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Date: 12 Jan 2007 17:19:18
From:
Subject: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Attention: Expert Coffee Roasters. We are wanting to purchase a coupls
of quality green coffee roaster that has ALL the bells and whistles. We
are a new co-operative in Sumatra and need to cup all our farmers
coffee before purchase. We cannot justify to purchase an industrail
type at this stage of our new operation. Looking for a unit that has
all the settings and is a level above the Bravi [ which only roasts to
french roast ]. We have to be able to profile roasting to all
international needs. Thanks For your help!!





 
Date: 15 Jan 2007 16:31:02
From: Mathew Hargreaves
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Hello Donald,

Most of the varieties of apples are the newer crossbreeds. A few
months back I was searching out availability of Winesap apples. An old
breed of apple I prize for the flavor. They used to be around here in
the Seattle region. Alas I have not seen them for two years in the
stores. I suspect one of the regional apple cider pressing companies is
buying them up for that purpose. The deeper tones of their cider's
flavor seem to indicate this. Other companies are doing cider but the
flavor is very bright like yellow delicious is used, and nothing else to
fill out the flavor.
The new darling of the apple industry is the Honey Crisp. It showed
up about two years ago. It lives up to its name but is very expensive.
The apple industry hopes it will improve apple sales and quality. The
red delicious had been pushed in its cultivation to a solid red but it
resulted in a mealy textured apple. Very pretty to look at but not what
you wanted under the skin. So efforts are being expended to bring back
the flavor and texture qualities that truely wanted in apples.

CHEERS...Mathew

i840coffee@optonline.net wrote:
>
> Gayo Mountain coffee is among Sumatra's better districts.
>
> Arabica coffee was first cultivated in Netherlands East Indies
> (Indonesia) by the Dutch in the mid 16th Century. It was wiped out by
> Hemileia Vastatrix leaf rust disease that attacked the East Indies
> coffee trees beginning in 1877. Coffee was replaced first with
> rubber, then Robusta (Coffea Canifora) coffee which appeared to be
> disease resistant. In the last twenty years there has been an ongoing
> effort to replant Arabica was established by the Indonesian government.
> Today about 10% of Indonesia's coffee is Arabica.
>
> Coffee is Indonbesia's third largest export behind petroleum, rubber
> and lumber. About 5% of coffee exports are Species Coffea, Genus
> Arabica as categorized by Carl von Linné/ Carolus Linnaeus in the
> 18th Century.
>
> Indonesia's International Coffee Association (ICO) "Country Code"
> is '15'. This number is the lead digits of the serial number
> printed on the belly of all sacks of coffee exported from Indonesia.
> Indonesia's most important agricultural products are rice, cassava,
> peanuts, rubber cocoa coffee. US is Indonesia's #2 export partner
> after Japan.
>
> Arabica Variety Catimor is the priy Arabica species botanical
> variety planted on the Indonesian islands. Grade #1 Arabica calls for
> no more than 11 defects per 300 gr. per randomly drawn sample of green
> beans.
>
> The name Gayo Mountain Coffee® is a copyrighted proprietary brand of
> Holland Coffee Group. The Holland mills are located in Takengon,
> Sumatra, Indonesia. They produce washed Arabica coffee for the
> specialty trade. The factory in North Sumatra producing high quality
> washed and unwashed coffee. Holland's coffee is available in an
> Organic or regular preparation. Independent third party certification
> is provided by SKAL.
>
> With apologies to the alties from Washington State, I'm a New Yorker.
> We grow apples here. Big, green, red and yellow apples. I would
> hazard that few apple lovers would be able to name more than one or two
> of the over twenty varieties that we grow without resorting to a
> reference source. That doesn't mean that alt.coffee participants do
> not enjoy a good New York apple every now and then.
>
> -Donald Schoenholt


  
Date: 16 Jan 2007 07:03:08
From: Donn Cave
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Quoth Mathew Hargreaves <mathewdh@worldnet.att.net >:
...


   
Date: 17 Jan 2007 00:11:06
From: Mathew Hargreaves
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Thanks Donn. Red delicious can be really good. The early harvest is
usually a bit green so timing is everything. But the best apple, is
straight off a tree fully ripened. :-)

CHEERS...Matt

Donn Cave wrote:
>
> Quoth Mathew Hargreaves <mathewdh@worldnet.att.net>:
> ...
>


  
Date: 15 Jan 2007 12:11:49
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
In the East, Winesaps (or more often Stayman-Winesaps which are similar) are
fairly well available - I even see them in ordinary superkets in 3 lb.
cello bags on occasion, alongside our other common eastern grown
varieties - McIntosh, Empire, Golden Delicious. I live close to Lancaster
County, PA where the Amish have kept alive some of the wonderful old time
apple varieties - Smokehouse, York, Newtown Pippin, etc. Plus they are
starting to cultivate some of the newer and imported varieties that have
great flavor and texture. Fortunately, Red Delicious never did that well in
our climate - they did not form the perfect wax apple shape that you see
from the Washington RD's. Not only do RD's look like wax apples, they taste
that way too. They are in league with canned Folgers coffee, non-dairy
creamer, etc. as part of that dismal phase of American life where food
production was going to become industrialized and standardized.



"Mathew Hargreaves" <mathewdh@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:45ABAB66.6453AC77@worldnet.att.net...
> Hello Donald,
>
> Most of the varieties of apples are the newer crossbreeds. A few
> months back I was searching out availability of Winesap apples. An old
> breed of apple I prize for the flavor. They used to be around here in
> the Seattle region. Alas I have not seen them for two years in the
> stores. I suspect one of the regional apple cider pressing companies is
> buying them up for that purpose. The deeper tones of their cider's
> flavor seem to indicate this. Other companies are doing cider but the
> flavor is very bright like yellow delicious is used, and nothing else to
> fill out the flavor.
> The new darling of the apple industry is the Honey Crisp. It showed
> up about two years ago. It lives up to its name but is very expensive.
> The apple industry hopes it will improve apple sales and quality. The
> red delicious had been pushed in its cultivation to a solid red but it
> resulted in a mealy textured apple. Very pretty to look at but not what
> you wanted under the skin. So efforts are being expended to bring back
> the flavor and texture qualities that truely wanted in apples.
>
> CHEERS...Mathew




 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 21:40:51
From:
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Here ya go, shall;
http://www.nyapplecountry.com/varieties.htm

-DNS



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 19:10:17
From:
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Gayo Mountain coffee is among Sumatra's better districts.

Arabica coffee was first cultivated in Netherlands East Indies
(Indonesia) by the Dutch in the mid 16th Century. It was wiped out by
Hemileia Vastatrix leaf rust disease that attacked the East Indies
coffee trees beginning in 1877. Coffee was replaced first with
rubber, then Robusta (Coffea Canifora) coffee which appeared to be
disease resistant. In the last twenty years there has been an ongoing
effort to replant Arabica was established by the Indonesian government.
Today about 10% of Indonesia's coffee is Arabica.

Coffee is Indonbesia's third largest export behind petroleum, rubber
and lumber. About 5% of coffee exports are Species Coffea, Genus
Arabica as categorized by Carl von Linn=E9/ Carolus Linnaeus in the
18th Century.

Indonesia's International Coffee Association (ICO) "Country Code"
is '15'. This number is the lead digits of the serial number
printed on the belly of all sacks of coffee exported from Indonesia.
Indonesia's most important agricultural products are rice, cassava,
peanuts, rubber cocoa coffee. US is Indonesia's #2 export partner
after Japan.

Arabica Variety Catimor is the priy Arabica species botanical
variety planted on the Indonesian islands. Grade #1 Arabica calls for
no more than 11 defects per 300 gr. per randomly drawn sample of green
beans.

The name Gayo Mountain Coffee=AE is a copyrighted proprietary brand of
Holland Coffee Group. The Holland mills are located in Takengon,
Sumatra, Indonesia. They produce washed Arabica coffee for the
specialty trade. The factory in North Sumatra producing high quality
washed and unwashed coffee. Holland's coffee is available in an
Organic or regular preparation. Independent third party certification
is provided by SKAL.

With apologies to the alties from Washington State, I'm a New Yorker.
We grow apples here. Big, green, red and yellow apples. I would
hazard that few apple lovers would be able to name more than one or two
of the over twenty varieties that we grow without resorting to a
reference source. That doesn't mean that alt.coffee participants do
not enjoy a good New York apple every now and then.

-Donald Schoenholt



  
Date: 15 Jan 2007 12:22:23
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Don,

In this 1877 cookbook, "Laguayra" is referred to as a coffee origin, along
with the more familiar Mocha (Yemen) , Java (Indonesia) and Rio (Brasil). I
assume they mean La Guaira, the principal port of Venezuela. When did
Laguayra cease to be a commonly used name for coffee? I had never even heard
the name before I came across this.

http://digital.lib.msu.edu/projects/cookbooks/coldfusion/display.cfm?ID=oldv&PageNum=64



<i840coffee@optonline.net > wrote in message
news:1168830617.707875.261170@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com...
Gayo Mountain coffee is among Sumatra's better districts.

Arabica coffee was first cultivated in Netherlands East Indies
(Indonesia) by the Dutch in the mid 16th Century. It was wiped out by
Hemileia Vastatrix leaf rust disease that attacked the East Indies
coffee trees beginning in 1877. Coffee was replaced first with
rubber, then Robusta (Coffea Canifora) coffee which appeared to be
disease resistant. In the last twenty years there has been an ongoing
effort to replant Arabica was established by the Indonesian government.
Today about 10% of Indonesia's coffee is Arabica.

Coffee is Indonbesia's third largest export behind petroleum, rubber
and lumber. About 5% of coffee exports are Species Coffea, Genus
Arabica as categorized by Carl von Linné/ Carolus Linnaeus in the
18th Century.

Indonesia's International Coffee Association (ICO) "Country Code"
is '15'. This number is the lead digits of the serial number
printed on the belly of all sacks of coffee exported from Indonesia.
Indonesia's most important agricultural products are rice, cassava,
peanuts, rubber cocoa coffee. US is Indonesia's #2 export partner
after Japan.

Arabica Variety Catimor is the priy Arabica species botanical
variety planted on the Indonesian islands. Grade #1 Arabica calls for
no more than 11 defects per 300 gr. per randomly drawn sample of green
beans.

The name Gayo Mountain Coffee® is a copyrighted proprietary brand of
Holland Coffee Group. The Holland mills are located in Takengon,
Sumatra, Indonesia. They produce washed Arabica coffee for the
specialty trade. The factory in North Sumatra producing high quality
washed and unwashed coffee. Holland's coffee is available in an
Organic or regular preparation. Independent third party certification
is provided by SKAL.

With apologies to the alties from Washington State, I'm a New Yorker.
We grow apples here. Big, green, red and yellow apples. I would
hazard that few apple lovers would be able to name more than one or two
of the over twenty varieties that we grow without resorting to a
reference source. That doesn't mean that alt.coffee participants do
not enjoy a good New York apple every now and then.

-Donald Schoenholt




   
Date: 15 Jan 2007 19:23:40
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:22:23 -0500, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>In this 1877 cookbook, "Laguayra" is referred to as a coffee origin, along
>with the more familiar Mocha (Yemen) , Java (Indonesia) and Rio (Brasil). I
>assume they mean La Guaira, the principal port of Venezuela. When did
>Laguayra cease to be a commonly used name for coffee? I had never even heard
>the name before I came across this.
>

La Guaira is mentioned in Ukers 1935 "All About Coffee", p204:

"VENEZUELA. The coffees of Venezuela are generally grouped under the
heads of acaibo, Caracas, and Puerto Cabello. acaibo and Puerto
Cabello coffees take their names from the ports through which they are
shipped. Caracas coffees are shipped through the port of La Guaira.
Each group is further subdivided by the names of the districts in
which the principal plantations lie. La Guaira coffee includes that
produced in the vicinity of Caracas and Cumana."




    
Date: 15 Jan 2007 15:01:44
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
I suppose that the coffee growing areas of Caracas have long since been
paved over for oil refineries and housing so that there is no coffee left to
send thru the port. I gather that although Venezuela still grows enough
coffee for its domestic ket, very little makes its way onto the world
ket nowadays, compared to the old days when Venezuela was an important
origin.

I see that Chavez has extended his socialist meddling to the remaining
domestic coffee sector, with the predictable result that the product in
question has disappeared from the open ket, so that government
confiscation is the only way to obtain supplies. Of course, once the
government has confiscated the existing stocks, there will be no more,
unless the government also confiscates the processing facilities (the
probable next step). Of course, then when the socialized roasting
facilities break or wear out, that will be the end of availability for that
product, or each Venezuelan will be entitled to some pitiful ration of
coffee provided he is in good standing with the local party committee. At
this rate, Venezuela will soon be a "socialist paradise" where goods will be
as plentiful as Cuba and N. Korea. It's amazing to me that in 2007 there is
someone (indeed a signficant sector because Chavez appears to have support
from a fair sized portion of the Venezuelan population) who doesn't
understand that it's no more possible to repeal the laws of economics and
human nature (e.g. people will not willingly sell a product for less than it
costs them to produce it) than it is to repeal the laws of gravity. Very
sad.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/venezuela/story/0,12716,1683002,00.html





"Barry Jarrett" <barry@rileys-coffee.com > wrote in message
news:lsknq250p6i4dj5s1t0dtfaaovr5c5lu3e@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:22:23 -0500, "Jack Denver"
> <nunuvyer@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> >In this 1877 cookbook, "Laguayra" is referred to as a coffee origin,
> >along
> >with the more familiar Mocha (Yemen) , Java (Indonesia) and Rio (Brasil).
> >I
> >assume they mean La Guaira, the principal port of Venezuela. When did
> >Laguayra cease to be a commonly used name for coffee? I had never even
> >heard
> >the name before I came across this.
> >
>
> La Guaira is mentioned in Ukers 1935 "All About Coffee", p204:
>
> "VENEZUELA. The coffees of Venezuela are generally grouped under the
> heads of acaibo, Caracas, and Puerto Cabello. acaibo and Puerto
> Cabello coffees take their names from the ports through which they are
> shipped. Caracas coffees are shipped through the port of La Guaira.
> Each group is further subdivided by the names of the districts in
> which the principal plantations lie. La Guaira coffee includes that
> produced in the vicinity of Caracas and Cumana."
>
>




     
Date: 16 Jan 2007 00:39:15
From: Marshall
Subject: Coupa Cafe
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:01:44 -0500, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>I suppose that the coffee growing areas of Caracas have long since been
>paved over for oil refineries and housing so that there is no coffee left to
>send thru the port. I gather that although Venezuela still grows enough
>coffee for its domestic ket, very little makes its way onto the world
>ket nowadays, compared to the old days when Venezuela was an important
>origin.

Very timely post. Yesterday I had my first Venezuelan coffees ...
ever! Apparently green coffee is no longer exported. But, Jean Paul
Coupal, owner of "Coupa Cafe" roasts his coffees each Monday in
Venezuela and ships them out by DHL for Wednesday delivery at his Palo
Alto and (new) Beverly Hills shops.

Although he stocks about a dozen Venezuelan origins, Jean Paul prefers
espresso preparation and recommends the Venezuelan version of an
americano for those who prefer drip. He has very cool equipment, knows
his frothing, and his staff pours latte art. There is a new Unic with
digital control and 3 new uber-cool Mahlkoenig K30 ES doserless
grinders. One is set finer, just for ristrettos.

The espresso was very good, indeed. But, what's more he sells
Venezuelan bon bons (by Choao Chocolate Co.) to eat with your coffee.
The shop is beautiful (on Canon Dr.), Jean Paul is great fun to talk
coffee with (he is very specific about the cultivars he prefers), and
we had a wonderful time.

Link here: http://www.coupacafe.com/venezuelan.html

shall "no, he's not a client, we just had a really great time"


     
Date: 15 Jan 2007 22:23:01
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:01:44 -0500, "Jack Denver"
<nunuvyer@netscape.net > wrote:

>I suppose that the coffee growing areas of Caracas have long since been
>paved over for oil refineries and housing so that there is no coffee left to
>send thru the port. I gather that although Venezuela still grows enough
>coffee for its domestic ket, very little makes its way onto the world
>ket nowadays, compared to the old days when Venezuela was an important
>origin.
>

one of our all-time favorite coffees, and most charismatic green
broker, came from venezuela: Mezzana Estate and Sammy Olivieri. sammy
had found the mezzana brothers farm during his work on a phd at texas
a&m, and became their distributor. he'd rent a caddy and load it up
with coffee, then drive wildly around the country dropping the stuff
off at small roasters. if you've ever seen a white caddy scraping the
ground, doing about 100mph up I-44 or I-35 or any of the other
highways out of texas, it was probably sammy. i would never have
thought one could get 15 bags of coffee in a caddy. his wife would
call and say something like "he just left oklahoma city, he should be
there by lunch" or some other absurd travel time, and sure enough,
sammy would come strolling through the door at lunchtime...
"baaaaaaaaaarrrrreeeeeeeeee!!! hoooowwwww are youuuuuuu todayyyyyy??"

anyway, the last i'd heard, the farm and all the trees (including some
purple arabicas) had been bulldozed under to make way for condos, and
sammy was off in africa helping the coffee farmers of rwanda. i have
no idea where he is now, but i'd love to have him walk through the
door again.

--barry "some people are truly 'individual'"




  
Date: 14 Jan 2007 23:54:42
From: Ed Needham
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Added to my archive.
Incredible information.
Thank You.
--
*********************
Ed Needham®
"to absurdity and beyond!"
http://www.homeroaster.com
(include [FRIEND] in subject line to get through my SPAM filters)
*********************

<i840coffee@optonline.net > wrote in message
news:1168830617.707875.261170@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com...
Gayo Mountain coffee is among Sumatra's better districts.

Arabica coffee was first cultivated in Netherlands East Indies
(Indonesia) by the Dutch in the mid 16th Century. It was wiped out by
Hemileia Vastatrix leaf rust disease that attacked the East Indies
coffee trees beginning in 1877. Coffee was replaced first with
rubber, then Robusta (Coffea Canifora) coffee which appeared to be
disease resistant. In the last twenty years there has been an ongoing
effort to replant Arabica was established by the Indonesian government.
Today about 10% of Indonesia's coffee is Arabica.

Coffee is Indonbesia's third largest export behind petroleum, rubber
and lumber. About 5% of coffee exports are Species Coffea, Genus
Arabica as categorized by Carl von Linné/ Carolus Linnaeus in the
18th Century.

Indonesia's International Coffee Association (ICO) "Country Code"
is '15'. This number is the lead digits of the serial number
printed on the belly of all sacks of coffee exported from Indonesia.
Indonesia's most important agricultural products are rice, cassava,
peanuts, rubber cocoa coffee. US is Indonesia's #2 export partner
after Japan.

Arabica Variety Catimor is the priy Arabica species botanical
variety planted on the Indonesian islands. Grade #1 Arabica calls for
no more than 11 defects per 300 gr. per randomly drawn sample of green
beans.

The name Gayo Mountain Coffee® is a copyrighted proprietary brand of
Holland Coffee Group. The Holland mills are located in Takengon,
Sumatra, Indonesia. They produce washed Arabica coffee for the
specialty trade. The factory in North Sumatra producing high quality
washed and unwashed coffee. Holland's coffee is available in an
Organic or regular preparation. Independent third party certification
is provided by SKAL.

With apologies to the alties from Washington State, I'm a New Yorker.
We grow apples here. Big, green, red and yellow apples. I would
hazard that few apple lovers would be able to name more than one or two
of the over twenty varieties that we grow without resorting to a
reference source. That doesn't mean that alt.coffee participants do
not enjoy a good New York apple every now and then.

-Donald Schoenholt




  
Date: 15 Jan 2007 03:39:44
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
On 14 Jan 2007 19:10:17 -0800, i840coffee@optonline.net wrote:

>With apologies to the alties from Washington State, I'm a New Yorker.
> We grow apples here. Big, green, red and yellow apples. I would
>hazard that few apple lovers would be able to name more than one or two
>of the over twenty varieties that we grow without resorting to a
>reference source. That doesn't mean that alt.coffee participants do
>not enjoy a good New York apple every now and then.
>
>-Donald Schoenholt

Rome, Cortland, uhhhh....

shall "Southern California grows wonderful apples, too"


   
Date: 15 Jan 2007 09:53:25
From: Jack Denver
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Mcintosh, Red Delicious, Yellow Delicious, Jonathan, IdaRed, Empire,
Winesap, Fuji, Mutsu, Gala, etc.


"shall" <mrfuss@ihatespamearthlink.net > wrote in message
news:jptlq2l0fpj1khusae1emqso90b24rp45m@4ax.com...
> On 14 Jan 2007 19:10:17 -0800, i840coffee@optonline.net wrote:
>
>>With apologies to the alties from Washington State, I'm a New Yorker.
>> We grow apples here. Big, green, red and yellow apples. I would
>>hazard that few apple lovers would be able to name more than one or two
>>of the over twenty varieties that we grow without resorting to a
>>reference source. That doesn't mean that alt.coffee participants do
>>not enjoy a good New York apple every now and then.
>>
>>-Donald Schoenholt
>
> Rome, Cortland, uhhhh....
>
> shall "Southern California grows wonderful apples, too"




 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 18:31:38
From:
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Yes, education is the huge challange here. With the 30 year conflict
the area was cut off to visiting importers/roasters so for us it's a
small step but an important one. Thanks I have gone to the Roasters
Guild. Just waiting for their return email. Thanks again.

shall wrote:
> On 12 Jan 2007 17:19:18 -0800, info@acehcoffee.com wrote:
>
> >Attention: Expert Coffee Roasters. We are wanting to purchase a coupls
> >of quality green coffee roaster that has ALL the bells and whistles. We
> >are a new co-operative in Sumatra and need to cup all our farmers
> >coffee before purchase. We cannot justify to purchase an industrail
> >type at this stage of our new operation. Looking for a unit that has
> >all the settings and is a level above the Bravi [ which only roasts to
> >french roast ]. We have to be able to profile roasting to all
> >international needs. Thanks For your help!!
>
> You have wandered into a newsgroup that is about 95% consumer
> enthusiasts and 5% professionals. This is why I suggested you post
> your question at the Roasters' Guild. The consumer machines that most
> people are familiar with on this newsgroup are not designed to meet
> the heavy usage of a grower's coop. The smallest, cheap air roasters
> also tend to produce a very fast roast that is brighter and less
> complex in the cup than the large drum roasts for which your crops are
> destined.
>
> By the way, it is great to hear you are cupping your own coffees. It
> is dismaying to hear how many farmers do not know how their own coffee
> tastes when roasted.
>
> shall



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 19:47:44
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
On 12 Jan 2007 17:19:18 -0800, info@acehcoffee.com wrote:

>Attention: Expert Coffee Roasters. We are wanting to purchase a coupls
>of quality green coffee roaster that has ALL the bells and whistles. We
>are a new co-operative in Sumatra and need to cup all our farmers
>coffee before purchase. We cannot justify to purchase an industrail
>type at this stage of our new operation. Looking for a unit that has
>all the settings and is a level above the Bravi [ which only roasts to
>french roast ]. We have to be able to profile roasting to all
>international needs. Thanks For your help!!

You have wandered into a newsgroup that is about 95% consumer
enthusiasts and 5% professionals. This is why I suggested you post
your question at the Roasters' Guild. The consumer machines that most
people are familiar with on this newsgroup are not designed to meet
the heavy usage of a grower's coop. The smallest, cheap air roasters
also tend to produce a very fast roast that is brighter and less
complex in the cup than the large drum roasts for which your crops are
destined.

By the way, it is great to hear you are cupping your own coffees. It
is dismaying to hear how many farmers do not know how their own coffee
tastes when roasted.

shall


 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 09:00:29
From:
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-

info@acehcoffee.com wrote:
> Attention: Expert Coffee Roasters. We are wanting to purchase a coupls
> of quality green coffee roaster that has ALL the bells and whistles. We
> are a new co-operative in Sumatra and need to cup all our farmers
> coffee before purchase. We cannot justify to purchase an industrail
> type at this stage of our new operation. Looking for a unit that has
> all the settings and is a level above the Bravi [ which only roasts to
> french roast ]. We have to be able to profile roasting to all
> international needs. Thanks For your help!!

I'm looking into upgrading from a fluid bed home roaster to a radiant
heat drum roaster for home and the Hottop comes up more often as a good
home roaster that's one step below a commercial.

I'd image, though, if you're going to be roasting for sampling/cupping
you really want a roaster that'll offer you control and consistency.
Right now the Hottops come with preprogrammed profiles and the only
control you have is either extending the roasting time up and to a
default limit or stopping the roast when you want. No roast profile
control from a stock machine.

If this is going to be a commercial investment personally I'd consider
a Diedrich or similar sample roaster. I'd imagine any commercial
manufacturer would be more than happy to offer support on the
functioning and use of their sample roasters. You won't necessarily
get that from a Hottop and since the Hottop is not a commercial roaster
and is targeted at the home use retail ket. I don't think Hottop
would offer the same level of service and support as a commercial
manufacter/vendor especially if they find out you're using it as a
commercial sampling roaster. If I had the money I'd get a Diedrich for
home use...

http://www.diedrichroasters.com/sample.html



  
Date: 14 Jan 2007 13:40:36
From: Tony Verhulst
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Re: Hottop

> I'd image, though, if you're going to be roasting for sampling/cupping
> you really want a roaster that'll offer you control and consistency.
> Right now the Hottops come with preprogrammed profiles and the only
> control you have is either extending the roasting time up and to a
> default limit or stopping the roast when you want. No roast profile
> control from a stock machine.

Currently true but is about to change. Check out the Hottop website at
http://www.hottopusa.com/news.html . They're introducing the KN-8828P
model that allows you to select the desired temperature(s) and have up
to 10 roasting programs. Even better, existing models can be upgraded by
replacing the control panel and the main board. Neat!

Tony V.


   
Date: 14 Jan 2007 14:08:48
From: Craig Andrews
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-

"Tony Verhulst" <no@thankyou.com > wrote in message
news:dv-dnbyyGoW45DfYnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@comcast.com...
> Re: Hottop
>
>> I'd image, though, if you're going to be roasting for
>> sampling/cupping
>> you really want a roaster that'll offer you control and consistency.
>> Right now the Hottops come with preprogrammed profiles and the only
>> control you have is either extending the roasting time up and to a
>> default limit or stopping the roast when you want. No roast profile
>> control from a stock machine.
>
> Currently true but is about to change. Check out the Hottop website at
> http://www.hottopusa.com/news.html . They're introducing the KN-8828P
> model that allows you to select the desired temperature(s) and have up
> to 10 roasting programs. Even better, existing models can be upgraded
> by replacing the control panel and the main board. Neat!
>
> Tony V.

Yeah, @ about $600 a pop!
Craig.



 
Date: 14 Jan 2007 02:29:39
From: Coffee for Connoisseurs
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
>Attention: Expert Coffee Roasters. We are wanting to purchase a coupls
>of quality green coffee roaster that has ALL the bells and whistles.

The only "domestic" type roaster that comes close is the Hottop; you'd
either need to buy direct from the manufacturer in Taiwan or the UK.
Otherwise you'd have to look at the "usual suspects", Probat, Deidrich,
Ambex, Has Garanti. They all make "sample roasters".


--
Alan

alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au
www.coffeeco.com.au




 
Date: 13 Jan 2007 14:46:35
From:
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
well my dear friend Tony,

I just thought it was not worth the time to respond to your Tuna Kopi.

BTW here in Sumatra there is 3 types of Arabica coffee [ not varities ]

I wonder if you know what they are?

MJ


Tony Verhulst wrote:
> I apologize. It was a joke. I knew that English was not your native
> language (it's not mine either) and should have recognized that you
> might not recognize it as a joke. Wanting to buy a green coffee roaster
> is like wanting to buy a hot water heater. Why would you want to heat
> hot water?
>
> TonyV
>
> info@acehcoffee.com wrote:
> > Sumatran Arabica....
> >
> > Tony Verhulst wrote:
> >> info@acehcoffee.com wrote:
> >>> .....We are wanting to purchase a ....green coffee roaster....
> >>
> >> What other kind of coffee would you want to roast? :-)
> >>
> >> Tony V.
> >



  
Date: 13 Jan 2007 20:12:27
From: Tony Verhulst
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
info@acehcoffee.com wrote:
> well my dear friend Tony,
>
> I just thought it was not worth the time to respond to your Tuna Kopi.

It probably was not but if you would kindly check the headers you'd see
that it was lavarock1@myhawaiiansite.com that made the Tuna Kopi post,
not me.

Tony


   
Date: 14 Jan 2007 01:32:23
From: Lavarock
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Tony Verhulst wrote:
> info@acehcoffee.com wrote:
>> well my dear friend Tony,
>>
>> I just thought it was not worth the time to respond to your Tuna Kopi.
>
> It probably was not but if you would kindly check the headers you'd see
> that it was lavarock1@myhawaiiansite.com that made the Tuna Kopi post,
> not me.
>
> Tony


Hey, I resent... no wait, I RESEMBLE that rek.

It is fluke that he thought it was you who made the comment. We were
talking about coffee and I floundered when I made that coy comment. If I
was a comedian and getting paid scale, it might not have sounded so fishy.

I reeled you all in, hook, line and sinker!

--

They said that someone has to live in Hawaii ad I raised my hand first!


 
Date: 13 Jan 2007 00:38:16
From:
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Sumatran Arabica....


Tony Verhulst wrote:
> info@acehcoffee.com wrote:
> >.....We are wanting to purchase a ....green coffee roaster....
>
>
> What other kind of coffee would you want to roast? :-)
>
> Tony V.



  
Date: 13 Jan 2007 10:08:55
From: Tony Verhulst
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
I apologize. It was a joke. I knew that English was not your native
language (it's not mine either) and should have recognized that you
might not recognize it as a joke. Wanting to buy a green coffee roaster
is like wanting to buy a hot water heater. Why would you want to heat
hot water?

TonyV

info@acehcoffee.com wrote:
> Sumatran Arabica....
>
> Tony Verhulst wrote:
>> info@acehcoffee.com wrote:
>>> .....We are wanting to purchase a ....green coffee roaster....
>>
>> What other kind of coffee would you want to roast? :-)
>>
>> Tony V.
>


   
Date: 16 Jan 2007 07:56:09
From: Bill Barner
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-

"Tony Verhulst" <no@thankyou.com > wrote in message
news:xKednbSFKf2LazXYnZ2dnUVZ_v2nnZ2d@comcast.com...
> I apologize. It was a joke. I knew that English was not your native
> language (it's not mine either) and should have recognized that you
> might not recognize it as a joke. Wanting to buy a green coffee roaster
> is like wanting to buy a hot water heater. Why would you want to heat
> hot water?
>
> TonyV
>

"Green coffee roaster" is not like "hot water heater".




   
Date: 14 Jan 2007 09:14:09
From: WdH
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:08:55 -0500, Tony Verhulst <no@thankyou.com >
wrote:

>Wanting to buy a green coffee roaster
>is like wanting to buy a hot water heater.

So what's wrong with roasting green coffee? And how does it compare to
heating hot water?


--
WdH


   
Date: 13 Jan 2007 22:36:47
From: Barry Jarrett
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:08:55 -0500, Tony Verhulst <no@thankyou.com >
wrote:

>is like wanting to buy a hot water heater. Why would you want to heat
>hot water?


make it hotter?




 
Date: 13 Jan 2007 00:35:51
From:
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
thanks for the direction!


shall wrote:
> On 12 Jan 2007 17:19:18 -0800, info@acehcoffee.com wrote:
>
> >Attention: Expert Coffee Roasters. We are wanting to purchase a coupls
> >of quality green coffee roaster that has ALL the bells and whistles. We
> >are a new co-operative in Sumatra and need to cup all our farmers
> >coffee before purchase. We cannot justify to purchase an industrail
> >type at this stage of our new operation. Looking for a unit that has
> >all the settings and is a level above the Bravi [ which only roasts to
> >french roast ]. We have to be able to profile roasting to all
> >international needs. Thanks For your help!!
>
> Your needs may require a small commercial shop roaster. Used ones
> should be available at substantial discounts. I suggest you register
> at the Roaster's Guild Forum and post your question there. I am sure
> there will be knowledgeable members of the Guild who are eager to help
> the Gayo farmers. Web site here: http://www.roastersguild.org/forums/
> .
>
> shall



 
Date: 13 Jan 2007 07:51:28
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
On 12 Jan 2007 17:19:18 -0800, info@acehcoffee.com wrote:

>Attention: Expert Coffee Roasters. We are wanting to purchase a coupls
>of quality green coffee roaster that has ALL the bells and whistles. We
>are a new co-operative in Sumatra and need to cup all our farmers
>coffee before purchase. We cannot justify to purchase an industrail
>type at this stage of our new operation. Looking for a unit that has
>all the settings and is a level above the Bravi [ which only roasts to
>french roast ]. We have to be able to profile roasting to all
>international needs. Thanks For your help!!

Your needs may require a small commercial shop roaster. Used ones
should be available at substantial discounts. I suggest you register
at the Roaster's Guild Forum and post your question there. I am sure
there will be knowledgeable members of the Guild who are eager to help
the Gayo farmers. Web site here: http://www.roastersguild.org/forums/
.

shall


 
Date: 12 Jan 2007 22:49:19
From: Tony Verhulst
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
info@acehcoffee.com wrote:
>.....We are wanting to purchase a ....green coffee roaster....


What other kind of coffee would you want to roast? :-)

Tony V.



  
Date: 13 Jan 2007 04:12:59
From: Lavarock
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
Tony Verhulst wrote:
> info@acehcoffee.com wrote:
>> .....We are wanting to purchase a ....green coffee roaster....
>
>
> What other kind of coffee would you want to roast? :-)
>
> Tony V.
>

Perhaps Tuna coffee..... :)

--

They said that someone has to live in Hawaii ad I raised my hand first!


   
Date: 13 Jan 2007 07:57:26
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Quality Green Coffee Roaster-
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:12:59 GMT, Lavarock
<lavarock1@myhawaiiansite.com > wrote:

>Tony Verhulst wrote:
>> info@acehcoffee.com wrote:
>>> .....We are wanting to purchase a ....green coffee roaster....
>>
>>
>> What other kind of coffee would you want to roast? :-)
>>
>> Tony V.
>>
>
>Perhaps Tuna coffee..... :)

The Christmas spirit didn't last very long around here.

shall