>
>>> On the original Poppery 1, the plastic top does not stand up to the
>>> heat very well. Even when making popcorn, the plastic top softens and
>>> starts to deform.
>>> Later designs, the Poppery 2 and on the plastic is better.
>>>
>>> If you have found seven Poppery 1s, for under $3 you are quite lucky.
>>> I personally have never found one in 5+ years of looking.
>>
>>
>> I'm in Seattle, a very coffee conscious area. I have never seen a
>> used Poppery I at ANY price in the places where I find the Poppery II
>> clones. I gave up and overpaid for ebay. People snatch these up to
>> sell on ebay. They don't last on the shelves in Seattle.
>>
>
> So why do you feel you overpaid for it? Poppery 1s seem to go for about
> $50 on Ebay. The market has set a price. You could spend your Saturday
> mornings scouring garage sales and maybe come up with one, maybe not.
> How much is your time worth?
>
> R "now if you paid $100 . . ." TF

I think it came in just over the $50 mark with shipping. I hear what
you say about supply and demand. I'm a natural born bargain hunter. I
don't do garage sales, but I'll stop in Value Village, Goodwill, etc.
(mostly looking for tube audio and the like).

I've burnt up 4 or 5 Chinese Poppery II clones, so if this on lives
longer and performs better, it's worth it. There's labor involved in
splitting the fan circuit, each time I burn one up. They seem to fail
where they rivet the heater wire to the connector.


 
Date: 24 May 2007 19:18:11
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
I've never understood why roasters want to use a glass chimney, which shoots
chaff all over the room. The original plastic top shoots the chaff down
into a container, avoiding most of the mess. They melt in time, but since
these Poppery units sell for 25 cents to $3 each [the highest I've paid for
the seven I have for backup] -- I just replace them when they get too bad to
use. I've been roasting for four years and I'm still on the second Poppery.

"Jim" <askme@beforeyousend.com > wrote in message
news:135brb7tmii2r7d@corp.supernews.com...

> I've also seen sites were a guy strips it down and uses a chimney from a
> kerosene lamp. Interesting idea, but I'm not sure where to find the high
> temp chimney. I don't think one designed for light bulbs would do the
> trick.




  
Date: 25 May 2007 15:09:47
From:
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
In alt.coffee, Harry Moos <harrym@ruraltel.net > wrote:
> I've never understood why roasters want to use a glass chimney, which shoots
> chaff all over the room. The original plastic top shoots the chaff down
> into a container, avoiding most of the mess.

But they look ugly and they melt.


They melt in time, but since
> these Poppery units sell for 25 cents to $3 each [the highest I've paid for
> the seven I have for backup] -- I just replace them when they get too bad to
> use. I've been roasting for four years and I'm still on the second Poppery.

> > I've also seen sites were a guy strips it down and uses a chimney from a
> > kerosene lamp. Interesting idea, but I'm not sure where to find the high
> > temp chimney. I don't think one designed for light bulbs would do the
> > trick.

I get my chimneys at Home Depot. They cost around 3 bucks. They are
properly designed as a chimney, with a larger diameter area to relieve
pressure. This alows the beans to fall back and to not get shot out the
top like a shotgun.

They fit right in, they are washable in the dishwasher, they allow visual
access to the beans without having heat and chaff hit you in the face.
And they look cool.



--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel



   
Date: 25 May 2007 12:36:16
From: Jim
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:

> In alt.coffee, Harry Moos <harrym@ruraltel.net> wrote:
>
>>I've never understood why roasters want to use a glass chimney, which shoots
>>chaff all over the room. The original plastic top shoots the chaff down
>>into a container, avoiding most of the mess.
>
>
> But they look ugly and they melt.
>
>
> They melt in time, but since
>
>>these Poppery units sell for 25 cents to $3 each [the highest I've paid for
>>the seven I have for backup] -- I just replace them when they get too bad to
>>use. I've been roasting for four years and I'm still on the second Poppery.
>
>
>>>I've also seen sites were a guy strips it down and uses a chimney from a
>>>kerosene lamp. Interesting idea, but I'm not sure where to find the high
>>>temp chimney. I don't think one designed for light bulbs would do the
>>>trick.
>
>
> I get my chimneys at Home Depot. They cost around 3 bucks. They are
> properly designed as a chimney, with a larger diameter area to relieve
> pressure. This alows the beans to fall back and to not get shot out the
> top like a shotgun.
>
> They fit right in, they are washable in the dishwasher, they allow visual
> access to the beans without having heat and chaff hit you in the face.
> And they look cool.

Are you using chimneys designed for light fixtures, or does Home Depot
sell lantern type? If they are for light fixtures, have you ever had
them break on you?


    
Date: 26 May 2007 18:24:28
From:
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
In alt.coffee, Jim <askme@beforeyousend.com > wrote:

> Are you using chimneys designed for light fixtures, or does Home Depot
> sell lantern type? If they are for light fixtures, have you ever had
> them break on you?

What I get there looks like the classic hurricane lamp chimney - like they
used to use for oil lamps with wicks.

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel



 
Date: 24 May 2007 14:03:07
From: shane
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
I have been using my Poppery 1, with no modificatons. I use a can to
extend the chimney.

Shane

On May 24, 3:06 pm, Calvin <mandtpr...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On May 24, 2:58 pm, "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I think camping shops and some hardware stores sell chimneys designed for
> > Coleman lanterns, kerosene lamps, etc. that should be heat resistant.
>
> > There's no particular reason why the chimney needs to be glass - you can
> > just as well extend the existing chamber with an extension made from a soup
> > can, tube of sheet metal, etc. It won't look as nice as a glass chamber but
> > it will get the job done.
>
> > "Jim" <a...@beforeyousend.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:135brb7tmii2r7d@corp.supernews.com...
>
> > >I finally broke down and overpaid for an ebay original poppery. I used it
> > >yesterday with no mods. First impressions are it's a MUCH better unit. It
> > >moved the green beans when the newer design would've required stirring.
> > >But it also reached second crack much faster.
>
> > > Now, off to bid on a second variac. I have a 5 or 6A that I'll use for
> > > motor speed, and I'll use a BIG one for heater control.
>
> > > I've also seen sites were a guy strips it down and uses a chimney from a
> > > kerosene lamp. Interesting idea, but I'm not sure where to find the high
> > > temp chimney. I don't think one designed for light bulbs would do the
> > > trick.
>
> I second the advice to use a soup can instead. The lamp chimney fits
> exactly and looks neat, but they are VERY fragile. Trying to figure
> out what to do with a 400F piece of glass at EOR is a hastle I don't
> need. I've tried it both ways and the tin can is much better suited
> to this task. The only caveat is that most cans now have a plastic
> lining that you will want to burn out before using.
>
> Calvin- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -




  
Date: 24 May 2007 14:51:52
From: Jim
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
shane wrote:

> I have been using my Poppery 1, with no modificatons. I use a can to
> extend the chimney.

Do you find that it runs from 1st crack into a vigorous 2nd crack faster
than you'd like it to? That's what I got on my first attempt.

The price of used variacs on ebay sure have gone up in the last couple
of years. Somebody has gotten a couple of deals on a 40A model, but I
don't need a behemoth, I want 15 to 22 amps. And I'm not sure about the
new Chinese models. I try not to buy Chinese when I can avoid it.

>
> Shane
>
> On May 24, 3:06 pm, Calvin <mandtpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On May 24, 2:58 pm, "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I think camping shops and some hardware stores sell chimneys designed for
>>>Coleman lanterns, kerosene lamps, etc. that should be heat resistant.
>>
>>>There's no particular reason why the chimney needs to be glass - you can
>>>just as well extend the existing chamber with an extension made from a soup
>>>can, tube of sheet metal, etc. It won't look as nice as a glass chamber but
>>>it will get the job done.
>>
>>>"Jim" <a...@beforeyousend.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>news:135brb7tmii2r7d@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>>>I finally broke down and overpaid for an ebay original poppery. I used it
>>>>yesterday with no mods. First impressions are it's a MUCH better unit. It
>>>>moved the green beans when the newer design would've required stirring.
>>>>But it also reached second crack much faster.
>>
>>>>Now, off to bid on a second variac. I have a 5 or 6A that I'll use for
>>>>motor speed, and I'll use a BIG one for heater control.
>>
>>>>I've also seen sites were a guy strips it down and uses a chimney from a
>>>>kerosene lamp. Interesting idea, but I'm not sure where to find the high
>>>>temp chimney. I don't think one designed for light bulbs would do the
>>>>trick.
>>
>>I second the advice to use a soup can instead. The lamp chimney fits
>>exactly and looks neat, but they are VERY fragile. Trying to figure
>>out what to do with a 400F piece of glass at EOR is a hastle I don't
>>need. I've tried it both ways and the tin can is much better suited
>>to this task. The only caveat is that most cans now have a plastic
>>lining that you will want to burn out before using.
>>
>>Calvin- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
>


   
Date: 27 May 2007 09:27:13
From: F3
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design

>
> Do you find that it runs from 1st crack into a vigorous 2nd crack faster
> than you'd like it to? That's what I got on my first attempt.

This is precisely the problem I have with my unmodified Poppery I.
The build quality is much better that the II but I haven't killed
a II yet (I have 3 of 'em), but the P-I goes from 1st right into
2nd and I don't care for the taste. I use the P-I on rare occasions
in the dead of winter as a finishing roaster when the II won't make
2nd crack. More often, I just put a box over the P-II to retain more
heat when it is cold in the garage.

Gaggia Espresso, Saeco MC 2002 grinder with pins removed.
Culligan softened and RO'd water. Tried a new Rwanda as
a single origin espresso today. No expectations and I was
pleasantly surprised. Roast was just into 2nd. Probably
about 10-12 minutes total roast time. Roasted yesterday afternoon.


    
Date: 27 May 2007 12:33:16
From: Jim
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
F3 wrote:

>
>>
>> Do you find that it runs from 1st crack into a vigorous 2nd crack
>> faster than you'd like it to? That's what I got on my first attempt.
>
>
> This is precisely the problem I have with my unmodified Poppery I.
> The build quality is much better that the II but I haven't killed
> a II yet (I have 3 of 'em), but the P-I goes from 1st right into
> 2nd and I don't care for the taste. I use the P-I on rare occasions
> in the dead of winter as a finishing roaster when the II won't make
> 2nd crack. More often, I just put a box over the P-II to retain more
> heat when it is cold in the garage.

...still shopping for my variac to cure the above issue.


>
> Gaggia Espresso, Saeco MC 2002 grinder with pins removed.
> Culligan softened and RO'd water. Tried a new Rwanda as
> a single origin espresso today. No expectations and I was
> pleasantly surprised. Roast was just into 2nd. Probably
> about 10-12 minutes total roast time. Roasted yesterday afternoon.


 
Date: 24 May 2007 13:06:28
From: Calvin
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
On May 24, 2:58 pm, "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net > wrote:
> I think camping shops and some hardware stores sell chimneys designed for
> Coleman lanterns, kerosene lamps, etc. that should be heat resistant.
>
> There's no particular reason why the chimney needs to be glass - you can
> just as well extend the existing chamber with an extension made from a soup
> can, tube of sheet metal, etc. It won't look as nice as a glass chamber but
> it will get the job done.
>
> "Jim" <a...@beforeyousend.com> wrote in message
>
> news:135brb7tmii2r7d@corp.supernews.com...
>
> >I finally broke down and overpaid for an ebay original poppery. I used it
> >yesterday with no mods. First impressions are it's a MUCH better unit. It
> >moved the green beans when the newer design would've required stirring.
> >But it also reached second crack much faster.
>
> > Now, off to bid on a second variac. I have a 5 or 6A that I'll use for
> > motor speed, and I'll use a BIG one for heater control.
>
> > I've also seen sites were a guy strips it down and uses a chimney from a
> > kerosene lamp. Interesting idea, but I'm not sure where to find the high
> > temp chimney. I don't think one designed for light bulbs would do the
> > trick.

I second the advice to use a soup can instead. The lamp chimney fits
exactly and looks neat, but they are VERY fragile. Trying to figure
out what to do with a 400F piece of glass at EOR is a hastle I don't
need. I've tried it both ways and the tin can is much better suited
to this task. The only caveat is that most cans now have a plastic
lining that you will want to burn out before using.

Calvin



 
Date: 24 May 2007 15:58:28
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Original Poppery vs. Poppery II design
I think camping shops and some hardware stores sell chimneys designed for
Coleman lanterns, kerosene lamps, etc. that should be heat resistant.

There's no particular reason why the chimney needs to be glass - you can
just as well extend the existing chamber with an extension made from a soup
can, tube of sheet metal, etc. It won't look as nice as a glass chamber but
it will get the job done.


"Jim" <askme@beforeyousend.com > wrote in message
news:135brb7tmii2r7d@corp.supernews.com...
>I finally broke down and overpaid for an ebay original poppery. I used it
>yesterday with no mods. First impressions are it's a MUCH better unit. It
>moved the green beans when the newer design would've required stirring.
>But it also reached second crack much faster.
>
> Now, off to bid on a second variac. I have a 5 or 6A that I'll use for
> motor speed, and I'll use a BIG one for heater control.
>
> I've also seen sites were a guy strips it down and uses a chimney from a
> kerosene lamp. Interesting idea, but I'm not sure where to find the high
> temp chimney. I don't think one designed for light bulbs would do the
> trick.
>