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Date: 28 May 2007 09:22:56
From: Ron
Subject: Patent website for espresso reading and info.
Anyone ever check out the patent website for interesting info about
espresso technologies (or anything else, for that matter)? E.g.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/result.html?query_txt=espresso%20coffee

Ron





 
Date: 29 May 2007 00:55:06
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Patent website for espresso reading and info.


  
Date: 31 May 2007 22:25:33
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Patent website for espresso reading and info.
On Tue, 29 May 2007 00:55:06 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:

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Date: 01 Jun 2007 08:34:25
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Patent website for espresso reading and info.
pltrgyst <pltrgyst@spamlessxhost.org > wrote:



    
Date: 01 Jun 2007 10:14:23
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Patent website for espresso reading and info.
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:34:25 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:

>Only since 1991 - I've been paying taxes a lot longer than that.

Oh, forgot to mention -- the PTO Web site began in 1994, so it has never been
funded in any way by tax funds, which was the original point.

-- Larry


    
Date: 01 Jun 2007 10:12:17
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Patent website for espresso reading and info.
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:34:25 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:

>Except only certain special TIFF plugins work for the images on this
>website.

That is correct. The plugin used must support CCITT Group 4 (T.6) compression,
which, while included in the TIFF specification, is not mandatory for all TIFF
implementations. But then there's no good reason to ever waste time on a TIFF
implementation which doesn't support both G4 and LZW, is there?

The PTO Web site provides links to companies providing such free plug-ins.

>


     
Date: 02 Jun 2007 22:11:34
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Patent website for espresso reading and info.


      
Date: 03 Jun 2007 10:08:33
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Patent website for espresso reading and info.
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:11:34 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:

>Both of the Windows plugins are irritating - they work sporadically (at
>least on firefox), one nags you to upgrade to the commercial version, and
>the other requires registration.

AlternaTIFF's registration process is minimal and quick, and requires no
verifiable personal information. I've used it daily since 1998, on five or six
different machines at a time (these days running almost entirely Firefox and
Seamonkey), and I've never seen even the slightest glitch. YMMV, obviously.

The only problem I've ever heard of concerning either recommended plug-in is due
to the ill behavior of QuickTime, which replaces other plug-ins without asking
permission, and is difficult for the average person to remove.

> (I use one not recommended, from CPC, even though it too nags to upgrade - it
>seemed to work more consistently than the others recommended at uspto.)

At last check, the CPC plug-in did not provide accurate printing without ads
printed on the pages. Has that changed?

>Students in my University's computer labs, for example, could not browse the site.

Then I guess it's true that students today are dumber than they used to be. 8;)

>I'm sure that the implementers of uspto.gov had a good reason for adopting an image
>format that tied users to a narrow range of plugins, but I don't know what it is.

Apparently you haven't read all the content of the page linked at "How to Access
and View Full-Page Images", which begins by advising:

"PTO's full-page images, nearly four terabytes overall, are stored and delivered
at full 300 dots per inch (d.p.i.) resolution in an image file format called
"TIFF," using CCITT Group 4 compression. This is the format which is required by
the international standards to which all patent offices must conform."

-- Larry


       
Date: 04 Jun 2007 01:56:33
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Patent website for espresso reading and info.
pltrgyst <pltrgyst@spamlessxhost.org > wrote:



        
Date: 04 Jun 2007 11:21:28
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: Patent website for espresso reading and info.
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:56:33 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:

>Do these requirements apply to the website, or to storage only? I find it
>hard to believe that international standards prevent PTO from offering their
>web pages in a more common format.

The World Intellectual Property Office and other treaty standards apply to the
international exchange of data, which USPTO is obliged to do in a timely manner.
Thus all offices do their initial image scanning and processing in that format.

There is nothing preventing PTO from converting those images to another format,
and storing and serving those images, except time (over two months to simply
back-up the image database, let alone do the conversion) and money (for servers,
processing, and image coordination between the multiple data sets -- and PTO
money is never available for new projects to serve the general public, only
special interest groups).

And the big bugaboos in arguing for conversion on-the-fly have always been both
money and PTO's inability to decide how to handle "jumbo" patents -- those that
run into the thousands of pages -- which not one of the third-party sites can
handle, either.

-- Larry


         
Date: 06 Jun 2007 22:07:27
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Patent website for espresso reading and info.