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Date: 26 Oct 2006 23:25:09
From: sig iine
Subject: Rancilio Sylvia and Pods
Hi
The newer sylvia features pod adapter. All informations found on forums
seems to indicate that it's not so easy to use pregrounnd coffee on this
coffe maker.
So the question is: what kind of pods (if any) will lead to good results
with the Miss !
Thanks






 
Date: 28 Oct 2006 10:02:14
From: jason
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia
My 2 cents. My company sells both freshly roasted coffee and
individually packaged pods (and does so separately) using really good
coffee. And while the pods we produce are some of the best pods out
there - they are still pods. If you want a vanilla late and have 4
minutes to get out of the house then pods are fine. If you drink your
espresso like a fine bottle of wine then you'll cringe at the use of
pods. We have both in my house and use pods maybe 5 times a month. I
can see getting a quality machine like you mentioned and having the
option of using pods. But once you begin using freshly ground coffee
it will be hard to use pods ever again.

jason



bk wrote:
> daveb wrote:
> > finisky? finiky?
> >
> > is that based on your own experience, bk? I differ with you on that.
> >
> > dave
> > 137
> Finicky is what I meant. From what i've seen of them the difference in
> the grind from a good shot to bad shot on it is very small. (why else
> would a rocky be considered a bare minimum grinder on this list)
> Perhaps it seems finicky because its capable of making a much better
> shot then a lower end machine and its more noticable. Maybe its my
> expectations are higher for its shots and pay more attention to getting
> it just right, whereas on a lessor machine whatever comes out is good
> enough, just get close to the right grind and drink it.
>
> But pods suck no matter what, sure you might get a drinkable shot the
> day you open the container, but they go stale fast.
>
> -bradk



  
Date: 28 Oct 2006 19:39:10
From: sig iine
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia
Thanks




 
Date: 28 Oct 2006 01:52:36
From: sig iine
Subject: Re: Rancilio Sylvia and Pods
Hi
First thank you all for your advices.
I know that the Rancilio diserves fresh coffee and a good grinder.
So how can we explain that new Sylvias are equipped with pod filter?
Isn't it risky for the brand to allow customers to use pods with the
"maserati" ?




  
Date: 27 Oct 2006 18:18:59
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Rancilio Sylvia and Pods
"sig iine" <sigmunth_nospam@compaqnet.fr > wrote:

>Hi
>First thank you all for your advices.
>I know that the Rancilio diserves fresh coffee and a good grinder.
>So how can we explain that new Sylvias are equipped with pod filter?
>Isn't it risky for the brand to allow customers to use pods with the
>"maserati" ?
>
Not at all. The explanation is that most people (in the US, anyway)
are accustomed to drinking bad coffee on a regular basis. The Silvia
with reasonably good and fresh pods is probably still capable of
making better coffee than they have been drinking. And much like the
automobile analogy, a 1990 Volvo would feel like a sports car if you
have been driving a 1961 VW beetle for the past decade.

Can you make better coffee than a pod is capable of producing? Yes.
Can you get worse coffee than a cup from a pod? Certainly.
Everything is relative....


Randy "In some places, everyONE is relative" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




   
Date: 28 Oct 2006 16:04:31
From: Bill (Adopt)
Subject: Re: Rancilio Sylvia and Pods
In article <bpb5k2tv4ar175j8l9e3f95b1pqckiupfk@4ax.com >,
Randy G. <frcn@DESPAMMOcncnet.com > wrote:
> "sig iine" <sigmunth_nospam@compaqnet.fr> wrote:

[..]
> Can you make better coffee than a pod is capable of producing? Yes.
> Can you get worse coffee than a cup from a pod? Certainly.
> Everything is relative....

.and then there was the plaintive bleat, a few months ago
from a contributor following a discussion on the evils of
stale pre-ground coffee, superket bricks, et al...

"..but I /like/ stale coffee..."

;))

Bill ZFC

--
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Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/


 
Date: 27 Oct 2006 14:25:21
From: bk
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia

daveb wrote:
> finisky? finiky?
>
> is that based on your own experience, bk? I differ with you on that.
>
> dave
> 137
Finicky is what I meant. From what i've seen of them the difference in
the grind from a good shot to bad shot on it is very small. (why else
would a rocky be considered a bare minimum grinder on this list)
Perhaps it seems finicky because its capable of making a much better
shot then a lower end machine and its more noticable. Maybe its my
expectations are higher for its shots and pay more attention to getting
it just right, whereas on a lessor machine whatever comes out is good
enough, just get close to the right grind and drink it.

But pods suck no matter what, sure you might get a drinkable shot the
day you open the container, but they go stale fast.

-bradk



 
Date: 27 Oct 2006 18:47:41
From: Marshall
Subject: Re: Rancilio Sylvia and Pods
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:25:09 +0200, "sig iine"
<sigmunth_nospam@compaqnet.fr > wrote:

>Hi
>The newer sylvia features pod adapter. All informations found on forums
>seems to indicate that it's not so easy to use pregrounnd coffee on this
>coffe maker.
>So the question is: what kind of pods (if any) will lead to good results
>with the Miss !
>Thanks

Take the comments here with a grain of salt. Most posters are
Americans, and our choices here are not very good.

The only good espresso I ever had from pods was at the NY Fancy Food
Show two years ago. The roaster was the Italian company, Palombini,
which, in the U.S., mainly caters to the upscale restaurant trade.
They have a broad selection of roasts and blends (15 when I sampled
them), some of which are available to U.S. consumers through
Capriflavors, found here:
http://www.capriflavors.com/coffee_gourmet.php .

I particularly liked the "Classico" and "Arabica" espresso blends. The
Santo Domingo and Haiti were good as single origins. I thought the
India and Giamaca were rather flat.

Since you are posting from a French ISP, you probably have access to a
wider range than we do in the U.S.

shall


 
Date: 27 Oct 2006 09:20:50
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Rancilio Silvia
finisky? finiky?

is that based on your own experience, bk? I differ with you on that.

dave
137



 
Date: 27 Oct 2006 08:32:37
From: Randy G.
Subject: Re: Rancilio Sylvia and Pods
"sig iine" <sigmunth_nospam@compaqnet.fr > wrote:

>The newer sylvia features pod adapter. All informations found on forums
>seems to indicate that it's not so easy to use pregrounnd coffee on this
>coffe maker.
>
Espresso is made from coffee and water. The quality of what is
produced is directly a result of these two components. Water is
generally tasteless so what ends up in the cup is most affected by
the quality of the coffee.

When it comes to espresso, the most critical component is fresh.
Fresh mediocre coffee is superior to stale coffee of the highest
quality. Green coffee can last for a year or more. Roasted coffee is
good for about ten days. Ground coffee is good for maybe 15 to 30
minutes.

The problem with pods is that their age and quality varies.*1 I have
had Senseo pods that were drinkable and tasted fresh and others that
went into the trash based on the aroma of what was in the box.

>So the question is: what kind of pods (if any) will lead to good results
>
Define "good results." If that means that when you sip the coffee you
don't want to spit it on the floor, hen you might find some "good"
pods. If you have ever tasted some really good espresso, then no pod
will match that. If you are going to make milk-based drinks and add
chocolate, hazelnut syrup, sugar and the like, then pods will probably
be OK and make you feel like you are making good espresso. If you want
to enjoy straight espresso then pods will probably be a
disappointment.

Finally, beyond trading taste for convenience, pods tend to be more
expensive per cup as well.

Everything is relative- if you are accustomed to bad coffee, then pods
might be a step up.

*1 there are some exceptions to this, such as individually wrapped
pods, each in an air-tight wrapping, but they still do not match the
flavor of freshly roasted and ground coffee of high quality.


Randy "buy canned espresso" G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com




 
Date: 27 Oct 2006 08:32:34
From: bk
Subject: Re: Rancilio Sylvia and Pods

sig iine wrote:
> Hi
> The newer sylvia features pod adapter. All informations found on forums
> seems to indicate that it's not so easy to use pregrounnd coffee on this
> coffe maker.
> So the question is: what kind of pods (if any) will lead to good results
> with the Miss !
> Thanks

Pods and preground are both unusable in your machine. You have a very
finisky esspresso machine that needs a highend grinder to produce good
espresso. You will not get drinkable espresso from pods or preground.
If you inist on using pods buy a cheap $100 espresso maker. You should
be buying fresh roasted beans and a higher end grinder(at least a
rocky)

-bradk



 
Date: 27 Oct 2006 08:31:24
From: PhilB
Subject: Re: Rancilio Sylvia and Pods
On Oct 26, 10:25 pm, "sig iine" <sigmunth_nos...@compaqnet.fr > wrote:
> Hi
> The newer sylvia features pod adapter. All informations found on forums
> seems to indicate that it's not so easy to use pregrounnd coffee on this
> coffe maker.
> So the question is: what kind of pods (if any) will lead to good results
> with the Miss !
> Thanks

I think you've come to the wrong place to ask this question! To try to
answer it though...

Firstly you need to find the right type of Pod. Probably the ones
called 'ESE', like the ones that Illy do, but check (manufacturer's
website doesn't seem to say - are they ashamed? :-) ) Then, try a few
to see what YOU like.

However, I think you're reading the forum info the wrong way round.
Using ground coffee isn't really hard - put beans in grinder, press
button to grind coffee, put coffee in filter, attach to machine, press
button to make coffee, drink coffee*, remove filter*, clean filter*,
done (* - your order may vary). Of course, getting it right can be a
life's mission (at least, it is round here), but it's not really hard
to *do*. Relative to that of course, pods are "easier" (pod in filter,
make coffee, pod in bin).

I'm currently out to buy a new machine, and I went into a shop recently
where they were doing demos, using the pods. The results were far
better than the strong, bitter stuff I used to get from my old steam
machine (as it is too hot to make espresso), but was 'flat', or lacking
in real depth. Putting the little extra effort in to use fresh ground
(don't use coffee bought preground) really is worth it.

Phil



 
Date: 27 Oct 2006 09:46:18
From: Harry Moos
Subject: Re: Rancilio Sylvia and Pods
No pods will give you "good" results.

"sig iine" <sigmunth_nospam@compaqnet.fr > wrote in message
news:454127bd$0$27475$426a34cc@news.free.fr...
> Hi
> The newer sylvia features pod adapter. All informations found on forums
> seems to indicate that it's not so easy to use pregrounnd coffee on this
> coffe maker.
> So the question is: what kind of pods (if any) will lead to good results
> with the Miss !
> Thanks
>




 
Date: 27 Oct 2006 05:13:48
From: Omniryx@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Rancilio Sylvia and Pods
My original opening line for this reply was, "Why would you buy a
Maserati and then only use it to drive to the superket?" But then I
realized how many people would take delight in telling me emphatically
that Silvia is NOT a Maserati. And, of course, she is not.

She is, however, a machine designed to make serious coffee, albeit an
entry-level one. And most of us here would probably agree that
"serious coffee" and "pod" don't belong in the same sentence.

If you want the convenience of pods and don't mind taking the quality
hit, you can get a machine that will do the job just fine and be a lot
easier to use than ole Silvie. Nespresso is probably the best of a bad
lot.

But why not forego the pods and focus on making the best coffee of
which Silvia is capable? Get a good grinder, good beans, and get busy.

Good luck!


sig iine wrote:
> Hi
> The newer sylvia features pod adapter. All informations found on forums
> seems to indicate that it's not so easy to use pregrounnd coffee on this
> coffe maker.
> So the question is: what kind of pods (if any) will lead to good results
> with the Miss !
> Thanks



 
Date: 26 Oct 2006 19:43:22
From: phreaddy
Subject: Re: Rancilio Sylvia and Pods
None. Stick to freshly roasted, freshly ground.

sig iine wrote:

> So the question is: what kind of pods (if any) will lead to good results
> with the Miss !
> Thanks