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Date: 26 Aug 2007 17:56:47
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.
My wife has gotten attached to the Nivola, a machine I'm not wildly fond of.
I'm curious if any other Nivola users would be willing to post their
opinions. To start the thread off, here's my take on the thing.

Good:
* You'll either love or hate it's looks.
* It reminds me of the Pre-WWII Mercedes & Auto Union formula 1 race cars.
* It also brings to mind the Ducati F1 bikes of the 60's.
* It's easy to use, since there are temp & time limits built into it.
* The steam wand is easy to use & conveniently placed.
* It's a bit quieter than Gaggia & Rancilio Silvia models.

Bad:
* You'll either love or hate it's looks.
* The single control knob leaves the machine looking like something from
Isaac Asimov's robot series of books.
* You can't temp surf because it will only pull a shot when it's reached the
right temp.
* The 40 second time limit on pulls means you can't run long if you've
over-tamped.
* No 3-way valve means you've got to watch out for the portafilter sneeze.
* Why a 57mm portafilter? Would it have killed them to make it a
professional sized 58mm?
* I'm not crazy about clear-coated aluminum finishes.
* The steam valve is an either/or unit - full on or full off.

What's other owner's opinions?

--
Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.






 
Date: 27 Aug 2007 06:30:24
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.


  
Date: 27 Aug 2007 04:01:05
From: *alan*
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.

"D. Ross" wrote
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 08:14:52
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.


    
Date: 28 Aug 2007 22:53:23
From: *alan*
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.

"D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu > wrote in message
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Date: 29 Aug 2007 10:08:29
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.


      
Date: 29 Aug 2007 23:34:50
From: *alan*
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.

"D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu > wrote in message
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 08:11:02
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.


        
Date: 30 Aug 2007 16:16:03
From: *alan*
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.

"D. Ross" wrote
[ . . . ]
> I never said there was a 1-2 second delay in the steaming. It is more on
> the order of a fraction of a second [ . . . ]

Yes, I see that now. When, in the course of a discussion of knob-activated
steaming, you said "when I turn the wheel, I want the car to turn _right
now_, and not in a second or two", it was just plain silly of me to infer
that you were ascribing a similar delay to knob-activated steaming.
--
alan



         
Date: 31 Aug 2007 06:13:14
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.
"*alan*" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com > wrote:



          
Date: 01 Sep 2007 00:00:16
From: *alan*
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.

"D. Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu > wrote in message
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> "*alan*" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Date: 29 Aug 2007 13:07:41
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:08:29 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D.
Ross) wrote:

>There have been some posts here over the years from Salvatore owners (the
>Salvatore is probably the most popular semicommercial machine with binary
>steam control) on the same subject, in fact it was their posts that first
>helped me overcome my own prejudice and buy a (different) machine with such
>a control.

fwiw, i'm going to install an electronic steam valve on one of my
marzoccos in the near future. i'd intended to put them on one of the
machines i'm currently building, but the guy who's buying it started
balking at all the customization he wanted as the $$ kept climbing.



       
Date: 30 Aug 2007 07:59:51
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.


        
Date: 30 Aug 2007 13:15:27
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:59:51 GMT, ross@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D.
Ross) wrote:

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Date: 28 Aug 2007 18:38:36
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.
The Nivola has a plastic steam wand attachment (like Gaggia & Saeco) that's
easily pulled off & cleaned, so there's no problem with build up like you'd
get in a conventional metal tube wand. And that's an over-rated problem for
other machines in my book, since every time the steam wand is used it cleans
out any residue from previous uses. The grungiest part is the outside of the
steam wand and that's an easy cure.
--
Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
"*alan*" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> Years ago I briefly worked behind the counter at the "Med" in Berkeley,
> and was taught by an old Italian barista there (this was so long ago, it
> was *way* before he would have been called a "barista") that unless you've
> got at least a little trickle of steam exiting the wand when you plunge it
> into the milk, you're going to allow some of the milk to enter the wand.
> Likewise, if after having foamed the milk, you abruptly turn off the steam
> with the wand still in the milk, some of the milk is going to enter the
> wand.




      
Date: 28 Aug 2007 23:52:10
From: *alan*
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.

"Robert Harmon" <Texas_Coffee@earthlink.net > wrote in message
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> The Nivola has a plastic steam wand attachment (like Gaggia & Saeco)
> that's easily pulled off & cleaned, so there's no problem with build up
> like you'd get in a conventional metal tube wand. And that's an over-rated
> problem for other machines in my book, since every time the steam wand is
> used it cleans out any residue from previous uses. The grungiest part is
> the outside of the steam wand and that's an easy cure.
> --
> Robert Harmon

Really? You've never removed the tip and found a buildup of crud inside? My
ex-wife was always putting the wand in the milk before turning it on, and
every couple weeks or so, I'd take the tip off and find solid milk build-up.
You may be blasting out the the holes every time you turn it on, but you're
not blasting out any milk that solidified inside the tip or further up the
wand. Anyway, what are YOUR reasons for preferring the gradual
knob-activation over the on/off only? (You did list it as a negative
point).
--
Alan
(no website)
(nothing for sale)


> "*alan*" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:DH1Bi.12369$3x.3283@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>> Years ago I briefly worked behind the counter at the "Med" in Berkeley,
>> and was taught by an old Italian barista there (this was so long ago, it
>> was *way* before he would have been called a "barista") that unless
>> you've got at least a little trickle of steam exiting the wand when you
>> plunge it into the milk, you're going to allow some of the milk to enter
>> the wand. Likewise, if after having foamed the milk, you abruptly turn
>> off the steam with the wand still in the milk, some of the milk is going
>> to enter the wand.
>
>



       
Date: 28 Aug 2007 22:38:17
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.
I'm all about the illusion of control. My Bunn ES-1A has hot water & steam
valve levers under the drip tray & the Nuovo Simonelli Mac Digit has the on
either side of the group. I didn't mention that I keep the steam wand
immersed in a container of hot water when not in use. That's probably why I
get so little build up in my steam wands. Give it a try.

--
Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
"*alan*" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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>
> "Robert Harmon" <Texas_Coffee@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:13d9cfbbasp5hde@corp.supernews.com...
>> The Nivola has a plastic steam wand attachment (like Gaggia & Saeco)
>> that's easily pulled off & cleaned, so there's no problem with build up
>> like you'd get in a conventional metal tube wand. And that's an
>> over-rated problem for other machines in my book, since every time the
>> steam wand is used it cleans out any residue from previous uses. The
>> grungiest part is the outside of the steam wand and that's an easy cure.
>> --
>> Robert Harmon
>
> Really? You've never removed the tip and found a buildup of crud inside?
> My ex-wife was always putting the wand in the milk before turning it on,
> and every couple weeks or so, I'd take the tip off and find solid milk
> build-up. You may be blasting out the the holes every time you turn it on,
> but you're not blasting out any milk that solidified inside the tip or
> further up the wand. Anyway, what are YOUR reasons for preferring the
> gradual knob-activation over the on/off only? (You did list it as a
> negative point).
> --
> Alan
> (no website)
> (nothing for sale)
>
>
>> "*alan*" <in_flagrante@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:DH1Bi.12369$3x.3283@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Years ago I briefly worked behind the counter at the "Med" in Berkeley,
>>> and was taught by an old Italian barista there (this was so long ago, it
>>> was *way* before he would have been called a "barista") that unless
>>> you've got at least a little trickle of steam exiting the wand when you
>>> plunge it into the milk, you're going to allow some of the milk to enter
>>> the wand. Likewise, if after having foamed the milk, you abruptly turn
>>> off the steam with the wand still in the milk, some of the milk is going
>>> to enter the wand.
>>
>>
>




 
Date: 27 Aug 2007 05:25:45
From: lockjaw
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.
name names, bub!

dave



 
Date: 26 Aug 2007 21:56:37
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Playing around with an Elektra Nivola.
Just got this email message from that great humanitarian.
--------------------------------------------------------
Sooo clever, bub!

you just HAPPEN to have a nivola for SALE!

wow!

noticed you removed the insulting cartoons from your 'page'

-- and the whining on AC about my last message to you ??

did NOT exactly win you support.

--
Robert Harmon
--
http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.


http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
"Robert Harmon" <Texas_Coffee@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:13d4190a6bnvue9@corp.supernews.com...
> My wife has gotten attached to the Nivola, a machine I'm not wildly fond
> of. I'm curious if any other Nivola users would be willing to post their
> opinions. To start the thread off, here's my take on the thing.
>
> Good:
> * You'll either love or hate it's looks.
> * It reminds me of the Pre-WWII Mercedes & Auto Union formula 1 race cars.
> * It also brings to mind the Ducati F1 bikes of the 60's.
> * It's easy to use, since there are temp & time limits built into it.
> * The steam wand is easy to use & conveniently placed.
> * It's a bit quieter than Gaggia & Rancilio Silvia models.
>
> Bad:
> * You'll either love or hate it's looks.
> * The single control knob leaves the machine looking like something from
> Isaac Asimov's robot series of books.
> * You can't temp surf because it will only pull a shot when it's reached
> the right temp.
> * The 40 second time limit on pulls means you can't run long if you've
> over-tamped.
> * No 3-way valve means you've got to watch out for the portafilter sneeze.
> * Why a 57mm portafilter? Would it have killed them to make it a
> professional sized 58mm?
> * I'm not crazy about clear-coated aluminum finishes.
> * The steam valve is an either/or unit - full on or full off.
>
> What's other owner's opinions?
>
> --
> Robert Harmon
> --
> http://www.tinyurl.com/mb4uj - My coffee pages.
>
> http://www.tinyurl.com/2tnv87 - My 'Guidelines For Newbies' page.
>
> http://www.tinyurl.com/2cr3e2 - I have things for sale here.
>