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Date: 23 May 2007 10:45:40
From: Boston Coffee Party
Subject: Re: Silvia with PID or other comparably priced machine?
Thank you for your very honest and frank opinions (especially when
they did not suit your business). Given the discussion about the
reason why "R "steamin'" TF" and Jim switched from and stayed with a
single boiler machine I think I am inclined to go with the single
boiler model. I do not make many drinks at once and I feel as if I
should buy a machine that works vell well for 90% of the demand
(morning cappuccino or latte) not solve all of lifes problems with a
more expensive and difficult to maintain machine that would only be
"required" 10% of the time.

BCP

On May 23, 10:39 am, Moka Java <rtwatc...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I upgraded from a PID'd Silvia to a HX machine. I prefer cappuccinos in
> the morning and straight espresso later in the day. I entertain often
> and most guests prefer milky drinks to straight espresso. The PID'd
> Silvia will make great straight espresso all day but it's really tough
> to make a few cappuccinos. I gave up some control and quality in
> straight espresso in exchange for constant steam but the trade off was
> worth it for me.





 
Date: 25 May 2007 07:09:58
From: Boston Coffee Party
Subject: Re: Silvia with PID or other comparably priced machine?
I actually had very similar thoughts about shipping my old machine to
someone to professionally clean and repair, but first I took it apart
and the boiler is so small that doing so would not be worth the money
and time spent.

I also have been thinking that people who have been recommending a HX
model may be on to something long term. I wonder if there is any good
data as to the longevity of a single boiler model as compared to a HX
or dual boiler model. Obviously this is like comparing apples to
oranges but my thinking is that if the boiler is not stressed by the
cooling and heating cycles required for milk drinks in a HX or double
boiler machine. If this is the case then a better long term
investment if the normal drink was a milk drink would be to buy and
properly maintain a HX or double boiler machine VS a single boiler
which has to heat and cool much more frequently. Obviously one needs
to weigh cost upfront vs cost over the lifetime.

Clearly my mind is not made up and this thread has been helpful so
thank you for all your opinions.



 
Date: 24 May 2007 08:15:29
From: Boston Coffee Party
Subject: Re: Silvia with PID or other comparably priced machine?
My old equipment is an old elespresso that was gifted to me that is
finally giving up the fight. I have religiously descaled it, cleaned
the group head and made sure there were no obvious blockages in the
steam wand. Everything seems to work well enough when I purge the
water out of the line, but after that initial blast of pressure it all
dies off.

The question in my mind (and perhaps I am off base) is does the cost
difference between a HX machine and a single boiler really gain me
that much for the single cappa in the AM? My working theory was no
since I have no need to reduce the temp in order to pull a second
drink 90% of the time. If I am way off base definitely let me know.

As per the Bezzera I agree it is a steal of a deal, but apparently one
needs to use soft water as descaling is not recommended and I do not
have the ability to plumb a large water container to easily maintain
soft water (IE 5gal jugs) so currently I use a charcoal filter and
descaling agent to maintain the longevity of my lines and boiler.


On May 24, 5:14 am, r...@math.hawaii.NOSPAM.edu (D. Ross) wrote:
>


  
Date: 24 May 2007 23:34:53
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Silvia with PID or other comparably priced machine?
Boston Coffee Party <BostonCoffeeParty@gmail.com > wrote:



  
Date: 24 May 2007 17:15:41
From: Robert Harmon
Subject: Re: Silvia with PID or other comparably priced machine?
Looks like you've thought this out & I can see no flaws in your thinking. If
you're positive that you'll never need the capabilities of a HX then a
single boiler is a good fit. A PID will give more control over the brew temp
for that shot, letting you play with different temps.

The steaming capabilities of almost any consumer brand of espresso machine
would meet your needs for one cappa.

As far as particular machines, I prefer the Gaggia to the Silvia simply
because they're cheaper & make just as good a shot. You'll be happy with
either one. Both should be fed only softened water - carbon filtered doesn't
remove minerals that'll clog any machine's plumbing. WLL & other retailers
sell small water softeners that fit in the reservoirs.
--
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"Boston Coffee Party" <BostonCoffeeParty@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1180019729.856715.187590@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> The question in my mind (and perhaps I am off base) is does the cost
> difference between a HX machine and a single boiler really gain me
> that much for the single cappa in the AM? My working theory was no
> since I have no need to reduce the temp in order to pull a second
> drink 90% of the time. If I am way off base definitely let me know.
>



   
Date: 24 May 2007 10:45:06
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Silvia with PID or other comparably priced machine?
On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:15:41 GMT, "Robert Harmon"
<r_h_harmon@Zhotmail.com > wrote:

>Both should be fed only softened water - carbon filtered doesn't
>remove minerals that'll clog any machine's plumbing. WLL & other retailers
>sell small water softeners that fit in the reservoirs.

WLL tells Expobar owners to remove them.

As long as you descale at an interval commensurate with water
hardness, there is no need to feed softened water.

Use of a good bottled water, like Crystal Geyser per Jim Schulman,
pays dividends of less frequent descaling.

I ran a Solis SL-90 for many years on Arrowhead Mountain Spring which
varies from reasonably soft to quite hard with no ill effects,
descaling quarterly.


 
Date: 24 May 2007 09:14:08
From: D. Ross
Subject: Re: Silvia with PID or other comparably priced machine?