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Date: 15 Mar 2007 08:41:30
From: CrotonMark
Subject: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
I see that activity on this group is way down from what it used to be.
However, I still hope that enough alties are left to help me with a
purchasing decision.
I am trying to find an electric drip machine to replace my manual
Melitta pourover.
I like the Saeco Venus being sold at Starbucks but would like any and
all opinions.
I have googled this machine and found nothing.

It is on sale at $130.

TIA

k





 
Date: 17 Mar 2007 12:49:02
From: CrotonMark
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
Is there a moderated coffee forum anywhere?
Do you mean coffeegeek?

On 17, 2:01 pm, Steve Ackman <s...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com >
wrote:
> In <1174097362.478578.141...@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, on 16
> 2007 19:09:22 -0700, Crotonk wrote:
>
> > So is there a downside to this machine?
>
> As far as I'm concerned, the biggest downside is
> that I can't brew a full pot of something I roasted
> yesterday without a mess to clean up. If you don't
> roast your own, you most likely won't even notice
> this as a downside.
>
> > Someone on Amazon complains it is noisy when the boiler cycles on...
>
> Pretty much all boilers make noise when they cycle
> on. The Momentum makes more noise than the Bunn, no
> doubt about it. You'll certainly notice it if you're
> in the same room... but if I'm watching TV and the
> furnace comes on, for instance, I have to give the
> volume a couple of clicks. When the Momentum boiler
> comes on in the next room, I don't even notice.
> "Noisy" is relative.
>
> > Why is this group so quiet these day?
>
> Some people have migrated away to moderated web
> forums where they can get away from spammers. Others
> have just left their interest in coffee behind. As
> the spam volume increased, some changed from active
> participants to lurkers, and yet others put some of the
> most prolific posters in killfiles... so don't reply as
> often as they otherwise might. Traffic rises and falls.
> That's just the way of usenet.




 
Date: 17 Mar 2007 11:39:52
From: CrotonMark
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
Actually I wasn't going on about it - I just thought it wasn't being
commented on
I look at this group thru Google Groups and see only a few posters a
day and not many of the old timers.
If I was wrong - sorry

No one commented on how this Melitta compares to the Technivorm
Any comments?





On 17, 9:56 am, Danny <d...@nospam.gaggia-espresso.com > wrote:
> Crotonk wrote:
> > So is there a downside to this machine?
> > Someone on Amazon complains it is noisy when the boiler cycles on...
>
> > Why is this group so quiet these day?
>
> -snip-
>
> You go on about how quiet the group is, but traffic is still quite high:
>
> <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.coffee/about>
>
> Not as good as the halcyon days of past, granted
>
> Most conversation concerns espresso these days, so you won't always
> get a flood of answers if your interest is elsewhere.
>
> As Dave noted, since he is by far the most prolific poster (and that's
> just the one alias), and the majority of his posts are advertising,
> people tend not to reply.
>
> --
> Regards, Danny
>
> http://www.gaggia-espresso.com(a purely hobby site)




 
Date: 17 Mar 2007 07:15:37
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
and the majority of his posts are advertising,


please do a recount. 'danny'

you may find your numbers are off. way off.

dave

www.hitechespresso.com
877 286 2833



 
Date: 16 Mar 2007 19:09:22
From: CrotonMark
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
So is there a downside to this machine?
Someone on Amazon complains it is noisy when the boiler cycles on...

Why is this group so quiet these day?

And Steve - thanks for all your words


On 16, 8:26 pm, Steve Ackman <s...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com >
wrote:
> In <1174066071.073422.156...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, on 16 2007
>
> 10:27:51 -0700, Crotonk wrote:
> > how many table spoons of coffee does it take?



>
> > for 50 oz can it take 16 tablespoons?
>
> It can hold 80 grams for a 50 oz pot, the SCAA
> standard brew strength (or close enough)...
>
> Yeah, 80 grams of a Full City roasted bean give a
> volume of almost exactly a cup, so I guess that's 16
> TBSP.
>
> Very freshly roasted beans will bloom over when
> brewing a full pot though, so I suppose whether it
> can "take" 16 tablespoons depends on how fresh your
> coffee is.




  
Date: 17 Mar 2007 14:01:12
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
In <1174097362.478578.141290@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com >, on 16
2007 19:09:22 -0700, Crotonk wrote:
> So is there a downside to this machine?

As far as I'm concerned, the biggest downside is
that I can't brew a full pot of something I roasted
yesterday without a mess to clean up. If you don't
roast your own, you most likely won't even notice
this as a downside.

> Someone on Amazon complains it is noisy when the boiler cycles on...

Pretty much all boilers make noise when they cycle
on. The Momentum makes more noise than the Bunn, no
doubt about it. You'll certainly notice it if you're
in the same room... but if I'm watching TV and the
furnace comes on, for instance, I have to give the
volume a couple of clicks. When the Momentum boiler
comes on in the next room, I don't even notice.
"Noisy" is relative.

> Why is this group so quiet these day?

Some people have migrated away to moderated web
forums where they can get away from spammers. Others
have just left their interest in coffee behind. As
the spam volume increased, some changed from active
participants to lurkers, and yet others put some of the
most prolific posters in killfiles... so don't reply as
often as they otherwise might. Traffic rises and falls.
That's just the way of usenet.



  
Date: 17 Mar 2007 13:56:16
From: Danny
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
Crotonk wrote:
> So is there a downside to this machine?
> Someone on Amazon complains it is noisy when the boiler cycles on...
>
> Why is this group so quiet these day?
>
-snip-

You go on about how quiet the group is, but traffic is still quite high:

<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.coffee/about >

Not as good as the halcyon days of past, granted

Most conversation concerns espresso these days, so you won't always
get a flood of answers if your interest is elsewhere.

As Dave noted, since he is by far the most prolific poster (and that's
just the one alias), and the majority of his posts are advertising,
people tend not to reply.




--
Regards, Danny

http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)



 
Date: 16 Mar 2007 12:20:42
From:
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
I purchased a Newco plus 2 extra 40 oz carafes. Very pleased.
You can read about it in this thread:
http://www.greencoffeebuyingclub.com/index.php?topic=1298.new;topicseen#new
tin


On 15, 8:41 am, "Crotonk" <CrotonM...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I see that activity on this group is way down from what it used to be.
> However, I still hope that enough alties are left to help me with a
> purchasing decision.
> I am trying to find an electric drip machine to replace my manual
> Melitta pourover.
> I like the Saeco Venus being sold at Starbucks but would like any and
> all opinions.
> I have googled this machine and found nothing.
>
> It is on sale at $130.
>
> TIA
>
> k




 
Date: 16 Mar 2007 10:27:51
From: CrotonMark
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
how many table spoons of coffee does it take?

for 50 oz can it take 16 tablespoons?

On 16, 10:50 am, Steve Ackman <s...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com >
wrote:
> In <1174036930.508801.89...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, on 16 2007
>
> 02:22:10 -0700, Crotonk wrote:
> > How is the coffee compared to the technivorm or the Saeco?
>
> I'm not familiar with either of those except for
> what I've read here.
>
> The brewers we own at present are Bunn A10 series,
> Melitta Clarity with the hot plate disabled, and the
> Melitta Momentum. All brew at temperatures and
> extraction times that fall within the "golden"
> 3 to 5 minute extraction time and 195=B0-205=B0F
> temperature range... hmmm... come to think of it, the
> Clarity may be a bit hotter than 205=B0.
>
> Beyond that, the Momentum's 5 hole showerhead gives
> good even saturation of the grounds. You can use
> paper or gold screen filter as you prefer. Other than
> that, it's pretty much all up to the beans and grinder.




  
Date: 16 Mar 2007 20:26:33
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
In <1174066071.073422.156690@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com >, on 16 2007
10:27:51 -0700, Crotonk wrote:
> how many table spoons of coffee does it take?
>
> for 50 oz can it take 16 tablespoons?

It can hold 80 grams for a 50 oz pot, the SCAA
standard brew strength (or close enough)...

Yeah, 80 grams of a Full City roasted bean give a
volume of almost exactly a cup, so I guess that's 16
TBSP.

Very freshly roasted beans will bloom over when
brewing a full pot though, so I suppose whether it
can "take" 16 tablespoons depends on how fresh your
coffee is.


 
Date: 16 Mar 2007 02:22:10
From: CrotonMark
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
How is the coffee compared to the technivorm or the Saeco?



On 15, 4:45 pm, Steve Ackman <s...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com >
wrote:
> In <1173973290.431311.93...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, on 15 2007
>
> 08:41:30 -0700, Crotonk wrote:
> > I am trying to find an electric drip machine to replace my manual
> > Melitta pourover.
>
> Message-ID: <slrnek55vo.i05.steve@wizard.dyndns.org>
> From: Steve Ackman <s...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.coffee
> Subject: Re: Melitta Momentum $40 10/20 only
> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:35:58 -0400
> References: <B4mdneRdurjOeaXYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>
> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (FreeBSD)
>
> In <B4mdneRdurjOeaXYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dn...@comcast.com>, on Fri, 20 Oct 2006
> 10:59:30 -0400, Jack Denver wrote:
>
> >www.woot.comhas the Melitta Momentum storage tank (Bunn style) drip brew=
er
> > today only for $39.99 plus $5 shipping.
>
> > Claims "10 cups in less than 4 minutes". This is a low price for a tank
> > type brewer and the styling is better than some others. Naturally it u=
ses
> > Melitta cone style filters. FYI only - I have no experience with this
> > device.
>
> We bit. Something to do with it looking better than
> the Bunn or some such nonsense. It got here today.
>
> The brew temp is good; 200.8=B0F out of the showerhead
> when temp surfed for max (compare to 202=B0F for our
> Bunn A-10). I don't know yet what the minimum temp is.
>
> Without any coffee in place, it takes 3:17 to push
> 50 oz. of water through the 110 fl. oz. tank (contrast
> with 72 oz. tank for the Bunn A-10 series). With coffee
> in place, you're looking at roughly a 4 minute brew time,
> however the filter arrangement tends to keep dripping
> for at least 2 minutes beyond that; something we don't
> find with the Bunn.
>
> Power consumption according to the data plate is
> 1075 watts. I'm assuming 1kw for the tank, and 75
> watts for the keep-warm element. With nothing on it,
> the warming plate varies from about 220=B0F in the
> center to about 280=B0F a bit in from the edge. Like
> the Bunn, the Momentum has a switch to turn this off
> (unlike the Melitta Clarity which I disconnected
> permanently).
>
> Cycle time (start of cold water in until heating
> element goes off) is 7:45; roughly same as the Bunn.
> If you had a lot of guests, this could keep the
> coffee flowing at a rate of 3 gallons per hour
> (77 cups - that's 5 oz. cups).
>
> One other feature is a valve that allows you to
> pour the water in the upper resevoir, and allow it
> to stay there until you're ready to brew. There's
> no need for a separate filling pitcher as with the
> Bunn pourovers. About the only use I can even
> imagine for this is the ability to fill the upper
> resevoir the night before, leaving one less bleary
> eyed step for the morning.
>
> One thing NOBODY seems to get right is leaving
> enough headspace for freshly roasted coffee. My first
> pot was a 4 day old blend of Colombian and Rwandan...
> and it still bloomed enough to get foam and grounds up
> over the edge of the inner filter holder, and even up
> onto the shower head. (This same blend didn't bloom
> over the Bunn filter this morning.)
>
> The coffee tastes slightly different to me, but
> maybe it's just the way the cone filter differs from
> the flat bottom... or maybe the Melitta filters trap
> more "good stuff" than the generic filters we use in
> the Bunn.
>
> The box says you can brew as few as 6 cups (30 oz.)
> with this coffee maker... not that I'd ever try it,
> but maybe it's a selling point for some. ;-)
>
> Anyway, for $40, the Melitta Momentum meets quite a
> few of the parameters that define a "good" coffee
> maker... and apparently it looks good too. ;-)
>
> Message-ID: <slrnel6lbk.2l37.st...@wizard.dyndns.org>
> From: Steve Ackman <s...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.coffee
> Subject: Re: Melitta Momentum $40 10/20 only
> Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:46 -0500
> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (FreeBSD)
>
> In <slrnek55vo.i05.st...@wizard.dyndns.org>, on Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:35:58
>
> -0400, I wrote:
> > One other feature is a valve that allows you to
> > pour the water in the upper resevoir, and allow it
> > to stay there until you're ready to brew. There's
> > no need for a separate filling pitcher as with the
> > Bunn pourovers. About the only use I can even
> > imagine for this is the ability to fill the upper
> > resevoir the night before, leaving one less bleary
> > eyed step for the morning.
>
> Correction: When brewing less than a full pot, you
> can allow a cup or two of water to flow through and
> thoroughly wet the grounds, stop the flow for a bit,
> then reopen the valve, allowing for proper extraction
> time.
>
> Contrary to the directions accompanying the brewer
> which give a pot size range of 6 to 10 cups,
> interrupting the flow like that allows for a pot size
> as small as 3-4 cups (15-20oz.)... not to mention,
> allowing for longer than the normal extraction time
> of 4 minutes for a full pot should you desire.




  
Date: 16 Mar 2007 10:50:16
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
In <1174036930.508801.89940@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >, on 16 2007
02:22:10 -0700, Crotonk wrote:
> How is the coffee compared to the technivorm or the Saeco?

I'm not familiar with either of those except for
what I've read here.

The brewers we own at present are Bunn A10 series,
Melitta Clarity with the hot plate disabled, and the
Melitta Momentum. All brew at temperatures and
extraction times that fall within the "golden"
3 to 5 minute extraction time and 195-205F
temperature range... hmmm... come to think of it, the
Clarity may be a bit hotter than 205.

Beyond that, the Momentum's 5 hole showerhead gives
good even saturation of the grounds. You can use
paper or gold screen filter as you prefer. Other than
that, it's pretty much all up to the beans and grinder.


 
Date: 15 Mar 2007 16:45:47
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
In <1173973290.431311.93850@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com >, on 15 2007
08:41:30 -0700, Crotonk wrote:

> I am trying to find an electric drip machine to replace my manual
> Melitta pourover.

Message-ID: <slrnek55vo.i05.steve@wizard.dyndns.org >
From: Steve Ackman <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com >
Newsgroups: alt.coffee
Subject: Re: Melitta Momentum $40 10/20 only
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:35:58 -0400
References: <B4mdneRdurjOeaXYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com >
User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (FreeBSD)

In <B4mdneRdurjOeaXYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com >, on Fri, 20 Oct 2006
10:59:30 -0400, Jack Denver wrote:
> www.woot.com has the Melitta Momentum storage tank (Bunn style) drip brewer
> today only for $39.99 plus $5 shipping.
>
> Claims "10 cups in less than 4 minutes". This is a low price for a tank
> type brewer and the styling is better than some others. Naturally it uses
> Melitta cone style filters. FYI only - I have no experience with this
> device.

We bit. Something to do with it looking better than
the Bunn or some such nonsense. It got here today.

The brew temp is good; 200.8F out of the showerhead
when temp surfed for max (compare to 202F for our
Bunn A-10). I don't know yet what the minimum temp is.

Without any coffee in place, it takes 3:17 to push
50 oz. of water through the 110 fl. oz. tank (contrast
with 72 oz. tank for the Bunn A-10 series). With coffee
in place, you're looking at roughly a 4 minute brew time,
however the filter arrangement tends to keep dripping
for at least 2 minutes beyond that; something we don't
find with the Bunn.

Power consumption according to the data plate is
1075 watts. I'm assuming 1kw for the tank, and 75
watts for the keep-warm element. With nothing on it,
the warming plate varies from about 220F in the
center to about 280F a bit in from the edge. Like
the Bunn, the Momentum has a switch to turn this off
(unlike the Melitta Clarity which I disconnected
permanently).

Cycle time (start of cold water in until heating
element goes off) is 7:45; roughly same as the Bunn.
If you had a lot of guests, this could keep the
coffee flowing at a rate of 3 gallons per hour
(77 cups - that's 5 oz. cups).

One other feature is a valve that allows you to
pour the water in the upper resevoir, and allow it
to stay there until you're ready to brew. There's
no need for a separate filling pitcher as with the
Bunn pourovers. About the only use I can even
imagine for this is the ability to fill the upper
resevoir the night before, leaving one less bleary
eyed step for the morning.

One thing NOBODY seems to get right is leaving
enough headspace for freshly roasted coffee. My first
pot was a 4 day old blend of Colombian and Rwandan...
and it still bloomed enough to get foam and grounds up
over the edge of the inner filter holder, and even up
onto the shower head. (This same blend didn't bloom
over the Bunn filter this morning.)

The coffee tastes slightly different to me, but
maybe it's just the way the cone filter differs from
the flat bottom... or maybe the Melitta filters trap
more "good stuff" than the generic filters we use in
the Bunn.

The box says you can brew as few as 6 cups (30 oz.)
with this coffee maker... not that I'd ever try it,
but maybe it's a selling point for some. ;-)

Anyway, for $40, the Melitta Momentum meets quite a
few of the parameters that define a "good" coffee
maker... and apparently it looks good too. ;-)


Message-ID: <slrnel6lbk.2l37.steve@wizard.dyndns.org >
From: Steve Ackman <steve@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com >
Newsgroups: alt.coffee
Subject: Re: Melitta Momentum $40 10/20 only
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:20:46 -0500
User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1 (FreeBSD)

In <slrnek55vo.i05.steve@wizard.dyndns.org >, on Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:35:58
-0400, I wrote:

> One other feature is a valve that allows you to
> pour the water in the upper resevoir, and allow it
> to stay there until you're ready to brew. There's
> no need for a separate filling pitcher as with the
> Bunn pourovers. About the only use I can even
> imagine for this is the ability to fill the upper
> resevoir the night before, leaving one less bleary
> eyed step for the morning.

Correction: When brewing less than a full pot, you
can allow a cup or two of water to flow through and
thoroughly wet the grounds, stop the flow for a bit,
then reopen the valve, allowing for proper extraction
time.

Contrary to the directions accompanying the brewer
which give a pot size range of 6 to 10 cups,
interrupting the flow like that allows for a pot size
as small as 3-4 cups (15-20oz.)... not to mention,
allowing for longer than the normal extraction time
of 4 minutes for a full pot should you desire.


 
Date: 15 Mar 2007 13:25:17
From: CrotonMark
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
My criteria are:

HOT coffee - even if I (gasp) add milk
Basket can hold 2 tablespoons of coffee/6 oz of water

I am trying to see if there is any choice besides the Technivorm


On 15, 3:54 pm, "I- >Ian" <some...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 15 2007 11:00:20 -0700, "Crotonk" <CrotonM...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >How hot is the coffee?
>
> the nozzle, in the grounds and in the carafe.
> ~205, ~200 and ~180




 
Date: 15 Mar 2007 14:53:58
From: Steve Ackman
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
In <1173973290.431311.93850@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com >, on 15 2007
08:41:30 -0700, Crotonk wrote:
> I see that activity on this group is way down from what it used to be.
> However, I still hope that enough alties are left to help me with a
> purchasing decision.
> I am trying to find an electric drip machine to replace my manual
> Melitta pourover.
> I like the Saeco Venus being sold at Starbucks but would like any and
> all opinions.
> I have googled this machine and found nothing.
>
> It is on sale at $130.

Depending on your criteria, you may find the Melitta
Momentum to be a good fit. There was a thread about
it a while back, but google can't seem to find it at
the moment. The thread ended with
slrnel6lbk.2l37.steve@wizard.dyndns.org which you are
*supposedly* able to find via the Advanced Groups
Search in the Message-ID section at the bottom.



 
Date: 15 Mar 2007 11:10:04
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
On 15, 2:00 pm, "Crotonk" <CrotonM...@gmail.com > wrote:
> How hot is the coffee?
> Do you know anything about the Saeco?
>

It is the Saeco "renaissance" under another guise.
>
> why is the traffic on this group so light?



I ran them all off, with my bad behavior.

dave
www.hitechespresso.com



 
Date: 15 Mar 2007 11:07:10
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
On 15, 2:00 pm, "Crotonk" <CrotonM...@gmail.com > wrote:
> How hot is the coffee?
> Do you know anything about the Saeco?
>
> why is the traffic on this group so light?

I ran them all off, with my bad behavior.

dave
www.hitechespresso.com



 
Date: 15 Mar 2007 11:05:11
From: daveb
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
On 15, 11:41 am, "Crotonk" <CrotonM...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I see that activity on this group is way down from what it used to be.
> However, I still hope that enough alties are left to help me with a
> purchasing decision.
> I am trying to find an electric drip machine to replace my manual
> Melitta pourover.
> I like the Saeco Venus being sold at Starbucks but would like any and
> all opinions.
> I have googled this machine and found nothing.
>
> It is on sale at $130.
>
> TIA
>
> k

One of the worst drip machines ever made.
I am embarrassed to say we owned one for a short while.

Can't tell how much water is in the pitcher,

can't fill the tank with out splashing everywhere,

bail to lift out the basket interferes with dumping of the spent
grounds and filter -- makes a mess.

those are the highlights, or rather the lowlights

We despised it and dumped it on ebay for $40.00

Dave

Saeco / Gaggia service SE





 
Date: 15 Mar 2007 11:00:20
From: CrotonMark
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
How hot is the coffee?
Do you know anything about the Saeco?

why is the traffic on this group so light?




On 15, 12:50 pm, "I- >Ian" <some...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 15 2007 08:41:30 -0700, "Crotonk" <CrotonM...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I see that activity on this group is way down from what it used to be.
> >However, I still hope that enough alties are left to help me with a
> >purchasing decision.
> >I am trying to find an electric drip machine to replace my manual
> >Melitta pourover.
> >I like the Saeco Venus being sold at Starbucks but would like any and
> >all opinions.
> >I have googled this machine and found nothing.
>
> >It is on sale at $130.
>
> >TIA
>
> >k
>
> Presto Scandinavian.
> Was as low as $20 at Sears.
> Still available at some retailers for $50
> Add a Krups / Braun gold mesh and it makes darned good coffee




  
Date: 15 Mar 2007 12:54:28
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
On 15 2007 11:00:20 -0700, "Crotonk" <Crotonk@gmail.com >
wrote:

>How hot is the coffee?

the nozzle, in the grounds and in the carafe.
~205, ~200 and ~180



 
Date: 15 Mar 2007 09:50:43
From: I->Ian
Subject: Re: Saeco Venus machine - any opinions?
On 15 2007 08:41:30 -0700, "Crotonk" <Crotonk@gmail.com >
wrote:

>I see that activity on this group is way down from what it used to be.
>However, I still hope that enough alties are left to help me with a
>purchasing decision.
>I am trying to find an electric drip machine to replace my manual
>Melitta pourover.
>I like the Saeco Venus being sold at Starbucks but would like any and
>all opinions.
>I have googled this machine and found nothing.
>
>It is on sale at $130.
>
>TIA
>
>k

Presto Scandinavian.
Was as low as $20 at Sears.
Still available at some retailers for $50
Add a Krups / Braun gold mesh and it makes darned good coffee