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Date: 20 Apr 2007 15:16:50
From: LF
Subject: Pasquini Livia: electrical problems?
I'm considering buying a broken Pasquini Livia. The owner thinks it
has "electrical problems". I haven=E2=80=99t looked at it, yet. Any words=
of
advice, caution, likely scenarios will be greatly appreciated.
I take it that parts are available for this machine. I'm comfortable
tinkering with machines, and have rescued quite a few home espresso
machines (Gaggia, Saeco, Braun, Rancillio). Mostly they have been
dirty, leaking, or both.
Thanks,=E2=80=A8Larry





 
Date: 21 Apr 2007 09:08:02
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: Pasquini Livia: electrical problems?
On Apr 21, 11:58 am, "Jack Denver" <nunuv...@netscape.net > wrote:
> I'm sure you could source a generic Gicar control box for a lot less. Or get
> the part from Bezerra - the Livia internals are Bezerra.
>
> But if you are capable of doing simple board level repairs (or know
> someone who is - I remember a long time ago someone had this problem and
> another alt.coffee member who was an electronics whiz fixed it for him) then
> usually the defect is in the transformer inside the "brain box" and is easy
> to fix by replacing the transformer. The "brain box" as a whole is not
> really very "brainy" and is relatively simple compared to some of the
> sophisticated digital electronics that exist nowadays. But some people
> aren't comfortable at all working on electronics, even basic soldering.
>
> I also recall a thread recently where someone mounted the power supply
> externally for their brain box, to get it away from the internal heat of
> the machine (which is what toasts them in the first place) but also because
> he was having trouble sourcing an exact fit transformer.
>
> If you can get a really good deal on the machine, I'd buy it - I think you
> could get the brain box going or replaced one way or another for a lot less
> than $700.
>
> <spr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177117771.446481.199390@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > As I recall, the last time I needed a Livia board, Pasquini wanted
> > $700.00 for it. The whole machine's not worth that to me....al
>
> > On Apr 20, 6:36 pm, LF <fie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > pretty vague description of the problem(s) !!
>
> >> > but there is nothing in there special. all the wiring is enclosed
> >> > in a rather annoying heat 'protective' tubing.
>
> >> > But yes parts are all availble -- mainly from Pasquini in LA
>
> >> > be sure to ground the water reservoir sensor to the chassis or it will
> >> > never start up.
> >> > (that's if you have it apart and no water in the plastic tank)
> >> > 'pid' control works well on these too.
>
> >> Dave,
> >> Thanks again. I'll take a look at it, and figure out if I want to buy
> >> it.
>
> >> Larry

Of course $700 is an ABSURD (if typical ) price for the NON standard
box. -- and if the problem is the box send it to Jack to get fixed.
I hear he can fix them.

But then, we don't even know what is wrong with the machine!

If anything!

Dave
877 286 2833





 
Date: 20 Apr 2007 22:22:19
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: Pasquini Livia: electrical problems?
On Apr 20, 10:13 pm, LF <fie...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > Brain problems or water level (in the rear tank) detector problems --
> > scale????
>
> > dave,
>
> I'm not certain what you mean by "brain problems." Is that the same
> thing Al refers to as a $700 Livia board?
> thanks,
> Larry


yup. -- for $700 one should get more than a level control!!

[it is Giemme, different from the 'standard' ones]



 
Date: 20 Apr 2007 19:13:32
From: LF
Subject: Re: Pasquini Livia: electrical problems?
>
> Brain problems or water level (in the rear tank) detector problems --
> scale????
>
> dave,
I'm not certain what you mean by "brain problems." Is that the same
thing Al refers to as a $700 Livia board?
thanks,
Larry



 
Date: 20 Apr 2007 19:05:31
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: Pasquini Livia: electrical problems?
On Apr 20, 9:43 pm, LF <fie...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > pretty vague description of the problem(s) !!
>
> A little new information:
> "The machine is about 5 years old and was used as a floor model at a
> coffee shop I worked at. We would use it about once or twice a month
> to do demo's. When you turn the machine on the power light stays on,
> but the heat and pressure button switch off about 30 seconds to a
> minute after turning it on."
> Larry

Brain problems or water level (in the rear tank) detector problems --
scale????

d



 
Date: 20 Apr 2007 18:58:31
From: LF
Subject: Re: Pasquini Livia: electrical problems?
On Apr 20, 9:09 pm, spr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> As I recall, the last time I needed a Livia board, Pasquini wanted
> $700.00 for it. The whole machine's not worth that to me....al
>
Thanks,
Nice machine,but sounds like it could get too pricey.

Larry



 
Date: 20 Apr 2007 18:43:46
From: LF
Subject: Re: Pasquini Livia: electrical problems?
>
> pretty vague description of the problem(s) !!
>
A little new information:
"The machine is about 5 years old and was used as a floor model at a
coffee shop I worked at. We would use it about once or twice a month
to do demo's. When you turn the machine on the power light stays on,
but the heat and pressure button switch off about 30 seconds to a
minute after turning it on."
Larry




 
Date: 20 Apr 2007 18:09:31
From:
Subject: Re: Pasquini Livia: electrical problems?
As I recall, the last time I needed a Livia board, Pasquini wanted
$700.00 for it. The whole machine's not worth that to me....al


On Apr 20, 6:36 pm, LF <fie...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > pretty vague description of the problem(s) !!
>
> > but there is nothing in there special. all the wiring is enclosed
> > in a rather annoying heat 'protective' tubing.
>
> > But yes parts are all availble -- mainly from Pasquini in LA
>
> > be sure to ground the water reservoir sensor to the chassis or it will
> > never start up.
> > (that's if you have it apart and no water in the plastic tank)
> > 'pid' control works well on these too.
>
> Dave,
> Thanks again. I'll take a look at it, and figure out if I want to buy
> it.
>
> Larry




  
Date: 21 Apr 2007 11:58:43
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Pasquini Livia: electrical problems?
I'm sure you could source a generic Gicar control box for a lot less. Or get
the part from Bezerra - the Livia internals are Bezerra.

But if you are capable of doing simple board level repairs (or know
someone who is - I remember a long time ago someone had this problem and
another alt.coffee member who was an electronics whiz fixed it for him) then
usually the defect is in the transformer inside the "brain box" and is easy
to fix by replacing the transformer. The "brain box" as a whole is not
really very "brainy" and is relatively simple compared to some of the
sophisticated digital electronics that exist nowadays. But some people
aren't comfortable at all working on electronics, even basic soldering.

I also recall a thread recently where someone mounted the power supply
externally for their brain box, to get it away from the internal heat of
the machine (which is what toasts them in the first place) but also because
he was having trouble sourcing an exact fit transformer.

If you can get a really good deal on the machine, I'd buy it - I think you
could get the brain box going or replaced one way or another for a lot less
than $700.

<sprsso@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1177117771.446481.199390@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> As I recall, the last time I needed a Livia board, Pasquini wanted
> $700.00 for it. The whole machine's not worth that to me....al
>
>
> On Apr 20, 6:36 pm, LF <fie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > pretty vague description of the problem(s) !!
>>
>> > but there is nothing in there special. all the wiring is enclosed
>> > in a rather annoying heat 'protective' tubing.
>>
>> > But yes parts are all availble -- mainly from Pasquini in LA
>>
>> > be sure to ground the water reservoir sensor to the chassis or it will
>> > never start up.
>> > (that's if you have it apart and no water in the plastic tank)
>> > 'pid' control works well on these too.
>>
>> Dave,
>> Thanks again. I'll take a look at it, and figure out if I want to buy
>> it.
>>
>> Larry
>
>




  
Date: 20 Apr 2007 22:12:21
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Pasquini Livia: electrical problems?
What Al said

-- I'd go 100 or 200 $

no more

G-d knows what you may have there.

I can get you a NEW semi auto for about a grand..

dave

<sprsso@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1177117771.446481.199390@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> As I recall, the last time I needed a Livia board, Pasquini wanted
> $700.00 for it. The whole machine's not worth that to me....al
>
>
> On Apr 20, 6:36 pm, LF <fie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > pretty vague description of the problem(s) !!
>>
>> > but there is nothing in there special. all the wiring is enclosed
>> > in a rather annoying heat 'protective' tubing.
>>
>> > But yes parts are all availble -- mainly from Pasquini in LA
>>
>> > be sure to ground the water reservoir sensor to the chassis or it will
>> > never start up.
>> > (that's if you have it apart and no water in the plastic tank)
>> > 'pid' control works well on these too.
>>
>> Dave,
>> Thanks again. I'll take a look at it, and figure out if I want to buy
>> it.
>>
>> Larry
>
>




 
Date: 20 Apr 2007 15:36:30
From: LF
Subject: Re: Pasquini Livia: electrical problems?
> pretty vague description of the problem(s) !!
>
> but there is nothing in there special. all the wiring is enclosed
> in a rather annoying heat 'protective' tubing.
>
> But yes parts are all availble -- mainly from Pasquini in LA
>
> be sure to ground the water reservoir sensor to the chassis or it will
> never start up.
> (that's if you have it apart and no water in the plastic tank)
> 'pid' control works well on these too.
>
Dave,
Thanks again. I'll take a look at it, and figure out if I want to buy
it.

Larry



 
Date: 20 Apr 2007 15:25:45
From: Dave b
Subject: Re: Pasquini Livia: electrical problems?
On Apr 20, 6:16 pm, LF <fie...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I'm considering buying a broken Pasquini Livia. The owner thinks it
> has "electrical problems". I haven=E2=80=99t looked at it, yet. Any wor=
ds of
> advice, caution, likely scenarios will be greatly appreciated.
> I take it that parts are available for this machine. I'm comfortable
> tinkering with machines, and have rescued quite a few home espresso
> machines (Gaggia, Saeco, Braun, Rancillio). Mostly they have been
> dirty, leaking, or both.
> Thanks,=E2=80=A8Larry

pretty vague description of the problem(s) !!

but there is nothing in there special. all the wiring is enclosed
in a rather annoying heat 'protective' tubing.

But yes parts are all availble -- mainly from Pasquini in LA

be sure to ground the water reservoir sensor to the chassis or it will
never start up.
(that's if you have it apart and no water in the plastic tank)
'pid' control works well on these too.

dave
www.hitechespresso.com